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the seriousness of the topics being discussed? how serious, killing kids for no good reasons, trigger happy iDF;s playing big shots with their rifles and army gear. Sick.
Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship
The killing comes eight days after Israeli soldiers killed a 13-year-old boy during a raid on a West Bank village.
“Orwah is the tenth Palestinian child killed by Israeli forces with live ammunition in the occupied West Bank in 2014,” said Brad Parker, attorney and international advocacy officer at Defense for Children International-Palestine. “Impunity is the norm for Israeli soldiers that commit violence against children as they consistently violate their own live-fire regulations and know that they will not be held accountable for their actions no matter what the result. There is no justice or accountability for child victims.” - See more at: Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship 8211 Mondoweiss
Don't you mean dual nationality, and the first question any decent human being would ask is what was he doing there after the US had made Palestine a no go area ?
Now I see he is a dually and he was involved in violent clashes and riots, so knew the dangers of attacking Israeli soldiers. So he brought it on himself.
Anyone else think someone hijacked Billo's USMB account?
Ok, where's Billo and what have you done with him OP?
And this would be an example of why it is so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum."Why is it so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum?"
Among many other reasons, because those who offer legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel are immediately branded 'anti-Semites.'
Or perhaps because so little of what is posted here is legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel but rather is simply camel crap. Scratch the surface of most anti-Israel posters here and out pops the anti-Semite.
I guess it goes without saying this is the most volatile forum at USMB? I don't think I've seen one thread where a shouting match didn't occur at some point. There is so much vitriol, one would think you'd have an "Enter at your own risk" sign on the first webpage before entering. I'm wondering why a lack of civility is so prevalent? And yes, I know, I'm one of the biggest violators of that. If there was a "Biggest Prick in the Forum" contest, I would probably make the meddle round.
If you were going to name whom (or what) is responsible for the consistently deteriorating discord, who (or what) would it be?
the Zionists?
the anti-Zionists?
the Americans?
the Israeli's?
the Muslims?
the Jews?
the pro-Palestine crowd?
the pro-Israeli crowd?
human nature?
the seriousness of the topics being discussed?
If you had to put your finger on one thing that is preventing issues in this forum from being discussed in a civil, respectful manner, without all the emotional outbursts and name-calling, what would it be?
Anyone else think someone hijacked Billo's USMB account?
Ok, where's Billo and what have you done with him OP?And this would be an example of why it is so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum."Why is it so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum?"
Among many other reasons, because those who offer legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel are immediately branded 'anti-Semites.'
Or perhaps because so little of what is posted here is legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel but rather is simply camel crap. Scratch the surface of most anti-Israel posters here and out pops the anti-Semite.
Why, because Liberals are positive they know it all, when people voice their opinions about saying honest that you're in favor of genocide, they act surprised why you call them antisemites?
Please.
Anyone else think someone hijacked Billo's USMB account?
Ok, where's Billo and what have you done with him OP?And this would be an example of why it is so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum."Why is it so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum?"
Among many other reasons, because those who offer legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel are immediately branded 'anti-Semites.'
Or perhaps because so little of what is posted here is legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel but rather is simply camel crap. Scratch the surface of most anti-Israel posters here and out pops the anti-Semite.
Why, because Liberals are positive they know it all, when people voice their opinions about saying honest that you're in favor of genocide, they act surprised why you call them antisemites?
Please.
What do you mean by liberals?
Anyone else think someone hijacked Billo's USMB account?
Ok, where's Billo and what have you done with him OP?And this would be an example of why it is so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum."Why is it so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum?"
Among many other reasons, because those who offer legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel are immediately branded 'anti-Semites.'
Or perhaps because so little of what is posted here is legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel but rather is simply camel crap. Scratch the surface of most anti-Israel posters here and out pops the anti-Semite.
Why, because Liberals are positive they know it all, when people voice their opinions about saying honest that you're in favor of genocide, they act surprised why you call them antisemites?
Please.
What do you mean by liberals?
Stupid fanatic leftingers who're positive they can say/do/think nothing wrong.
Anyone else think someone hijacked Billo's USMB account?
Ok, where's Billo and what have you done with him OP?And this would be an example of why it is so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum.Or perhaps because so little of what is posted here is legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel but rather is simply camel crap. Scratch the surface of most anti-Israel posters here and out pops the anti-Semite.
Why, because Liberals are positive they know it all, when people voice their opinions about saying honest that you're in favor of genocide, they act surprised why you call them antisemites?
Please.
What do you mean by liberals?
Stupid fanatic leftingers who're positive they can say/do/think nothing wrong.
What is a leftinger? seriously, your definition.
the seriousness of the topics being discussed? how serious, killing kids for no good reasons, trigger happy iDF;s playing big shots with their rifles and army gear. Sick.
Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship
The killing comes eight days after Israeli soldiers killed a 13-year-old boy during a raid on a West Bank village.
“Orwah is the tenth Palestinian child killed by Israeli forces with live ammunition in the occupied West Bank in 2014,” said Brad Parker, attorney and international advocacy officer at Defense for Children International-Palestine. “Impunity is the norm for Israeli soldiers that commit violence against children as they consistently violate their own live-fire regulations and know that they will not be held accountable for their actions no matter what the result. There is no justice or accountability for child victims.” - See more at: Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship 8211 Mondoweiss
Don't you mean dual nationality, and the first question any decent human being would ask is what was he doing there after the US had made Palestine a no go area ?
Now I see he is a dually and he was involved in violent clashes and riots, so knew the dangers of attacking Israeli soldiers. So he brought it on himself.
The first question any decent person would ask is why the Zionist Police used live rounds against children when they have a vast arsenal of non-lethal weaponry they could use instead? Nor, for that matter, would any decent person automatically blame the victim before all the facts are made available.
It's not about blaming the victim. It's about asking the question of why do Palestinians continue to throw rocks, Molotov cocktails etc... At soldiers when they know they can get hurt?
People who are not brainwashed know that Palestinians are encouraged to do so in order to provoke a response from the IDF for their propaganda war, swhich BTW they are winning.
Anyone else think someone hijacked Billo's USMB account?
Ok, where's Billo and what have you done with him OP?And this would be an example of why it is so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum.
Why, because Liberals are positive they know it all, when people voice their opinions about saying honest that you're in favor of genocide, they act surprised why you call them antisemites?
Please.
What do you mean by liberals?
Stupid fanatic leftingers who're positive they can say/do/think nothing wrong.
What is a leftinger? seriously, your definition.
Don't know about America, but lefwingers today in Israel put the left wing of the 50-60 t shame. Most of them are now ready to give up whatever needed just for peace and quiet from the Arabs for two weeks
Buughghhg.
toastman, et al,
I cannot help but think that behind many of the incidents, there is a concerted effort to instigate an anti-Israeli event for media exploitation.
It's not about blaming the victim. It's about asking the question of why do Palestinians continue to throw rocks, Molotov cocktails etc... At soldiers when they know they can get hurt?
People who are not brainwashed know that Palestinians are encouraged to do so in order to provoke a response from the IDF for their propaganda war, swhich BTW they are winning.
v/r
R
the seriousness of the topics being discussed? how serious, killing kids for no good reasons, trigger happy iDF;s playing big shots with their rifles and army gear. Sick.
Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship
The killing comes eight days after Israeli soldiers killed a 13-year-old boy during a raid on a West Bank village.
“Orwah is the tenth Palestinian child killed by Israeli forces with live ammunition in the occupied West Bank in 2014,” said Brad Parker, attorney and international advocacy officer at Defense for Children International-Palestine. “Impunity is the norm for Israeli soldiers that commit violence against children as they consistently violate their own live-fire regulations and know that they will not be held accountable for their actions no matter what the result. There is no justice or accountability for child victims.” - See more at: Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship 8211 Mondoweiss
Don't you mean dual nationality, and the first question any decent human being would ask is what was he doing there after the US had made Palestine a no go area ?
Now I see he is a dually and he was involved in violent clashes and riots, so knew the dangers of attacking Israeli soldiers. So he brought it on himself.
The first question any decent person would ask is why the Zionist Police used live rounds against children when they have a vast arsenal of non-lethal weaponry they could use instead? Nor, for that matter, would any decent person automatically blame the victim before all the facts are made available.
It's not about blaming the victim. It's about asking the question of why do Palestinians continue to throw rocks, Molotov cocktails etc... At soldiers when they know they can get hurt?
People who are not brainwashed know that Palestinians are encouraged to do so in order to provoke a response from the IDF for their propaganda war, swhich BTW they are winning.
the seriousness of the topics being discussed? how serious, killing kids for no good reasons, trigger happy iDF;s playing big shots with their rifles and army gear. Sick.
Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship
The killing comes eight days after Israeli soldiers killed a 13-year-old boy during a raid on a West Bank village.
“Orwah is the tenth Palestinian child killed by Israeli forces with live ammunition in the occupied West Bank in 2014,” said Brad Parker, attorney and international advocacy officer at Defense for Children International-Palestine. “Impunity is the norm for Israeli soldiers that commit violence against children as they consistently violate their own live-fire regulations and know that they will not be held accountable for their actions no matter what the result. There is no justice or accountability for child victims.” - See more at: Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship 8211 Mondoweiss
Don't you mean dual nationality, and the first question any decent human being would ask is what was he doing there after the US had made Palestine a no go area ?
Now I see he is a dually and he was involved in violent clashes and riots, so knew the dangers of attacking Israeli soldiers. So he brought it on himself.
The first question any decent person would ask is why the Zionist Police used live rounds against children when they have a vast arsenal of non-lethal weaponry they could use instead? Nor, for that matter, would any decent person automatically blame the victim before all the facts are made available.
It's not about blaming the victim. It's about asking the question of why do Palestinians continue to throw rocks, Molotov cocktails etc... At soldiers when they know they can get hurt?
People who are not brainwashed know that Palestinians are encouraged to do so in order to provoke a response from the IDF for their propaganda war, swhich BTW they are winning.
So you are saying Palestinians are encouraged to throw rocks at the IDF in the sure and certain knowledge they will be shot at with live rounds in just order to win a propaganda war? And, knowing this, the IDF are therefore monumentaly stupid enough to fall for the tactic every time and give them the "ammunition" they need for their propaganda "victory"? All this despite having a huge arsenal of non-lethal crowd control weapons at their disposal?
toastman, et al,
I cannot help but think that behind many of the incidents, there is a concerted effort to instigate an anti-Israeli event for media exploitation.
It's not about blaming the victim. It's about asking the question of why do Palestinians continue to throw rocks, Molotov cocktails etc... At soldiers when they know they can get hurt?
People who are not brainwashed know that Palestinians are encouraged to do so in order to provoke a response from the IDF for their propaganda war, swhich BTW they are winning.
v/r
R
"Why is it so hard to have a civil discussion in the Israel/Palestine forum?"
Among many other reasons, because those who offer legitimate, appropriate, and factual criticism of Israel are immediately branded 'anti-Semites.'
As soon as they come out with Zionists, baby killers, war crimes, land thefts, illegal settlements and invasion you can take it as a given that they are not offering legitimate, appropriate and factual criticism just NAZI WHITE SUPREMACIST ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED
There you have it, name calling .
toastman, et al,
I cannot help but think that behind many of the incidents, there is a concerted effort to instigate an anti-Israeli event for media exploitation.
It's not about blaming the victim. It's about asking the question of why do Palestinians continue to throw rocks, Molotov cocktails etc... At soldiers when they know they can get hurt?
People who are not brainwashed know that Palestinians are encouraged to do so in order to provoke a response from the IDF for their propaganda war, swhich BTW they are winning.
v/r
R
Even if that were the case, the pertinent question is why is the IDF so monumentaly stupid as to fall for it every time?
toastman, et al,
I cannot help but think that behind many of the incidents, there is a concerted effort to instigate an anti-Israeli event for media exploitation.
It's not about blaming the victim. It's about asking the question of why do Palestinians continue to throw rocks, Molotov cocktails etc... At soldiers when they know they can get hurt?
People who are not brainwashed know that Palestinians are encouraged to do so in order to provoke a response from the IDF for their propaganda war, swhich BTW they are winning.
v/r
R
Even if that were the case, the pertinent question is why is the IDF so monumentaly stupid as to fall for it every time?
You would think that the Palestinians would have realised by now that using violence against armed soldiers will ultimately lead to shots being fired, and rioting Palestinians being killed
Why, because Liberals are positive they know it all, when people voice their opinions about saying honest that you're in favor of genocide, they act surprised why you call them antisemites?
Please.
What do you mean by liberals?
Stupid fanatic leftingers who're positive they can say/do/think nothing wrong.
What is a leftinger? seriously, your definition.
Don't know about America, but lefwingers today in Israel put the left wing of the 50-60 t shame. Most of them are now ready to give up whatever needed just for peace and quiet from the Arabs for two weeks
Buughghhg.
I see, well you would prefer the Arabs give up and become leftingers. I'm sure you'd want peace and quiet if you got what you wanted right. Don't ya worry, with what your gov is doing now, there is not going to be peace and quiet.
the seriousness of the topics being discussed? how serious, killing kids for no good reasons, trigger happy iDF;s playing big shots with their rifles and army gear. Sick.
Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship
The killing comes eight days after Israeli soldiers killed a 13-year-old boy during a raid on a West Bank village.
“Orwah is the tenth Palestinian child killed by Israeli forces with live ammunition in the occupied West Bank in 2014,” said Brad Parker, attorney and international advocacy officer at Defense for Children International-Palestine. “Impunity is the norm for Israeli soldiers that commit violence against children as they consistently violate their own live-fire regulations and know that they will not be held accountable for their actions no matter what the result. There is no justice or accountability for child victims.” - See more at: Israeli army kills 14-year old Palestinian with U.S. citizenship 8211 Mondoweiss
Don't you mean dual nationality, and the first question any decent human being would ask is what was he doing there after the US had made Palestine a no go area ?
Now I see he is a dually and he was involved in violent clashes and riots, so knew the dangers of attacking Israeli soldiers. So he brought it on himself.
The first question any decent person would ask is why the Zionist Police used live rounds against children when they have a vast arsenal of non-lethal weaponry they could use instead? Nor, for that matter, would any decent person automatically blame the victim before all the facts are made available.
It's not about blaming the victim. It's about asking the question of why do Palestinians continue to throw rocks, Molotov cocktails etc... At soldiers when they know they can get hurt?
People who are not brainwashed know that Palestinians are encouraged to do so in order to provoke a response from the IDF for their propaganda war, swhich BTW they are winning.
So you are saying Palestinians are encouraged to throw rocks at the IDF in the sure and certain knowledge they will be shot at with live rounds in just order to win a propaganda war? And, knowing this, the IDF are therefore monumentaly stupid enough to fall for the tactic every time and give them the "ammunition" they need for their propaganda "victory"? All this despite having a huge arsenal of non-lethal crowd control weapons at their disposal?
They DO use non lethal weapons. But pro Palestinians even complain about that.
Don't you mean dual nationality, and the first question any decent human being would ask is what was he doing there after the US had made Palestine a no go area ?
Now I see he is a dually and he was involved in violent clashes and riots, so knew the dangers of attacking Israeli soldiers. So he brought it on himself.
The first question any decent person would ask is why the Zionist Police used live rounds against children when they have a vast arsenal of non-lethal weaponry they could use instead? Nor, for that matter, would any decent person automatically blame the victim before all the facts are made available.
It's not about blaming the victim. It's about asking the question of why do Palestinians continue to throw rocks, Molotov cocktails etc... At soldiers when they know they can get hurt?
People who are not brainwashed know that Palestinians are encouraged to do so in order to provoke a response from the IDF for their propaganda war, swhich BTW they are winning.
So you are saying Palestinians are encouraged to throw rocks at the IDF in the sure and certain knowledge they will be shot at with live rounds in just order to win a propaganda war? And, knowing this, the IDF are therefore monumentaly stupid enough to fall for the tactic every time and give them the "ammunition" they need for their propaganda "victory"? All this despite having a huge arsenal of non-lethal crowd control weapons at their disposal?
They DO use non lethal weapons. But pro Palestinians even complain about that.
Maybe because, in the case of "Skunk" cannons, you can't get the smell out of clothing for up to 5 years and the predilection by the IDF to use them when there are no demonstrations or riots in progress as a means to "encourage" Palestinians to leave.
Israel develops skunk bomb for riot control situations Israel News Haaretz
