Why did Trump lose?

[Ray From Cleveland]

I really did not expect you to attempt to defend your hyper-partisan delusion by honestly answering the WHO? HOW? WHERE? WHEN? and WHY? of it.

Those are all applicable to reality.

You repeat the same shit over and over again, plus brevity is not your strong suit.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Well I admit you guys did a heck of a job courting voters to get them to the polls.

The Loser's excuse for losing the popular vote in 2016 was that 5-7 invisible illegitimate voters all cast bogus ballots against him. None could be found. No evidence could be presented.

After the 2020 election produced the results expected by Americans consistently disapproving of him throughout his four years, he whined that he had won "In a landslide!"

He failed to intimidate Republican officeholders into conjuring up the votes he needed to win.

Republican judges across America threw out his phony challenges as being frivolous.

The excuses keep coming.

The truth is that he lost because 7 million more Americans cast their ballots for his opponent, because those four years had been quite enough for them.

Diehard devotees of the failed casino operator and faded reality-tv performer will just have to stop sniveling and start working on his 2024 nomination if he is ever to have a chance at being impeached a third time.

Hey fat ass. If you can't tell me what you are saying in 3 sentences, you're not saying anything worth reading.

Do you crush beer cans and walnuts on your forehead?

I never read more than a few sentences from these windbags

 

[schmidlap]

You repeat the same shit over and over again, plus brevity is not your strong suit.

Clearly, the entirely reasonable questions concerning your conspiracy - WHO? HOW? WHERE? WHEN? and WHY? - are reality-based, an area where you, quite understandably, fear to tread.
In 40 states, over 300 of the Trump goons who attacked Congress to prevent it certifying his defeat have been identified, arrested, and charged.

How many of what would be the far more numerous perpetrators of your fake election been identified, arrested, and charged? Please name names.

Are every Republican judge and every Republican prosecutor in every jurisdiction where the votes were faked collaborating in your vast fact-free conspiracy as well?

 

[schmidlap]

I never read more than a few sentences from these windbags

You probably shouldn't. Reasonable, pertinent, logical questions only get you in a tizzy.

When I ask appropriate questions such as "Are every Republican judge and every Republican prosecutor in every jurisdiction where the votes were faked collaborating in your vast fact-free conspiracy as well?" I am not surprised at the hysterical avoidance, vitriol, and vituperation that is spouted in lieu of honest answers.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Clearly, the entirely reasonable questions concerning your conspiracy - WHO? HOW? WHERE? WHEN? and WHY? - are reality-based, an area where you, quite understandably, fear to tread.
In 40 states, over 300 of the Trump goons who attacked Congress to prevent it certifying his defeat have been identified, arrested, and charged.

How many of what would be the far more numerous perpetrators of your fake election been identified, arrested, and charged? Please name names.

Are every Republican judge and every Republican prosecutor in every jurisdiction where the votes were faked collaborating in your vast fact-free conspiracy as well?

WTF are you even talking about Shiplap? I wasn't even discussing the election. I was talking with somebody else about their claim Trump dismantled the Covid pandemic team in China.

 

[playtime]

When Trump covered for China’s alleged coronavirus coverup

The Wall Street Journal reports that Trump was advised twice in January to press China to be more transparent about the outbreak in Wuhan. But Trump ignored the advice:

Early this year, several of Mr. Trump’s political advisers inside and outside the campaign urged him to take on China more directly, which they argued would have bipartisan appeal. One idea they suggested was a special commission to investigate the origins of the virus and whether Beijing responded sufficiently to control the outbreak.
Mr. Trump twice declined suggestions from his team in January to press [Chinese President] Xi [Jinping] for more transparency about the virus’s causes and symptoms, in one case saying that the criticism could cause Beijing to be less helpful, said White House officials.

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In fact, Trump didn’t just decline the suggestions; he actually went in the opposite direction. Trump repeatedly praised China’s coronavirus response through late February. And on two different occasions, he actually vouched for China’s transparency, despite the advice.
Trump did so voluntarily on Jan. 24, tweeting, “The United States greatly appreciates [China’s] efforts and transparency.” He was then asked directly on Feb. 7 whether he was “concerned that China is covering up the full extent of coronavirus.” He said flatly, “No. … They’re working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...p-covered-chinas-alleged-coronavirus-coverup/

You are so so right on this one. Trump knew everything about the virus 2 months before he shut down the country.

While he was being hog tied with a fake impeachment and a million other lies to deal with.

I'm glad you guys in congress were using your full efforts to focus on this virus. Tying up our country with your Trump hatred was the right thing to do.

I just wish Trump would have kept the airlines moving full speed ahead and not shut the country down until an act of Congress did.

lol... well, dippity do DUH... in fact donny DID know ... kept the experts outa the loop & instead invited who? the bitch from georgia who just happens to be married to the owner of the NYSE.


Coronavirus: Full Coverage
Updated
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources
By Aram Roston, Marisa Taylor
7 Min Read

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.


Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.“This came directly from the White House,” one official said.
Exclusive: White House told federal health agency to classify coronavirus deliberations - sources

 

[playtime]

excuses excuses excuses... you always have one.

Yeah, except my excuses are not made up like yours. From one of your very own, Politifact:

Biden underscored the loss of American staff at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention office in Beijing.

"We had over 44, if I’m not mistaken, people from the CDC in China, in China to observe what was going on," Biden said May 14. "The president brought home the vast majority of them, I think left only four in place."

This is an intriguing claim. Biden is off on the exact numbers. But his point about stripped-down oversight is supported. According to the CDC, the program in China specifically charged with spotting new infectious diseases went from having four American staff in 2017 to none by 2019.

It’s impossible to say with 100% certainty that if those Americans had been there, they would have been able to alert Washington earlier to an emerging threat. But not having them there eliminated that possibility.

Biden indicated he was a bit unsure of the exact numbers, and what he offered was an inconsistent blend of American and Chinese staff figures. He said there were 44 people "from the CDC in China." The actual number was 47 in March 2019 and that included eight Americans and 39 Chinese.

When he said the number fell to four, the actual number by December 2019 was three Americans, and 11 Chinese.

Key US staff in CDC China office fell to zero under Trump

Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee, argues that President Donald Trump failed to protect the country from the

www.politifact.com

uh-huh. donny dismantled it. ZERO were there thanks to HIM. & the pandemic playbook that the obama administration left for the incoming prez was ignored & thrown out.

next will you be blaming the cupboards were bare of PPE like donny did, 3 solid years after he took office?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

uh-huh. donny dismantled it. ZERO were there thanks to HIM. & the pandemic playbook that the obama administration left for the incoming prez was ignored & thrown out.

next will you be blaming the cupboards were bare of PPE like donny did, 3 solid years after he took office?

Oh, so now you know more than Politifact, huh?

 

[playtime]

uh-huh. donny dismantled it. ZERO were there thanks to HIM. & the pandemic playbook that the obama administration left for the incoming prez was ignored & thrown out.

next will you be blaming the cupboards were bare of PPE like donny did, 3 solid years after he took office?

Oh, so now you know more than Politifact, huh?

i said he dismantled it. i never said eliminated it.

answer the Q about the PPE, raymond. why did donny sell 17 tons of it instead of replenishing the nation's stockpile?

or about the pandemic playbook....

or the bigley warning that went ignored:


Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.

By David E. Sanger, Eric Lipton, Eileen Sullivan and Michael Crowley
Published March 19, 2020Updated March 22, 2020

That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.

The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.


The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings.
Many of the potentially deadly consequences of a failure to address the shortcomings are now playing out in all-too-real fashion across the country. And it was hardly the first warning for the nation’s leaders. Three times over the past four years the U.S. government, across two administrations, had grappled in depth with what a pandemic would look like, identifying likely shortcomings and in some cases recommending specific action.

In 2016, the Obama administration produced a comprehensive report on the lessons learned by the government from battling Ebola. In January 2017, outgoing Obama administration officials ran an extensive exercise on responding to a pandemic for incoming senior officials of the Trump administration.
Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded (Published 2020)

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

i said he dismantled it. i never said eliminated it.

answer the Q about the PPE, raymond. why did donny sell 17 tons of it instead of replenishing the nation's stockpile?

or about the pandemic playbook....

or the bigley warning that went ignored:

Tell me what PPE he sold and I'll look it up for you. The US doesn't really have PPE, private industry manufactures it and sells it to who they want. We never had a stockpile during the Trump administration. DumBama used our stockpile and never replaced it.

What pandemic playbook are you talking about? This was not even considered a problem for the US until April of last year. Even then it was pretty minor. And we had no warnings because the WHO and China conspired to hide the out break when it happened in Wuhan. They allowed international flights in and out of Wuhan but not domestic.

If Trump never eliminated the pandemic team, what was the point in bringing it up? The team was in Beijing and the virus broke out some 600 miles away in Wuhan.

Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.

By David E. Sanger, Eric Lipton, Eileen Sullivan and Michael Crowley
Published March 19, 2020Updated March 22, 2020

That scenario, code-named “Crimson Contagion” and imagining an influenza pandemic, was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.

The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.


The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings.
Many of the potentially deadly consequences of a failure to address the shortcomings are now playing out in all-too-real fashion across the country. And it was hardly the first warning for the nation’s leaders. Three times over the past four years the U.S. government, across two administrations, had grappled in depth with what a pandemic would look like, identifying likely shortcomings and in some cases recommending specific action.

In 2016, the Obama administration produced a comprehensive report on the lessons learned by the government from battling Ebola. In January 2017, outgoing Obama administration officials ran an extensive exercise on responding to a pandemic for incoming senior officials of the Trump administration.
Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded (Published 2020)

Sure, it's easy being an armchair quarterback when looking in the rear view mirror, but at the time no American still alive ever seen anything like this. Nobody could have expected this. H1N1 didn't kill that many people, and DumBama never brought the country and economy to a screeching halt because of it. No masks, very little on the news, this was just one more foreign problem that we could handle and be gone tomorrow.

 

[JoeB131]

Tell me what PPE he sold and I'll look it up for you. The US doesn't really have PPE, private industry manufactures it and sells it to who they want. We never had a stockpile during the Trump administration. DumBama used our stockpile and never replaced it.

Trump had three years to replace the stockpile.

The problem with the stockpile is most of that stuff has a shelf life.

 

[Donald H]

I have noted that opinions differ.

A better question would be, 'Why did Trump win in 16' and why did you even come close to winning in 20.

If you asked that question instead then you would be taking a chance at least of learning the real answer that hardly any American wants to hear.

If Biden fails to keep the 'big gifts' coming to Americans then their overall displeasure over a system that keeps the working class people down, will result in Trump again or another Trump lookalike/clone.

America's working class's displeasure over being cheated out of a piece of the pie is really the only reason why a mad psychopath could be elected as their president.

Biden and the Dem party have to forsake their corporate handlers and do the right thing for America. If he/they don't then you'll be going one more round Delia.

How about that Manchin character or that Sinema thingy already being bought off?

 

[schmidlap]

I wasn't even discussing the election. I was talking with somebody else about their claim Trump dismantled the Covid pandemic team in China.

The thread's topic is "Why did Trump lose?"

Trump praising Xi over his handling of Covid did not appear to be a significant factor that contributed to his defeat.

Trump Praises Xi for Handling of Coronavirus Outbreak
NATIONAL REVIEW​

 

[schmidlap]

I have noted that opinions differ.

A better question would be, 'Why did Trump win in 16' and why did you even come close to winning in 20.

If you asked that question instead then you would be taking a chance at least of learning the real answer that hardly any American wants to hear.

If Biden fails to keep the 'big gifts' coming to Americans then their overall displeasure over a system that keeps the working class people down, will result in Trump again or another Trump lookalike/clone.

America's working class's displeasure over being cheated out of a piece of the pie is really the only reason why a mad psychopath could be elected as their president.

Biden and the Dem party have to forsake their corporate handlers and do the right thing for America. If he/they don't then you'll be going one more round Delia.

How about that Manchin character or that Sinema thingy already being bought off?

Trump vanquished all experienced politicians in 2016 because he was a novelty act and, as a television entertainer, received massive free media attention. He was a non-establishment figure at a time the establishment was out of favor, and blue collar white dudes were justifiably fed up with the Democratic Party.

He lost in 2020 because Americans finally got the opportunity to formally register what they had expressed regarding him relentlessly in independent public surveys throughout his four years.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump had three years to replace the stockpile.

The problem with the stockpile is most of that stuff has a shelf life.

I don't think the President is the overseer of our stockpile. He probably had no idea it was even depleted.

 

[Kondor3]

...I don't think the President is the overseer of our stockpile. He probably had no idea it was even depleted.

True. But "the buck stops here". His PEOPLE should have known; dang, they should have ANTICIPATED the depletions and ACTED to counteract shortages beforehand.

Hell... your average junior-high student would have seen it given ten minutes to think on it... and didn't the Orange Baboon promise us that he's "hire the best people"?

The phrase "No excuse, drill sergeant!" comes to mind...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

True. But "the buck stops here". His PEOPLE should have known; dang, they should have ANTICIPATED the depletions and ACTED to counteract shortages beforehand.

Hell... your average junior-high student would have seen it given ten minutes to think on it... and didn't the Orange Baboon promise us that he's "hire the best people"?

The phrase "No excuse, drill sergeant!" comes to mind...

Why is it the buck stops here only when it comes to Trump and the Republicans? What about Cuomo and DeBlazio? They sold off all their excess ventilators because they wanted to save money on keeping them maintained. Cuomo ordered the deaths of thousands of seniors.

Now we are looking at Biden. Our gasoline went up 70 cents since he took office, but all of the sudden, the buck doesn't stop there. Our border turned from being under control into a disaster, and the buck doesn't stop with him. It's all Trump's fault, you know, the guy that just left. Hey! DumBama put us another 10 trillion in the hole! Oh, he had to do that because of Bush's recession.

But Trump? He's responsible for every thing from the day he took office until months after he left.

 

[Kondor3]

...Why is it the buck stops here only when it comes to Trump and the Republicans?...

It doesn't. Never said it should.

...What about Cuomo and DeBlazio? They sold off all their excess ventilators because they wanted to save money on keeping them maintained. Cuomo ordered the deaths of thousands of seniors...

Absolutely on-point... take heart. New York State legal authorities are conducting their own robust investigations.

...Now we are looking at Biden. Our gasoline went up 70 cents since he took office, but all of the sudden, the buck doesn't stop there...

Yes. The buck does, indeed, stop at the Resolute Desk. The difference being: Biden will tell you just that. The Rump-Weasel blamed everybody BUT himself.

...Our border turned from being under control into a disaster, and the buck doesn't stop with him...

Yes. The buck does, indeed, stop at the Resolute Desk. I think his border stance is way-wrong myself. Same 'ditto' comment re: "the difference being..." .

...It's all Trump's fault, you know, the guy that just left...

Nope. But Rump had months to ramp-up vaccine Manufacture and Distribution and did little after accelerating research and obtaining FDA approvals.

...Hey! DumBama put us another 10 trillion in the hole! Oh, he had to do that because of Bush's recession...

Shrub presided over the Housing Market Crash of 2007-2008 and he owns that... and all the fallout that ensured well into Obumble's first term.

...But Trump? He's responsible for every thing from the day he took office until months after he left.

What Presidents do while in-office impacts the Nation and the government for months - sometimes years - after one leaves office. Not opinion. Provable fact.

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And, of course, NONE of that has the slightest thing to do with whether or not Rump failed to ramp-up vaccine Manufacture and Distribution in his final months.

 

[Lastamender]

I have noted that opinions differ and solicit your speculations.

Which of the following, if any, approximate what you suspect is the major reason:

1. The election merely reflected his having lost the popular vote in 2016 and the public sentiment remaining consistent, as he was relentlessly unpopular in survey after survey throughout his tenure.
2. He repeatedly scoffed at and minimized the threat posed by a pandemic that resulted in over 20 million infections, over 350,000 deaths, and the strain on dedicated healthcare providers to the breaking point.
3. He was the victim of a vast, very mysterious conspiracy in which Republican governors, Republican secretaries of state, Republican attorneys general, Republican county clerks, and Republican judges throughout the land were decisively complicit.
4. He was beaten by a sleepy, senile, corrupt Chinese sock puppet whom the American electorate deemed to be decidedly superior.

I hope all who entertain theories will share their analyses while refraining from vituperation, revilement, and diversionary ploys.

Civil, dispassionate discussion and sprightly discourse concerning causative factors, one might hope, ensue.

Trump did not lose. Trump was defrauded.

 

[Kondor3]

...Trump did not lose. Trump was defrauded.

Bull$hit.