Why can't we make ending slavery a priority???

[Programmer]

Everyone's down for the cause. It's the how. If you just regulate, you don't actually introduce the money to pay everyone. You're not helping. They'll peel shrimp wherever you can't regulate, obviously.

They don't have to allow imports from unregulated places.

Make it worse in those countries? Trade's what pulls these places out of the dark ages.

That's true.. It doesn't help to stop the shrimp trade with Thailand. Somehow you got to end the corruption that allows this to happen.

I'm all aboard for the trading -- not so much for kissing up to crooks and animals. You have to make it IMPORTANT to the various governments to crack down and not condone these practices.

I'd START with embarrassing them by making this a G20 high priority. If they allow slave trade of any kind -- revoke their UN credentials. Don't really care if it's Thailand or Saudi Arabia or Sudan. Force the UN to take a stand. End it by 2020..

That's a good angle.

The issue is that when you start passing out money, the prostitution-style slavery increases significantly. Even when you get to the point we're at, we still have prison-style slavery, prostitution and paycheck to paycheck slavery.

Part of the reason the cause never gets traction, is because folks on the left (maybe you) bring up WalMart when the talk is about slavery.. Focus a bit. The prison stuff is part of rehabilitation and nobody should be making a profit of their labor. MOST prostitution is not slavery. When it is -- I'm steamed. And paycheck slavery is largely an issue of education and aspiration.

Probably shouldn't get all imperialistic and start whining about the wages of shrimp peelers in Thailand, folks in that article were grabbed as Burmese immigrants and the government needs to free them. And make certain that ALL immigrants are accounted for. Sound familar???

Another case where you never should have completely open borders without SOME type of control on WHAT comes over the border... Because that's largely where slaves come from....

Way back when, Adam Smith questioned whether workhouses with pay and rent from concentrated land owners was any different than the prior lord and peasant feudal slavery arrangement.

I think it's prudent to consider this when looking at the abject chattel slavery in foreign countries, otherwise we're going to go around helping everyone but our own.

When renting an employee hourly is more economically feasible than buying one, your Thai consternation will be gone. It's just 90 billion more shrimps to peel.

 

[flacaltenn]

They don't have to allow imports from unregulated places.

Make it worse in those countries? Trade's what pulls these places out of the dark ages.

That's true.. It doesn't help to stop the shrimp trade with Thailand. Somehow you got to end the corruption that allows this to happen.

I'm all aboard for the trading -- not so much for kissing up to crooks and animals. You have to make it IMPORTANT to the various governments to crack down and not condone these practices.

I'd START with embarrassing them by making this a G20 high priority. If they allow slave trade of any kind -- revoke their UN credentials. Don't really care if it's Thailand or Saudi Arabia or Sudan. Force the UN to take a stand. End it by 2020..

That's a good angle.

The issue is that when you start passing out money, the prostitution-style slavery increases significantly. Even when you get to the point we're at, we still have prison-style slavery, prostitution and paycheck to paycheck slavery.

Part of the reason the cause never gets traction, is because folks on the left (maybe you) bring up WalMart when the talk is about slavery.. Focus a bit. The prison stuff is part of rehabilitation and nobody should be making a profit of their labor. MOST prostitution is not slavery. When it is -- I'm steamed. And paycheck slavery is largely an issue of education and aspiration.

Probably shouldn't get all imperialistic and start whining about the wages of shrimp peelers in Thailand, folks in that article were grabbed as Burmese immigrants and the government needs to free them. And make certain that ALL immigrants are accounted for. Sound familar???

Another case where you never should have completely open borders without SOME type of control on WHAT comes over the border... Because that's largely where slaves come from....

Way back when, Adam Smith questioned whether workhouses with pay and rent from concentrated land owners was any different than the prior lord and peasant feudal slavery arrangement.

I think it's prudent to consider this when looking at the abject chattel slavery in foreign countries, otherwise we're going to go around helping everyone but our own.

When renting an employee hourly is more economically feasible than buying one, your Thai consternation will be gone. It's just 90 billion more shrimps to peel.

Again -- there is little confusion about being chained against your will. And these are other discussions about equitable labor contracts. To me -- it's simple.. Telling a Bangladesh factory owner that they have to pay high wages to their basketball makers and forcing them into our concepts of labor laws is simply ------

ECONOMIC IMPERIALISM.. No international business is in the foreign policy or aid or social justice business. Kids work overseas because their families will starve if they don't. And making a economic dynasty out of well-paid basketball makers is not gonna raise the overall standards of living in those places..

These are important debates.. But keeping people in chains or under duress against their will is NOT debatable. And it should be clear that this is a question of human decency and morality -- not a mere question of economics..

 

[Programmer]

Make it worse in those countries? Trade's what pulls these places out of the dark ages.

That's true.. It doesn't help to stop the shrimp trade with Thailand. Somehow you got to end the corruption that allows this to happen.

I'm all aboard for the trading -- not so much for kissing up to crooks and animals. You have to make it IMPORTANT to the various governments to crack down and not condone these practices.

I'd START with embarrassing them by making this a G20 high priority. If they allow slave trade of any kind -- revoke their UN credentials. Don't really care if it's Thailand or Saudi Arabia or Sudan. Force the UN to take a stand. End it by 2020..

That's a good angle.

The issue is that when you start passing out money, the prostitution-style slavery increases significantly. Even when you get to the point we're at, we still have prison-style slavery, prostitution and paycheck to paycheck slavery.

Part of the reason the cause never gets traction, is because folks on the left (maybe you) bring up WalMart when the talk is about slavery.. Focus a bit. The prison stuff is part of rehabilitation and nobody should be making a profit of their labor. MOST prostitution is not slavery. When it is -- I'm steamed. And paycheck slavery is largely an issue of education and aspiration.

Probably shouldn't get all imperialistic and start whining about the wages of shrimp peelers in Thailand, folks in that article were grabbed as Burmese immigrants and the government needs to free them. And make certain that ALL immigrants are accounted for. Sound familar???

Another case where you never should have completely open borders without SOME type of control on WHAT comes over the border... Because that's largely where slaves come from....

Way back when, Adam Smith questioned whether workhouses with pay and rent from concentrated land owners was any different than the prior lord and peasant feudal slavery arrangement.

I think it's prudent to consider this when looking at the abject chattel slavery in foreign countries, otherwise we're going to go around helping everyone but our own.

When renting an employee hourly is more economically feasible than buying one, your Thai consternation will be gone. It's just 90 billion more shrimps to peel.

Again -- there is little confusion about being chained against your will. And these are other discussions about equitable labor contracts. To me -- it's simple.. Telling a Bangladesh factory owner that they have to pay high wages to their basketball makers and forcing them into our concepts of labor laws is simply ------

ECONOMIC IMPERIALISM.. No international business is in the foreign policy or aid or social justice business. Kids work overseas because their families will starve if they don't. And making a economic dynasty out of well-paid basketball makers is not gonna raise the overall standards of living in those places..

These are important debates.. But keeping people in chains or under duress against their will is NOT debatable. And it should be clear that this is a question of human decency and morality -- not a mere question of economics..

I respect your position about people being kidnapped. I think dynasty and imperialism are used sensationally, however. If you buy billions of dollars in goods, you're fitting your imperialism charge, you may as well include standards like this kidnapping stuff along with it. If you buy billions over time... just through trade... you'd realize that dynasty of improved living standards. That's what's happened in China.

From my own experience and that from others that I've spoken to, standards of labor are not easy to define either as a company or a state. They're not going to give you the slave plantation tour when you place your order, nor will they use the most expensive way to fulfill it. They'll use the slaves or the bootleg parts.

 

[Pete7469]

Make it worse in those countries? Trade's what pulls these places out of the dark ages.

If they're using slave labor, they're in the dark ages.

 

[Weatherman2020]

News from The Associated Press


SAMUT SAKHON, Thailand (AP) -- Every morning at 2 a.m., they heard a kick on the door and a threat: Get up or get beaten. For the next 16 hours, No. 31 and his wife stood in the factory that owned them with their aching hands in ice water. They ripped the guts, heads, tails and shells off shrimp bound for overseas markets, including grocery stores and all-you-can-eat buffets across the United States.

After being sold to the Gig Peeling Factory, they were at the mercy of their Thai bosses, trapped with nearly 100 other Burmese migrants. Children worked alongside them, including a girl so tiny she had to stand on a stool to reach the peeling table. Some had been there for months, even years, getting little or no pay. Always, someone was watching.

No names were ever used, only numbers given by their boss - Tin Nyo Win was No. 31.

Almost every religious and ethnic group has been subjected to slavery at one time or another. And the CURRENT victims are of all races and almost all religions.

I know there are more noisy causes in the public mind -- but THIS ONE needs some noise..

Because the left cannot confront true evil. They pretend climate change and income inequality are the biggest evils facing mankind so they don't have to face the real evils in the world.

And before you Leftards go off on a rant, link to one Obama speech on slavery today.

 

[Programmer]

Make it worse in those countries? Trade's what pulls these places out of the dark ages.

If they're using slave labor, they're in the dark ages.

Isn't that my point?

 

[flacaltenn]

News from The Associated Press


SAMUT SAKHON, Thailand (AP) -- Every morning at 2 a.m., they heard a kick on the door and a threat: Get up or get beaten. For the next 16 hours, No. 31 and his wife stood in the factory that owned them with their aching hands in ice water. They ripped the guts, heads, tails and shells off shrimp bound for overseas markets, including grocery stores and all-you-can-eat buffets across the United States.

After being sold to the Gig Peeling Factory, they were at the mercy of their Thai bosses, trapped with nearly 100 other Burmese migrants. Children worked alongside them, including a girl so tiny she had to stand on a stool to reach the peeling table. Some had been there for months, even years, getting little or no pay. Always, someone was watching.

No names were ever used, only numbers given by their boss - Tin Nyo Win was No. 31.

Almost every religious and ethnic group has been subjected to slavery at one time or another. And the CURRENT victims are of all races and almost all religions.

I know there are more noisy causes in the public mind -- but THIS ONE needs some noise..

Because the left cannot confront true evil. They pretend climate change and income inequality are the biggest evils facing mankind so they don't have to face the real evils in the world.

And before you Leftards go off on a rant, link to one Obama speech on slavery today.

Probably is an Obama speech on slavery. But he did because slavery is caused by Global Warming..

 

[Weatherman2020]

News from The Associated Press


SAMUT SAKHON, Thailand (AP) -- Every morning at 2 a.m., they heard a kick on the door and a threat: Get up or get beaten. For the next 16 hours, No. 31 and his wife stood in the factory that owned them with their aching hands in ice water. They ripped the guts, heads, tails and shells off shrimp bound for overseas markets, including grocery stores and all-you-can-eat buffets across the United States.

After being sold to the Gig Peeling Factory, they were at the mercy of their Thai bosses, trapped with nearly 100 other Burmese migrants. Children worked alongside them, including a girl so tiny she had to stand on a stool to reach the peeling table. Some had been there for months, even years, getting little or no pay. Always, someone was watching.

No names were ever used, only numbers given by their boss - Tin Nyo Win was No. 31.

Almost every religious and ethnic group has been subjected to slavery at one time or another. And the CURRENT victims are of all races and almost all religions.

I know there are more noisy causes in the public mind -- but THIS ONE needs some noise..

Because the left cannot confront true evil. They pretend climate change and income inequality are the biggest evils facing mankind so they don't have to face the real evils in the world.

And before you Leftards go off on a rant, link to one Obama speech on slavery today.

Probably is an Obama speech on slavery. But he did because slavery is caused by Global Warming..

Or how some whitey Founding Fathers had slaves.

 

[Muhammed]

Make it worse in those countries? Trade's what pulls these places out of the dark ages.

If they're using slave labor, they're in the dark ages.

Slavery is rampant in the USA.