Why The Left Loves Socialism

[francoHFW]

Oh, stfu. I was a businessman twice as long as I was a teacher.

Ah... so you're a Renaissance Man? You do a little bit of everything! Jack of all trades, master of none! I see! Well, if you were a businessman and gave that up to be a teacher, you must have been a failure at business. That's probably the source of your lack of confidence in your ability to compete with others. It's so revealing talking with you!

I want exactly what you say you want, but Dems don't make it as hard as possible for people to succeed-

That's exactly what Dems do. You demonize wealth at every turn. You want to raise top marginal income tax rates.. the very people who are trying to become wealthy. And you want to redistribute wealth in order to give it to the poor who are left with no motivation to succeed and turned into dependent wards of the state. You call these people "your base."

expensive college and training, crap salaries and infrastructure, pandering to the rich in taxes etc...

College is expensive because of Democrat policies which doles out billions of dollars in student loans. Salaries are crap because Democrat policies won't stop the flood of illegal immigrants and they give us things like the minimum wage which baselines labor costs and prevents the individual from being able to negotiate better wages. Infrastructures are bad because Democrats spend money set aside for that to fund more social entitlement programs. If Democrats would stop meddling in free market capitalism and let it do it's thing, all these problems would solve themselves and everyone would benefit.

Every GOP myth and talking point, dupe.

 

[Markle]

Bernie !!!!

For the people comrades !!!!!!!! Asswipes

God what a fool...you need a healthy middle class and work force to have a healthy economy. Your greedy idiot GOP have been wrecking them and our infrastructure for 35 years. And brainwashing ignoramuses like you.

EVERYTHING in your signature is bogus. Where did you get those foolish ideas? From "The Nation" talking points?

Sit back and learn. The economy is beginning to explode. We had a Socialist president the past eight years and how did that work out? Not a single year of growth above 3% over the past eight years. Petulant former President Obama sets another record. First president in history to accomplish that over his entire term in office.

All fact, dupe. And Obama was totally obstructed- Reaganism rolls on. Our tax system panders to the rich and can't support in the work force or infrastructure.

You're simply a fool trying to stir the pot. How was petulant former President Obama obstructed? He managed to cram the biggest tax hike in history up our...throats. It is called ObamaCare and its primary use is the redistribution of wealth. Even the architect of the plan called anyone who supported the failed plan, STUPID.

You're a brainwashed, ignorant, functional moron, dupe.Change the channel.
Obama: GOP blocked 500 bills - POLITICO
www.politico.com/story/2014/05/republicans-legislation-obama-dccc-event-106481
May 8, 2014 - President Barack Obama is railing against congressional Republicans, telling a Hollywood crowd that the midterm elections are crucial ...
Republicans' mindless obstruction has helped create something far ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../republicans...obstruction.../46ba9022-e723-11e5-b0...
Mar 11, 2016 - They decided this before President Obama released his budget, refusing ... Republicansonce complained about all the House-passed bills that ...
The Cost To Our Economy From Republican Obstruction And Sabotage
The Cost To Our Economy From Republican Obstruction And Sabotagerepublican-obstruction-and-sa...
Sep 23, 2014 - In the House Republican leadership has been following what is called the “Hastert Rule” toobstruct bills that would win with a majority vote. ... Of particular note among the passed bills is theRepublican “Path to Prosperity Budget” (a.k.a. the “Ryan budget”).

OPINION pieces from three, far left Progressive sites. Way to go!

 

[francoHFW]

Oh, stfu. I was a businessman twice as long as I was a teacher.

Ah... so you're a Renaissance Man? You do a little bit of everything! Jack of all trades, master of none! I see! Well, if you were a businessman and gave that up to be a teacher, you must have been a failure at business. That's probably the source of your lack of confidence in your ability to compete with others. It's so revealing talking with you!

I want exactly what you say you want, but Dems don't make it as hard as possible for people to succeed-

That's exactly what Dems do. You demonize wealth at every turn. You want to raise top marginal income tax rates.. the very people who are trying to become wealthy. And you want to redistribute wealth in order to give it to the poor who are left with no motivation to succeed and turned into dependent wards of the state. You call these people "your base."

expensive college and training, crap salaries and infrastructure, pandering to the rich in taxes etc...

College is expensive because of Democrat policies which doles out billions of dollars in student loans. Salaries are crap because Democrat policies won't stop the flood of illegal immigrants and they give us things like the minimum wage which baselines labor costs and prevents the individual from being able to negotiate better wages. Infrastructures are bad because Democrats spend money set aside for that to fund more social entitlement programs. If Democrats would stop meddling in free market capitalism and let it do it's thing, all these problems would solve themselves and everyone would benefit.

So Dems never wanted free CC and Public College for competition or cheap gov't loans? The rich pay all the taxes? IDIOT.

 

[francoHFW]

Dupe skull is seriously the thickest substance known to science lol...

 

[francoHFW]

Spot when the middle class went to hell yet? Amazing...

Reaganism rolls- see if you can spot when the middle class and country went to hell. DUH.
The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release - Financial Accounts of the United States - Current Release
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-c...lity-in-america-2010-4?slop=1#slideshow-start

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[danielpalos]

I liked being in a socialist organization, the military...

Not a Socialist organization. Please look up the meaning of Socialism.

Yes, it is. I don't get my "encyclopedic" understanding of socialism, from a dictionary.

Why not take a political science class.

 

[Boss]

Oh, stfu. I was a businessman twice as long as I was a teacher.

Ah... so you're a Renaissance Man? You do a little bit of everything! Jack of all trades, master of none! I see! Well, if you were a businessman and gave that up to be a teacher, you must have been a failure at business. That's probably the source of your lack of confidence in your ability to compete with others. It's so revealing talking with you!

I want exactly what you say you want, but Dems don't make it as hard as possible for people to succeed-

That's exactly what Dems do. You demonize wealth at every turn. You want to raise top marginal income tax rates.. the very people who are trying to become wealthy. And you want to redistribute wealth in order to give it to the poor who are left with no motivation to succeed and turned into dependent wards of the state. You call these people "your base."

expensive college and training, crap salaries and infrastructure, pandering to the rich in taxes etc...

College is expensive because of Democrat policies which doles out billions of dollars in student loans. Salaries are crap because Democrat policies won't stop the flood of illegal immigrants and they give us things like the minimum wage which baselines labor costs and prevents the individual from being able to negotiate better wages. Infrastructures are bad because Democrats spend money set aside for that to fund more social entitlement programs. If Democrats would stop meddling in free market capitalism and let it do it's thing, all these problems would solve themselves and everyone would benefit.

Every GOP myth and talking point, dupe.

Newsflash, Einstein... Wealthy people don't EARN taxable incomes. The people who are earning top marginal income are people who are trying to become wealthy... they're not there yet. When they get there, they will generally stop earning wealth because they're rich and don't need to earn any more. Some of them MAY use their wealth to invest in others if they can create more wealth but they don't HAVE to do this because...well... they are RICH! Duh!

And here's another newsflash... No matter WHAT kind of system or society you have or create, there will forever and always be a "Top 1%" and they will forever and always be the "most wealthy" in the society. There has never been and will never be a society anywhere in our universe of reality where the poor people have most of the wealth and the wealthy have the least wealth.... that sort of reality doesn't exist in this universe.... you'll have to put your faith in quantum physics... maybe there is a universe out there where such a thing exists!

 

[danielpalos]

What is your argument? That RWers don't know what socialism is?

No, I assume anyone capable of reading a basic dictionary knows what Socialism is. My question was: Why does the left love Socialism?

I made the argument in the OP that I believe it is due to a lack of confidence in their ability to compete with others. It's interesting, several lefties have transmuted that statement into my claiming they are "afraid of" something, which I never said. I lack confidence in my ability to do some things well but I am seldom afraid to try. So I think this is a Freudian slip... perhaps fear has a lot to do with their lack of confidence?

Why does the Military and its service members on active duty, retirees and vets LOVE Socialism???

You seem to be quite a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Each of the groups you mention is either willing to sacrifice their lives for liberty and capitalism or have already performed their service.

You are confusing regulars with private mercenaries. GI's are "socialized", mercenaries are not.

 

[danielpalos]

Why does the Military and its service members on active duty, retirees and vets LOVE Socialism???

Well again. it's MY contention that those who love Socialism lack confidence in their ability to compete with others. So far, I've seen nothing to challenge my observation but lots to reinforce it. As for those involved in the military, I reject the idea that any substantial amount of them love Socialism. Unless you can provide some statistics to the contrary, I'm going to have to stick with that.

Why do capitalists avoid taxes, if they are so confident in their capital skills?

How much do you add to the very minimum you are allowed to pay by law? When you total the income taxes you owe, do add an additional 20 or 25%? If not, why not?

I don't mind paying taxes on pot.

I also don't believe in lowering taxes while, allegedly, prosecuting "wars" on several fronts.

 

[danielpalos]

Why does the Military and its service members on active duty, retirees and vets LOVE Socialism???

Well again. it's MY contention that those who love Socialism lack confidence in their ability to compete with others. So far, I've seen nothing to challenge my observation but lots to reinforce it. As for those involved in the military, I reject the idea that any substantial amount of them love Socialism. Unless you can provide some statistics to the contrary, I'm going to have to stick with that.

Sure.

When an individual show interest or decides to go into the military where do they go to start the process?

They go to the recruiter-recruiting station. The recruiter and the recruiting station is ALL paid for with socialist tax payer dollars!!!

The recruits simply agree to a socialist agreement by taking the oath!!!

The recruits are either bused or get a plan ride to their socialist training site FREE of charge....because tax payers foot the bill not the private sector.

The recruit gets to training sites and these sites were made possible by the American tax payers!!! The recruits get their hair cuts, then fitted for socialist boots, hats and uniforms....free of any fucking charges!

Ya know why.......that's because the tax payers foot the bill. When the recruits start their socialist training etc. socialist materials and books....all free of charge, because it provided thru tax payer dollars.

[...]

You really need to learn the meaning of Socialism. Obviously, someone has sold you a bill of goods!

it is the right wing, that is usually, clueless and Causeless.

 

[danielpalos]

The Left ejaculate when they think about socialism.

the right does it to avoid taxes, like "big chickens".

Big chickens? You girls really know how to hurt a guy.

Socialists are freaks. Harry Quelch, a fellow socialist of yours, ejactulated all over himself all the time.

only alleged, Capitalists are "afraid of taxes".

 

[danielpalos]

What is your argument? That RWers don't know what socialism is?

No, I assume anyone capable of reading a basic dictionary knows what Socialism is. My question was: Why does the left love Socialism?

I made the argument in the OP that I believe it is due to a lack of confidence in their ability to compete with others. It's interesting, several lefties have transmuted that statement into my claiming they are "afraid of" something, which I never said. I lack confidence in my ability to do some things well but I am seldom afraid to try. So I think this is a Freudian slip... perhaps fear has a lot to do with their lack of confidence?

Why does the Military and its service members on active duty, retirees and vets LOVE Socialism???

You seem to be quite a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Each of the groups you mention is either willing to sacrifice their lives for liberty and capitalism or have already performed their service.

Socialism is simply fair, well regulated capitalism, with a good safety net. Like the military has.

nothing but diversion instead of a valid rebuttal; typical of the clueless and Causeless, right wing.

 

[Conservative65]

what do you mean by "free loader"? anyone who Only has fallacy is a "free loader".

Someone like you that relies on the hard work and finances of others in order to have anything.

 

[Boss]

Spot when the middle class went to hell yet? Amazing...

Reaganism rolls- see if you can spot when the middle class and country went to hell. DUH.
The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release - Financial Accounts of the United States - Current Release
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-c...lity-in-america-2010-4?slop=1#slideshow-start

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Workers, workers, workers, workers... Hey, why not stop being a worker and start being a Boss? If being a worker is so bad and undesirable... just stop doing it! You have that freedom here!

Where you didn't have that freedom is where Socialism cut it's teeth. In 18th century Europe and Asia where tyrants and kings ruled the masses. If you were born a peasant, that was your lot in life... you were a "worker" and you always would be. Socialism was popularized precisely because "the worker" had no hope for their future or the future of their children. This is why modern Socialists MUST recreate this same mindset to promote modern Socialism. You recite the very same garbage as your forefathers of Socialism. You depend on weak minded people who lack the confidence in their ability to compete with others... they are "the workers" who have lost all hope on a better way of life. That's who you sell this Utopian nonsense to because it's easy for the hopeless to believe in something that requires nothing more than their support.

 

[danielpalos]

Bernie !!!!

For the people comrades !!!!!!!! Asswipes

God what a fool...you need a healthy middle class and work force to have a healthy economy. Your greedy idiot GOP have been wrecking them and our infrastructure for 35 years. And brainwashing ignoramuses like you.

EVERYTHING in your signature is bogus. Where did you get those foolish ideas? From "The Nation" talking points?

Sit back and learn. The economy is beginning to explode. We had a Socialist president the past eight years and how did that work out? Not a single year of growth above 3% over the past eight years. Petulant former President Obama sets another record. First president in history to accomplish that over his entire term in office.

All fact, dupe. And Obama was totally obstructed- Reaganism rolls on. Our tax system panders to the rich and can't support in the work force or infrastructure.

You're simply a fool trying to stir the pot. How was petulant former President Obama obstructed? He managed to cram the biggest tax hike in history up our...throats. It is called ObamaCare and its primary use is the redistribution of wealth. Even the architect of the plan called anyone who supported the failed plan, STUPID.

the national socialist right wing, had EIGHT years to come up with more than, nothing but repeal.

They still don't have an, actual plan.

 

[danielpalos]

Well again. it's MY contention that those who love Socialism lack confidence in their ability to compete with others. So far, I've seen nothing to challenge my observation but lots to reinforce it. As for those involved in the military, I reject the idea that any substantial amount of them love Socialism. Unless you can provide some statistics to the contrary, I'm going to have to stick with that.

Sure.

When an individual show interest or decides to go into the military where do they go to start the process?

They go to the recruiter-recruiting station. The recruiter and the recruiting station is ALL paid for with socialist tax payer dollars!!!

The recruits simply agree to a socialist agreement by taking the oath!!!

The recruits are either bused or get a plan ride to their socialist training site FREE of charge....because tax payers foot the bill not the private sector.

The recruit gets to training sites and these sites were made possible by the American tax payers!!! The recruits get their hair cuts, then fitted for socialist boots, hats and uniforms....free of any fucking charges!

Ya know why.......that's because the tax payers foot the bill. When the recruits start their socialist training etc. socialist materials and books....all free of charge, because it provided thru tax payer dollars.

[...]

You really need to learn the meaning of Socialism. Obviously, someone has sold you a bill of goods!

We know- you think it's communism, dupe.

So you have nothing and call me a name. How cute of you!

It's a political term, dupe. You believe a gigantic pile of bs propaganda. Read something and change.

diversion instead of valid arguments; it is all the right wing has.

 

[danielpalos]

what do you mean by "free loader"? anyone who Only has fallacy is a "free loader".

Someone like you that relies on the hard work and finances of others in order to have anything.

pretty funny, coming from the "intellectually bankrupt", national socialist right wing.

 

[Conservative65]

what do you mean by "free loader"? anyone who Only has fallacy is a "free loader".

Someone like you that relies on the hard work and finances of others in order to have anything.

pretty funny, coming from the "intellectually bankrupt", national socialist right wing.

Pretty sad coming from a pussy that runs his damn mouth yet says absolutely nothing.

 

[Markle]

Well again. it's MY contention that those who love Socialism lack confidence in their ability to compete with others. So far, I've seen nothing to challenge my observation but lots to reinforce it. As for those involved in the military, I reject the idea that any substantial amount of them love Socialism. Unless you can provide some statistics to the contrary, I'm going to have to stick with that.

Why do capitalists avoid taxes, if they are so confident in their capital skills?

How much do you add to the very minimum you are allowed to pay by law? When you total the income taxes you owe, do add an additional 20 or 25%? If not, why not?

BTW, Comey is a lying GOP POS. The next day he went back and had to admit it, dupe.

I've heard that far left Progressives have extremely short attention spans. I just didn't realize how short. So...how much did you add to your income taxes? What percentage of all income taxes are paid by the top 5% of earners? You have no clue do you?

BS propaganda.

Fact, dupe. We have a basically flat tax system with the richest getting all the new wealth and YOU and your family and friends going to hell

Thank you for proving my point. As I said, what percent of all income taxes are paid by the top five percent? that would be FORTY-ONE POINT SEVEN PERCENT (41.7%). Going a smidge further, according to your information, from what year you give no clue, the top 10% pay SIXTY-ONE POINT FOUR PERCENT (61.4%). The top 20% pay SEVENTY-NINE POINT NINE PERCENT. Leaving EIGHTY PERCENT of HOUSEHOLDS TO PAY ONLY 20% of our taxes.

Shameful!

Why should anyone get a free ride?

 

[danielpalos]

what do you mean by "free loader"? anyone who Only has fallacy is a "free loader".

Someone like you that relies on the hard work and finances of others in order to have anything.

pretty funny, coming from the "intellectually bankrupt", national socialist right wing.

Pretty sad coming from a pussy that runs his damn mouth yet says absolutely nothing.

you Only prove my point.