Why not here?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why not here?

Why not you? Go on, get it started. See how many wingnuts follow you.

Pussy

It’s also interesting how the OP reflects the contempt many on the right have for the rule of law and our Constitutional Republic, where the people are subject only to that rule of law, not men – as men are incapable of ruling justly.

The OP’s pathetic fantasy of the president being driven from office by angry, rock-throwing mobs is evidence of that.

And it’s clear the OP’s partisanism blinds him to the fact that unlike Ukraine, the United States is a free and just society, where the people are at liberty to petition the Government for a redress of grievances in the Federal courts when the state errs and violates their civil liberties.

 

[deltex1]

Why are you morons so happy when Obabble fucks this nation up for eight years...looses all the leadership momentum we had, lies in your face, weakens our borders, welcomes terrorists, weakens our health care system, weakens our military, weakens the foundation of society, marriage...wastes your money on useless initiatives...can't even muster a winning hockey team...but then he's a hoop dude.

It's really a hoot when LIBTARDS scoff at protest...when the sight of two tea partiers with signs scares them shitless.

 

[bucs90]

You guys misunderstand this right wing lunatics question of "why not here".

He doesn't mean "Why should we assume this government crackdown wont happen here".

He means "If they can rise up and try to overthrow their government, WHY CANT WE?"

Kinda like a sports team asking "Why not us" to motivate themselves.

Right wingers are fantasizing about Red Dawn like revolt. Idiots.

 

[deltex1]

Quotes from the Founding Fathers

"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

"... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive.

If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.

The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)

"If we wish to be free, if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending, if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained _ we must fight!" Patrick Henry

"(T)he foundation of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality; ...the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained..." George Washington, First Inaugural, April 30 1789

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

"Political interest [can] never be separated in the long run from moral right"

"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God? Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government."
Patrick Henry
"The citizens of the U.S. are responsible for the greatest trust ever confided to a political society"

"We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government." James Madison

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783

"We must all hang together, or, assuredly, we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address.


QUOTES FROM FOUNDING FATHERS AND REVOLUTIONARY THINKERS ON THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

THOMAS JEFFERSON

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.

Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them.

Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344.

THOMAS PAINE

"The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world not destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside ... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them ... the weak will become prey to the strong."

Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War

JAMES MADISON

"Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust their people with arms."

SAMUEL ADAMS

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms . . ."

GEORGE MASON

"When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor..."

George Mason, Virginia Constitution Convention

NOAH WEBSTER

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive."

Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787)

TENCHE COXE

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."

Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

RICHARD HENRY LEE

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."

Richard Henry Lee - Senator, First Congress

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..."

ELBRIDGE GERRY

"Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."

Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

GEORGE WASHINGTON

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."

"A free people ought not only to be armed..."

PATRICK HENRY

"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun."

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

March 23, 1775:

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

 

[Dutch]

Let me know when you guys are gonna start so I can plan my vacation around it.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

We are too busy watching TV to give a fuck, too cowardly to take to the streets in mass protests. We have organized political rallies that scare no one in power and are entirely too peaceful. Anarchy works but we are so immunized against it that our plutocrats feel more secure than any plutocrats in the world.

Spot on. My thoughts exactly. I was just posing the question awhile ago to a friend, "If they can do it in the Ukraine why can't we?" And he actually had a pretty good answer: "Because they don't have as big a military or police force that can control a crowd." So he had me there.

But I also think that the malaise that grips our culture can also be attributed to the fact that everywhere you go and too many who you see are immersed inside their little iPhones and are not paying attention. Blame it on Angry Birds or YouTube. It's the same difference.

Having said that, I will say that the Ukrainians had it "come home". Although the news media reported it as a rift between European alliances and Russian, you can bet these people were suffering economic disaster for them to take to the streets as they did. You don't start shooting bullets until you just can no longer take care of your own.

 

[deltex1]

Why not here?

Why not you? Go on, get it started. See how many wingnuts follow you.

Pussy

It’s also interesting how the OP reflects the contempt many on the right have for the rule of law and our Constitutional Republic, where the people are subject only to that rule of law, not men – as men are incapable of ruling justly.

The OP’s pathetic fantasy of the president being driven from office by angry, rock-throwing mobs is evidence of that.

And it’s clear the OP’s partisanism blinds him to the fact that unlike Ukraine, the United States is a free and just society, where the people are at liberty to petition the Government for a redress of grievances in the Federal courts when the state errs and violates their civil liberties.

It appears Clayton be on aside oh da gummint in de youcrane...

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Quotes from the Founding Fathers

"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

"... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive................


QUOTES FROM FOUNDING FATHERS AND REVOLUTIONARY THINKERS ON THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Here's the drill, Deltex. You want a revolution? Then start Twittering and hope it goes viral. People need to show up en masse and clog the main arteries of the Capitol building and White House. Fill the streets with your bodies. Stop the Metro subway dead in its tracks. Block the Beltway. Stop the town from humming. Go to K Street and shut down the whorehouses...Oh, excuse me....I meant Lobbyists.

Shut down Amtrak at Union Station and Dupont Square.

Block the senators and congressmen inside their respective buildings.

Don't apply for a fucking permit to protest on the Mall because you won't get one for any day except Saturday or Sunday when nobody's there.

Be prepared to dig in. Were you one of the ones who made fun of the Occupy Wall Street gang? Well then, love 'em or hate 'em, that's how you do it. Remember to bring your tent.

Love all your quotes from the Founding Fathers but that ain't going to cut it. Pretty words are just pretty words. Having been to too many protests on the National Mall, I can tell you that the Capitol Police are ready and on horseback and motorcycles that have a dual tire in the back just for running over the feet of unruly crowd members.

Are you ready?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

You guys misunderstand this right wing lunatics question of "why not here".

He doesn't mean "Why should we assume this government crackdown wont happen here".

He means "If they can rise up and try to overthrow their government, WHY CANT WE?"

Kinda like a sports team asking "Why not us" to motivate themselves.

Right wingers are fantasizing about Red Dawn like revolt. Idiots.

I agree with Deltex. It's going to mean going to the streets instead of watching another episode of Dancing with the Stars or whatever. Where I disagree with him is that it's not solely about Obama. It is about a corrupt bought-and-paid for Congress. And they will NEVER undo their protectionist laws, salaries, and insulation that they have created for themselves through big money. So shut D.C. down. I agree with him.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Then of course the other barrier to protesting is this:


"You're Gonna Feel It:" U.S. Military Unveils New Crowd Control "Heat Ray"
They didn't have this in Kiev:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA&noredirect=1]Non-Lethal Weapon: Active Denial System (ADS) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[deltex1]

Venezuela has a bus driver as president...we have a moron who never worked a real job in his life.


News from The Associated Press

 

[deltex1]

Quotes from the Founding Fathers

"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

"... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive................


QUOTES FROM FOUNDING FATHERS AND REVOLUTIONARY THINKERS ON THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

..........................

....................
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Here's the drill, Deltex. You want a revolution? Then start Twittering and hope it goes viral. People need to show up en masse and clog the main arteries of the Capitol building and White House. Fill the streets with your bodies. Stop the Metro subway dead in its tracks. Block the Beltway. Stop the town from humming. Go to K Street and shut down the whorehouses...Oh, excuse me....I meant Lobbyists.

Shut down Amtrak at Union Station and Dupont Square.

Block the senators and congressmen inside their respective buildings.

Don't apply for a fucking permit to protest on the Mall because you won't get one for any day except Saturday or Sunday when nobody's there.

Be prepared to dig in. Were you one of the ones who made fun of the Occupy Wall Street gang? Well then, love 'em or hate 'em, that's how you do it. Remember to bring your tent.

Love all your quotes from the Founding Fathers but that ain't going to cut it. Pretty words are just pretty words. Having been to too many protests on the National Mall, I can tell you that the Capitol Police are ready and on horseback and motorcycles that have a dual tire in the back just for running over the feet of unruly crowd members.

Are you ready?

I am ready...as soon as I finish my deck.

 

[The T]

Ukraine's opposition has asserted its authority over Kiev and parliament in a day of fast-paced events.

MPs have replace the parliamentary speaker and attorney general, appointed a new pro-opposition interior minister and voted to free jailed opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko.

Police appear to have abandoned their posts across the capital.

Protesters in Kiev have walked unchallenged into the president's official and residential buildings.

President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition leaders signed a peace deal on Friday after several days of violence in which dozens of people died in a police crackdown on months of protest.

Continue reading the main story
BBC correspondents in Ukraine

Kevin Bishop‏@bishopk: A man cleans the streets outside an empty presidency. An ordered transfer of power seems under way.

Kevin Bishop ‏@bishopk: Muffled footsteps, low voices. Protesters walking slowly through the barricades to view what they've achieved

Continue reading the main story
Duncan Crawford @_DuncanC: Lines of protesters - all in hard helmets, some of them armed with sticks - now guard the road outside the president's office.

This is where President Yanukovych and his staff normally work. All the doors are locked. There are a few security guards. Relaxed, smiling but not jubilant, protesters here say they want to restore order and avoid provocation, to bring life back to normal.

Continue reading the main story
Daniel Sandford ‏@BBCDanielS: So the next moves will be made in Kharkiv, Donetsk and Crimea. Big, big decisions for eastern Ukraine and Russia. Enormous stakes.

Daniel Sandford ‏@BBCDanielS: In the absence of a president (missing) and a prime minister, the new speaker Turchynov is effectively the leader in Kiev at this moment.

But the deal failed to end the protests and huge crowds remain in Independence Square, the Maidan.

The opposition have called for elections before 25 May, earlier than envisaged in Friday's peace deal.

The president's whereabouts are unclear - his aides say he is in Kharkhiv, close to the border with Russia.

>>>>>>>>

I like that part about the presidents whereabouts being unclear...


BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Opposition asserts authority in Kiev

PUTIN has got to be pissed this isn't going his way...GOOD!

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Quotes from the Founding Fathers

"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

"... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive................


QUOTES FROM FOUNDING FATHERS AND REVOLUTIONARY THINKERS ON THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

..........................

....................
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Here's the drill, Deltex. You want a revolution? Then start Twittering and hope it goes viral. People need to show up en masse and clog the main arteries of the Capitol building and White House. Fill the streets with your bodies. Stop the Metro subway dead in its tracks. Block the Beltway. Stop the town from humming. Go to K Street and shut down the whorehouses...Oh, excuse me....I meant Lobbyists.

Shut down Amtrak at Union Station and Dupont Square.

Block the senators and congressmen inside their respective buildings.

Don't apply for a fucking permit to protest on the Mall because you won't get one for any day except Saturday or Sunday when nobody's there.

Be prepared to dig in. Were you one of the ones who made fun of the Occupy Wall Street gang? Well then, love 'em or hate 'em, that's how you do it. Remember to bring your tent.

Love all your quotes from the Founding Fathers but that ain't going to cut it. Pretty words are just pretty words. Having been to too many protests on the National Mall, I can tell you that the Capitol Police are ready and on horseback and motorcycles that have a dual tire in the back just for running over the feet of unruly crowd members.

Are you ready?

I am ready...as soon as I finish my deck.

Yeah, and I need to color my roots and get a manicure.

 

[The T]

here's the drill, deltex. You want a revolution? Then start twittering and hope it goes viral. People need to show up en masse and clog the main arteries of the capitol building and white house. Fill the streets with your bodies. Stop the metro subway dead in its tracks. Block the beltway. Stop the town from humming. Go to k street and shut down the whorehouses...oh, excuse me....i meant lobbyists.

Shut down amtrak at union station and dupont square.

Block the senators and congressmen inside their respective buildings.

Don't apply for a fucking permit to protest on the mall because you won't get one for any day except saturday or sunday when nobody's there.

Be prepared to dig in. Were you one of the ones who made fun of the occupy wall street gang? Well then, love 'em or hate 'em, that's how you do it. Remember to bring your tent.

Love all your quotes from the founding fathers but that ain't going to cut it. Pretty words are just pretty words. Having been to too many protests on the national mall, i can tell you that the capitol police are ready and on horseback and motorcycles that have a dual tire in the back just for running over the feet of unruly crowd members.

Are you ready?

i am ready...as soon as i finish my deck.

yeah, and i need to color my roots and get a manicure.

^^idiot

 

[J.E.D]

Why are you morons so happy when Obabble...looses all the leadership momentum we had

What leadership momentum? Bush wasn't a leader. The world hated us by the time he left office.

...weakens our borders

Deportations have gone up under Obama

...welcomes terrorists

Welcomes them to their grave? Talk to Bin Laden.

...weakens our health care system

Weakened it by adding people to the system and guaranteeing people can't be kicked off for pre-existing conditions, children can stay on their parents' plans until 26, closing the donut hole for seniors putting more money in their pockets?

...weakens our military

What are you talking about? DADT? Allowing gay military members to feel like human beings by not living a lie is weakening the military? If anything, it's a morale booster.

...weakens the foundation of society, marriage

A majority of Americans support gay marriage. You're on the losing side of history

...can't even muster a winning hockey team

Since when is the POTUS responsible for the performance of an Olympic hockey team?

Whine much?

 

[J.E.D]

I am ready...as soon as I finish my deck.

Pussy

 

[editec]

Why NOT here?

Here is not there.

Here there is a completely different set of circumstances than there.

There are no simply answers when it comes to complex events in history.

There are plenty of simpletons who imagine there are, though.

 

[Iceweasel]

You guys misunderstand this right wing lunatics question of "why not here".

He doesn't mean "Why should we assume this government crackdown wont happen here".

He means "If they can rise up and try to overthrow their government, WHY CANT WE?"

Kinda like a sports team asking "Why not us" to motivate themselves.

Right wingers are fantasizing about Red Dawn like revolt. Idiots.

What makes him a right winger in your mind? I don't have that impression at all.

 

[deltex1]

I am ready...as soon as I finish my deck.

Pussy

Yo JED....did obama scream when you bit off his dick?