Why Liberals Hate Free Speech

[PoliticalChic]

The Liberal iteration of totalitarian.

Along with these iterations: communist, socialist, fascist, Nazi and Progressive.

All share the same hatred of individualism......
....and, as we have seen....free speech.

Totalitarianism is the foundation upon which leftism rests. Without the totalitarian foundation, leftism cannot long stand.

I agree with you that leftism is ultimately an expression of hatred of life and all living things. The leftist usually doesn't seek to outright kill their victims, but simply to deny to people the ability to live.

"The leftist usually doesn't seek to outright kill their victims, but simply to deny to people the ability to live."

Any reluctance remains only as long as they don't have total power to do exactly that.

.....then there's this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The Liberal iteration of totalitarian.

Along with these iterations: communist, socialist, fascist, Nazi and Progressive.

All share the same hatred of individualism......
....and, as we have seen....free speech.

Totalitarianism is the foundation upon which leftism rests. Without the totalitarian foundation, leftism cannot long stand.

I agree with you that leftism is ultimately an expression of hatred of life and all living things. The leftist usually doesn't seek to outright kill their victims, but simply to deny to people the ability to live.

"The leftist usually doesn't seek to outright kill their victims, but simply to deny to people the ability to live."

Any reluctance remains only as long as they don't have total power to do exactly that.

.....then there's this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

The GOP sees very few lives as sacred. That's why they are so pro-war and pro-capital punishment. Truly pro-life people are neither.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A modern liberal is the same as a liberal 230 years ago, only much smarter and dealing with a much different world.

That's not even close to accurate. In fact its LIE...

Nope. I'm a liberal so I would know.

You know nothing of classical liberalism. You are in fact a polar opposite of the concept.

Classical liberalism is modern conservative/libertarianism.

Nope. Not even close. When liberals founded the place your kind fled, to Canada.

Liar.

You 'Liberals' are what was originally known as the Socialist Party.

You remain that.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That's not even close to accurate. In fact its LIE...

Nope. I'm a liberal so I would know.

You know nothing of classical liberalism. You are in fact a polar opposite of the concept.

Classical liberalism is modern conservative/libertarianism.

Nope. Not even close. When liberals founded the place your kind fled, to Canada.

Liar.

You 'Liberals' are what was originally known as the Socialist Party.

You remain that.

Nope, and you've never been able to prove I'm a socialist.

 

[Uncensored2008]

"The leftist usually doesn't seek to outright kill their victims, but simply to deny to people the ability to live."

Any reluctance remains only as long as they don't have total power to do exactly that.

.....then there's this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

A swift death is kinder than what the leftist generally leaves, the existence on the verge of starvation and exposure to elements. The hopelessness of toil with no possibility of gain.

“The basic cause of totalitarianism is two ideas: men’s rejection of reason in favor of faith, and of self-interest in favor of self-sacrifice.”
― Ayn Rand, We the Living

 

[Uncensored2008]

The GOP sees very few lives as sacred. That's why they are so pro-war and pro-capital punishment. Truly pro-life people are neither.

You are a known advocate of genocide, upon what rationale do you propose to lecture others on the value of life?

To kill a murderer or rapist as punishment for heinous crime is a far cry from slaughtering the innocent for political gain as you advocate.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nope. I'm a liberal so I would know.

You know nothing of classical liberalism. You are in fact a polar opposite of the concept.

Classical liberalism is modern conservative/libertarianism.

Nope. Not even close. When liberals founded the place your kind fled, to Canada.

Liar.

You 'Liberals' are what was originally known as the Socialist Party.

You remain that.

Nope, and you've never been able to prove I'm a socialist.

But I've been generous.....I allow you to identify as any totalitarian....
communist, socialist, Liberal, Progressive, Nazi, or fascist.


You can even change the name daily!


Really....could I be more kind?

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The leftist usually doesn't seek to outright kill their victims, but simply to deny to people the ability to live."

Any reluctance remains only as long as they don't have total power to do exactly that.

.....then there's this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

A swift death is kinder than what the leftist generally leaves, the existence on the verge of starvation and exposure to elements. The hopelessness of toil with no possibility of gain.

“The basic cause of totalitarianism is two ideas: men’s rejection of reason in favor of faith, and of self-interest in favor of self-sacrifice.”
― Ayn Rand, We the Living

"A swift death is kinder than what the leftist generally leaves, the existence on the verge of starvation and exposure to elements."

You've got quite the point there.



"During the early 1930s every non-apparatchik in the USSR was hungry, and the peasants were starving in their millions. The zeks [prisoners] of the gulag, from 1918 to 1956, were always somewhere in between.
The mature gulag ran on food and the deprivation of food. Illuminatingly, the history of Communism keeps bringing us back to this: the scarcity or absence of food.

[In] his natural indifference to all human suffering Frenkel was an excellent Bolshevik.It was he who advised Stalin to run the gulag on the steady deprivation of food.

Again they used norms and quotas:
for the full norm: 700 grams of bread, plus soup and buckwheatfor those not attaining the norm: 400 grams of bread, plus soup

The ‘full norm' was near-unachievable (sometimes more than 200 times higher than the Tsarist equivalent).A socialist-realist superman might manage it, for a time. But you were not meant to manage it. As the zek increasingly fell further behind the norm, he weakened further too, and his ration would soon be demoted to ‘punitive' (300 grams).

As for the rations, [historian Robert] Conquest cites those of the Japanese POW camps on the River Kwai: ‘There, prisoners got a daily ration norm of 700 grams of rice, 600 of vegetables, 100 of meat, 20 of sugar, 20 of salt, and 5 of oil…';all these items were, of course, great rarities and delicacies in the archipelago.Solzhenitsyn describes a seven-ounce loaf (218 grams): ‘sticky as clay, a piece little bigger than a matchbox…'"
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread."



Under socialism, the hero is the one who 'improves' the way of the collective, no matter the cost in human lives....or supports the Iran Nuclear Treaty.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You know nothing of classical liberalism. You are in fact a polar opposite of the concept.

Classical liberalism is modern conservative/libertarianism.

Nope. Not even close. When liberals founded the place your kind fled, to Canada.

Liar.

You 'Liberals' are what was originally known as the Socialist Party.

You remain that.

Nope, and you've never been able to prove I'm a socialist.

But I've been generous.....I allow you to identify as any totalitarian....
communist, socialist, Liberal, Progressive, Nazi, or fascist.


You can even change the name daily!


Really....could I be more kind?

Namecalling is the sign you've lost the argument. wasn't that once your claim?

 

[NYcarbineer]

"The leftist usually doesn't seek to outright kill their victims, but simply to deny to people the ability to live."

Any reluctance remains only as long as they don't have total power to do exactly that.

.....then there's this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

A swift death is kinder than what the leftist generally leaves, the existence on the verge of starvation and exposure to elements. The hopelessness of toil with no possibility of gain.

“The basic cause of totalitarianism is two ideas: men’s rejection of reason in favor of faith, and of self-interest in favor of self-sacrifice.”
― Ayn Rand, We the Living

"A swift death is kinder than what the leftist generally leaves, the existence on the verge of starvation and exposure to elements."

You've got quite the point there.



"During the early 1930s every non-apparatchik in the USSR was hungry, and the peasants were starving in their millions. The zeks [prisoners] of the gulag, from 1918 to 1956, were always somewhere in between.
The mature gulag ran on food and the deprivation of food. Illuminatingly, the history of Communism keeps bringing us back to this: the scarcity or absence of food.

[In] his natural indifference to all human suffering Frenkel was an excellent Bolshevik.It was he who advised Stalin to run the gulag on the steady deprivation of food.

Again they used norms and quotas:
for the full norm: 700 grams of bread, plus soup and buckwheatfor those not attaining the norm: 400 grams of bread, plus soup

The ‘full norm' was near-unachievable (sometimes more than 200 times higher than the Tsarist equivalent).A socialist-realist superman might manage it, for a time. But you were not meant to manage it. As the zek increasingly fell further behind the norm, he weakened further too, and his ration would soon be demoted to ‘punitive' (300 grams).

As for the rations, [historian Robert] Conquest cites those of the Japanese POW camps on the River Kwai: ‘There, prisoners got a daily ration norm of 700 grams of rice, 600 of vegetables, 100 of meat, 20 of sugar, 20 of salt, and 5 of oil…';all these items were, of course, great rarities and delicacies in the archipelago.Solzhenitsyn describes a seven-ounce loaf (218 grams): ‘sticky as clay, a piece little bigger than a matchbox…'"
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread."



Under socialism, the hero is the one who 'improves' the way of the collective, no matter the cost in human lives....or supports the Iran Nuclear Treaty.

I didn't realize liberal socialist America had gulags, or starvation. In fact it was you who said there are virtually no poor people in America.

Yes, liberal, socialist America.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Classical liberalism is modern conservative/libertarianism.

Nope. Not even close. When liberals founded the place your kind fled, to Canada.

Liar.

You 'Liberals' are what was originally known as the Socialist Party.

You remain that.

Nope, and you've never been able to prove I'm a socialist.

But I've been generous.....I allow you to identify as any totalitarian....
communist, socialist, Liberal, Progressive, Nazi, or fascist.


You can even change the name daily!


Really....could I be more kind?

Namecalling is the sign you've lost the argument. wasn't that once your claim?

Not if I do it.

Then it is simply 'accurately describing.'

I had a professor who explained it thus:
"The master is allowed, the donkey is not."


Did you want some carrots?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nope. Not even close. When liberals founded the place your kind fled, to Canada.

Liar.

You 'Liberals' are what was originally known as the Socialist Party.

You remain that.

Nope, and you've never been able to prove I'm a socialist.

But I've been generous.....I allow you to identify as any totalitarian....
communist, socialist, Liberal, Progressive, Nazi, or fascist.


You can even change the name daily!


Really....could I be more kind?

Namecalling is the sign you've lost the argument. wasn't that once your claim?

Not if I do it.

Then it is simply 'accurately describing.'

I had a professor who explained it thus:
"The master is allowed, the donkey is not."


Did you want some carrots?

Sanitize that carrot first.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The leftist usually doesn't seek to outright kill their victims, but simply to deny to people the ability to live."

Any reluctance remains only as long as they don't have total power to do exactly that.

.....then there's this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

A swift death is kinder than what the leftist generally leaves, the existence on the verge of starvation and exposure to elements. The hopelessness of toil with no possibility of gain.

“The basic cause of totalitarianism is two ideas: men’s rejection of reason in favor of faith, and of self-interest in favor of self-sacrifice.”
― Ayn Rand, We the Living

"A swift death is kinder than what the leftist generally leaves, the existence on the verge of starvation and exposure to elements."

You've got quite the point there.



"During the early 1930s every non-apparatchik in the USSR was hungry, and the peasants were starving in their millions. The zeks [prisoners] of the gulag, from 1918 to 1956, were always somewhere in between.
The mature gulag ran on food and the deprivation of food. Illuminatingly, the history of Communism keeps bringing us back to this: the scarcity or absence of food.

[In] his natural indifference to all human suffering Frenkel was an excellent Bolshevik.It was he who advised Stalin to run the gulag on the steady deprivation of food.

Again they used norms and quotas:
for the full norm: 700 grams of bread, plus soup and buckwheatfor those not attaining the norm: 400 grams of bread, plus soup

The ‘full norm' was near-unachievable (sometimes more than 200 times higher than the Tsarist equivalent).A socialist-realist superman might manage it, for a time. But you were not meant to manage it. As the zek increasingly fell further behind the norm, he weakened further too, and his ration would soon be demoted to ‘punitive' (300 grams).

As for the rations, [historian Robert] Conquest cites those of the Japanese POW camps on the River Kwai: ‘There, prisoners got a daily ration norm of 700 grams of rice, 600 of vegetables, 100 of meat, 20 of sugar, 20 of salt, and 5 of oil…';all these items were, of course, great rarities and delicacies in the archipelago.Solzhenitsyn describes a seven-ounce loaf (218 grams): ‘sticky as clay, a piece little bigger than a matchbox…'"
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread."



Under socialism, the hero is the one who 'improves' the way of the collective, no matter the cost in human lives....or supports the Iran Nuclear Treaty.

I didn't realize liberal socialist America had gulags, or starvation. In fact it was you who said there are virtually no poor people in America.

Yes, liberal, socialist America.

So very much you don't 'realize.'

Recall the fate of Japanese-Americans under Roosevelt?

"Although FDR himself called them "concentration camps,"..."
Did the United States put its own citizens in concentration camps during WWII?

 

[NYcarbineer]

A modern liberal is the same as a liberal 230 years ago, only much smarter and dealing with a much different world.

That's not even close to accurate. In fact its LIE...

Nope. I'm a liberal so I would know.

You know nothing of classical liberalism. You are in fact a polar opposite of the concept.

Classical liberalism is modern conservative/libertarianism.

Nope. Not even close. When liberals founded the place your kind fled, to Canada.

Classical liberals believed that individuals needed to be protected from government, and that business/corporations/capitalists were not threat.

The horrors of the Industrial Revolution, perpetrated by the capitalists, educated the educable.

From that came modern day liberalism/socialism that realizes that government is the protector, not the threat.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"The leftist usually doesn't seek to outright kill their victims, but simply to deny to people the ability to live."

Any reluctance remains only as long as they don't have total power to do exactly that.

.....then there's this:

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

A swift death is kinder than what the leftist generally leaves, the existence on the verge of starvation and exposure to elements. The hopelessness of toil with no possibility of gain.

“The basic cause of totalitarianism is two ideas: men’s rejection of reason in favor of faith, and of self-interest in favor of self-sacrifice.”
― Ayn Rand, We the Living

"A swift death is kinder than what the leftist generally leaves, the existence on the verge of starvation and exposure to elements."

You've got quite the point there.



"During the early 1930s every non-apparatchik in the USSR was hungry, and the peasants were starving in their millions. The zeks [prisoners] of the gulag, from 1918 to 1956, were always somewhere in between.
The mature gulag ran on food and the deprivation of food. Illuminatingly, the history of Communism keeps bringing us back to this: the scarcity or absence of food.

[In] his natural indifference to all human suffering Frenkel was an excellent Bolshevik.It was he who advised Stalin to run the gulag on the steady deprivation of food.

Again they used norms and quotas:
for the full norm: 700 grams of bread, plus soup and buckwheatfor those not attaining the norm: 400 grams of bread, plus soup

The ‘full norm' was near-unachievable (sometimes more than 200 times higher than the Tsarist equivalent).A socialist-realist superman might manage it, for a time. But you were not meant to manage it. As the zek increasingly fell further behind the norm, he weakened further too, and his ration would soon be demoted to ‘punitive' (300 grams).

As for the rations, [historian Robert] Conquest cites those of the Japanese POW camps on the River Kwai: ‘There, prisoners got a daily ration norm of 700 grams of rice, 600 of vegetables, 100 of meat, 20 of sugar, 20 of salt, and 5 of oil…';all these items were, of course, great rarities and delicacies in the archipelago.Solzhenitsyn describes a seven-ounce loaf (218 grams): ‘sticky as clay, a piece little bigger than a matchbox…'"
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread."



Under socialism, the hero is the one who 'improves' the way of the collective, no matter the cost in human lives....or supports the Iran Nuclear Treaty.

I didn't realize liberal socialist America had gulags, or starvation. In fact it was you who said there are virtually no poor people in America.

Yes, liberal, socialist America.

So very much you don't 'realize.'

Recall the fate of Japanese-Americans under Roosevelt?

"Although FDR himself called them "concentration camps,"..."
Did the United States put its own citizens in concentration camps during WWII?

And those are where today?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nowadays, everything they disagree with looks like tyranny to conservatives.

That is in fact quite a common view taken by a failed movement in decline and defeat.

 

[Campbell]

This thread is just a re-run of this one:

Only Fascists Assail Free Speech | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

...thus proving my point that the OP loses the argument in one thread, then runs off and waits awhile before starting the same thread over again.

Read the old thread, and enjoy how she gets demolished.

Gee....I sure hope so!

A couple of months have gone by, and you Liberal fascists still hate free speech!

253 responses in that thread, and you Liberals joined in with a chorus of "is not, is not...!"


I don't know how to thank you enough for helping me spread the truth!

You wouldn't recognize the truth if it struck you in the ass!! When you mentioned that low down, Right Wing Ann Coulter you lost all signs of credibility. Bill Maher said she wasn't so partial when she was cummin'.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How can you tell when a conservative is losing an argument?

...he's in one.

 

[Campbell]

How can you tell when a conservative is losing an argument?

...he's in one.

He or she as the case might be

 

[NYcarbineer]

This thread is just a re-run of this one:

Only Fascists Assail Free Speech | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

...thus proving my point that the OP loses the argument in one thread, then runs off and waits awhile before starting the same thread over again.

Read the old thread, and enjoy how she gets demolished.

Gee....I sure hope so!

A couple of months have gone by, and you Liberal fascists still hate free speech!

253 responses in that thread, and you Liberals joined in with a chorus of "is not, is not...!"


I don't know how to thank you enough for helping me spread the truth!

You wouldn't recognize the truth if it struck you in the ass!! When you mentioned that low down, Right Wing Ann Coulter you lost all signs of credibility. Bill Maher said she wasn't so partial when she was cummin'.

Ann Coulter is living proof that Jesus might have ridden dinosaurs.

At the very least she proves it's humanly possible.