Why does Obama want to fundamentally change America?

[auditor0007]

A-0007's been talkin' shit on this board for the last 5 years, an' will be talkin' his liberal lies on here for the next 5 years; long, even after the LIAR Obama is gone from office.
An' thatz fer' sure!

Yes, anyone who doesn't tow your idiotic thought process is just talking shit. Only your viewpoint has merit. You have the intellectual capacity of an Amoeba.

 

[Vox]

You dolts always make the same mistake. It is true that many liberals believe that a lot of people are born disadvantaged. Actually, it's a fact. Where you get it all wrong is in thinking that the idea is to make everyone equal. The idea is to give everyone an equal opportunity to make the most of themselves, but of course you already knew that.

I disagree. We all do have equal opportunity. Some just don't take advantage of the freedom to go for it and that is their choice that they must live with. Obama and the liberals don't talk about equal opportunity, they talk about social justice and strive for equal outcomes. That is a totally different thing. Equal outcomes are impossible and government is completely useless when it comes to helping people achieve. Since it is impossible to elevate people artificially (and the trillions spent on welfare prove that), the left seeks to lower the rest of us to bring about their twisted version of equality.

Seriously, you believe that some kid growing up in the ghetto has the same opportunity most of us had growing up middle class? It's not to say that a kid growing up in the ghetto cannot overcome all of his/her disadvantages, but the disadvantages are more than obvious. That kid is going to have a much tougher time becoming successful than your average middle class kid or a kid coming from wealth.

some kid growing in a ghetto sure as hell has much more opportunity compared to the kid jumping the fence.
He has much more opportunity than I did, although I did not have to jump the fence.
Just being born in this country gives you tremendous opportunities and being a kid from ghetto gives you 100% more opportunities than being a white kid from Appalachia. or a white kid from Brooklyn, for that matter. Being black in this country means to belong to the untouchables and a protected class. Same is true for Latinos.
If you are not lazy motherfukker who just wants to do drugs and father babies with 20 women not taking responsibility even for one.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You dolts always make the same mistake. It is true that many liberals believe that a lot of people are born disadvantaged. Actually, it's a fact. Where you get it all wrong is in thinking that the idea is to make everyone equal. The idea is to give everyone an equal opportunity to make the most of themselves, but of course you already knew that.

I disagree. We all do have equal opportunity. Some just don't take advantage of the freedom to go for it and that is their choice that they must live with. Obama and the liberals don't talk about equal opportunity, they talk about social justice and strive for equal outcomes. That is a totally different thing. Equal outcomes are impossible and government is completely useless when it comes to helping people achieve. Since it is impossible to elevate people artificially (and the trillions spent on welfare prove that), the left seeks to lower the rest of us to bring about their twisted version of equality.

Seriously, you believe that some kid growing up in the ghetto has the same opportunity most of us had growing up middle class? It's not to say that a kid growing up in the ghetto cannot overcome all of his/her disadvantages, but the disadvantages are more than obvious. That kid is going to have a much tougher time becoming successful than your average middle class kid or a kid coming from wealth.

lots of truth to that....higher hurdles.....shittier education....

 

[Harry Dresden]

I disagree. We all do have equal opportunity. Some just don't take advantage of the freedom to go for it and that is their choice that they must live with. Obama and the liberals don't talk about equal opportunity, they talk about social justice and strive for equal outcomes. That is a totally different thing. Equal outcomes are impossible and government is completely useless when it comes to helping people achieve. Since it is impossible to elevate people artificially (and the trillions spent on welfare prove that), the left seeks to lower the rest of us to bring about their twisted version of equality.

Seriously, you believe that some kid growing up in the ghetto has the same opportunity most of us had growing up middle class? It's not to say that a kid growing up in the ghetto cannot overcome all of his/her disadvantages, but the disadvantages are more than obvious. That kid is going to have a much tougher time becoming successful than your average middle class kid or a kid coming from wealth.

some kid growing in a ghetto sure as hell has much more opportunity compared to the kid jumping the fence.
He has much more opportunity than I did, although I did not have to jump the fence.
Just being born in this country gives you tremendous opportunities and being a kid from ghetto gives you 100% more opportunities than being a white kid from Appalachia. or a white kid from Brooklyn, for that matter. Being black in this country means to belong to the untouchables and a protected class. Same is true for Latinos.
If you are not lazy motherfukker who just wants to do drugs and father babies with 20 women not taking responsibility even for one.

before i comment....were you raised in the ghetto to know this?.....

 

[j-mac]

He perceives that some are born disadvantaged and wants to use government to bring a condition where all are equal.

You dolts always make the same mistake. It is true that many liberals believe that a lot of people are born disadvantaged. Actually, it's a fact. Where you get it all wrong is in thinking that the idea is to make everyone equal. The idea is to give everyone an equal opportunity to make the most of themselves, but of course you already knew that.

This is a country of equal opportunity, but progressives failure is in thinking that they can produce equal outcome.

 

[RoadVirus]

Why are Republicans hellbent on tearing down this country? Their racism and ignorance has kept the south poor and ragged for a hundred and fifty years. Isn't it time for a change? We need to keep them from finishing the job they started under Bush.

Here we go...another Libturd blaming America's ills on Republicans...and dragging the race card along with it. Sad. Entertaining...but sad.

 

[Doubletap]

Why are Republicans hellbent on tearing down this country? Their racism and ignorance has kept the south poor and ragged for a hundred and fifty years. Isn't it time for a change? We need to keep them from finishing the job they started under Bush.

Here we go...another Libturd blaming America's ills on Republicans...and dragging the race card along with it. Sad. Entertaining...but sad.

Yup. That's what Libturds do.

 

[Vox]

Seriously, you believe that some kid growing up in the ghetto has the same opportunity most of us had growing up middle class? It's not to say that a kid growing up in the ghetto cannot overcome all of his/her disadvantages, but the disadvantages are more than obvious. That kid is going to have a much tougher time becoming successful than your average middle class kid or a kid coming from wealth.

some kid growing in a ghetto sure as hell has much more opportunity compared to the kid jumping the fence.
He has much more opportunity than I did, although I did not have to jump the fence.
Just being born in this country gives you tremendous opportunities and being a kid from ghetto gives you 100% more opportunities than being a white kid from Appalachia. or a white kid from Brooklyn, for that matter. Being black in this country means to belong to the untouchables and a protected class. Same is true for Latinos.
If you are not lazy motherfukker who just wants to do drugs and father babies with 20 women not taking responsibility even for one.

before i comment....were you raised in the ghetto to know this?.....

oh, I was raised in a much worse place than ghetto.
ghetto kids won't survive there

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Because he's like all other fucking leftists, he believes America is more evil than good.

 

[Doubletap]

Best to lean Libertarian. Everyone's right to their own life & property is upheld.

 

[Antares]

You dolts always make the same mistake. It is true that many liberals believe that a lot of people are born disadvantaged. Actually, it's a fact. Where you get it all wrong is in thinking that the idea is to make everyone equal. The idea is to give everyone an equal opportunity to make the most of themselves, but of course you already knew that.

I disagree. We all do have equal opportunity. Some just don't take advantage of the freedom to go for it and that is their choice that they must live with. Obama and the liberals don't talk about equal opportunity, they talk about social justice and strive for equal outcomes. That is a totally different thing. Equal outcomes are impossible and government is completely useless when it comes to helping people achieve. Since it is impossible to elevate people artificially (and the trillions spent on welfare prove that), the left seeks to lower the rest of us to bring about their twisted version of equality.

Seriously, you believe that some kid growing up in the ghetto has the same opportunity most of us had growing up middle class? It's not to say that a kid growing up in the ghetto cannot overcome all of his/her disadvantages, but the disadvantages are more than obvious. That kid is going to have a much tougher time becoming successful than your average middle class kid or a kid coming from wealth.

Then be honest kid...it ISN'T about opportunity, it IS about equal outcome.

You just keep lying to yourself.

 

[Antares]

I disagree. We all do have equal opportunity. Some just don't take advantage of the freedom to go for it and that is their choice that they must live with. Obama and the liberals don't talk about equal opportunity, they talk about social justice and strive for equal outcomes. That is a totally different thing. Equal outcomes are impossible and government is completely useless when it comes to helping people achieve. Since it is impossible to elevate people artificially (and the trillions spent on welfare prove that), the left seeks to lower the rest of us to bring about their twisted version of equality.

Seriously, you believe that some kid growing up in the ghetto has the same opportunity most of us had growing up middle class? It's not to say that a kid growing up in the ghetto cannot overcome all of his/her disadvantages, but the disadvantages are more than obvious. That kid is going to have a much tougher time becoming successful than your average middle class kid or a kid coming from wealth.

lots of truth to that....higher hurdles.....shittier education....

But the SAME opportunity to make something of themselves.

 

[Listening]

Best to lean Libertarian. Everyone's right to their own life & property is upheld.

But if you are on the left...those rights are best guaranteed by the government.

You'd think that after looking at all the good ideas gone bad that they'd be a little more worried about this.

However, they do what liberals do....they think that somehow they'll get it right.

Can't get a f**cking website working. But they think they can run the entire system. They all need doctor help getting their heads pulled from their asses.

 

[Indeependent]

Best to lean Libertarian. Everyone's right to their own life & property is upheld.

But if you are on the left...those rights are best guaranteed by the government.

You'd think that after looking at all the good ideas gone bad that they'd be a little more worried about this.

However, they do what liberals do....they think that somehow they'll get it right.

Can't get a f**cking website working. But they think they can run the entire system. They all need doctor help getting their heads pulled from their asses.

HealthCare.org was developed by a private contractor.

 

[Listening]

Best to lean Libertarian. Everyone's right to their own life & property is upheld.

But if you are on the left...those rights are best guaranteed by the government.

You'd think that after looking at all the good ideas gone bad that they'd be a little more worried about this.

However, they do what liberals do....they think that somehow they'll get it right.

Can't get a f**cking website working. But they think they can run the entire system. They all need doctor help getting their heads pulled from their asses.

HealthCare.org was developed by a private contractor.

Hired by who ?

The government is accountable.

You are really going to say otherwise ?

 

[RoadVirus]

Best to lean Libertarian. Everyone's right to their own life & property is upheld.

But if you are on the left...those rights are best guaranteed by the government.

You'd think that after looking at all the good ideas gone bad that they'd be a little more worried about this.

However, they do what liberals do....they think that somehow they'll get it right.

Can't get a f**cking website working. But they think they can run the entire system. They all need doctor help getting their heads pulled from their asses.

HealthCare.org was developed by a private contractor.

A private contractor with a piss-poor record.

 

[candycorn]

More Americans voted for Obama in last two elections, but a vocal minority with disproportionate media influence is trying to overturn the results of the election by lying about his policies. The people lined up against him have contempt for democracy and the will of the people. Obama has faced more filibusters than any president by a factor of 10. When Bush passed Medicare Part D - the single greatest expansion of our entitlement system since LBJ - we didn't hear a peep from the Right. Why are so many rightwing voters cheerleaders for their own political leaders, who are often worse than the Left when it comes to waste and corruption? Why did FOX News never cover the Pork that the GOP stuffed into their legislation under Bush? The unwillingness to criticize your own party implies that you are driven by mindless partisanship rather than principals.

Consider what has happened to the country since Reagan. Corporations wanted ultra-cheap labor, so Reagan (and then Clinton) liberalized trade. This allowed corporations to shift the bulk of the world's manufacturing to places like Communist China or Taiwan where workers make $5/day. Where do you think Walmart - the GOP's greatest retail contributor - gets over 50% of its products made? Don't take my word for it. Go in one of their stores and read the labels on the clothes. Put simply, Walmart makes more money when its products are made in freedom hating nations by workers who live beneath brutal dictators. Nike and Apple make more money when their products are made in freedom hating nations by workers who live beneath dictators. The American worker has been displaced not by Washington, but by the owners of Washington: large corporations, the ones which fund our elections, staff government and get bailouts when their riskiest investments fail. Rather than praising the American private sector as the persecuted pinnacle of glorious freedom, you should look at their partnership with places like Communist China. The story of post-Reagan capitalism is the story of the substitute of livable wages with credit cards (a substitute that became necessary as production was shifted to Asia and the global south).

The special interests which moved American jobs to freedom hating nations also pay rightwing talk radio to distract you with the socialist boogeyman. This country has been through 30 years of tax cuts and deregulation ... and 30 years of lowering labor costs . . . all so that we could provide better incentives to the job producers. We were told that if we did this, than we would see a glorious trickle down of jobs, competitive pricing and innovation. But we've seen the opposite. The jobs trickled over seas as one domestic sector after another was transformed into a monopoly. Whether it be cable television/internet providers or health insurance, John Galt has used Washington to divide the country into fixed no-compete zones. This allows him to raise rates and decrease services without fear of losing customers. For people who hate Marx, you are making his criticisms of capitalism look prophetic. He predicted that we would eventually be stuck with a rentier class in every sector. Who knew that John Galt was just a monopolist who would buy the competition and screw the consumer. It's a joke. This country got rolled by a rogue political movement.

It's hard to find fault with any of what you wrote.

The only thing I would add in is that when you have a consumer based economy as ours is and you put the squeeze on the consumer by keeping wages stagnant, it's not hard to see why the economy is not growing very fast.

This is why it makes perfect sense to raise the minimum wage. The winners in the long run will be the business owners; not the employees but the short-term relief will be enjoyed by the employees.

 

[candycorn]

Best to lean Libertarian. Everyone's right to their own life & property is upheld.

But if you are on the left...those rights are best guaranteed by the government.

You'd think that after looking at all the good ideas gone bad that they'd be a little more worried about this.

However, they do what liberals do....they think that somehow they'll get it right.

Can't get a f**cking website working. But they think they can run the entire system. They all need doctor help getting their heads pulled from their asses.

It's almost as bad as someone who can't honor a simple bet they made. What do you call some one who can't honor their own word? Listening...