Why does DHS Need 1.625 billion bullets?

[kyzr]

You can google this topic, it was just mentioned on TV. I can't think of any reason that Napolitano's minions need that much ammo?!

» DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Lets take a poll. Is that a good use of tax dollars, or a waste of money?

(bring on sequestration ASAP)

 

[whitehall]

55 Million registered republicans. Do the math.

 

[UKRider]

Practice takes a lot of bullets.

Edit: Link

http://theintelhub.com/2012/09/14/s...-homeland-security-as-ammo-buildup-continues/

 

[Charles_Main]

Obama is attempting to lower access to weapons and Ammo by using Tax Payers Dollars to buy them up.

Seems pretty transparent to me. Either that or maybe he is planning on not leaving office in 2016, and he is preparing for the Revolution that is sure to follow.

 

[Too Tall]

You can google this topic, it was just mentioned on TV. I can't think of any reason that Napolitano's minions need that much ammo?!

» DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Lets take a poll. Is that a good use of tax dollars, or a waste of money?

(bring on sequestration ASAP)

Maybe:

They do a lot of target practice at DHS and they can create a shortage of ammo with taxpayers money,thereby driving up the price so taxpayers won't to be able to buy any.

 

[Charles_Main]

You can google this topic, it was just mentioned on TV. I can't think of any reason that Napolitano's minions need that much ammo?!

» DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Lets take a poll. Is that a good use of tax dollars, or a waste of money?

(bring on sequestration ASAP)

Maybe:

They do a lot of target practice at DHS and they can create a shortage of ammo with taxpayers money,thereby driving up the price so taxpayers won't to be able to buy any.

Ding Ding Ding.

Just another way Obama has found to get around that Pesky Constitution thingy.

 

[Wry Catcher]

That amount is excessive, particularly since the entire agency wasn't needed. It would have been much less expensive to provide money to local agencies and simply set policies on the Federal Level, train local training officers in the proper protocol and hire them to provide technical assistance around the nation.

I don't one bit like the idea of a Federal Police Force.

 

[ogibillm]

You can google this topic, it was just mentioned on TV. I can't think of any reason that Napolitano's minions need that much ammo?!

» DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Lets take a poll. Is that a good use of tax dollars, or a waste of money?

(bring on sequestration ASAP)

Maybe:

They do a lot of target practice at DHS and they can create a shortage of ammo with taxpayers money,thereby driving up the price so taxpayers won't to be able to buy any.

Ding Ding Ding.

Just another way Obama has found to get around that Pesky Constitution thingy.

jesus you're neck deep in the conspiracy theories there

 

[kyzr]

You can google this topic, it was just mentioned on TV. I can't think of any reason that Napolitano's minions need that much ammo?!

» DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Lets take a poll. Is that a good use of tax dollars, or a waste of money?

(bring on sequestration ASAP)

Maybe:

They do a lot of target practice at DHS and they can create a shortage of ammo with taxpayers money,thereby driving up the price so taxpayers won't to be able to buy any.

The Iraq War used about 70-million bullets a year. Do the math. Thats enough bullets to do an Iraq size war for 23 years!! Its either a huge waste or something sinister is brewing.

 

[ogibillm]

the idiot writing the article can't read the requisition. the solicitation is for 240k total bullets.

learn to do some research. the links were in the article.

 

[ogibillm]

You can google this topic, it was just mentioned on TV. I can't think of any reason that Napolitano's minions need that much ammo?!

» DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Lets take a poll. Is that a good use of tax dollars, or a waste of money?

(bring on sequestration ASAP)

Maybe:

They do a lot of target practice at DHS and they can create a shortage of ammo with taxpayers money,thereby driving up the price so taxpayers won't to be able to buy any.

The Iraq War used about 70-million bullets a year. Do the math. Thats enough bullets to do an Iraq size war for 23 years!! Its either a huge waste or something sinister is brewing.

or... and this is the more likely scenario... it's for 240k bullets and you guys are being made to look like fools.

 

[kyzr]

the idiot writing the article can't read the requisition. the solicitation is for 240k total bullets.

learn to do some research. the links were in the article.

This was in addition to the 1.6 billion already ordered. Just google it.

 

[Black_Label]

There is already an open thread on this topic http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...buy-22-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition.html

 

[ogibillm]

the idiot writing the article can't read the requisition. the solicitation is for 240k total bullets.

learn to do some research. the links were in the article.

This was in addition to the 1.6 billion already ordered. Just google it.

if i do i'll likely get the same retard that wrote this article and couldn't figure out what the call for bids actually said.

look at it yourself. this is what they claimed was an order for 21.6 million bullets. clearly it is not.
https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbweb/fbobuyDetails.do?token===wBKxmaVGYR9Kcq5Ajq%2BRH6QAAAAAHeAAgAgTFCGg/FzzqQbJAAyVXBA0Or

 

[Bigfoot]

This seems pretty reasonable to me. This purchase will provide for many agencies with armed personnel. You get thousands of people shooting 500-1000 per day at the range and you go through a lot of rounds.

75 million rounds of ammunition that are fired each year in Switzerland during military and civilian target practice.

..and that's in a country with with an estimated 2.3 to 4.5 million firearms.

The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.

The amount of ammo that the government is ordering is not extraordinary and will do little to drive up prices for the average citizen here in the USA.

Reference:

How Switzerland Developed a Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

How many guns are in the United States of America

Gun owners have bought about 12 billion rounds of ammunition in the past year, industry officials estimate. That's up from 7 billion to 10 billion in a normal year.

Bullets are speeding faster out of gun shops in U.S. - Washington Post

NRA

Federal Law Enforcement Agencies Buy Ammunition

Posted on August 17, 2012

You may recently have seen some in the Internet rumor mill feverishly repeating the obvious truth above, in an effort to stir up fear about recent acquisitions of ammunition by the Department of Homeland Security and a number of smaller agencies. The mildest writers have questioned why seemingly mundane agencies would need ammunition at all; more incendiary authors suggest that these government agencies are preparing for a war with the American people.

Much of the concern stems from a lack of understanding of the law enforcement functions carried about by officers in small federal agencies. These agents have the power to make arrests and execute warrants, just like their better-known counterparts at agencies like the FBI.

For instance, the Social Security Administration solicited offers for 174,000 rounds of pistol ammunition. But the agency has 295 special agents who combat Social Security fraud that costs tax payers billions each year, so the order works out to roughly 590 rounds of ammunition per agent for training, mandatory quarterly qualification shooting and duty use. More than a few NRA members would use that much ammunition in a weekend shooting class or plinking session.

Another recent rumor questioned a request for 46,000 rounds of.40-caliber ammo by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. NOAA inadvertently fueled that speculation through a clerical error that suggested the ammunition was destined for the National Weather Service. NOAA later clarified that the ammunition was actually for the little known Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, which enforces laws against illegal fishing and marine life importation. The ammunition is for 63 personnel, amounting to about 730 rounds per officer.

The most widespread of the recent rumors involves a Department of Homeland Security contract for a maximum of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber jacketed hollow-points, to be supplied over the next five years.

After receiving numerous questions from his constituents regarding the contract, pro-Second Amendment U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) and his staff set out in search of the truth. In a press release, Rep. Westmoreland's office explains:

If you take the number of agencies that will be using this ammunition – CBP, Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), ICE, the U.S. Secret Service, Transportation Security Administration, the DHS police force, and all the guards that protect the various buildings these agencies are housed in, and spread that out over 5 years, you start to see that 450 million rounds really isn't that large of an order. Especially considering it is used for training purposes like firing range and live fire exercises, on-the-job use (though that is very limited), and to shore up their supplies. In fact, there are 65,000 – 70,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS who would be covered under this … ammunition contract. If DHS were to purchase all 450 million rounds over 5 years, then that would equate to only about 1,384 rounds of ammo per year per law enforcement [officer] … assuming the lower estimate of only 65,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS. Considering those agents go through training exercises several times per year, that is not a lot of ammunition.

Perhaps most strangely, some have cited the purchase of hollow-point ammunition as evidence of the federal government's evil motives. Hollow-points are the defensive ammunition of choice for federal, state and local law enforcement officers across the country, just as they are for private citizens. These attacks are eerily similar to statements made by gun prohibitionists, who spent the much of the '70s, '80s and '90s complaining about "dum dum" bullets. (In fact, the Violence Policy Center's website still exhibits a publication lamenting that federal ammunition law "has no effect on today's generation of high-tech hollow-point ammunition.") The attacks also ignore the fact that federal agents, unlike average taxpayers on more limited budgets, normally train and qualify with their duty ammunition.

As most gun owners will agree, skepticism of government is healthy. But today, there are more than enough actual threats to the Second Amendment to keep gun owners busy. With two key Supreme Court decisions hanging by a one-vote margin, the Justice Department deeply involved in a cover-up of a disastrous Mexican gun smuggling operation, and President Obama touting a ban on popular semi-automatic firearms, there is no need to invent additional threats to our rights.

 

[Ernie S.]

One word: Zombies.

 

[Bigfoot]

One word: Zombies.

LOL