Why do people hate Liberals?

[RKMBrown]

Liberals are able to understand concepts that conservatives have no ability to grasp and never will be able to grasp. Why? Because conservatives don't think, they mimic what they are taught or they emote. I stated a FACT: No one who shows up at a hospital for treatment is turned away, NO ONE...regardless of their ability to pay. It is the law.

Doctors don't go unpaid for that treatment, WE pay for it. It is added to the insurance premiums of every responsible American who KNOWS that health is not guaranteed. An illness or injury can happen to anyone regardless of age. To go without health insurance is not the 'personal responsibility' you right wingers claim as your mantra. it is gross personal irresponsibility.

As a matter of fact, the term for those people was coined by conservatives from right wing think tanks like the Heritage foundation...FREE RIDERS.

I NEVER said health care should be free. I would like to see America go to a single payer plan. Do you notice a key word there? Single PAYER. Everyone PAYS a premium or a tax that would be much lower than our current private cartel run death care.

Thomas Jefferson defined what inalienable rights are in the Declaration of Independence; life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

PLEASE explain to me how anyone, regardless of age or wealth can have ANY of those inalienable rights without LIFE? Dead people have no rights. And then explain to me how anyone can have life without health care?

OMG everyone pays? How would that work for the people who have no money?

Do some research on single-payer and how it works. It's not free.

I added a link about HR 676 and how it is funded if anyone is interested.

http://www.pnhp.org/sites/default/files/Funding HR 676_Friedman_7.31.13.pdf

Oh I see. The top half pays for the bottom half. The more money you have the more expensive health care is for you. Everyone in the bottom 51% of income gets it for nothing. Makes sense. Where do I sign up to be in the bottom 51%?

 

[Dragonlady]

Cut and pasted liberal crap is just as much crap as parroted crap, Mamooth. And when the person pasting it has no clue what it even means, yeah, that can derail a thread.

Just as your post is totally non responsive to the point I was making here.

This is also your tactic. To reject any argument or criticism, however valid, as not conforming to your rules of debate. I've pretty much given up discussing anything with you because you deflect any valid points as beyong the scope of what you were asking.

There are lots of bright, informed liberals on this board, who post lots of links to studies and articles from mainstream media and not partisan hack sites, like FOX News, and it's all rejected. Instead, you parrot the writings of the Heritiage Foundation, which receives much of its funding from Big Oil.

It's always amazed me that conservatives give so much credence to a news outlet owned by an Australian and a Saudi with no interest except to undermine the US economy, but that's just my suspicious nature.

 

[koshergrl]

Do some research on single-payer and how it works. It's not free.

How do people who have no assets and refuse to work pay for their health care in a single payer system? Where does the money for their health care come from? Who is this single payer?

Also, you've implied in a few of your posts that the uninsured are people who refuse to work.

I want to point out that many people who work do not have health care.

It isn't an issue of working or not.

Health CARE and health INSURANCE are two different things.

And people who WORK are not ELIGIBLE for mandated insurance...their income puts them over the income standard (but not their kids..programs for kids and pregnant women have much higher income standards).

Everybody in this country can get health care. Even if they can't pay for it. So please stop lying and pretending that health CARE is not available, just because people don't have health INSURANCE provided by the state. Also stop pretending that working men and women are the ones burdening the existing medicaid programs..they are not. THOSE men and women go without insurance...the men and women who are ELIGIBLE for health insurance (medicaid) ARE those men and women who are refusing to work. If you are an able bodied adult on MEDICAID, then you are not providing for yourself or your family. And only a tiny percentage of those who are not providing actually have a REASON for not providing. People who are disabled are eligible for other programs.

 

[Foxfyre]

Cut and pasted liberal crap is just as much crap as parroted crap, Mamooth. And when the person pasting it has no clue what it even means, yeah, that can derail a thread.

Just as your post is totally non responsive to the point I was making here.

This is also your tactic. To reject any argument or criticism, however valid, as not conforming to your rules of debate. I've pretty much given up discussing anything with you because you deflect any valid points as beyong the scope of what you were asking.

There are lots of bright, informed liberals on this board, who post lots of links to studies and articles from mainstream media and not partisan hack sites, like FOX News, and it's all rejected. Instead, you parrot the writings of the Heritiage Foundation, which receives much of its funding from Big Oil.

It's always amazed me that conservatives give so much credence to a news outlet owned by an Australian and a Saudi with no interest except to undermine the US economy, but that's just my suspicious nature.

I will continue to reject crap that is crap regardless of its source DL. And I will continue to accept good information from any source including some of those you think are wonderful. But how is my rejecting your argument any different than you dismissing me because I won't agree with your view of the world? Have you once accepted one of my sources as valid or any argument I have ever made? Have you ever attempted to have a discussion that didn't not include an attack on me or Repulicans or conservatives or anybody you consider unworthy to be in your world?

A discussion goes like this:
Person one: In my opinion. . . . .
Person two: I disagree with that because. . . .or that is true, but also true is. . . . or something similar.

A few liberal friends at USMB know how to do that without using the insult or adhominem references. Some actually do that. But they are so very rare.

 

[numan]

Right now health care costs are high, in part because people who don't have health care go to the ER when they are sick at a much higher cost and it is a much more inefficient system.

Health care costs are high because Big Pharma and the doctors are thieves and scammers.

.

 

[RKMBrown]

Do some research on single-payer and how it works. It's not free.

How do people who have no assets and refuse to work pay for their health care in a single payer system? Where does the money for their health care come from? Who is this single payer?

Also, you've implied in a few of your posts that the uninsured are people who refuse to work.

I want to point out that many people who work do not have health care.

It isn't an issue of working or not.

I implied nothing of the kind.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Health care costs are high because Big Pharma and the doctors are thieves and scammers.

.

Have you ever met a doctor in real life? Not as a patient - but as a person?

 

[Bfgrn]

How do people who have no assets and refuse to work pay for their health care in a single payer system? Where does the money for their health care come from? Who is this single payer?

Also, you've implied in a few of your posts that the uninsured are people who refuse to work.

I want to point out that many people who work do not have health care.

It isn't an issue of working or not.

Health CARE and health INSURANCE are two different things.

And people who WORK are not ELIGIBLE for mandated insurance...their income puts them over the income standard (but not their kids..programs for kids and pregnant women have much higher income standards).

Everybody in this country can get health care. Even if they can't pay for it. So please stop lying and pretending that health CARE is not available, just because people don't have health INSURANCE provided by the state. Also stop pretending that working men and women are the ones burdening the existing medicaid programs..they are not. THOSE men and women go without insurance...the men and women who are ELIGIBLE for health insurance (medicaid) ARE those men and women who are refusing to work. If you are an able bodied adult on MEDICAID, then you are not providing for yourself or your family. And only a tiny percentage of those who are not providing actually have a REASON for not providing. People who are disabled are eligible for other programs.

Health care in America.

New Orleans, La. — — It happened as I watched a 50-something woman walk out, after spending several hours being attended to by volunteer doctors. "She's decided against treatment. A reasonable decision under the circumstances," the doctor tells us as she heads for the next patient. The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics tells me why: "It's stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors." I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater.

After watching for hours as the patients moved through the clinic, it was hard to believe that I was in America.

Eighty-three percent of the patients they see are employed, they are not accepting other government help on a large scale, not "welfare queens" as some would like to have us believe. They are tax-paying, good, upstanding citizens who are trying to make it and give their kids a better life just like you and me.

Ninety percent of the patients who came through Saturday's clinic had two or more diagnoses.
Eighty-two percent had a life-threatening condition such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension. They are victims of a system built with corporate profits at its center, which long ago forgot the moral imperative that should drive us to show compassion to our fellow men and women.

Health reform is not about Democrats or Republicans or who can score political points for the next election, it's about people. It's about fairness and justice in a system that knows none. I'd defy even the most hardened capitalist-loving-conservative to do what I did on Saturday and continue to pretend that the system in place right now is working.

 

[RKMBrown]

Also, you've implied in a few of your posts that the uninsured are people who refuse to work.

I want to point out that many people who work do not have health care.

It isn't an issue of working or not.

Health CARE and health INSURANCE are two different things.

And people who WORK are not ELIGIBLE for mandated insurance...their income puts them over the income standard (but not their kids..programs for kids and pregnant women have much higher income standards).

Everybody in this country can get health care. Even if they can't pay for it. So please stop lying and pretending that health CARE is not available, just because people don't have health INSURANCE provided by the state. Also stop pretending that working men and women are the ones burdening the existing medicaid programs..they are not. THOSE men and women go without insurance...the men and women who are ELIGIBLE for health insurance (medicaid) ARE those men and women who are refusing to work. If you are an able bodied adult on MEDICAID, then you are not providing for yourself or your family. And only a tiny percentage of those who are not providing actually have a REASON for not providing. People who are disabled are eligible for other programs.

Health care in America.

New Orleans, La. — — It happened as I watched a 50-something woman walk out, after spending several hours being attended to by volunteer doctors. "She's decided against treatment. A reasonable decision under the circumstances," the doctor tells us as she heads for the next patient. The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics tells me why: "It's stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors." I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater.

After watching for hours as the patients moved through the clinic, it was hard to believe that I was in America.

Eighty-three percent of the patients they see are employed, they are not accepting other government help on a large scale, not "welfare queens" as some would like to have us believe. They are tax-paying, good, upstanding citizens who are trying to make it and give their kids a better life just like you and me.

Ninety percent of the patients who came through Saturday's clinic had two or more diagnoses.
Eighty-two percent had a life-threatening condition such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension. They are victims of a system built with corporate profits at its center, which long ago forgot the moral imperative that should drive us to show compassion to our fellow men and women.

Health reform is not about Democrats or Republicans or who can score political points for the next election, it's about people. It's about fairness and justice in a system that knows none. I'd defy even the most hardened capitalist-loving-conservative to do what I did on Saturday and continue to pretend that the system in place right now is working.

Typical libtard response. Everyone on this planet knows to get checkups for breast cancer. Everyone. Libtard excuse for everyone not getting their free checkups? Republicans did not opt to beg everyone to get their free checkup earlier. Libtard solution? Steal money from republicans to give people free health care to replace the free health care being provided by the free clinic in the libtard provided example.

 

[Wolfsister77]

Health CARE and health INSURANCE are two different things.

And people who WORK are not ELIGIBLE for mandated insurance...their income puts them over the income standard (but not their kids..programs for kids and pregnant women have much higher income standards).

Everybody in this country can get health care. Even if they can't pay for it. So please stop lying and pretending that health CARE is not available, just because people don't have health INSURANCE provided by the state. Also stop pretending that working men and women are the ones burdening the existing medicaid programs..they are not. THOSE men and women go without insurance...the men and women who are ELIGIBLE for health insurance (medicaid) ARE those men and women who are refusing to work. If you are an able bodied adult on MEDICAID, then you are not providing for yourself or your family. And only a tiny percentage of those who are not providing actually have a REASON for not providing. People who are disabled are eligible for other programs.

Health care in America.

New Orleans, La. — — It happened as I watched a 50-something woman walk out, after spending several hours being attended to by volunteer doctors. "She's decided against treatment. A reasonable decision under the circumstances," the doctor tells us as she heads for the next patient. The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics tells me why: "It's stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors." I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater.

After watching for hours as the patients moved through the clinic, it was hard to believe that I was in America.

Eighty-three percent of the patients they see are employed, they are not accepting other government help on a large scale, not "welfare queens" as some would like to have us believe. They are tax-paying, good, upstanding citizens who are trying to make it and give their kids a better life just like you and me.

Ninety percent of the patients who came through Saturday's clinic had two or more diagnoses.
Eighty-two percent had a life-threatening condition such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension. They are victims of a system built with corporate profits at its center, which long ago forgot the moral imperative that should drive us to show compassion to our fellow men and women.

Health reform is not about Democrats or Republicans or who can score political points for the next election, it's about people. It's about fairness and justice in a system that knows none. I'd defy even the most hardened capitalist-loving-conservative to do what I did on Saturday and continue to pretend that the system in place right now is working.

Typical libtard response. Everyone on this planet knows to get checkups for breast cancer. Everyone. Libtard excuse for everyone not getting their free checkups? Republicans did not opt to beg everyone to get their free checkup earlier. Libtard solution? Steal money from republicans to give people free health care to replace the free health care being provided by the free clinic in the libtard provided example.

Typical. Resort to use of the word Libtard when you can't discuss something like an adult.

 

[RKMBrown]

Health care in America.

New Orleans, La. — — It happened as I watched a 50-something woman walk out, after spending several hours being attended to by volunteer doctors. "She's decided against treatment. A reasonable decision under the circumstances," the doctor tells us as she heads for the next patient. The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics tells me why: "It's stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors." I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater.

After watching for hours as the patients moved through the clinic, it was hard to believe that I was in America.

Eighty-three percent of the patients they see are employed, they are not accepting other government help on a large scale, not "welfare queens" as some would like to have us believe. They are tax-paying, good, upstanding citizens who are trying to make it and give their kids a better life just like you and me.

Ninety percent of the patients who came through Saturday's clinic had two or more diagnoses.
Eighty-two percent had a life-threatening condition such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension. They are victims of a system built with corporate profits at its center, which long ago forgot the moral imperative that should drive us to show compassion to our fellow men and women.

Health reform is not about Democrats or Republicans or who can score political points for the next election, it's about people. It's about fairness and justice in a system that knows none. I'd defy even the most hardened capitalist-loving-conservative to do what I did on Saturday and continue to pretend that the system in place right now is working.

Typical libtard response. Everyone on this planet knows to get checkups for breast cancer. Everyone. Libtard excuse for everyone not getting their free checkups? Republicans did not opt to beg everyone to get their free checkup earlier. Libtard solution? Steal money from republicans to give people free health care to replace the free health care being provided by the free clinic in the libtard provided example.

Typical. Resort to use of the word Libtard when you can't discuss something like an adult.

You have a better word for his lunacy?

 

[Foxfyre]

And health care at all levels was far more affordable before the federal government got involved. And survival rates for deadly diseases was higher in the USA than any other place. Once the government started pulling millions of people into the system, however, with guaranteed payments and the person's ability to pay was no longer a factor, the costs have been spiraling out of control ever since. It happens every single time the free market system is short circuited by something somebody promises will be better.

It is no accident that the more Medicaid and Medicare have been expanded, the higher insurance costs have risen and the more costly all forms of healthcare has become.

The argument can be made that health care would be more affordable and more patient friendly--the health care providers would have to provide a product at a cost people could afford - if the government got out of the business altogether.

It has to be part of the equation.

 

[mamooth]

You have a better word for his lunacy?

Logic. Hence why it was so far over your head. The real world is difficult for TrueBelievers to understand.

Meanwhile, let's all ask the Canadians or Europeans if they want to trash their single payer systems. They'll bust a gut laughing if you tell them the American system is better, though they are a little annoyed at all the Americans crossing borders to seek health care. Much of the world successfully runs such a system, demonstrating how detached from reality you are.

You mission is to explain why the real world contradicts your dogma. What does your cult tell you the answer is?

 

[Bfgrn]

And health care at all levels was far more affordable before the federal government got involved. And survival rates for deadly diseases was higher in the USA than any other place. Once the government started pulling millions of people into the system, however, with guaranteed payments and the person's ability to pay was no longer a factor, the costs have been spiraling out of control ever since. It happens every single time the free market system is short circuited by something somebody promises will be better.

It is no accident that the more Medicaid and Medicare have been expanded, the higher insurance costs have risen and the more costly all forms of healthcare has become.

The argument can be made that health care would be more affordable and more patient friendly--the health care providers would have to provide a product at a cost people could afford - if the government got out of the business altogether.

It has to be part of the equation.

Totally false premise AGAIN.

High health care costs: Who's to blame?

Drug companies, insurers, politicians, lawyers, and the bad habits of Americans all figure into high and rising health-care costs. But the biggest contributors to high costs—doctors and hospitals—get off easier among consumers, our survey found.

"The aim of our health-care system should not be to make a profit for insurance and drug companies. It should be to provide affordable, high-quality care for all Americans," said Andrea Hanson, 31, a college teacher from Murphy, Texas, who responded to our invitation to share her story online.

The focus on drug and pharmaceutical companies is not surprising because of the way that most Americans pay for health care, said experts we consulted.

"Americans tend to focus on the bills they pay, not the total cost of health care," said Jacob S. Hacker, professor of political science at Yale University. "And the bills for most Americans ultimately reflect what insurance companies don't cover and what drug companies charge consumers at the pharmacy. They see the big profits these companies earn even as they, the patients, are struggling to pay their bills."

But a closer look at health-cost trends shows that these players, in roughly descending order, contributed the most to rising costs:

Hospitals and doctors. Doctors and hospitals account for by far the largest share, 52 percent in 2006, of all national health spending. There's abundant evidence that some of that spending is unnecessary. Under the present system, hospitals and doctors earn more money by doing costly interventions than by keeping people healthy. And more medical care doesn't necessarily mean better care, according to research on Medicare expenditures by the Dartmouth Medical School's Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.

Yet just 59 percent of our survey respondents named hospitals, and 47 percent named doctors, as major spending culprits. (Percentages add up to more than 100 because respondents could select as many factors as they wanted.)

Drug companies. Prescription drugs account for only one-tenth of total health-care expenditures. But drug spending has increased as a share of overall expenditures over the past decade.

Seventy-six percent of respondents blamed drugmakers generally, and 74 percent said drugmakers charged too much for their products.

Insurance companies. Health-insurance premiums have grown faster than inflation or workers' earnings over the past decade, in parallel with the equally rapid rise in overall health costs. Industry spending on administrative and marketing costs, plus profits, consumes 12 percent of private-insurance premiums.

Seventy-seven percent of respondents blamed insurance companies in general for high costs, and 70 percent said insurers overcharged for their products and services.

Politicians and government regulators. Although the government directly controls only 46 percent of national health spending, many of its policies affect the bottom line of the health-care industry, for example, by setting Medicare reimbursement rates for doctors on which private insurers base their rates, or by regulating health insurance. Between 1999 and 2006, the health-care lobby spent more than any other business sector, according to a study by the Institute for Health & Socio-Economic Policy, a nonprofit policy and research group.

Sixty-four percent of respondents faulted politicians and 58 percent faulted government regulators for failing to control health-care costs.

Lawyers. Malpractice-insurance premiums and liability awards account for less than 2 percent of overall health-care spending, according to a 2004 study by the Congressional Budget Office. Defensive medicine, the practice of ordering extra tests or procedures to protect against lawsuits, might add another few percentage points, according to some estimates.

Yet 60 percent of respondents blamed lawyers for high costs, and 69 percent specifically pointed to "frivolous lawsuits."

Health-care consumers. "Modifiable" risk factors, such as eating too much, exercising too little, or smoking, are to blame for an estimated 25 percent of U.S. health-care costs, according to expert estimates. But even if every American took up healthful living overnight, our health-care expenses would still be the second highest in the world (after Luxembourg).

Sixty-eight percent of respondents thought those bad habits were to blame for high U.S. health costs.

A mere 41 percent of respondents blamed consumers for overusing services.

And the respondents "are correct not to believe that," said Hacker. "Patients have little control over the amount that hospitals and doctors charge. Our exorbitant medical prices are a result of the fragmented structure of our health-care system, not the choices of patients."

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[Bfgrn]

Health CARE and health INSURANCE are two different things.

And people who WORK are not ELIGIBLE for mandated insurance...their income puts them over the income standard (but not their kids..programs for kids and pregnant women have much higher income standards).

Everybody in this country can get health care. Even if they can't pay for it. So please stop lying and pretending that health CARE is not available, just because people don't have health INSURANCE provided by the state. Also stop pretending that working men and women are the ones burdening the existing medicaid programs..they are not. THOSE men and women go without insurance...the men and women who are ELIGIBLE for health insurance (medicaid) ARE those men and women who are refusing to work. If you are an able bodied adult on MEDICAID, then you are not providing for yourself or your family. And only a tiny percentage of those who are not providing actually have a REASON for not providing. People who are disabled are eligible for other programs.

Health care in America.

New Orleans, La. — — It happened as I watched a 50-something woman walk out, after spending several hours being attended to by volunteer doctors. "She's decided against treatment. A reasonable decision under the circumstances," the doctor tells us as she heads for the next patient. The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics tells me why: "It's stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors." I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater.

After watching for hours as the patients moved through the clinic, it was hard to believe that I was in America.

Eighty-three percent of the patients they see are employed, they are not accepting other government help on a large scale, not "welfare queens" as some would like to have us believe. They are tax-paying, good, upstanding citizens who are trying to make it and give their kids a better life just like you and me.

Ninety percent of the patients who came through Saturday's clinic had two or more diagnoses.
Eighty-two percent had a life-threatening condition such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension. They are victims of a system built with corporate profits at its center, which long ago forgot the moral imperative that should drive us to show compassion to our fellow men and women.

Health reform is not about Democrats or Republicans or who can score political points for the next election, it's about people. It's about fairness and justice in a system that knows none. I'd defy even the most hardened capitalist-loving-conservative to do what I did on Saturday and continue to pretend that the system in place right now is working.

Typical libtard response. Everyone on this planet knows to get checkups for breast cancer. Everyone. Libtard excuse for everyone not getting their free checkups? Republicans did not opt to beg everyone to get their free checkup earlier. Libtard solution? Steal money from republicans to give people free health care to replace the free health care being provided by the free clinic in the libtard provided example.

A really a sad commentary of what conservatism is all about.

That article was written in late 2009. That 50 year old women with stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors is dead and buried.

The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics: "I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater."

Liberalism is all about people. Conservatism is all about material things.

You folks are the modern day Pharisee. I suggest you grab everything you can in this life, because eternity will be very hot for scum like you.

We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a party frozen in the ice of its own indifference.
President John F. Kennedy

 

[Trajan]

Health care in America.

New Orleans, La. — — It happened as I watched a 50-something woman walk out, after spending several hours being attended to by volunteer doctors. "She's decided against treatment. A reasonable decision under the circumstances," the doctor tells us as she heads for the next patient. The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics tells me why: "It's stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors." I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater.

After watching for hours as the patients moved through the clinic, it was hard to believe that I was in America.

Eighty-three percent of the patients they see are employed, they are not accepting other government help on a large scale, not "welfare queens" as some would like to have us believe. They are tax-paying, good, upstanding citizens who are trying to make it and give their kids a better life just like you and me.

Ninety percent of the patients who came through Saturday's clinic had two or more diagnoses.
Eighty-two percent had a life-threatening condition such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension. They are victims of a system built with corporate profits at its center, which long ago forgot the moral imperative that should drive us to show compassion to our fellow men and women.

Health reform is not about Democrats or Republicans or who can score political points for the next election, it's about people. It's about fairness and justice in a system that knows none. I'd defy even the most hardened capitalist-loving-conservative to do what I did on Saturday and continue to pretend that the system in place right now is working.

Typical libtard response. Everyone on this planet knows to get checkups for breast cancer. Everyone. Libtard excuse for everyone not getting their free checkups? Republicans did not opt to beg everyone to get their free checkup earlier. Libtard solution? Steal money from republicans to give people free health care to replace the free health care being provided by the free clinic in the libtard provided example.

A really a sad commentary of what conservatism is all about.

That article was written in late 2009. That 50 year old women with stage four breast cancer, her body is filled with tumors is dead and buried.

The president of the board of the National Association of Free Health Clinics: "I don't know when that woman last saw a doctor. But I do know that if she had health insurance, the odds she would have seen a doctor long ago are much higher, and her chances for an earlier diagnosis and treatment would have been far greater."

Liberalism is all about people. Conservatism is all about material things.

You folks are the modern day Pharisee. I suggest you grab everything you can in this life, because eternity will be very hot for scum like you.

We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a party frozen in the ice of its own indifference.
President John F. Kennedy

Better the occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a party frozen in the ice of its own indifference.
President John F. Kennedy

we are way past 'occasional'...


what brown said does have merit, and I can give you another example- when schip (The State Children's Health Insurance Program) rolled out, after approx. 3-5 years it became evident that several hundred thousand ( almost a million in fact if I recall correctly) folks who's kids were eligible, did not enroll them....they didn't sign them up, they just didn't....so what to do?

well, if your a democratic and use the old rope a dope, with the old its for the children emotional sob story, you get congress to raise eligibility benchmarks....raise the income level higher, now; I don't know what that had to do with the issue but thats what they did. Did it solve the original problem? No.....

Why? becasue people are not blocks of wood that do what you want them too, even if its for their own good or their child....there are people how simply do not look out for their own bests interests...and this is life.

you can only do so much and, absent dragging them out of their houses putting them in a car and making them sign up etc....all you can do is offer the chance to enroll and provide the assistance originally offered. Throwing money willy nilly at issues is just self aggrandizing emotional sap.... it may feel good, but it doesn't make it effective.

 

[Dragonlady]

A friend of mine is an accountant and he had the single mother of a disabled child in to do her tax returns. The woman was struggling financially and he found earned income credits she wasn't using, as well as disability credits for her son, but the woman didn't want to claim them because she considered any money received from the government to be "welfare" and she wasn't a welfare case.

I have another friend who is very conservative, who is also struggling financially and she wouldn't ever sign up for something like SCHIPP because she believes all government programs are a slippery slope to communism.

There are all kinds of people who escew government programs for all sorts of reasons.

 

[RKMBrown]

Liberalism is all about people. Conservatism is all about material things.

Bull shit. Liberalism is all about being stupid, ignorant, lazy, and good for nothing anchors on society. The only work a liberal does is steal from people and whine and complain about their shitty little lives. Conservatism is all about what's really good for people vs. the lunatic programs of the leftists. Conservatism is about families and defense against the liberal's programs of theft and destruction. All the libs are good for is demolition of assets.

 

[Wolfsister77]

Liberalism is all about people. Conservatism is all about material things.

Bull shit. Liberalism is all about being stupid, ignorant, lazy, and good for nothing anchors on society. The only work a liberal does is steal from people and whine and complain about their shitty little lives. Conservatism is all about what's really good people vs. the lunatic programs of the leftists. Conservatism is about families and defense against the liberal's programs of theft and destruction. All the libs are good for is demolition of assets.

Bullshit, How may Liberals do you know? You are quite the judgemental asshole aren't you?

 

[Trajan]

A friend of mine is an accountant and he had the single mother of a disabled child in to do her tax returns. The woman was struggling financially and he found earned income credits she wasn't using, as well as disability credits for her son, but the woman didn't want to claim them because she considered any money received from the government to be "welfare" and she wasn't a welfare case.

I have another friend who is very conservative, who is also struggling financially and she wouldn't ever sign up for something like SCHIPP because she believes all government programs are a slippery slope to communism.

There are all kinds of people who escew government programs for all sorts of reasons.

and?