Why The Left Loves Socialism

[danielpalos]

Why do capitalists avoid taxes, if they are so confident in their capital skills?

How much do you add to the very minimum you are allowed to pay by law? When you total the income taxes you owe, do add an additional 20 or 25%? If not, why not?

BTW, Comey is a lying GOP POS. The next day he went back and had to admit it, dupe.

I've heard that far left Progressives have extremely short attention spans. I just didn't realize how short. So...how much did you add to your income taxes? What percentage of all income taxes are paid by the top 5% of earners? You have no clue do you?

BS propaganda.

Fact, dupe. We have a basically flat tax system with the richest getting all the new wealth and YOU and your family and friends going to hell

Thank you for proving my point. As I said, what percent of all income taxes are paid by the top five percent? that would be FORTY-ONE POINT SEVEN PERCENT (41.7%). Going a smidge further, according to your information, from what year you give no clue, the top 10% pay SIXTY-ONE POINT FOUR PERCENT (61.4%). The top 20% pay SEVENTY-NINE POINT NINE PERCENT. Leaving EIGHTY PERCENT of HOUSEHOLDS TO PAY ONLY 20% of our taxes.

Shameful!

Why should anyone get a free ride?

How much do the rich, actually pay in personal income tax?

 

[Conservative65]

what do you mean by "free loader"? anyone who Only has fallacy is a "free loader".

Someone like you that relies on the hard work and finances of others in order to have anything.

pretty funny, coming from the "intellectually bankrupt", national socialist right wing.

Pretty sad coming from a pussy that runs his damn mouth yet says absolutely nothing.

you Only prove my point.

You just proved mine that you're a pussy that says absolutely nothing.

 

[Conservative65]

How much do you add to the very minimum you are allowed to pay by law? When you total the income taxes you owe, do add an additional 20 or 25%? If not, why not?

BTW, Comey is a lying GOP POS. The next day he went back and had to admit it, dupe.

I've heard that far left Progressives have extremely short attention spans. I just didn't realize how short. So...how much did you add to your income taxes? What percentage of all income taxes are paid by the top 5% of earners? You have no clue do you?

BS propaganda.

Fact, dupe. We have a basically flat tax system with the richest getting all the new wealth and YOU and your family and friends going to hell

Thank you for proving my point. As I said, what percent of all income taxes are paid by the top five percent? that would be FORTY-ONE POINT SEVEN PERCENT (41.7%). Going a smidge further, according to your information, from what year you give no clue, the top 10% pay SIXTY-ONE POINT FOUR PERCENT (61.4%). The top 20% pay SEVENTY-NINE POINT NINE PERCENT. Leaving EIGHTY PERCENT of HOUSEHOLDS TO PAY ONLY 20% of our taxes.

Shameful!

Why should anyone get a free ride?

How much do the rich, actually pay in personal income tax?

More than the half that pay nothing.

 

[danielpalos]

what do you mean by "free loader"? anyone who Only has fallacy is a "free loader".

Someone like you that relies on the hard work and finances of others in order to have anything.

pretty funny, coming from the "intellectually bankrupt", national socialist right wing.

Pretty sad coming from a pussy that runs his damn mouth yet says absolutely nothing.

you Only prove my point.

You just proved mine that you're a pussy that says absolutely nothing.

it can be difficult to convince, the "intellectually bankrupt".

 

[Conservative65]

Someone like you that relies on the hard work and finances of others in order to have anything.

pretty funny, coming from the "intellectually bankrupt", national socialist right wing.

Pretty sad coming from a pussy that runs his damn mouth yet says absolutely nothing.

you Only prove my point.

You just proved mine that you're a pussy that says absolutely nothing.

it can be difficult to convince, the "intellectually bankrupt".

You don't to try and convince me you're a pussy. You've already done so.

 

[danielpalos]

BTW, Comey is a lying GOP POS. The next day he went back and had to admit it, dupe.

I've heard that far left Progressives have extremely short attention spans. I just didn't realize how short. So...how much did you add to your income taxes? What percentage of all income taxes are paid by the top 5% of earners? You have no clue do you?

BS propaganda.

Fact, dupe. We have a basically flat tax system with the richest getting all the new wealth and YOU and your family and friends going to hell

Thank you for proving my point. As I said, what percent of all income taxes are paid by the top five percent? that would be FORTY-ONE POINT SEVEN PERCENT (41.7%). Going a smidge further, according to your information, from what year you give no clue, the top 10% pay SIXTY-ONE POINT FOUR PERCENT (61.4%). The top 20% pay SEVENTY-NINE POINT NINE PERCENT. Leaving EIGHTY PERCENT of HOUSEHOLDS TO PAY ONLY 20% of our taxes.

Shameful!

Why should anyone get a free ride?

How much do the rich, actually pay in personal income tax?

More than the half that pay nothing.

Why are they getting a "free ride" from the national socialist right wing? The poor don't get a free ride about taxes.

 

[danielpalos]

pretty funny, coming from the "intellectually bankrupt", national socialist right wing.

Pretty sad coming from a pussy that runs his damn mouth yet says absolutely nothing.

you Only prove my point.

You just proved mine that you're a pussy that says absolutely nothing.

it can be difficult to convince, the "intellectually bankrupt".

You don't to try and convince me you're a pussy. You've already done so.

you Only have, ad hominems, which are usually considered fallacies. How "brave" is that for your Cause.

 

[Conservative65]

I've heard that far left Progressives have extremely short attention spans. I just didn't realize how short. So...how much did you add to your income taxes? What percentage of all income taxes are paid by the top 5% of earners? You have no clue do you?

BS propaganda.

Fact, dupe. We have a basically flat tax system with the richest getting all the new wealth and YOU and your family and friends going to hell

Thank you for proving my point. As I said, what percent of all income taxes are paid by the top five percent? that would be FORTY-ONE POINT SEVEN PERCENT (41.7%). Going a smidge further, according to your information, from what year you give no clue, the top 10% pay SIXTY-ONE POINT FOUR PERCENT (61.4%). The top 20% pay SEVENTY-NINE POINT NINE PERCENT. Leaving EIGHTY PERCENT of HOUSEHOLDS TO PAY ONLY 20% of our taxes.

Shameful!

Why should anyone get a free ride?

How much do the rich, actually pay in personal income tax?

More than the half that pay nothing.

Why are they getting a "free ride" from the national socialist right wing? The poor don't get a free ride about taxes.

They aren't but the poor get a free ride every second they live.

 

[Conservative65]

Pretty sad coming from a pussy that runs his damn mouth yet says absolutely nothing.

you Only prove my point.

You just proved mine that you're a pussy that says absolutely nothing.

it can be difficult to convince, the "intellectually bankrupt".

You don't to try and convince me you're a pussy. You've already done so.

you Only have, ad hominems, which are usually considered fallacies. How "brave" is that for your Cause.

The truth isn't an ad hominem. Truth hurt, pussy?

 

[LuckyDuck]

This OP might be a little wordy, so I will go ahead and tell you, if you don't like wordy OPs, you may want to pass this one up and move along. It is intended to address a burning question that many on the right side of the political spectrum have had for a while about the left's fascination with socialism and socialist policies. To answer tough questions, it sometimes takes more than a paragraph. So, forgive me for the length and try to muddle through to glean the overall point.

I watched an old movie the other day. It was from 1949, called The Green Promise, starring a young Natalie Wood as a child and a middle-aged Walter Brennan as her father. In the story, he was a widower with 4 children, three daughters and a son, and he was a farmer. The five of them worked together to make their farm life work and the father was really big on having these "family meetings" where they would routinely vote on various issues and decisions. At first, this is presented as a proud and virtuous way to handle things, democracy in action as opposed to the iron-fisted tyranny of the father. Everyone working together for the common good. It was the perfect model of Democratic Socialism in every respect.

Okay... So the youngest daughter (Natalie Wood), meets this young boy her age, I am guessing they are around 12-13ish... His name is Buzz. Now, Buzz has done very well for himself at his young age. He has a herd of cattle and a prize bull worth over $1,000. He started with two calves his father sold him on credit, which he has long since paid for. She admires he has done this on his own at his age, and she starts thinking about doing the same thing with a couple of lambs. One of the protagonists in the story is a County Extension Agent who is trying to help the farmers in his community with advice and mentors to the young people by introducing them to the 4-H Club. He kind of puts the notion in the young daughter's head that she can do the same thing as Buzz and raise two lambs into her own flock of sheep.

Her oldest sister is kind of taking on the role of matriarch, is on her side. She explains how she understands how it's important for her to do this because it's her individuality and sense of self-accomplishment. The middle sister is unsympathetic because she is a suck-up to the father for attention. So this issue of her getting two lambs to raise on her own finally comes to a "family meeting" where a vote will be cast on what they should do. The father has his mind set on purchasing a tractor, even though it's something they really can't afford. And this is where the model of Democratic Socialism goes awry.

The father begins the meeting with a little lecture to his young daughter that her idea of raising two lambs on her own is selfish and it must be because she doesn't love the rest of her family. Greed is the only reason he can see for her wanting to do this. He then demands the family show hands if they oppose the idea. The older daughter speaks up, asking why not show hands in favor first, and he quickly shoots back... it doesn't matter! Of course, he has already raised his hand in opposition, and the suck-up middle daughter raises her hand. His son, sits there contemplating the situation... he is going to be the deciding vote and he has to live with his dad. You can tell that he begrudgingly votes with the dad, which seals the deal. The father goes on to lobby through his idea of buying a tractor and the little girl's dream is crushed.

Now, as fate would have it, the father is injured severely on the farm and the older daughter has to take over running the farm. So she ends up approving the young daughter's plan if she can raise the money to buy the initial lambs. She does so with the help of the County Extension Agent. A lot of other things take place as well but the father finally comes to realize the error of his ways and this is where I gained some insight into why I believe the left is so fascinated with Socialism, and why most people are so enamored.

In his confessional, he admits that his reluctance to allow his children to be independent, the reason he insisted on everyone working together as a cooperative unit, was because he was afraid to compete, afraid of his own lack of ability. As long as everyone was working for the common cause, he felt secure, he didn't have to worry about being left alone to fend for himself. This is where I realized what lies behind this modern Democrat Socialist view of the world and what is motivating it. These are people who are afraid to compete as individuals because they have no confidence in their own ability. They feel more secure as part of a supporting cast who can carry most of the load and where their underachievement can be hidden. They are unwilling to let that go, even though it stifles individuality and sense of self-accomplishment for others.

Hmmm.....needed a costumed superhero and explosions.

 

[francoHFW]

Spot when the middle class went to hell yet? Amazing...

Reaganism rolls- see if you can spot when the middle class and country went to hell. DUH.
The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release - Financial Accounts of the United States - Current Release
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-c...lity-in-america-2010-4?slop=1#slideshow-start

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Workers, workers, workers, workers... Hey, why not stop being a worker and start being a Boss? If being a worker is so bad and undesirable... just stop doing it! You have that freedom here!

Where you didn't have that freedom is where Socialism cut it's teeth. In 18th century Europe and Asia where tyrants and kings ruled the masses. If you were born a peasant, that was your lot in life... you were a "worker" and you always would be. Socialism was popularized precisely because "the worker" had no hope for their future or the future of their children. This is why modern Socialists MUST recreate this same mindset to promote modern Socialism. You recite the very same garbage as your forefathers of Socialism. You depend on weak minded people who lack the confidence in their ability to compete with others... they are "the workers" who have lost all hope on a better way of life. That's who you sell this Utopian nonsense to because it's easy for the hopeless to believe in something that requires nothing more than their support.

Upward mobillity is the worst ever....After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

 

[francoHFW]

you Only prove my point.

You just proved mine that you're a pussy that says absolutely nothing.

it can be difficult to convince, the "intellectually bankrupt".

You don't to try and convince me you're a pussy. You've already done so.

you Only have, ad hominems, which are usually considered fallacies. How "brave" is that for your Cause.

The truth isn't an ad hominem. Truth hurt, pussy?

Dumbass dupes...getting physical lol...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

 

[Conservative65]

You just proved mine that you're a pussy that says absolutely nothing.

it can be difficult to convince, the "intellectually bankrupt".

You don't to try and convince me you're a pussy. You've already done so.

you Only have, ad hominems, which are usually considered fallacies. How "brave" is that for your Cause.

The truth isn't an ad hominem. Truth hurt, pussy?

Dumbass dupes...getting physical lol...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

I'm neither. I'm not a Hillary supporter like you.

Those you call victims are the cause of their own piss poor situation. If they spent 1/4 the time improving themselves as they do incorrectly blaming someone else for their situation, they wouldn't have to worry. Look at all of us that are examples of doing just that. It works if you want to succeed. It doesn't if you want to have an excuse.

 

[francoHFW]

Why do capitalists avoid taxes, if they are so confident in their capital skills?

How much do you add to the very minimum you are allowed to pay by law? When you total the income taxes you owe, do add an additional 20 or 25%? If not, why not?

BTW, Comey is a lying GOP POS. The next day he went back and had to admit it, dupe.

I've heard that far left Progressives have extremely short attention spans. I just didn't realize how short. So...how much did you add to your income taxes? What percentage of all income taxes are paid by the top 5% of earners? You have no clue do you?

BS propaganda.

Fact, dupe. We have a basically flat tax system with the richest getting all the new wealth and YOU and your family and friends going to hell

Thank you for proving my point. As I said, what percent of all income taxes are paid by the top five percent? that would be FORTY-ONE POINT SEVEN PERCENT (41.7%). Going a smidge further, according to your information, from what year you give no clue, the top 10% pay SIXTY-ONE POINT FOUR PERCENT (61.4%). The top 20% pay SEVENTY-NINE POINT NINE PERCENT. Leaving EIGHTY PERCENT of HOUSEHOLDS TO PAY ONLY 20% of our taxes.

Shameful!

Why should anyone get a free ride?

Your "point" is brainwash, for ignorant dupes only. And of course only fed income taxes, all the brainwashed can talk about...The GOP cuts those, and all the other taxes go up, the ones that KILL the nonrich. YOU.

 

[francoHFW]

it can be difficult to convince, the "intellectually bankrupt".

You don't to try and convince me you're a pussy. You've already done so.

you Only have, ad hominems, which are usually considered fallacies. How "brave" is that for your Cause.

The truth isn't an ad hominem. Truth hurt, pussy?

Dumbass dupes...getting physical lol...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

I'm neither. I'm not a Hillary supporter like you.

Those you call victims are the cause of their own piss poor situation. If they spent 1/4 the time improving themselves as they do incorrectly blaming someone else for their situation, they wouldn't have to worry. Look at all of us that are examples of doing just that. It works if you want to succeed. It doesn't if you want to have an excuse.

Yup. Has nothing to do with what the New BS GOP has done. People just decided to get lazy. Brainwashed functional moron.

 

[Conservative65]

You don't to try and convince me you're a pussy. You've already done so.

you Only have, ad hominems, which are usually considered fallacies. How "brave" is that for your Cause.

The truth isn't an ad hominem. Truth hurt, pussy?

Dumbass dupes...getting physical lol...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

I'm neither. I'm not a Hillary supporter like you.

Those you call victims are the cause of their own piss poor situation. If they spent 1/4 the time improving themselves as they do incorrectly blaming someone else for their situation, they wouldn't have to worry. Look at all of us that are examples of doing just that. It works if you want to succeed. It doesn't if you want to have an excuse.

Yup. Has nothing to do with what the New BS GOP has done. People just decided to get lazy. Brainwashed functional moron.

People got lazy because bleeding heart Liberals like you enabled them to do while getting a check as if they had worked for it.

I'm not the one that thinks handing someone something they didn't earn will motivate them to do better. It's failed to the tune of $22 trillion over 50 years yet you assholes on the left still think it will work. If someone isn't willing to do for themselves what they should be doing for themselves, I willing to let to do without.

 

[francoHFW]

it can be difficult to convince, the "intellectually bankrupt".

You don't to try and convince me you're a pussy. You've already done so.

you Only have, ad hominems, which are usually considered fallacies. How "brave" is that for your Cause.

The truth isn't an ad hominem. Truth hurt, pussy?

Dumbass dupes...getting physical lol...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

I'm neither. I'm not a Hillary supporter like you.

Those you call victims are the cause of their own piss poor situation. If they spent 1/4 the time improving themselves as they do incorrectly blaming someone else for their situation, they wouldn't have to worry. Look at all of us that are examples of doing just that. It works if you want to succeed. It doesn't if you want to have an excuse.

I voted for Bernie first, and for POLICY. You voted for a tax cut for the rich, bs hate propaganda, and the old bait and switch.

 

[Conservative65]

How much do you add to the very minimum you are allowed to pay by law? When you total the income taxes you owe, do add an additional 20 or 25%? If not, why not?

BTW, Comey is a lying GOP POS. The next day he went back and had to admit it, dupe.

I've heard that far left Progressives have extremely short attention spans. I just didn't realize how short. So...how much did you add to your income taxes? What percentage of all income taxes are paid by the top 5% of earners? You have no clue do you?

BS propaganda.

Fact, dupe. We have a basically flat tax system with the richest getting all the new wealth and YOU and your family and friends going to hell

Thank you for proving my point. As I said, what percent of all income taxes are paid by the top five percent? that would be FORTY-ONE POINT SEVEN PERCENT (41.7%). Going a smidge further, according to your information, from what year you give no clue, the top 10% pay SIXTY-ONE POINT FOUR PERCENT (61.4%). The top 20% pay SEVENTY-NINE POINT NINE PERCENT. Leaving EIGHTY PERCENT of HOUSEHOLDS TO PAY ONLY 20% of our taxes.

Shameful!

Why should anyone get a free ride?

Your "point" is brainwash, for ignorant dupes only. And of course only fed income taxes, all the brainwashed can talk about...The GOP cuts those, and all the other taxes go up, the ones that KILL the nonrich. YOU.

Still posting that bullshit graph claiming that everyone pays more than 20% in taxes? It's not true and your claim has been debunked using your own source.

Hey asshole, income taxes were cut for all groups that actually pay them. The only group that didn't get an income tax cut was those already paying none.

 

[Conservative65]

You don't to try and convince me you're a pussy. You've already done so.

you Only have, ad hominems, which are usually considered fallacies. How "brave" is that for your Cause.

The truth isn't an ad hominem. Truth hurt, pussy?

Dumbass dupes...getting physical lol...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

I'm neither. I'm not a Hillary supporter like you.

Those you call victims are the cause of their own piss poor situation. If they spent 1/4 the time improving themselves as they do incorrectly blaming someone else for their situation, they wouldn't have to worry. Look at all of us that are examples of doing just that. It works if you want to succeed. It doesn't if you want to have an excuse.

I voted for Bernie first, and for POLICY. You voted for a tax cut for the rich, bs hate propaganda, and the old bait and switch.

I voted for what has worked for me. Don't like it, tough shit, NL.

 

[francoHFW]

you Only have, ad hominems, which are usually considered fallacies. How "brave" is that for your Cause.

The truth isn't an ad hominem. Truth hurt, pussy?

Dumbass dupes...getting physical lol...
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

I'm neither. I'm not a Hillary supporter like you.

Those you call victims are the cause of their own piss poor situation. If they spent 1/4 the time improving themselves as they do incorrectly blaming someone else for their situation, they wouldn't have to worry. Look at all of us that are examples of doing just that. It works if you want to succeed. It doesn't if you want to have an excuse.

Yup. Has nothing to do with what the New BS GOP has done. People just decided to get lazy. Brainwashed functional moron.

People got lazy because bleeding heart Liberals like you enabled them to do while getting a check as if they had worked for it.

I'm not the one that thinks handing someone something they didn't earn will motivate them to do better. It's failed to the tune of $22 trillion over 50 years yet you assholes on the left still think it will work. If someone isn't willing to do for themselves what they should be doing for themselves, I willing to let to do without.

Try free public college like before Reagan, dupe. Your party panders to the rich 100% and tells your friends and family they're lazy...You'll figure it out someday...