Why does the right think the American leftwing political ideology relates to Marxism or communism?

[PoliticalChic]

I see cnm is quoting scripture to try and prove that Jesus was a socialist.

Time and again Democrat supporters, atheists, pretend some acquaintance with the Bible.


Acts 2:44-45
44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Hmmm.....kinda like "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs "





Now for the context: the quote refers to a festival celebrated by the Jews/Christians of the time, the time after the grain harvest.

"The preceding verses in Acts show that the time setting is the annual festival of Pentecost. On this day, thousands of Jews from all over the world were gathered in Jerusalem. ... In their excitement of finding God’s truth, conversing with God’s apostles and people of like mind, many remained in Jerusalem longer than they had planned and ran short of food and money. .... “Consequently, of necessity, they formed a sort of community for the time being only.

These people were not socialists or Communists. But they were generous, giving and compassionate! Many of the local Church members sold their property as needed to help fellow brothers meet their expenses in Jerusalem during this exciting time ..."


“They did not all sell everything they owned at once, but they sold property only when,or ‘as anyone might be in need.’ … an absolute community of goods never was practiced by the Church at Jerusalem or any other Christian church” Is God a Socialist?



Never a commune.....never a permanent socialist entity.

The bible is clear as to who gets help....and when.

 

[Rigby5]

Why does the right think the American leftwing political ideology relates to Marxism or communism?​

Um, because it does?

Sorry, but you are wrong, leftist ideology does not relate to Marxism of communism.
The main aspect of leftist ideology is best represented by Jefferson, and the influence the French Revolution had on him, such as:
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“Liberty, Equality, Fraternity” is the French motto which came about around the time of the french revolution . Liberty represents freedom, a word that has many meanings; firstly it can stand for being able to make ones own decisions freely and having the opportunity to be able to express ones own beliefs without fear.
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This comes from the idea that government is a corrupt creation by the wealthy elite.
So then ideal leftists tend to share views with extreme right wing Libertarians.

Marx also did not trust government, considered it a necessary but temporary risk.
Eventually he believed that the state should whither away and die.
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" Withering away of the state " is a Marxist concept coined by Friedrich Engels referring to the idea that, with the realization of socialism, the social institution of a state will eventually become obsolete and disappear as the society will be able to govern itself without the state and its coercive enforcement of the law. Contents
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Leftist tend to not be as idealistic as Marx, and believe the state is necessary in order to counteract the right wing multi national corporations.

But the biggest mistaken belief of the right is that communism is centralized, undemocratic, and precludes capitalism.
All that is totally wrong.
Since communism is collective, cooperative, and communal, it has to be local, democratic, and allow capitalism.

 

[whitehall]

To paraphrase the Bard..."lefties doth protest too much"'.

 

[Billy000]

Because it does, you slimy little communist shit twinkle-toed cocksucker.

Lol apparently you’re too retarded to even attempt to elaborate on your point.

 

[Billy000]

Get ready to celebrate, Billy 000IQ.......tomorrow is an anniversary: May 22,1977 Jimmy Carter gave a speech exhorting Americans to abandon their “inordinate fear of Communism.”


Get it.....it was your order to embrace communism.....by the Democrat President.

So in other words you can’t answer the question. Got it. Just say that next time.

 

[Leo123]

Lol. Way to ignore the origins of the phrase under discussion.

I didn't ignore anything, liar.

 

[Leo123]

Lol apparently you’re too retarded to even attempt to elaborate on your point.

Insults are the refuge of losers.

 

[Billy000]

Glad you asked, 000IQ....


How about you take a look at the aims of the Communist Party, USA, and the aims of the modern Democrat Party.



Watch, and note the consubstantial basis of both the aims of the Communist Party and the Democrat Party:

......it is ...extraordinary.....the correspondence between the aims of the communist party and the aims of the Democrats.....

1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

4. . Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce



Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals



You might take a look at this one, too.
10 planks of Communist manifesto
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.



"Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street"
Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street - Shadowproof

And this:

"Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917(Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately."
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.


They didn't call it ObamaCare....




....we are now free of that inordinate fear of communism.... Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter: UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME - Address at Commencement Exercises at the University


President Barack Obama downplayed the differences between capitalism and communism, claiming that they are just “intellectual arguments.” He urged those at a town hall eventin Buenos Aires, Argentina on Wednesday to “just choose from what works.”
Obama Downplays Difference Between Capitalism, Communism [VIDEO]

See all you’re doing is speaking in generalities. You aren’t mentioning any specific policies. Also, if this comes down to a party trying to take control of government, why doesn’t that make republicans communist?

Also, copy and pasting a wall of text is not a real argument. You need to put your points in your own words.

 

[theHawk]

Do you notice how no one on the American left ever actually talks about communism or Marxism being concepts the US should embrace? For whatever reason, republicans are convinced this is the case. Why I have no idea. We certainly won’t ever talk about abolishing capitalism, specifically.

Of course they don’t talk about it. They just use their playbook and undermine the constitution at every chance possible. You are all a bunch of a authoritarians. The left will use Marxist/communist tactics as well as fascist/corporatism to enact your radical anti-American Agenda.

 

[Rigby5]

These people were not socialists or Communists. But they were generous, giving and compassionate! Many of the local Church members sold their property as needed to help fellow brothers meet their expenses in Jerusalem during this exciting time ..."

That is not really true.
All primitive tribes are always communist because they are hunter/gathers that have to share the same limited resources.
Remember that without refrigeration, you can't save food for later.

The evidence is that the Hebrew were communist sheep herders before going to Egypt, in Egypt they ate meals communally, and after leaving Egypt, they would have had to continually shared in the wilderness.

People who are "generous, giving, and compassionate" always are communist.
Communism just means pooling resources in order to be able to create a shared means of production.
Anyone generous, giving, and compassionate would have to do that.

 

[Leo123]

See all you’re doing is speaking in generalities. You aren’t mentioning any specific policies. Also, if this comes down to a party trying to take control of government, why doesn’t that make republicans communist?

Are you really that clueless? Republicans and Democrats are political parties whose representatives are voted in by The People. (at least in fair elections) Reparations is a Marxist/socialist policy for one and, I already told you many posts ago yet you still blather on about 'generalities'....I think you don't really want to address the subject actually. OR maybe you're just too busy trying to thwart the bombardment of truth being thrown at you.

 

[yidnar]

Do you notice how no one on the American left ever actually talks about communism or Marxism being concepts the US should embrace? For whatever reason, republicans are convinced this is the case. Why I have no idea. We certainly won’t ever talk about abolishing capitalism, specifically.

the left is full of socialists ! admitted socialists in congress ! and socialism is communism with training wheels .

 

[Leo123]

That is not really true.
All primitive tribes are always communist because they are hunter/gathers that have to share the same limited resources.
Remember that without refrigeration, you can't save food for later.

The evidence is that the Hebrew were communist sheep herders before going to Egypt, in Egypt they ate meals communally, and after leaving Egypt, they would have had to continually shared in the wilderness.

People who are "generous, giving, and compassionate" always are communist.
Communism just means pooling resources in order to be able to create a shared means of production.
Anyone generous, giving, and compassionate would have to do that.

Communism is responsible for millions upon millions of innocent deaths. 'Generous and giving?' Don't make me laugh.

 

[yidnar]

Do you notice how no one on the American left ever actually talks about communism or Marxism being concepts the US should embrace? For whatever reason, republicans are convinced this is the case. Why I have no idea. We certainly won’t ever talk about abolishing capitalism, specifically.

next question ...

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm not here to argue political theory.

I'm here to beat tyrants into a bloody pulp.

The closest thing we have to tyrants today, are Democrats

You're here to whine and show your goofiness.

 

[Rigby5]

Of course they don’t talk about it. They just use their playbook and undermine the constitution at every chance possible. You are all a bunch of a authoritarians. The left will use Marxist/communist tactics as well as fascist/corporatism to enact your radical anti-American Agenda.

That is obviously contradictory.
Since it is only the republicans who are profit motivated, the left has nothing at all to gain to be authoritarian or against constitutional rights.
Fascist/corporatism is exactly what the Republicans always support.

 

[Rigby5]

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Bernie Sanders has never suggested abolishing capitalism.
He just has suggested that the profit motive does not work well for things like health care.
And he is right.

 

[Rigby5]

Since when is making a profit for oneself 'fascist?' Are you a card carrying member of the Communist Party?

Making a profit for yourself is not fascist.
Fascism is when a group of people rig a system in their favor, at the expense of the majority.
For example, the US invasion of Iraq.
There was zero evidence that Saddam had any terrorist ties or was behind the 9/11 attack.
But Iraq has lots oil that US capitalists wanted.
So they lied and rigged the system to get the US to invade Iraq, murder Saddam, and steal Iraq's oil, while making huge munitions profits at the same time.
The military, wealthy elite, media, and corporations all joined into this rigged conspiracy of lies.
And obvious they did it for the profit motive, so were capitalists.

 

[Rigby5]

How is that obvious?

Because if you believe in a particular philosophy, you would constantly extol its virtues, in order to get more converts.
There is no way you could secretly believe one thing and say something else, because anyone wanting to join would then quickly see the contradiction.

 

[Leo123]

Bernie Sanders has never suggested abolishing capitalism.
He just has suggested that the profit motive does not work well for things like health care.
And he is right.

Yes it does but only if government keeps their hands off it. Medicare and Medcaid are responsible for ever rising health care costs because of over billing deep-pocket government programs. Also, Medicare/Medicaid usurp the power of doctors and patients to practice/access medicine unencumbered by government policies regarding what they can or cannot do.....or which doctor one can see, but it does. It was a socialist program at its onset giving control to central government instead of granting tax breaks to personal health savings accounts.