Why we should listen to the 97%

[PMZ]

That's a great, nay, necessary result for the country though their extinction will be noisy.

Yep, there it is again -- the progressive Solution to dissent.

And it's their usual Final one.

Conservatism is not the first dysfunctional political movement to be rejected by democracy.

Look at communism as an example.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ever heard of the Permean Extinction? This is what they think happened during that event.

Permian?Triassic extinction event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, analysis of the fossil river deposits of the floodplains indicate a shift from meandering to braided river patterns, indicating an abrupt drying of the climate.[62] The climate change may have taken as little as 100,000 years, prompting the extinction of the unique Glossopteris flora and its herbivores, followed by the carnivorous guild.[63]​

We must adopt world socialism NOW to save us from this imminent threat!!

I think you have a false sense of complacency. If you think that the collapse of the food chain isn't going to have a major impact on civilization, you're in for a big surprise. Maybe Soylent Green will become available. Won't that be great.

It's collapsing already!


WASDE: Corn Yields Higher Despite Warm Weather [Teucrium Corn Fund, Teucrium Soybean Fund, Teucrium Wheat Fund] - Seeking Alpha

 

[PMZ]

As long as they can tell each other that science is evil they have a chance at their pitiful goal.

Son, you need to stop lying. Now.

We've told you time and again we support science...but we DON'T support your flawed climate science.

Predictably, this will not sink in, because you're not sophisticated enough to counter your programming.

So you'll just keep lying.

Dumbass kid.

You support science only if it supports your politics. It doesn't.

 

[Foxfyre]

Everything you said is true. I want to add one point to it. It has been theorized that a 5 degree C rise will not just make the Earth hotter. It will raise the alkalinity of the oceans to the point where phytoplankton (the base of the food chain) will die off. It will essentially kill the oceans.

You'll have to explain why this have never happened in the past when the temperature was often far more than 5 degrees warmer than it is today.

It's obviously just another hysterical warmist bullshit theory.

Ever heard of the Permean Extinction? This is what they think happened during that event.

Permian?Triassic extinction event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have you ever read the myriad theories of the Permian Extinction? Probably a plurality of scientists go with a large asteroid strike. Which would suggest that we would be more productive studying more of the sky for possible deadly approaching objects and figuring out a feasible way to destroy or deflect them instead of wasting trillions on trying to stop AGW. One thing is for absolute certain--we have had devastating asteoid strikes in the past and we will have more in the future.

But back to the Permian extinction. . . .

Another sizable group of credible scientists go with a natural climate shift that melted the ice caps and stagnated (poisoned) the oceans for awhile.

Still another group goes with a massive series of volcanic eruptions creating devastating acid rain.

And some other lesser theories are thrown in there too. Nobody with any serious scientific credentials can say with any degree of confidence what did cause the event. But we can say with absolute certainty that humans had absolutely nothing to do with it.

We can also say with absolute certainty that even though the wide variety of plant and animal life on Planet Earth was severely depleted as a result of that event, life regenerated itself again, and evolution continued unabated to give us the subsequent coming of and then extinction of the dinosaurs followed by the evolvement of the ancestors of existing plant and animal life on Earth.

Life is a resilent and persistent thing and we do far better if we adjust and adapt to the inevitable changing climate of our wonderful planet rather than think we can do a better job running things than God/nature.

 

[Abraham3]

But we can say with absolute certainty that humans had absolutely nothing to do with it.

We can also say with absolute certainty that even though the wide variety of plant and animal life on Planet Earth was severely depleted as a result of that event, life regenerated itself again, and evolution continued unabated to give us the subsequent coming of and then extinction of the dinosaurs followed by the evolvement of the ancestors of existing plant and animal life on Earth.

Life is a resilent and persistent thing and we do far better if we adjust and adapt to the inevitable changing climate of our wonderful planet rather than think we can do a better job running things than God/nature.

I believe the point was that the changes experienced during the Permian extinction had a dire effect on the plantetary biosphere. That man did not cause it is completely irrelevant. I'm glad you admit that much of this planet's life died at that time. I'm not so glad that you seem to just blow that off as it weren't important.

God has nothing to do with global warming just as it had nothing to do with the Permian Extinction. You seem to be saying that if millions die because of this, it will have been God's will and we shouldn't question it. IS that what you want to say? Cause that's a whole different topic.

 

[JoeNormal]

You'll have to explain why this have never happened in the past when the temperature was often far more than 5 degrees warmer than it is today.

It's obviously just another hysterical warmist bullshit theory.

Ever heard of the Permean Extinction? This is what they think happened during that event.

Permian?Triassic extinction event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have you ever read the myriad theories of the Permian Extinction? Probably a plurality of scientists go with a large asteroid strike. Which would suggest that we would be more productive studying more of the sky for possible deadly approaching objects and figuring out a feasible way to destroy or deflect them instead of wasting trillions on trying to stop AGW. One thing is for absolute certain--we have had devastating asteoid strikes in the past and we will have more in the future.

But back to the Permian extinction. . . .

Another sizable group of credible scientists go with a natural climate shift that melted the ice caps and stagnated (poisoned) the oceans for awhile.

Still another group goes with a massive series of volcanic eruptions creating devastating acid rain.

And some other lesser theories are thrown in there too. Nobody with any serious scientific credentials can say with any degree of confidence what did cause the event. But we can say with absolute certainty that humans had absolutely nothing to do with it.

We can also say with absolute certainty that even though the wide variety of plant and animal life on Planet Earth was severely depleted as a result of that event, life regenerated itself again, and evolution continued unabated to give us the subsequent coming of and then extinction of the dinosaurs followed by the evolvement of the ancestors of existing plant and animal life on Earth.

Life is a resilent and persistent thing and we do far better if we adjust and adapt to the inevitable changing climate of our wonderful planet rather than think we can do a better job running things than God/nature.

Am I supposed to take comfort in the notion that if we turn the Earth into a barren rock, it won't stay a barren rock forever?

 

[Foxfyre]

But we can say with absolute certainty that humans had absolutely nothing to do with it.

We can also say with absolute certainty that even though the wide variety of plant and animal life on Planet Earth was severely depleted as a result of that event, life regenerated itself again, and evolution continued unabated to give us the subsequent coming of and then extinction of the dinosaurs followed by the evolvement of the ancestors of existing plant and animal life on Earth.

Life is a resilent and persistent thing and we do far better if we adjust and adapt to the inevitable changing climate of our wonderful planet rather than think we can do a better job running things than God/nature.

I believe the point was that the changes experienced during the Permian extinction had a dire effect on the plantetary biosphere. That man did not cause it is completely irrelevant. I'm glad you admit that much of this planet's life died at that time. I'm not so glad that you seem to just blow that off as it weren't important.

God has nothing to do with global warming just as it had nothing to do with the Permian Extinction. You seem to be saying that if millions die because of this, it was God's will and we shouldn't question it. IS that what you want to say?

Hear that whistling sound? That's yet another point going flying over Abraham's (or whoever he is) head.

I still say it is something in the water that liberals drink that destroys a component of their reading comprehension function.

 

[PMZ]

Everything you said is true. I want to add one point to it. It has been theorized that a 5 degree C rise will not just make the Earth hotter. It will raise the alkalinity of the oceans to the point where phytoplankton (the base of the food chain) will die off. It will essentially kill the oceans.

You can see from the posts between yours and this one why conservatives are passionately against simple truth. They just don't want to know. As long as they can tell each other that science is evil they have a chance at their pitiful goal. Getting other people and future generations to pay their bills. A blatantly entitled world view.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

That's a great, nay, necessary result for the country though their extinction will be noisy.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

You're right, the entire world is united behind your CO2 reduction schemes, except for a few anti-science Republicans.

Remind me again how many votes Cap and Trade and the Kyoto Treaty received in the US Senate.

Thanks!

The world has no scheme to reduce the present levels of CO2.

Are you implying that everybody who favors using science to find the least cost path to sustainable energy favors the Kyoto Treaty?

I, for one, don't.

 

[PMZ]

You can see from the posts between yours and this one why conservatives are passionately against simple truth. They just don't want to know. As long as they can tell each other that science is evil they have a chance at their pitiful goal. Getting other people and future generations to pay their bills. A blatantly entitled world view.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

That's a great, nay, necessary result for the country though their extinction will be noisy.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

You're right, the entire world is united behind your CO2 reduction schemes, except for a few anti-science Republicans.

Remind me again how many votes Cap and Trade and the Kyoto Treaty received in the US Senate.

Thanks!

The world has no scheme to reduce the present levels of CO2.

Are you implying that everybody who favors using science to find the least cost path to sustainable energy favors the Kyoto Treaty?

I, for one, don't.

Everything you said is true. I want to add one point to it. It has been theorized that a 5 degree C rise will not just make the Earth hotter. It will raise the alkalinity of the oceans to the point where phytoplankton (the base of the food chain) will die off. It will essentially kill the oceans.

You can see from the posts between yours and this one why conservatives are passionately against simple truth. They just don't want to know. As long as they can tell each other that science is evil they have a chance at their pitiful goal. Getting other people and future generations to pay their bills. A blatantly entitled world view.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

That's a great, nay, necessary result for the country though their extinction will be noisy.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

You're right, the entire world is united behind your CO2 reduction schemes, except for a few anti-science Republicans.

Remind me again how many votes Cap and Trade and the Kyoto Treaty received in the US Senate.

Thanks!

Here, learn up on cap and trade.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Clean_Energy_and_Security_Act

 

[PMZ]

We don't know for sure how much that climate will change from the current atmospheric load of GHGs.

Quick, let's spend tens of trillions, before we find out!!!!

So far, you are the only one proposing that.

We're engaged in using science to discover what the least cost path is between here and the inevitable change to sustainable energy.

Whenever government spending and coercion is involved, you can guarantee it's not the "least cost path".

Yeah, mankind was so much better off before government. In fact Somalia is still reaping those benefits.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You can see from the posts between yours and this one why conservatives are passionately against simple truth. They just don't want to know. As long as they can tell each other that science is evil they have a chance at their pitiful goal. Getting other people and future generations to pay their bills. A blatantly entitled world view.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

That's a great, nay, necessary result for the country though their extinction will be noisy.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

You're right, the entire world is united behind your CO2 reduction schemes, except for a few anti-science Republicans.

Remind me again how many votes Cap and Trade and the Kyoto Treaty received in the US Senate.

Thanks!

The world has no scheme to reduce the present levels of CO2.

Are you implying that everybody who favors using science to find the least cost path to sustainable energy favors the Kyoto Treaty?

I, for one, don't.

The world has no scheme to reduce the present levels of CO2.

I'm talking about future levels.
How's that world-wide plan working out?

Are you implying that everybody who favors using science to find the least cost path to sustainable energy favors the Kyoto Treaty?

Are you saying the Kyoto Treaty didn't pass the US Senate?
Was it at least close? Except for those few, anti-science Republicans?

 

[PMZ]

You'll have to explain why this have never happened in the past when the temperature was often far more than 5 degrees warmer than it is today.

It's obviously just another hysterical warmist bullshit theory.

Ever heard of the Permean Extinction? This is what they think happened during that event.

Permian?Triassic extinction event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have you ever read the myriad theories of the Permian Extinction? Probably a plurality of scientists go with a large asteroid strike. Which would suggest that we would be more productive studying more of the sky for possible deadly approaching objects and figuring out a feasible way to destroy or deflect them instead of wasting trillions on trying to stop AGW. One thing is for absolute certain--we have had devastating asteoid strikes in the past and we will have more in the future.

But back to the Permian extinction. . . .

Another sizable group of credible scientists go with a natural climate shift that melted the ice caps and stagnated (poisoned) the oceans for awhile.

Still another group goes with a massive series of volcanic eruptions creating devastating acid rain.

And some other lesser theories are thrown in there too. Nobody with any serious scientific credentials can say with any degree of confidence what did cause the event. But we can say with absolute certainty that humans had absolutely nothing to do with it.

We can also say with absolute certainty that even though the wide variety of plant and animal life on Planet Earth was severely depleted as a result of that event, life regenerated itself again, and evolution continued unabated to give us the subsequent coming of and then extinction of the dinosaurs followed by the evolvement of the ancestors of existing plant and animal life on Earth.

Life is a resilent and persistent thing and we do far better if we adjust and adapt to the inevitable changing climate of our wonderful planet rather than think we can do a better job running things than God/nature.

Maybe if the human race goes extinct we'll get replaced by something better. No conservatives for example.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

You're right, the entire world is united behind your CO2 reduction schemes, except for a few anti-science Republicans.

Remind me again how many votes Cap and Trade and the Kyoto Treaty received in the US Senate.

Thanks!

The world has no scheme to reduce the present levels of CO2.

Are you implying that everybody who favors using science to find the least cost path to sustainable energy favors the Kyoto Treaty?

I, for one, don't.

Here, learn up on cap and trade.

American Clean Energy and Security Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can see from the posts between yours and this one why conservatives are passionately against simple truth. They just don't want to know. As long as they can tell each other that science is evil they have a chance at their pitiful goal. Getting other people and future generations to pay their bills. A blatantly entitled world view.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

That's a great, nay, necessary result for the country though their extinction will be noisy.

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

You're right, the entire world is united behind your CO2 reduction schemes, except for a few anti-science Republicans.

Remind me again how many votes Cap and Trade and the Kyoto Treaty received in the US Senate.

Thanks!

Here, learn up on cap and trade.

I just want you to tell me how many votes it got in the Senate.

It must have been a lot, right after Obama was elected.
Because the entire world is behind your science.

 

[daveman]

Ever heard of the Permean Extinction? This is what they think happened during that event.

Permian?Triassic extinction event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, analysis of the fossil river deposits of the floodplains indicate a shift from meandering to braided river patterns, indicating an abrupt drying of the climate.[62] The climate change may have taken as little as 100,000 years, prompting the extinction of the unique Glossopteris flora and its herbivores, followed by the carnivorous guild.[63]​

We must adopt world socialism NOW to save us from this imminent threat!!

Notice the solid connection Dave has established to advocate abolishing science for the sake of avoiding ''world socialism''.

You have to admire his collection of monsters in the closet.

What's next? Alien invasion?

I grow tired of your lies, boy. It's been conclusively proved to you that the purpose of the AGW scam is massive worldwide wealth redistribution.

And nowhere...NOWHERE...have I ever advocated abolishing science. That is simply a lie.

But I know, you can't help it. Progressives HAVE to lie.

 

[Foxfyre]

In 1783, the Laki volcano erupted in Iceland, and within a year, the global temperature on Earth had dropped by 2 degrees. The scientists going with the volcano theory for the Permian extinction use the example of a Laki erupting EVERY year for tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. The effect could have been devastating for many or most life forms on Earth. The fossil record shows massive volcanic activity during the Permian period.

You can read a dozen different scientific analysis of that period and come to a dozen different conclusions of what probably caused the mass extinctions. But Doug Erwin PhD at the Smithsonian probably gave us the real cause. He described trying to nail down one single cause is similar to a murder mystery in which the victim has a dozen different knife wounds while a dozen different killers had conspired to murder the victim. So he theorizes that it was just an unhappy coincidence that so many catastrophic events happened during one single ancient paleontological period and that there is no one single cause.

Since there is no way to know for sure, I'm going with his theory.

And I am also keenly aware of his educated scientific prediction. Could it happen again? Not only could it happen again, but it will happen again. It is only a matter of when.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So far, you are the only one proposing that.

We're engaged in using science to discover what the least cost path is between here and the inevitable change to sustainable energy.

Whenever government spending and coercion is involved, you can guarantee it's not the "least cost path".

Yeah, mankind was so much better off before government. In fact Somalia is still reaping those benefits.

You're right, the bigger government the better.

In fact, Cuba and North Korea are still reaping those benefits.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ever heard of the Permean Extinction? This is what they think happened during that event.

Permian?Triassic extinction event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have you ever read the myriad theories of the Permian Extinction? Probably a plurality of scientists go with a large asteroid strike. Which would suggest that we would be more productive studying more of the sky for possible deadly approaching objects and figuring out a feasible way to destroy or deflect them instead of wasting trillions on trying to stop AGW. One thing is for absolute certain--we have had devastating asteoid strikes in the past and we will have more in the future.

But back to the Permian extinction. . . .

Another sizable group of credible scientists go with a natural climate shift that melted the ice caps and stagnated (poisoned) the oceans for awhile.

Still another group goes with a massive series of volcanic eruptions creating devastating acid rain.

And some other lesser theories are thrown in there too. Nobody with any serious scientific credentials can say with any degree of confidence what did cause the event. But we can say with absolute certainty that humans had absolutely nothing to do with it.

We can also say with absolute certainty that even though the wide variety of plant and animal life on Planet Earth was severely depleted as a result of that event, life regenerated itself again, and evolution continued unabated to give us the subsequent coming of and then extinction of the dinosaurs followed by the evolvement of the ancestors of existing plant and animal life on Earth.

Life is a resilent and persistent thing and we do far better if we adjust and adapt to the inevitable changing climate of our wonderful planet rather than think we can do a better job running things than God/nature.

Maybe if the human race goes extinct we'll get replaced by something better. No conservatives for example.

Or we'll be replaced by something smarter. No liberals, for example.

 

[daveman]

Ever heard of the Permean Extinction? This is what they think happened during that event.

Permian?Triassic extinction event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, analysis of the fossil river deposits of the floodplains indicate a shift from meandering to braided river patterns, indicating an abrupt drying of the climate.[62] The climate change may have taken as little as 100,000 years, prompting the extinction of the unique Glossopteris flora and its herbivores, followed by the carnivorous guild.[63]​

We must adopt world socialism NOW to save us from this imminent threat!!

I think you have a false sense of complacency. If you think that the collapse of the food chain isn't going to have a major impact on civilization, you're in for a big surprise. Maybe Soylent Green will become available. Won't that be great.

Here's the thing, Joe.

Yes, the climate is changing. But no one here has ever been impacted by it.

If you had real science on your side, you wouldn't have to resort to fear-mongering.

 

[PMZ]

It is because they have become so adverse to truth, and so entitlement minded, that they're killing whatever political relevance they might have once had.

You're right, the entire world is united behind your CO2 reduction schemes, except for a few anti-science Republicans.

Remind me again how many votes Cap and Trade and the Kyoto Treaty received in the US Senate.

Thanks!

The world has no scheme to reduce the present levels of CO2.

Are you implying that everybody who favors using science to find the least cost path to sustainable energy favors the Kyoto Treaty?

I, for one, don't.

The world has no scheme to reduce the present levels of CO2.

I'm talking about future levels.
How's that world-wide plan working out?

Are you implying that everybody who favors using science to find the least cost path to sustainable energy favors the Kyoto Treaty?

Are you saying the Kyoto Treaty didn't pass the US Senate?
Was it at least close? Except for those few, anti-science Republicans?

I said lots of people, including me, didn't support it. Did you?

 

[daveman]

As long as they can tell each other that science is evil they have a chance at their pitiful goal.

Son, you need to stop lying. Now.

We've told you time and again we support science...but we DON'T support your flawed climate science.

Predictably, this will not sink in, because you're not sophisticated enough to counter your programming.

So you'll just keep lying.

Dumbass kid.

The IPCC climate is the climate science the world has now. There is no other. Denialists have no science, no organization, no resources, no theories, no data, nothing. So that's the choice. IPCC climate science or no climate science.

Wrong, boy. But don't let that stop you from worshiping your little tin god.