Project 2025

[OldFlame]

I’m asking what you fuckers LIKE about it stupid.

Specifics

Does it ban abortion or not? Simple question, let's see you answer it.

 

[Lesh]

This is a lie.
Disagree?
Cite / copy / paste the text to that effect.

Project 2025: Abortion policy

Leven is a policy consultant specializing in democracy and state and local government reform. She leverages her practical policy experience to deliver nonpartisan analysis through "This Week in Abortion," a newsletter featuring insightful reads, news updates, original analysis, and more.Although...

thefulcrum.us

 

[OldFlame]

I’m asking what you fuckers LIKE about it stupid.

Specifics

MYTHS VS. FACTS ABOUT PROJECT 2025
We are not affiliated with former President Trump. We are a coalition of more than 110 conservative groups advocating policy and personnel recommendations.

1. End no fault divorce: FALSE Divorce is not mentioned in our policy handbook, Mandate for Leadership.

2. Complete ban on abortions without exceptions: FALSE Mandate for Leadership calls for the government to comply with laws that prevent federal funding of abortion. It also calls for federal support for alternatives to abortion, including adoption.

3. Ban contraceptives: FALSE Mandate for Leadership says nothing about banning or restricting contraception.

4. Additional tax breaks for corporations and the 1%: MISLEADING Mandate for Leadership calls for LOWER taxes for ALL Americans, to stimulate economic growth and put more money in Americans’ pockets.

5. Higher taxes for the working class: FALSE Mandate for Leadership calls for LOWER taxes for ALL Americans. Individuals spend their money in more productive ways than the government does.

6. Elimination of unions and worker protections: FALSE Mandate for Leadership presents different ideas about a conservative labor policy. It calls for combatting the excesses of the Deep State’s bloated federal employee unions, which have ensured that federal employees keep their jobs even if they engage in illegal behavior or perform their jobs poorly.

7. Raise the retirement age: FALSE Raising the retirement age is nowhere advocated in Mandate for Leadership.

8. Cut Social Security: FALSE Mandate for Leadership does not advocate cutting Social Security.

9. End Affordable Care Act: FALSE Mandate for Leadership offers policy suggestions to curb the abuses of the Affordable Care Act.

10. Raise prescription drug prices: FALSE Mandate for Leadership offers proposals to lower drug prices through competition and innovation.

11. Eliminate the Department of Education: TRUE Mandate for Leadership calls for an end to the Department of Education. Since the Department was created, educational outcomes have not improved, and the American school system has increasingly fallen behind other countries. Giving more control back to state and local governments and expanding school choice would improve education outcomes for all Americans, especially underprivileged communities. Some functions of the Department would be moved to other departments including Labor, Justice, and Commerce.

12. Use public, taxpayer money for private religious schools: TRUE Americans are able to use taxpayer money to choose where they shop for groceries, attain housing, and obtain higher education. Religious schools often outperform public schools, and families should have the choice to send their children to these schools.

13. Teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools: FALSE Mandate for Leadership advocates for all educational opportunities, and for parental rights in education.

14. End free and discounted school lunch programs: FALSE Mandate for Leadership advocates that the Food and Nutrition Service be moved from the Department of Agriculture to the Department of Health and Human Services. Mandate condemns the Biden administration’s decision to threaten schools that do not comply with radical transgender policies by taking away their funding for school meals for needy students. Additionally, Mandate supports prioritizing school meal programs for those students who are truly needy, not creating an entitlement for almost all students regardless of family income levels.

15. End civil rights and DEI protections in government: MOSTLY FALSE Mandate for Leadership calls for respecting the civil rights of all Americans, including those who have been censored by the government or had it weaponized against them. Mandate advocates for the end of divisive, race-based, anti-American propaganda in the federal workforce.

16. Ban African American and gender studies in all levels of education: FALSE Mandate for Leadership does not mention African American studies or gender studies.

17. Ban books and curriculum about slavery: FALSE Mandate for Leadership does not advocate for banning books or curriculum about slavery.

18. Ending climate protections: FALSEMandate for Leadership advocates policies that will produce economic growth through abundant, affordable energy. Famers, hunters, and fishers know how to protect our environment better than D.C. bureaucrats. The Biden administration’s relentless focus on climate has made America less competitive and wasted crucial taxpayer dollars.

19. Increase Arctic drilling: TRUE The Arctic is of immense strategic importance to America. Mandate for Leadership advocates a strong pursuit of American interests in the region, through economic freedom, through ensuring free and open shipping lanes, and through the development of the vast energy resources of the Arctic.

20. Deregulate big business and the oil industry: MOSTLY TRUE America needs energy that is plentiful and affordable. Mandate for Leadership calls for an all-of-the-above energy policy that would promote the development of our domestic energy supply, and for fewer burdensome regulations for ALL businesses.

21. Promote and expedite capital punishment: TRUE The appropriateness of capital punishment divides Americans, and conservatives, of good will. Mandate for Leadership calls for the enforcement of the federal death penalty where appropriate and applicable, and recommends a future presidential administration pursue the death penalty for the most heinous crimes, including those involving violence and the sexual abuse of children, unless Congress says otherwise through legislation.

22. End marriage equality: FALSE The legal recognition of same-sex marriage is not discussed in Mandate for Leadership. Mandate calls for the protection of faith-based grant recipients who maintain support for the traditional definition of marriage. Mandate also supports conscience protections for those who do not wish to participate in same-sex marriages.

23. Condemn single mothers while promoting only “traditional families”: FALSE Mandate suggests that a future HHS Secretary replace the policies of the Biden administration that prioritize LGBTQ+ equality, subsidize single motherhood, disincentivize work, and penalize marriage with policies that instead encourage marriage, work, motherhood, fatherhood, and nuclear families.

24. Defund the FBI and Homeland Security: FALSE Mandate for Leadership supports de-weaponizing the federal government, including the FBI. Mandate’s chapter on the Department of Homeland Security advocates the legislative creation of a standalone Cabinet-level agency with a focus on the border and immigration, including U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CPB), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR), and the Office of Immigration Litigation (OIL). It also recommends that legislation be pursued to move other component parts of DHS to other agencies, including the Department of Transportation, the Department of Defense, the Department of the Treasury, and the FBI.

25. Use military to break up domestic protests: FALSE The “protests” referenced in Mandate for Leadership are protests in Iran against its anti-American leadership; and protests of parents at school board meetings in opposition to critical race theory and COVID mandates. Both protests are referenced positively. Mandate also protests the FBI’s harassment of protesting parents and condemns the arrest by armed FBI agents of a man who had protested at an abortion clinic a year earlier.

26. Mass deportation of immigrants and incarceration in “camps”: MISLEADINGMandate supports an orderly and lawful immigration system. It advocates that the Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Office of Removal Operations be primarily responsible for enforcing civil immigration regulations, including the removal of those who have violated our immigration laws. It also calls for additional resources to put an end to President Biden’s border crisis and enforce immigration laws.

27. End birthright citizenship: FALSE There is no mention of ending birthright citizenship in Mandate for Leadership.

28. Ban Muslims from entering the country: FALSE There is no mention of banning Muslims from entering the United States in Mandate for Leadership.

29. Eliminate federal agencies like the FDA, EPA, NOAA and more: FALSE Mandate for Leadership’s plan would not eliminate the FDA or the EPA, and NOAA’s functions would be transferred to other agencies, the private sector, and states and territories.

30. Continue to pack the Supreme Court and lower courts with right-wing judges: FALSE The only people calling for packing the judiciary are those on the Left, who do it every time the Supreme Court or a lower court makes decisions they don’t like.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I ask for specifics and get “characterization “
Why?

You asked:
Why don’t you explain what you think Project 2025 is then
I did exactly that.
Demonstrate my characterization to be invalid.

 

[Lesh]

You asked:
Why don’t you explain what you think Project 2025 is then
I did exactly that.
Demonstrate my characterization to be invalid.

I asked for specifics

Where are they and why is Trump shying away from this thing if it so benign?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Project 2025: Abortion policy

Leven is a policy consultant specializing in democracy and state and local government reform. She leverages her practical policy experience to deliver nonpartisan analysis through "This Week in Abortion," a newsletter featuring insightful reads, news updates, original analysis, and more.Although...

thefulcrum.us

This is not text from the project that supports your claim that project 2025 wants to make abortion illegal.
Thus: You lied.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I asked for specifics

I -quoted- what you asked.
My response is perfectly valid, and you cannot demonstrate otherwise.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Where are they and why is Trump shying away from this thing if it so benign?

Trump has his own agenda:

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As such there's no reason for him to consider Project2025.

 

[Lesh]

MYTHS VS. FACTS ABOUT PROJECT 2025
We are not affiliated with former President Trump. We are a coalition of more than 110 conservative groups advocating policy and personnel recommendations.

1. End no fault divorce: FALSE Divorce is not mentioned in our policy handbook, Mandate for Leadership.

2. Complete ban on abortions without exceptions: FALSE Mandate for Leadership calls for the government to comply with laws that prevent federal funding of abortion. It also calls for federal support for alternatives to abortion, including adoption.

3. Ban contraceptives: FALSE Mandate for Leadership says nothing about banning or restricting contraception.

4. Additional tax breaks for corporations and the 1%: MISLEADING Mandate for Leadership calls for LOWER taxes for ALL Americans, to stimulate economic growth and put more money in Americans’ pockets.

5. Higher taxes for the working class: FALSE Mandate for Leadership calls for LOWER taxes for ALL Americans. Individuals spend their money in more productive ways than the government does.

6. Elimination of unions and worker protections: FALSE Mandate for Leadership presents different ideas about a conservative labor policy. It calls for combatting the excesses of the Deep State’s bloated federal employee unions, which have ensured that federal employees keep their jobs even if they engage in illegal behavior or perform their jobs poorly.

7. Raise the retirement age: FALSE Raising the retirement age is nowhere advocated in Mandate for Leadership.

8. Cut Social Security: FALSE Mandate for Leadership does not advocate cutting Social Security.

9. End Affordable Care Act: FALSE Mandate for Leadership offers policy suggestions to curb the abuses of the Affordable Care Act.

10. Raise prescription drug prices: FALSE Mandate for Leadership offers proposals to lower drug prices through competition and innovation.

11. Eliminate the Department of Education: TRUE Mandate for Leadership calls for an end to the Department of Education. Since the Department was created, educational outcomes have not improved, and the American school system has increasingly fallen behind other countries. Giving more control back to state and local governments and expanding school choice would improve education outcomes for all Americans, especially underprivileged communities. Some functions of the Department would be moved to other departments including Labor, Justice, and Commerce.

12. Use public, taxpayer money for private religious schools: TRUE Americans are able to use taxpayer money to choose where they shop for groceries, attain housing, and obtain higher education. Religious schools often outperform public schools, and families should have the choice to send their children to these schools.

13. Teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools: FALSE Mandate for Leadership advocates for all educational opportunities, and for parental rights in education.

14. End free and discounted school lunch programs: FALSE Mandate for Leadership advocates that the Food and Nutrition Service be moved from the Department of Agriculture to the Department of Health and Human Services. Mandate condemns the Biden administration’s decision to threaten schools that do not comply with radical transgender policies by taking away their funding for school meals for needy students. Additionally, Mandate supports prioritizing school meal programs for those students who are truly needy, not creating an entitlement for almost all students regardless of family income levels.

15. End civil rights and DEI protections in government: MOSTLY FALSE Mandate for Leadership calls for respecting the civil rights of all Americans, including those who have been censored by the government or had it weaponized against them. Mandate advocates for the end of divisive, race-based, anti-American propaganda in the federal workforce.

16. Ban African American and gender studies in all levels of education: FALSE Mandate for Leadership does not mention African American studies or gender studies.

17. Ban books and curriculum about slavery: FALSE Mandate for Leadership does not advocate for banning books or curriculum about slavery.

18. Ending climate protections: FALSEMandate for Leadership advocates policies that will produce economic growth through abundant, affordable energy. Famers, hunters, and fishers know how to protect our environment better than D.C. bureaucrats. The Biden administration’s relentless focus on climate has made America less competitive and wasted crucial taxpayer dollars.

19. Increase Arctic drilling: TRUE The Arctic is of immense strategic importance to America. Mandate for Leadership advocates a strong pursuit of American interests in the region, through economic freedom, through ensuring free and open shipping lanes, and through the development of the vast energy resources of the Arctic.

20. Deregulate big business and the oil industry: MOSTLY TRUE America needs energy that is plentiful and affordable. Mandate for Leadership calls for an all-of-the-above energy policy that would promote the development of our domestic energy supply, and for fewer burdensome regulations for ALL businesses.

21. Promote and expedite capital punishment: TRUE The appropriateness of capital punishment divides Americans, and conservatives, of good will. Mandate for Leadership calls for the enforcement of the federal death penalty where appropriate and applicable, and recommends a future presidential administration pursue the death penalty for the most heinous crimes, including those involving violence and the sexual abuse of children, unless Congress says otherwise through legislation.

22. End marriage equality: FALSE The legal recognition of same-sex marriage is not discussed in Mandate for Leadership. Mandate calls for the protection of faith-based grant recipients who maintain support for the traditional definition of marriage. Mandate also supports conscience protections for those who do not wish to participate in same-sex marriages.

23. Condemn single mothers while promoting only “traditional families”: FALSE Mandate suggests that a future HHS Secretary replace the policies of the Biden administration that prioritize LGBTQ+ equality, subsidize single motherhood, disincentivize work, and penalize marriage with policies that instead encourage marriage, work, motherhood, fatherhood, and nuclear families.

24. Defund the FBI and Homeland Security: FALSE Mandate for Leadership supports de-weaponizing the federal government, including the FBI. Mandate’s chapter on the Department of Homeland Security advocates the legislative creation of a standalone Cabinet-level agency with a focus on the border and immigration, including U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CPB), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR), and the Office of Immigration Litigation (OIL). It also recommends that legislation be pursued to move other component parts of DHS to other agencies, including the Department of Transportation, the Department of Defense, the Department of the Treasury, and the FBI.

25. Use military to break up domestic protests: FALSE The “protests” referenced in Mandate for Leadership are protests in Iran against its anti-American leadership; and protests of parents at school board meetings in opposition to critical race theory and COVID mandates. Both protests are referenced positively. Mandate also protests the FBI’s harassment of protesting parents and condemns the arrest by armed FBI agents of a man who had protested at an abortion clinic a year earlier.

26. Mass deportation of immigrants and incarceration in “camps”: MISLEADINGMandate supports an orderly and lawful immigration system. It advocates that the Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Office of Removal Operations be primarily responsible for enforcing civil immigration regulations, including the removal of those who have violated our immigration laws. It also calls for additional resources to put an end to President Biden’s border crisis and enforce immigration laws.

27. End birthright citizenship: FALSE There is no mention of ending birthright citizenship in Mandate for Leadership.

28. Ban Muslims from entering the country: FALSE There is no mention of banning Muslims from entering the United States in Mandate for Leadership.

29. Eliminate federal agencies like the FDA, EPA, NOAA and more: FALSE Mandate for Leadership’s plan would not eliminate the FDA or the EPA, and NOAA’s functions would be transferred to other agencies, the private sector, and states and territories.

30. Continue to pack the Supreme Court and lower courts with right-wing judges: FALSE The only people calling for packing the judiciary are those on the Left, who do it every time the Supreme Court or a lower court makes decisions they don’t like.

Point # 3

Americans for Contraception: Sounds alarm: Trump's Project 2025 agenda threatens the right to contraception – voters demand answers

Milwaukee, WI — the Republican National Convention closes on its final day, Americans for Contraception (AFC) warns that Donald Trump’s past actions and promises for a second term, along with those of his running mate, J.D. Vance, pose a direct...

www.wispolitics.com

 

[OldFlame]

Project 2025: Abortion policy

Leven is a policy consultant specializing in democracy and state and local government reform. She leverages her practical policy experience to deliver nonpartisan analysis through "This Week in Abortion," a newsletter featuring insightful reads, news updates, original analysis, and more.Although...

thefulcrum.us

None of that bans abortion.

 

[Lesh]

On abortion and contraception

Project 2025 Would Set Women’s Rights Back Decades

The conservative plan to remake the US includes stringent restrictions on abortion and contraception and gets rid of programs that fight for gender equality.

www.glamour.com

 

[OldFlame]

Point # 3

Americans for Contraception: Sounds alarm: Trump's Project 2025 agenda threatens the right to contraception – voters demand answers

Milwaukee, WI — the Republican National Convention closes on its final day, Americans for Contraception (AFC) warns that Donald Trump’s past actions and promises for a second term, along with those of his running mate, J.D. Vance, pose a direct...

www.wispolitics.com

Your article headline is a lie, why would anyone believe anything in it?

All you do is find lies to back up your feelings, you have no clue what's in the actual document.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They want to make abortion illegal…

Why are you lying?

 

[M14 Shooter]

On abortion and contraception

Project 2025 Would Set Women’s Rights Back Decades

The conservative plan to remake the US includes stringent restrictions on abortion and contraception and gets rid of programs that fight for gender equality.

www.glamour.com

This is not text from the project that supports your claim that project 2025 wants to make abortion illegal.
Thus: You lied.

 

[Lesh]

On divorce

Threats to No-Fault Divorce and its Implications for Violence Against Women - National Organization for Women

Republicans have renewed their efforts to attack civil rights and American liberties, and now they are eyeing no-fault divorce. Conservatives have begun engaging in concerning rhetoric around no-fault divorce, arguing that it is unconstitutional or against the Christian conception of marriage...

now.org

 

[OldFlame]

On abortion and contraception

Project 2025 Would Set Women’s Rights Back Decades

The conservative plan to remake the US includes stringent restrictions on abortion and contraception and gets rid of programs that fight for gender equality.

www.glamour.com

Glamour...

 

[OldFlame]

On divorce

Threats to No-Fault Divorce and its Implications for Violence Against Women - National Organization for Women

Republicans have renewed their efforts to attack civil rights and American liberties, and now they are eyeing no-fault divorce. Conservatives have begun engaging in concerning rhetoric around no-fault divorce, arguing that it is unconstitutional or against the Christian conception of marriage...

now.org

Now.org?

 

[M14 Shooter]

On divorce

Threats to No-Fault Divorce and its Implications for Violence Against Women - National Organization for Women

Republicans have renewed their efforts to attack civil rights and American liberties, and now they are eyeing no-fault divorce. Conservatives have begun engaging in concerning rhetoric around no-fault divorce, arguing that it is unconstitutional or against the Christian conception of marriage...

now.org

All you do is find lies to back up your feelings, you have no clue what's in the actual document.

 

[Lesh]

Forbes

An overall look at it

Project 2025 Explained: What To Know About The Controversial Right-Wing Policy Map For Trump—As He Speaks At RNC

Project 2025 would severely restrict abortion pills, abolish federal agencies, block climate change research, end student loan forgiveness and more.

www.forbes.com

 

[Lesh]

These two cretins seem to love it

Trump and his people want nothing to do with it… publicly