Why Does Trump Face Felony Charges? What is a felony 101

[Mac-7]

The jury now hears the complex charges: Trump faces 34 counts of falsifying business records to conceal a second crime, a conspiracy to aid an election by unlawful means. The options for those unlawful means include several other crimes.

What is the 2nd crime?

 

[Mac-7]

Listed. Dealt with.

It should be a crime to beta a dead horse.

See post #81

Without the alleged 2nd crime no felony exists

So what is the 2nd crime?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The underlying crime does not have to be listed in the indictment. That is a NY state rule.

In court, the other crimes were put forth. You just choose to ignore the truth.

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yeah, were suggesting a political third world election interference opp should be stopped. Doc7505 negging again

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This trial was the first time I learned about this facet of NY law, I don’t understand how it remotely fits with the Constitution

 

[Dante]

What is the 2nd crime?

Listed. Dealt with.

It should be a crime to beta a dead horse.

 

[Dante]

This trial was the first time I learned about this facet of NY law, I don’t understand how it remotely fits with the Constitution

It doesn't rise to that. It's a state issue.

 

[Mac-7]

Listed. Dealt with.

It should be a crime to beta a dead horse.

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Its too bad we cant have an honest conversation

You obviously cant name a second crime but refuse to admit it

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It doesn't rise to that. It's a state issue.

Um, it’s a State issue that contradicts the Constitution. The defendant should know what he’s charged with. It’s the judicial version of “pass the Bill to find out what’s in it”, find him guilty then we’ll tell you the charges

 

[Dante]

Um, it’s a State issue that contradicts the Constitution. The defendant should know what he’s charged with. It’s the judicial version of “pass the Bill to find out what’s in it”, find him guilty then we’ll tell you the charges

It does not contradict anything. The indictment and filings mentioned other crimes. It's complicated for most people to grasp simply because it is wrapped up in legalese.

A post I made:

But what is the other crime? Here is where the case gets shaky. In court filings, the prosecution has argued that Trump was attempting to commit or conceal federal and state election law crimes, along with state tax crimes. The election law theory has real weaknesses, however. While I’ve long believed the hush-money scheme violated federal criminal law, I also recognize that the underlying legal theory has not been fully tested.

Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and fixer, pleaded guilty to federal crimes in connection with this same scheme, but a guilty plea doesn’t have the same value as a court precedent. There isn’t clear federal precedent on the matter, and no federal charges have been brought against Trump on these grounds, by the Department of Justice under either Trump or President Biden. In addition, the state election law that the prosecution cites may well be pre-empted by federal law and therefore be inapplicable to the case.

Trump's misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies...if the jury believes

People here at usmb and elsewhere have been arguing over and over again "what other crime?" -- yet when the other crime is mentioned they've ignored it completely. But in the courtroom the facts can't so easily be ignored. The jury is being reminded by the prosecution team over and over again...

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[Dante]

Its too bad we cant have an honest conversation

You obviously cant name a second crime but refuse to admit it

You can't have one if you keep lying through omission and worse. Over and over again I tell you it's been dealt with.


"What is the Crime???" a member asked in a thread. "Can anyone give a Lucid Explanation of Bragg's alleged "another crime?"" asked yet another member. Each time the "other crime" is mentioned or listed, it either goes ignored or it is incoherently attacked.

Davide French, a NYT reporter who is not a fan of Mr. Trump, questions the validity of the prosecution's case of this other crime, showing it's possible to do so without resorting to cultist denials and obfuscation.

But what is the other crime? Here is where the case gets shaky. In court filings, the prosecution has argued that Trump was attempting to commit or conceal federal and state election law crimes, along with state tax crimes. The election law theory has real weaknesses, however. While I’ve long believed the hush-money scheme violated federal criminal law, I also recognize that the underlying legal theory has not been fully tested.

Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and fixer, pleaded guilty to federal crimes in connection with this same scheme, but a guilty plea doesn’t have the same value as a court precedent. There isn’t clear federal precedent on the matter, and no federal charges have been brought against Trump on these grounds, by the Department of Justice under either Trump or President Biden. In addition, the state election law that the prosecution cites may well be pre-empted by federal law and therefore be inapplicable to the case.

Trump's misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies...if the jury believes

People here at usmb and elsewhere have been arguing over and over again "what other crime?" -- yet when the other crime is mentioned they've ignored it completely. But in the courtroom the facts can't so easily be ignored. The jury is being reminded by the prosecution team over and over again...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Vastator]

It does not contradict anything. The indictment and filings mentioned other crimes. It's complicated for most people to grasp simply because it is wrapped up in legalese.

A post I made:

But what is the other crime? Here is where the case gets shaky. In court filings, the prosecution has argued that Trump was attempting to commit or conceal federal and state election law crimes, along with state tax crimes. The election law theory has real weaknesses, however. While I’ve long believed the hush-money scheme violated federal criminal law, I also recognize that the underlying legal theory has not been fully tested.

Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and fixer, pleaded guilty to federal crimes in connection with this same scheme, but a guilty plea doesn’t have the same value as a court precedent. There isn’t clear federal precedent on the matter, and no federal charges have been brought against Trump on these grounds, by the Department of Justice under either Trump or President Biden. In addition, the state election law that the prosecution cites may well be pre-empted by federal law and therefore be inapplicable to the case.

Trump's misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies...if the jury believes

People here at usmb and elsewhere have been arguing over and over again "what other crime?" -- yet when the other crime is mentioned they've ignored it completely. But in the courtroom the facts can't so easily be ignored. The jury is being reminded by the prosecution team over and over again...

www.usmessageboard.com

So you're now undercutting your previous stance..?

 

[Dante]

So you're now undercutting your previous stance..?

Nope.

 

[Mac-7]

You can't have one if you keep lying through omission and worse. Over and over again I tell you it's been dealt with.


"What is the Crime???" a member asked in a thread. "Can anyone give a Lucid Explanation of Bragg's alleged "another crime?"" asked yet another member. Each time the "other crime" is mentioned or listed, it either goes ignored or it is incoherently attacked.

Davide French, a NYT reporter who is not a fan of Mr. Trump, questions the validity of the prosecution's case of this other crime, showing it's possible to do so without resorting to cultist denials and obfuscation.

But what is the other crime? Here is where the case gets shaky. In court filings, the prosecution has argued that Trump was attempting to commit or conceal federal and state election law crimes, along with state tax crimes. The election law theory has real weaknesses, however. While I’ve long believed the hush-money scheme violated federal criminal law, I also recognize that the underlying legal theory has not been fully tested.

Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and fixer, pleaded guilty to federal crimes in connection with this same scheme, but a guilty plea doesn’t have the same value as a court precedent. There isn’t clear federal precedent on the matter, and no federal charges have been brought against Trump on these grounds, by the Department of Justice under either Trump or President Biden. In addition, the state election law that the prosecution cites may well be pre-empted by federal law and therefore be inapplicable to the case.

Trump's misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies...if the jury believes

People here at usmb and elsewhere have been arguing over and over again "what other crime?" -- yet when the other crime is mentioned they've ignored it completely. But in the courtroom the facts can't so easily be ignored. The jury is being reminded by the prosecution team over and over again...

www.usmessageboard.com

You can't have one if you keep lying through omission and worse. Over and over again I tell you it's been dealt with.

You and other anti trumpers keep repeating that he is a convicted felon

So when you do we’re going to ask

Because we understand there was no 2nd crime

 

[mudwhistle]

Listed. Dealt with.

It should be a crime to beta a dead horse.

What does "beta a dead horse" mean???

 

[Dante]

You can't have one if you keep lying through omission and worse. Over and over again I tell you it's been dealt with.

You and other anti trumpers keep repeating that he is a convicted felon

So when you do we’re going to ask

Because we understand there was no 2nd crime

"In court filings, the prosecution has argued that Trump was attempting to commit or conceal federal and state election law crimes, along with state tax crimes."

court filing:

People v. Trump - Prosecution's Opposition to Defense Motion

Court papers filed by prosecutors in November 2023 opposing a motion by Donald Trump's lawyers that seeks to dismiss the former president's New York hush-money criminal case. Judge Juan Manuel Merchan is expected to rule at a hearing on Feb. 15, 2024.

www.documentcloud.org

 

[Dante]

What does "beta a dead horse" mean???

something like this:

"In court filings, the prosecution has argued that Trump was attempting to commit or conceal federal and state election law crimes, along with state tax crimes."

court filing:

People v. Trump - Prosecution's Opposition to Defense Motion

Court papers filed by prosecutors in November 2023 opposing a motion by Donald Trump's lawyers that seeks to dismiss the former president's New York hush-money criminal case. Judge Juan Manuel Merchan is expected to rule at a hearing on Feb. 15, 2024.

www.documentcloud.org

 

[mudwhistle]

It doesn't rise to that. It's a state issue.

When did Trump run for state office?

The judge or Biden's henchmen, will claim that Trump used this document error to steal the 2016 election.

I'd bet my paycheck on it.





First time I can think of that paying off a whore is a threat to Democracy!!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Dante]

When did Trump run for state office?

The judge or Biden's henchmen, will claim that Trump used this document error to steal the 2016 election.

I'd bet my paycheck on it.

"In court filings, the prosecution has argued that Trump was attempting to commit or conceal federal and state election law crimes, along with state tax crimes."

court filing:

People v. Trump - Prosecution's Opposition to Defense Motion

Court papers filed by prosecutors in November 2023 opposing a motion by Donald Trump's lawyers that seeks to dismiss the former president's New York hush-money criminal case. Judge Juan Manuel Merchan is expected to rule at a hearing on Feb. 15, 2024.

www.documentcloud.org

 

[mudwhistle]

"In court filings, the prosecution has argued that Trump was attempting to commit or conceal federal and state election law crimes, along with state tax crimes."

court filing:

People v. Trump - Prosecution's Opposition to Defense Motion

Court papers filed by prosecutors in November 2023 opposing a motion by Donald Trump's lawyers that seeks to dismiss the former president's New York hush-money criminal case. Judge Juan Manuel Merchan is expected to rule at a hearing on Feb. 15, 2024.

www.documentcloud.org

Yet they never proved Jack Squat.

They can claim that Trump shot JFK, but they have to prove it in court.

The burden of proof is with the prosecution.

I don't give a God Damn about their fake accusations.

 

[Mac-7]

"In court filings, the prosecution has argued that Trump was attempting to commit or conceal federal and state election law crimes, along with state tax crimes."

court filing:

People v. Trump - Prosecution's Opposition to Defense Motion

Court papers filed by prosecutors in November 2023 opposing a motion by Donald Trump's lawyers that seeks to dismiss the former president's New York hush-money criminal case. Judge Juan Manuel Merchan is expected to rule at a hearing on Feb. 15, 2024.

www.documentcloud.org

Trump used his own money and was not charged or convicted of any election misconduct

But if he had been it was not a felony crime

 

[Dante]

Trump used his own money and was not charged or convicted of any election misconduct

But if he had been it was not a felony crime

Wrong.