Why I don't believe in God

Belgium just got another taste of your moral relativism.
weathermann if you suggest that religion had no part in this your a bigger asshole then i thaught. It is like I stated only a religious person would be able to think, killing inocent ppl and yourself makes you some kind of hero. Just like that crazy shooter in that planned parenthood clinic thaught he was serving your precious Jesus.
So you lump Christianity and Islam together as being morally equivalent.
You're delusional.
that planned parenthood guy was christian. It gave him the moral excuse to do what he did.
Oh, so now we are back to finding individuals in history who prove the other 50 billion are murderers/
You're just an ignoramus, have a good day.
I can equate quite a few more,or are you really gonna say that an enormous amount of ppl have not been killed in the name of cristianity? Btw you stated that if the German ppl would have not killed the jews if they would have followed the christian way. What do you think the root of all antisemetism is. The belief that jews killed Jesus and should be punished for that deed. Gettos and wholesale slaughter aren't an invention of the NAZI's. They just took it up a notch. Germany didn't slaugther jews despite their Christianity they slaughtered them because of it.

Of course they have, and all religions are basically the same. Christians in our country for the most part are more "moderate" but that's because they CANNOT force their views upon the rest of us who don't follow their beliefs. Look at places like Africa where the Christians and Muslims are pretty much the same. They slaughter each other all the time, over a fairy tale. Unbelievable.
 
Now back to my original question from days ago - what's the downside to believing in Jesus?


“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me".



not that Jesus ever said those words but the risk is throughout the bible for anyone to believe the fallacies that distort the Spirits path to accomplish Admission to the Everlasting.

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1+1=2. You lose.

No, you lose. As I said, you're not smart enough to grasp this.

"1+1=2" is simply an equation we use to determine a result we believe. Many things have to be assumed. You've not defined absolutely what "one" is... what "two" is... what is meant by "equal" or what is meant by "plus." All of these have to be defined as we believe we know them. Does 1+1 always equal 2, or sometimes, can 2x1=2? Or 3-1=2? Or 1.5+.5? -- As you can see, 2 may not always equal 1+1. And again... One what? How about an electron? What if I told you, at the subatomic level, 1 electron + 1 electron could = 3 electrons? Or 1 electron? Or no electrons? And it might only depend on whether you are observing them.

You want to throw out another example of something we THINK we know?

Dear Mudda and Boss
I would say that defining GOD to be something that exists
is like assigning the term 4 to the quantity: * * * *
It is the TERM people AGREE to use for * * * *

Religions are like arguing is GOD arrived at by stating
2+2=4
2X2=4
1+1+1+1=4
2^2=4
etc. (NOTE: even though all these are correct, they are NOT THE SAME.
adding 1+1+1+1 to get 4 is NOT the same as taking 2^2 to get to 4.
And a lot of fights in religion are because there are differences,
and people argue you can't just treat all these ways as the same because they aren't.)

All these are right ways of saying * * * *
but they are all different ways of expressing the relationships
between different components that all add up to * * * *
defined as 4.

Someone else using Binary may express 4 differently.
Or someone may use marks in the sand | | | |

What we could do to avoid bickering over terms and analogies
is try to stick to the Principles Concepts Relations or Essence of
what we MEAN by "God" "Jesus" "sin" etc.spell these out in
natural terms what we are trying to talk about, and then we might
be able to discuss those things, and if we agree or not on the
NATURE of life, love, truth, wisdom, justice, universal laws, good will
or whatever else we mean by GOD in a specific context.

Good day and please focus on nitpicking for the purpose of
resolution and reaching agreement, not for the purpose of rejection
and obstruction. Criticism and correction is good, and much needed,
if we are going to pinpoint where we can actually communicate and agree. And not just play Devil's advocate to discredit or strike someone down. Why not focus on the universal points we want to build up upon?
I guess you haven't figured out by now that Boss is a retard. :D

NO, not at ALL.
Boss is a highly discerning very sensitive and intelligent articulate contributor in these discussions. May have a bit of an edge or ego that rubs against others with the same. That comes with the territory when you think for yourself and push for higher discernment and understanding among peers, it's going to get aggressive and pushy, defensive and a bit emotional where toes and turf are stepped on.

That's normal when discussing religion and politics!

I respect Boss and can forgive that slightly negative rejecting edge.
I can still work with Boss to the degree that Boss will work with me.

Being pushy and standing for what is consistent and what makes sense to you is absolutely necessary to carry these discussions and debates to their rightful conclusion.

I say go for it, we need more people willing to push like Boss is.
And just be okay with the process and not freak out and call names to release the pressure it creates throwing everyone's beliefs and opinions in one huge stew to sort out. Of course it's going to look crazy, but as long as the people involved are committed to making sense and resolving every last conflict or objection, hey, we can hash it all out!

I say Hooray for people like Boss sealybobo Derideo_Te numan orogenicman Inevitable M.D. Rawlings willing to push the envelope and keep asking questions until we pinpoint specific answers. If we are going to disagree, let's find out where and why instead of just calling the other person shortsighted, ignorant or wrong and leaving the issues unsettled.
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
 
No, you lose. As I said, you're not smart enough to grasp this.

"1+1=2" is simply an equation we use to determine a result we believe. Many things have to be assumed. You've not defined absolutely what "one" is... what "two" is... what is meant by "equal" or what is meant by "plus." All of these have to be defined as we believe we know them. Does 1+1 always equal 2, or sometimes, can 2x1=2? Or 3-1=2? Or 1.5+.5? -- As you can see, 2 may not always equal 1+1. And again... One what? How about an electron? What if I told you, at the subatomic level, 1 electron + 1 electron could = 3 electrons? Or 1 electron? Or no electrons? And it might only depend on whether you are observing them.

You want to throw out another example of something we THINK we know?

Dear Mudda and Boss
I would say that defining GOD to be something that exists
is like assigning the term 4 to the quantity: * * * *
It is the TERM people AGREE to use for * * * *

Religions are like arguing is GOD arrived at by stating
2+2=4
2X2=4
1+1+1+1=4
2^2=4
etc. (NOTE: even though all these are correct, they are NOT THE SAME.
adding 1+1+1+1 to get 4 is NOT the same as taking 2^2 to get to 4.
And a lot of fights in religion are because there are differences,
and people argue you can't just treat all these ways as the same because they aren't.)

All these are right ways of saying * * * *
but they are all different ways of expressing the relationships
between different components that all add up to * * * *
defined as 4.

Someone else using Binary may express 4 differently.
Or someone may use marks in the sand | | | |

What we could do to avoid bickering over terms and analogies
is try to stick to the Principles Concepts Relations or Essence of
what we MEAN by "God" "Jesus" "sin" etc.spell these out in
natural terms what we are trying to talk about, and then we might
be able to discuss those things, and if we agree or not on the
NATURE of life, love, truth, wisdom, justice, universal laws, good will
or whatever else we mean by GOD in a specific context.

Good day and please focus on nitpicking for the purpose of
resolution and reaching agreement, not for the purpose of rejection
and obstruction. Criticism and correction is good, and much needed,
if we are going to pinpoint where we can actually communicate and agree. And not just play Devil's advocate to discredit or strike someone down. Why not focus on the universal points we want to build up upon?
I guess you haven't figured out by now that Boss is a retard. :D

NO, not at ALL.
Boss is a highly discerning very sensitive and intelligent articulate contributor in these discussions. May have a bit of an edge or ego that rubs against others with the same. That comes with the territory when you think for yourself and push for higher discernment and understanding among peers, it's going to get aggressive and pushy, defensive and a bit emotional where toes and turf are stepped on.

That's normal when discussing religion and politics!

I respect Boss and can forgive that slightly negative rejecting edge.
I can still work with Boss to the degree that Boss will work with me.

Being pushy and standing for what is consistent and what makes sense to you is absolutely necessary to carry these discussions and debates to their rightful conclusion.

I say go for it, we need more people willing to push like Boss is.
And just be okay with the process and not freak out and call names to release the pressure it creates throwing everyone's beliefs and opinions in one huge stew to sort out. Of course it's going to look crazy, but as long as the people involved are committed to making sense and resolving every last conflict or objection, hey, we can hash it all out!

I say Hooray for people like Boss sealybobo Derideo_Te numan orogenicman Inevitable M.D. Rawlings willing to push the envelope and keep asking questions until we pinpoint specific answers. If we are going to disagree, let's find out where and why instead of just calling the other person shortsighted, ignorant or wrong and leaving the issues unsettled.
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.
 
Dear Mudda and Boss
I would say that defining GOD to be something that exists
is like assigning the term 4 to the quantity: * * * *
It is the TERM people AGREE to use for * * * *

Religions are like arguing is GOD arrived at by stating
2+2=4
2X2=4
1+1+1+1=4
2^2=4
etc. (NOTE: even though all these are correct, they are NOT THE SAME.
adding 1+1+1+1 to get 4 is NOT the same as taking 2^2 to get to 4.
And a lot of fights in religion are because there are differences,
and people argue you can't just treat all these ways as the same because they aren't.)

All these are right ways of saying * * * *
but they are all different ways of expressing the relationships
between different components that all add up to * * * *
defined as 4.

Someone else using Binary may express 4 differently.
Or someone may use marks in the sand | | | |

What we could do to avoid bickering over terms and analogies
is try to stick to the Principles Concepts Relations or Essence of
what we MEAN by "God" "Jesus" "sin" etc.spell these out in
natural terms what we are trying to talk about, and then we might
be able to discuss those things, and if we agree or not on the
NATURE of life, love, truth, wisdom, justice, universal laws, good will
or whatever else we mean by GOD in a specific context.

Good day and please focus on nitpicking for the purpose of
resolution and reaching agreement, not for the purpose of rejection
and obstruction. Criticism and correction is good, and much needed,
if we are going to pinpoint where we can actually communicate and agree. And not just play Devil's advocate to discredit or strike someone down. Why not focus on the universal points we want to build up upon?
I guess you haven't figured out by now that Boss is a retard. :D

NO, not at ALL.
Boss is a highly discerning very sensitive and intelligent articulate contributor in these discussions. May have a bit of an edge or ego that rubs against others with the same. That comes with the territory when you think for yourself and push for higher discernment and understanding among peers, it's going to get aggressive and pushy, defensive and a bit emotional where toes and turf are stepped on.

That's normal when discussing religion and politics!

I respect Boss and can forgive that slightly negative rejecting edge.
I can still work with Boss to the degree that Boss will work with me.

Being pushy and standing for what is consistent and what makes sense to you is absolutely necessary to carry these discussions and debates to their rightful conclusion.

I say go for it, we need more people willing to push like Boss is.
And just be okay with the process and not freak out and call names to release the pressure it creates throwing everyone's beliefs and opinions in one huge stew to sort out. Of course it's going to look crazy, but as long as the people involved are committed to making sense and resolving every last conflict or objection, hey, we can hash it all out!

I say Hooray for people like Boss sealybobo Derideo_Te numan orogenicman Inevitable M.D. Rawlings willing to push the envelope and keep asking questions until we pinpoint specific answers. If we are going to disagree, let's find out where and why instead of just calling the other person shortsighted, ignorant or wrong and leaving the issues unsettled.
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.

Emily is very smart, kind and funny. She just over analyzes things sometimes.
 
Dear Mudda and Boss
I would say that defining GOD to be something that exists
is like assigning the term 4 to the quantity: * * * *
It is the TERM people AGREE to use for * * * *

Religions are like arguing is GOD arrived at by stating
2+2=4
2X2=4
1+1+1+1=4
2^2=4
etc. (NOTE: even though all these are correct, they are NOT THE SAME.
adding 1+1+1+1 to get 4 is NOT the same as taking 2^2 to get to 4.
And a lot of fights in religion are because there are differences,
and people argue you can't just treat all these ways as the same because they aren't.)

All these are right ways of saying * * * *
but they are all different ways of expressing the relationships
between different components that all add up to * * * *
defined as 4.

Someone else using Binary may express 4 differently.
Or someone may use marks in the sand | | | |

What we could do to avoid bickering over terms and analogies
is try to stick to the Principles Concepts Relations or Essence of
what we MEAN by "God" "Jesus" "sin" etc.spell these out in
natural terms what we are trying to talk about, and then we might
be able to discuss those things, and if we agree or not on the
NATURE of life, love, truth, wisdom, justice, universal laws, good will
or whatever else we mean by GOD in a specific context.

Good day and please focus on nitpicking for the purpose of
resolution and reaching agreement, not for the purpose of rejection
and obstruction. Criticism and correction is good, and much needed,
if we are going to pinpoint where we can actually communicate and agree. And not just play Devil's advocate to discredit or strike someone down. Why not focus on the universal points we want to build up upon?
I guess you haven't figured out by now that Boss is a retard. :D

NO, not at ALL.
Boss is a highly discerning very sensitive and intelligent articulate contributor in these discussions. May have a bit of an edge or ego that rubs against others with the same. That comes with the territory when you think for yourself and push for higher discernment and understanding among peers, it's going to get aggressive and pushy, defensive and a bit emotional where toes and turf are stepped on.

That's normal when discussing religion and politics!

I respect Boss and can forgive that slightly negative rejecting edge.
I can still work with Boss to the degree that Boss will work with me.

Being pushy and standing for what is consistent and what makes sense to you is absolutely necessary to carry these discussions and debates to their rightful conclusion.

I say go for it, we need more people willing to push like Boss is.
And just be okay with the process and not freak out and call names to release the pressure it creates throwing everyone's beliefs and opinions in one huge stew to sort out. Of course it's going to look crazy, but as long as the people involved are committed to making sense and resolving every last conflict or objection, hey, we can hash it all out!

I say Hooray for people like Boss sealybobo Derideo_Te numan orogenicman Inevitable M.D. Rawlings willing to push the envelope and keep asking questions until we pinpoint specific answers. If we are going to disagree, let's find out where and why instead of just calling the other person shortsighted, ignorant or wrong and leaving the issues unsettled.
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.
You're butt-hurt because I make you look foolish on every topic.
 
I guess you haven't figured out by now that Boss is a retard. :D

NO, not at ALL.
Boss is a highly discerning very sensitive and intelligent articulate contributor in these discussions. May have a bit of an edge or ego that rubs against others with the same. That comes with the territory when you think for yourself and push for higher discernment and understanding among peers, it's going to get aggressive and pushy, defensive and a bit emotional where toes and turf are stepped on.

That's normal when discussing religion and politics!

I respect Boss and can forgive that slightly negative rejecting edge.
I can still work with Boss to the degree that Boss will work with me.

Being pushy and standing for what is consistent and what makes sense to you is absolutely necessary to carry these discussions and debates to their rightful conclusion.

I say go for it, we need more people willing to push like Boss is.
And just be okay with the process and not freak out and call names to release the pressure it creates throwing everyone's beliefs and opinions in one huge stew to sort out. Of course it's going to look crazy, but as long as the people involved are committed to making sense and resolving every last conflict or objection, hey, we can hash it all out!

I say Hooray for people like Boss sealybobo Derideo_Te numan orogenicman Inevitable M.D. Rawlings willing to push the envelope and keep asking questions until we pinpoint specific answers. If we are going to disagree, let's find out where and why instead of just calling the other person shortsighted, ignorant or wrong and leaving the issues unsettled.
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.

Emily is very smart, kind and funny. She just over analyzes things sometimes.
I bet she dribbles on herself as well. :D
 
I guess you haven't figured out by now that Boss is a retard. :D

NO, not at ALL.
Boss is a highly discerning very sensitive and intelligent articulate contributor in these discussions. May have a bit of an edge or ego that rubs against others with the same. That comes with the territory when you think for yourself and push for higher discernment and understanding among peers, it's going to get aggressive and pushy, defensive and a bit emotional where toes and turf are stepped on.

That's normal when discussing religion and politics!

I respect Boss and can forgive that slightly negative rejecting edge.
I can still work with Boss to the degree that Boss will work with me.

Being pushy and standing for what is consistent and what makes sense to you is absolutely necessary to carry these discussions and debates to their rightful conclusion.

I say go for it, we need more people willing to push like Boss is.
And just be okay with the process and not freak out and call names to release the pressure it creates throwing everyone's beliefs and opinions in one huge stew to sort out. Of course it's going to look crazy, but as long as the people involved are committed to making sense and resolving every last conflict or objection, hey, we can hash it all out!

I say Hooray for people like Boss sealybobo Derideo_Te numan orogenicman Inevitable M.D. Rawlings willing to push the envelope and keep asking questions until we pinpoint specific answers. If we are going to disagree, let's find out where and why instead of just calling the other person shortsighted, ignorant or wrong and leaving the issues unsettled.
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.
You're butt-hurt because I make you look foolish on every topic.
You still never showed any proof for your electricity god. I'm still waiting...
 
John 14:6

The Way, the Truth, and the Life

Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."…

That phrase means different things to different believers.

The meaning that makes the most sense to me is that "The Christ", which id consciousness inseparable from the divine) is the way, (the path of practice) the truth, (how things truly are) and the life (the living presence of "God" moment to moment.)
 
John 14:6

The Way, the Truth, and the Life

Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."…

That phrase means different things to different believers.

The meaning that makes the most sense to me is that "The Christ", which id consciousness inseparable from the divine) is the way, (the path of practice) the truth, (how things truly are) and the life (the living presence of "God" moment to moment.)
So that's why you don't believe in god? Or are you just lost?
 
John 14:6

The Way, the Truth, and the Life

Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."…

That phrase means different things to different believers.

The meaning that makes the most sense to me is that "The Christ", which id consciousness inseparable from the divine) is the way, (the path of practice) the truth, (how things truly are) and the life (the living presence of "God" moment to moment.)
.
which id consciousness inseparable from the divine) is the way,

I'm not sure why you would chose the word inseparable, it coincides with my objection that everyone's Spirit is of their own making that should by its own merit be rewarded rather than relying on another's.


“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me".



the "me" appears anything but generic in the setting it is placed in ... the bible goes to far in demanding obedience to written text there was no physical foundation provided for by its participants verifying authenticity.

.
 
NO, not at ALL.
Boss is a highly discerning very sensitive and intelligent articulate contr
ibutor in these discussions. May have a bit of an edge or ego that rubs against others with the same. That comes with the territory when you think for yourself and push for higher discernment and understanding among peers, it's going to get aggressive and pushy, defensive and a bit emotional where toes and turf are stepped on.

That's normal when discussing religion and politics!

I respect Boss and can forgive that slightly negative rejecting edge.
I can still work with Boss to the degree that Boss will work with me.

Being pushy and standing for what is consistent and what makes sense to you is absolutely necessary to carry these discussions and debates to their rightful conclusion.

I say go for it, we need more people willing to push like Boss is.
And just be okay with the process and not freak out and call names to release the pressure it creates throwing everyone's beliefs and opinions in one huge stew to sort out. Of course it's going to look crazy, but as long as the people involved are committed to making sense and resolving every last conflict or objection, hey, we can hash it all out!

I say Hooray for people like Boss sealybobo Derideo_Te numan orogenicman Inevitable M.D. Rawlings willing to push the envelope and keep asking questions until we pinpoint specific answers. If we are going to disagree, let's find out where and why instead of just calling the other person shortsighted, ignorant or wrong and leaving the issues unsettled.
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.

Emily is very smart, kind and funny. She just over analyzes things sometimes.
I bet she dribbles on herself as well. :D

What do you have against Emily? Even if I might not agree with her, she has been very civil. I happen to like Emily.
 
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.

Emily is very smart, kind and funny. She just over analyzes things sometimes.
I bet she dribbles on herself as well. :D

What do you have against Emily? Even if I might not agree with her, she has been very civil. I happen to like Emily.
Anyone who anyone who thinks that bossy has even one milligram of sense must be a retard. Plus, she's a massive blowhard.
 
Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.

Emily is very smart, kind and funny. She just over analyzes things sometimes.
I bet she dribbles on herself as well. :D

What do you have against Emily? Even if I might not agree with her, she has been very civil. I happen to like Emily.
Anyone who anyone who thinks that bossy has even one milligram of sense must be a retard. Plus, she's a massive blowhard.
NO, not at ALL.
Boss is a highly discerning very sensitive and intelligent articulate contributor in these discussions. May have a bit of an edge or ego that rubs against others with the same. That comes with the territory when you think for yourself and push for higher discernment and understanding among peers, it's going to get aggressive and pushy, defensive and a bit emotional where toes and turf are stepped on.

That's normal when discussing religion and politics!

I respect Boss and can forgive that slightly negative rejecting edge.
I can still work with Boss to the degree that Boss will work with me.

Being pushy and standing for what is consistent and what makes sense to you is absolutely necessary to carry these discussions and debates to their rightful conclusion.

I say go for it, we need more people willing to push like Boss is.
And just be okay with the process and not freak out and call names to release the pressure it creates throwing everyone's beliefs and opinions in one huge stew to sort out. Of course it's going to look crazy, but as long as the people involved are committed to making sense and resolving every last conflict or objection, hey, we can hash it all out!

I say Hooray for people like Boss sealybobo Derideo_Te numan orogenicman Inevitable M.D. Rawlings willing to push the envelope and keep asking questions until we pinpoint specific answers. If we are going to disagree, let's find out where and why instead of just calling the other person shortsighted, ignorant or wrong and leaving the issues unsettled.
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.
You're butt-hurt because I make you look foolish on every topic.
You still never showed any proof for your electricity god. I'm still waiting...

Dear Mudda
You can see demonstrations of how NATURE works
by looking into Spiritual Healing and getting a grasp of the process.

The more we forgive, we open our minds bodies and relations to HEALING
and healthy flow of energy.
The more we refuse to forgive we obstruct the natural process
and connections with NEGATIVE blockages.
and this allows conflicts, disease, abuse and additions to escalate.

When you see the 'cause and effect' of both the
* negative actions reaping negative consequences
* positive actions reaping positive consequences
then you can see GOD or NATURE at work.

This is the "proof' i would offer to demonstrate
that whatever you call God's laws, or the laws of science or nature,
these work UNIVERSALLY for all people regardless of faith or no faith.

The process works the same.
So this is consistent with both
believers who relate to God as PERSONAL spiritual and
secular nontheists who see universal laws as IMPERSONAL.

The laws hold true regardless if people take a theistic or nontheistic approach
to framing it, seeing and saying these things.

the underlying LAWS and spiritual/natural process are still the same,
independent of what religious or scientific language we might use to DESCRIBE
those laws and processes going on naturally.
 
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.

Emily is very smart, kind and funny. She just over analyzes things sometimes.
I bet she dribbles on herself as well. :D

What do you have against Emily? Even if I might not agree with her, she has been very civil. I happen to like Emily.
Anyone who anyone who thinks that bossy has even one milligram of sense must be a retard. Plus, she's a massive blowhard.
You must be a retard as well. Got it. Thanks.

Dear Mudda what is so retarded about anything I said?
If we approach human social conflicts as we do math or science,
we can isolate and resolve where contradictions are coming from.

We just have to have patience and commitment to work it through,
just like finding solutions in other fields, like science and medicine.
If one thing doesn't fix it, then there must be a deeper cause or a better solution. so by trial and error we can eventually fix all the problems that can be prevented.

Can you tell me what is so "retarded" about that?
Most people who get what I'm saying would tell me
I'm far ahead of most people. I'm ready to work together
to fix problems, but most people are still fearful, angry, or too distressed and just not ready to jump into solutions where everyone works in teams to solve the world's problems.

I think the people organizing TED conferences are ready for solutions.
The people making things happen in groups they organize online.

What is wrong with working smarter?
Instead of wasting resources bullying and undercutting others,
why not invest our time, energy, focus and resources
directly into building sustainable solutions?

How is that retarded Mudda
If anything maybe humanity is a bit socially retarded
if we are still struggling to figure out how to
best use our resources.
Bossy is a blowhard (like you) and a fucking moron. Anyone who can't see that has big problems. Like you.
You're butt-hurt because I make you look foolish on every topic.
You still never showed any proof for your electricity god. I'm still waiting...

Dear Mudda
You can see demonstrations of how NATURE works
by looking into Spiritual Healing and getting a grasp of the process.

The more we forgive, we open our minds bodies and relations to HEALING
and healthy flow of energy.
The more we refuse to forgive we obstruct the natural process
and connections with NEGATIVE blockages.
and this allows conflicts, disease, abuse and additions to escalate.

When you see the 'cause and effect' of both the
* negative actions reaping negative consequences
* positive actions reaping positive consequences
then you can see GOD or NATURE at work.

This is the "proof' i would offer to demonstrate
that whatever you call God's laws, or the laws of science or nature,
these work UNIVERSALLY for all people regardless of faith or no faith.

The process works the same.
So this is consistent with both
believers who relate to God as PERSONAL spiritual and
secular nontheists who see universal laws as IMPERSONAL.

The laws hold true regardless if people take a theistic or nontheistic approach
to framing it, seeing and saying these things.

the underlying LAWS and spiritual/natural process are still the same,
independent of what religious or scientific language we might use to DESCRIBE
those laws and processes going on naturally.
Good grief, I can smell the pachouli from here. Should I rub some crystals as well? :lol:
 
I either believe in God (the Christian God) or nothing.

All that other paranormal, astrological and magic mumbo jumbo is for morons
 

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