Why we have gun crime...7 time felon with 4th gun case freed on ankle monitor tries to shoot and kill his girlfriend. Thanks democrats.

[Blues Man]

No, but it will make them less deadly...

You have to do a whole lot of things to get gun violence under control.

Other countries have done them, which is why they don't have a mass shooting every day like we do.

No it won't since any other rifle can do the same thing

 

[Dadoalex]

You obviously don't realize how hard it is to amend the Constitution.

Don't need to amend.
Just need to interpret the words as they were interpreted for over 200 years.

 

[Bell Huey]

Don't need to amend.
Just need to interpret the words as they were interpreted for over 200 years.

It is interpreted just fine.

 

[LibertyKid]

Sure I do. It's just not the answer you want to hear.
If gun ownership was an absolute, it shouldn't have taken two centuries to figure that out.



Except they did nothing of the sort. When the British marched on Lexington, it was to seize a local armory for the militia, it was not to go to each and every house and take guns most people didn't have.

Their understanding of "Keep and bear arms" meant well regulated militias.

Read this and tell me the people weren't to be armed and only applied to militias.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2-2/ALDE_00013262/

Second Amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Historical surveys of the Second Amendment often trace its roots, at least in part, through the English Bill of Rights of 1689,1 which declared that subjects, which are protestants, may have arms for their defence suitable to their condition, and as allowed by law.2 That provision grew out of friction over the English Crown’s efforts to use loyal militias to control and disarm dissidents and enhance the Crown’s standing army, among other things, prior to the Glorious Revolution that supplanted King James II in favor of William and Mary.3

The early American experience with militias and military authority would inform what would become the Second Amendment as well. In Founding-era America, citizen militias drawn from the local community existed to provide for the common defense, and standing armies of professional soldiers were viewed by some with suspicion. The Declaration of Independence listed as greivances against King George III that he had affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power and had kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.5 Following the Revolutionary War, several states codified constitutional arms-bearing rights in contexts that echoed these concerns—for instance, Article XIII of the Pennsylvania Declaration of Rights of 1776 read:

That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.6

Similarly, as another example, Massachusetts’s Declaration of Rights from 1780 provided:

The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence. And as, in time of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be maintained without the consent of the legislature; and the military power shall always be held in an exact subordination to the civil authority, and be governed by it.7

Mistrust of standing armies, like the one employed by the English Crown to control the colonies, and anti-Federalist concerns with centralized military power colored the debate surrounding ratification of the federal Constitution and the need for a Bill of Rights.8 Provisions in the Constitution gave Congress power to establish and fund an Army,9 as well as authority to organize, arm, discipline, and call forth the militia in certain circumstances (while reserving to the states authority over appointment of militia officers and training).10 The motivation for these provisions appears to have been recognition of the danger of relying on inadequately trained soldiers as the primary means of providing for the common defense.11 However, despite structural limitations such as a two-year limit on Army appropriations and certain militia reservations to the states, fears remained during the ratification debates that these provisions of the Constitution gave too much power to the federal government and were dangerous to liberty.12

In the Federalist, James Madison argued that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be more than adequate to counterbalance a federally controlled regular army, even one fully equal to the resources of the country.13 In Madison’s view, the advantage of being armed, together with the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.14 Nevertheless, several states considered or proposed to the First Congress constitutional amendments that would explicitly protect arms-bearing rights, in various formulations.15

Tasked with digesting the many proposals for amendments made by the various state ratification conventions and stewarding them through the First Federal Congress,16 James Madison produced an initial draft of the Second Amendment as follows:

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.17

The committee of the House of Representatives that considered Madison’s formulation altered the order of the clauses such that the militia clause now came first, with a new specification of the militia as composed of the body of the people, and made several other wording and punctuation changes.18

Debate in the House largely centered on the proposed Amendment’s religious-objector clause, with Elbridge Gerry, for instance, arguing that the clause would give the people in power the ability to declare who are those religiously scrupulous, and prevent them from bearing arms.19 Gerry proposed that the provision be confined to persons belonging to a religious sect scrupulous of bearing arms, but his proposed addition was not accepted.20 Other proposals not accepted included striking out the entire clause, making it subject to paying an equivalent, which Roger Sherman found problematic given religious objectors would be equally scrupulous of getting substitutes or paying an equivalent,21 and adding after a well regulated militia the phrase trained to arms, which Elbridge Gerry believed would make clear that it was the duty of the Government to provide the referenced security of a free State.22

As resolved by the House of Representatives on August 24, 1789, the version of the Second Amendment sent to the Senate remained similar to the version initially drafted by James Madison, with one of the largest changes being the re-ordering of the first two clauses.23 The provision at that time read:

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the People, being the best security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.24

The Amendment would take what would become its final form in the Senate, where the religious-objector clause was finally removed and several other phrases were modified.25 For instance, the phrase referencing the militia as composed of the body of the People was struck, and the descriptor of the militia as the best security of a free State was modified to necessary to the security of a free State.26 Several other changes were proposed and rejected, including adding limitations on a standing army in time of peace and adding next to the words bear arms the phrase for the common defence.27 The final language of the Second Amendment was agreed to and transmitted to the states in late September of 1789.28

And if you would like additional perspective, read this:https://constitutioncenter.org/images/uploads/news/CNN_Aug_11.pdf

Excerpt from the link above:
What are Arms in this context, and what is the scope of bearing Arms? In the "District of Columbia v. Heller," the Supreme Court decided the rights outlined by the Second Amendment did apply specifically to possession of firearms for purposes of selfdefense. The decision struck down the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975, which heavily regulated owning and keeping firearms in the District of Columbia.

DocumentCloud

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In the above excerpt, we can see the Court considered the awkward phrasing of the Amendment. The Justices divided the Amendment into an operative clause: "right of the people to keep and bear arms," and a prefatory clause: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State." The court determined the relationship between these phrases, as well as the historical context of the Constutition's creation, clearly provided an individual right. The term "arms" is also an ever-changing one, and there are ongoing debates about assault weapons and emerging firearm technologies.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yes, you should be humbled, Chat-Bot.



You don't need to.

Two SCOTUS replacements... and the Second Amendment is about Militias again. And Americans will be happier for it because we've had 225 mass shootings so far this year, I think we are all getting a little tired of it.

How many criminals do you think pay any attention to the law at all? Hint: they are criminals BECAUSE THEY VIOLATE THE LAW.

 

[Dadoalex]

It is interpreted just fine.

No...but one day soon...

 

[Blues Man]

Don't need to amend.
Just need to interpret the words as they were interpreted for over 200 years.

Too bad for you then isn't it?

The second is and always was about the right of THE PEOPLE not the militia, not the states

 

[Dadoalex]

Too bad for you then isn't it?

The second is and always was about the right of THE PEOPLE not the militia, not the states

I guess you were born in 2001.
Does your mom know you're here?

 

[hadit]

Maybe we should hold the gun industry accountable for making them so easy to get. Come on, guy you can't whine about "gun laws" when the NRA runs to Congress getting more protection for the gun industry.

Oh, hey, that's right. You claimed you had proof of the gun industry marketing to crazies, but you refused to post any. Have you found any since then?

 

[JoeB131]

We have mass shootings everyday? I didn't read about yesterday's mass shooting. Where did it take place?

You didn't?

New Mexico Shooter’s Victims Included 97-Year-Old and Her Daughter, Police Say (Published 2023)

The shooter, Beau Wilson, 18, a high school student who fired at random, killed three people before he was fatally shot by the police in Farmington, N.M., the authorities said.

www.nytimes.com

An 18-year-old gunman fired indiscriminately at houses and vehicles while roaming a residential street in Farmington, N.M., on Monday morning, killing three people — including a 97-year-old woman and her daughter — before the police arrived and killed the suspect in a firefight, the authorities said. Six other people, including two officers, were injured.

The police identified the suspect as Beau Wilson, a student at Farmington High School who went on the rampage with three firearms, including an assault-style rifle. More than 100 rounds were fired between the suspect and police, with at least three officers rushing to the scene without body armor because the shooting started when they were on their way to lunch, the authorities said.

 

[JoeB131]

Read this and tell me the people weren't to be armed and only applied to militias.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2-2/ALDE_00013262/
Second Amendment:

TL;DR.

Tell you one thing, Tommy Jefferson didn't want Sally Hemmings to be packing heat...

And you can guess why.

 

[Hollie]

You didn't?

New Mexico Shooter’s Victims Included 97-Year-Old and Her Daughter, Police Say (Published 2023)

The shooter, Beau Wilson, 18, a high school student who fired at random, killed three people before he was fatally shot by the police in Farmington, N.M., the authorities said.

www.nytimes.com

An 18-year-old gunman fired indiscriminately at houses and vehicles while roaming a residential street in Farmington, N.M., on Monday morning, killing three people — including a 97-year-old woman and her daughter — before the police arrived and killed the suspect in a firefight, the authorities said. Six other people, including two officers, were injured.

The police identified the suspect as Beau Wilson, a student at Farmington High School who went on the rampage with three firearms, including an assault-style rifle. More than 100 rounds were fired between the suspect and police, with at least three officers rushing to the scene without body armor because the shooting started when they were on their way to lunch, the authorities said.

Wrong date, laddie.

 

[Blues Man]

I guess you were born in 2001.
Does your mom know you're here?

My mother died when I was 14.

Does you mama still wipe your ass?

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong date, laddie.

Nope. YOu asked what happened "Yesterday" (which was the 15th). I gave you the mass shooting for the 15th.

There was a mass shooting on the 16th, too.

4 injured in San Antonio.

 

[Hollie]

Nope. YOu asked what happened "Yesterday" (which was the 15th). I gave you the mass shooting for the 15th.

There was a mass shooting on the 16th, too.

4 injured in San Antonio.

We'll need a list covering the last several weeks of the daily mass shootings you claim occur.

Thanks.

 

[JoeB131]

We'll need a list covering the last several weeks of the daily mass shootings you claim occur.

Google is your friend.

 

[Hollie]

Google is your friend.

Predictable. You make false claims you can't defend.

 

[Dadoalex]

My mother died when I was 14.

Does you mama still wipe your ass?

So, last week?

 

[Blues Man]

So, last week?

No, that was the last time your mama bathed you

 

[Dadoalex]

No, that was the last time your mama bathed you

Wasn't me or mine. Looks like you have fantasies over the Dado.
Sorry, I don't roll that way but I'm sure your fellows do.