Why People Make Minimum Wage

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The Census Bureau has not yet reported how many were on welfare in 2013 or the first two quarters of 2014.

But the 109,631,000 living in households taking federal welfare benefits as of the end of 2012, according to the Census Bureau, equaled 35.4 percent of all 309,467,000 people living in the United States at that time.


The 35.4 Percent 109 631 000 on Welfare CNS News

I told you that some ultra partisan sources claim percentages like that, but that they do it by counting things like social security, not real welfare. So then you post a link to an ultra partisan source giving those numbers that explicitly admits that it is counting social security and whatnot... So I guess you're just confirming what I said?

dear, Barry just put 13 million people on Medicaid giving another 13 million people more incentive than ever not to work and contribute to society. Deadly, crippling, family destroying, liberal progams are Barry's stock in trade even though when he took office govt was far bigger than ever!! Read "never enough" if you think there is any logical end to liberalism short of communism. Are you a fellow traveler, comrade?



Norman Thomas quotes:

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

C. S. Lewis on Diabolical Democracy Socialism and Public Education Conservative Colloquium


Buckley endorsed Chambers’ analysis of modern liberalism as a watered-down version of Communist ideology. The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but “revolutionary” in its nature and intentions, seeking “a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."
--- Roger Nash Baldwin

 

[tuhaybey]

dear, Barry just put 13 million people on Medicaid giving another 13 million people more incentive than ever not to work and contribute to society.

LOL "socialism"... At least try to talk like a grownup. Use big people words.

I've already clearly explained to you that the nonsense about legions of people choosing to freeload is false. You were unable to counter it, but you're still just blathering on like that is still true. The idea that a first world country should focus on ensuring that people work by arranging it so they'll die if they don't is just stupid. You need to try to be a better person. You need to try to be smarter, more informed, and more morally sophisticated. Just taking slogans you hear on right wing talk radio and going around blurting them out on the internet is not good enough.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I've already clearly explained to you that the nonsense about legions of people choosing to freeload is false. .

you mean the 13 million all decided not to take Medicaid for free??

See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You need to try to be a better person.

dear, you're a liberal bigot. You think you are superior because you support crippling deadly family destroying welfare programs!

Do you want to be a bigot all your liberal life?

 

[tuhaybey]

you mean the 13 million all decided not to take Medicaid for free??

See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

Why is it "freeloading" to pool medical costs through taxes instead of through insurance companies? Especially when the experience of the world consistently shows that it is way cheaper and more efficient to do it through taxes instead of through insurance companies that skim huge profit margins off the transaction?

Freeloading doesn't mean the people deciding to work together towards some goal, it means people deciding not to do their part.

 

[tuhaybey]

dear, you're a liberal bigot. You think you are superior because you support crippling deadly family destroying welfare programs!

Do you want to be a bigot all your liberal life?

You're still just blurting out tea party slogans. Do you have any actual thoughts about this topic or are you just trolling?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Why is it "freeloading" to pool medical costs through taxes instead of through insurance companies?

too stupid as usual, liberal !! People on Medicaid don't pool any costs they just take free health care from working people!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

insurance companies that skim huge profit margins off the transaction?

more pure ignorance! Insurance companies are not very profitable as an industry!! Live and learn liberal.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You're still just blurting out tea party slogans.

if so you would not be so afraid to show an exact Tea Party slogan I blurted out. What does your fear teach you,liberal?

 

[tuhaybey]

more pure ignorance! Insurance companies are not very profitable as an industry!! Live and learn liberal.

Where you got the idea that they are not very profitable is that right during the Bush recession many of them reported relatively modest profits for the year. That is after counting in their massive losses in the stock market for that year lol. So even during a year when the stock market lost like 40% o its value, they managed to cover all those losses and STILL make a profit... And they got good fodder to trick people like you into thinking they aren't screwing you lol. You need to learn to be more skeptical.

too stupid as usual, liberal !! People on Medicaid don't pool any costs they just take free health care from working people!!

You don't seem to be following. All the people- the people of the US- have decided to pool the risk of becoming disabled to an extent. See, when you become disabled, even if you're insured, you pretty much inevitably end up bankrupt because you often can't work and your copays and various medical needs that aren't covered add up to a lot. So, Medicaid is there so that when a disabled person has exhausted all their savings, they can at least get some help with the medical expenses. As a society, Americans have decided that that is something we want. Not just because it is the decent thing to do, but also because you never know if it is going to happen to you.

if so you would not be so afraid to show an exact Tea Party slogan I blurted out. What does your fear teach you,liberal?

Er, that's all you're posting- viciously stupid teabaggery. Ranting like a moron about how the poor are getting all the money and whatnot. Pull it together man. Try to be a decent human being. Think.

 

[RKMBrown]

I'm brutally aware of the components of the BULL SHIT unemployment rate that goes down when people leave the workplace to become permanent welfare recipients.

Ah, the labor participation rate thing. That is somewhere between a hoax and an exaggeration. Overall, around 1% of the population is "discouraged workers." People who want a job, but aren't looking. That is slightly up from the pre-recession norm, but not enough to dramatically impact the unemployment rate. Are 0.5% is normal and we're at around 1% now.

Do not make the mistake of assuming that everybody who is not participating is "on welfare" or just laying around having given up. The vast majority of people who are not participating fall in three camps- students, retirees under 65 and people who don't work and don't want to who are supported by their spouse. The main reasons the participation rate has been falling since the 1990s is that steadily more baby boomers have reached retirement age and that people are staying in school longer. Interestingly, over the past 15 years or so, we've also seen more people taking time off work to raise kids while their spouse works. The whole "put the kids in daycare from the time they're 3 months old" thing has kind of lost favor since the 1980s among people who can afford not to do it.

As a side note, only 0.5% of the population is on actual welfare (TANF). Far more are on food stamps, but most food stamp recipients work, but just make too little to feed their kids on their wages. When you hear crazy stats from ultra partisan sources about how 30% of the population is "on welfare" or whatever, they are always pulling some trick like counting social security or the EITC tax credit as "welfare."

Bullshit just look at the 10million on disability. 100million Americans on welfare... no that 100million does not include SS. SS is not welfare, duh@@!!!

 

[OnePercenter]

Yes, Soviet Style regulation. Banks have more regulations than nuclear reactors

As they should. Remember, regulations are created because someone tried or did screw someone over.

 

[tuhaybey]

Bullshit just look at the 10million on disability.

Oh this should be good lol. What do you have against disabled people a-hole?

100million Americans on welfare... no that 100million does not include SS. SS is not welfare, duh@@!!!

I already explained to you that that is false. Twice. Do you understand?

 

[Henrik]

In my opinion I think America should expand the defense budget to like 800 billion dollars. Cuts in Medicare to the necessary for people, the police should be more effective and cuts is surely possible. Cuts in the defense department and social securty fee is also possible. Instead, focus on tanks, personnel and mark force.

The society should only obtain the necessary, the taxes and wages should be the same. Minimum wages should be inserted.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Yes, Soviet Style regulation. Banks have more regulations than nuclear reactors

As they should. Remember, regulations are created because someone tried or did screw someone over.

no dear, soviet liberal regulations are created because the liberal lacks the IQ to understand that capitalism is self-regulating; in fact so much so that it drives 10,000 companies a month into bankruptcy.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Bullshit just look at the 10million on disability.

Oh this should be good lol. What do you have against disabled people a-hole?

100million Americans on welfare... no that 100million does not include SS. SS is not welfare, duh@@!!!

I already explained to you that that is false. Twice. Do you understand?

100 million is about right! The liberal objective is to create a permanent crippled and dependent class that will have to vote liberal soviet every time! Obama just demonstrated by putting 12 million on Medicaid!

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Where you got the idea that they[health insurance companaies] are not very profitable

MP: As the table above of Profit Margins by Industry shows (click to enlarge, data here for the most recent quarter), the industry "Health Care Plans" ranks #86 by profit margin (profits/revenue) at 3.3%. Measured by profit margin, there are 85 industries more profitable than Health Care Plans (includes Cigna, Aetna,WellPoint, HealthSpring, etc.).

See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. So, Medicaid is there so that when a disabled person has exhausted all their savings,

too stupid as usual if not a out right lie!!!! Medicaid is also there for someone who drops out of HS and does not want to work but instead chooses to live a lazy life in poverty. It is a way to cripple people, destroy generations of families, and create a dependent voting constituency. This is Obama's liberal soviet legacy!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

if so you would not be so afraid to show an exact Tea Party slogan I blurted out. What does your fear teach you,liberal?

Er, that's all you're posting- viciously stupid teabaggery. Ranting like a moron about how the poor are getting all the money and whatnot. Pull it together man. Try to be a decent human being. Think.[/QUOTE]

if so you would not be so afraid to show an exact Tea Party slogan I blurted out. What does your fear teach you,liberal?

 

[tuhaybey]

too stupid as usual if not a out right lie!!!! Medicaid is also there for someone who drops out of HS and does not want to work but instead chooses to life a lazy life in poverty. It is a way to cripple people, destroy generations of families, and create a dependent voting constituency. This is Obama's liberal soviet legacy!!

What a disgustingly ignorant and vicious thing to say. You need to get yourself better informed and you need to learn to conduct yourself in a more moral manner. This is simply not acceptable for a grown man to behave this way.