Why would Turkey, a long time NATO member, be a threat to NATO operations?

[Ben Thomson]

' Now with just weeks left in office, and with lawmakers pressing for action, the Trump administration appears to be acting on one of the most serious disputes, sanctioning Ankara for its purchase of the Russian-made S-400 air-defense system, which is seen as a threat to the F-35 fighter-jet program and to NATO operations.'...With weeks left in office, the Trump administration is doing a 180-degree turn on a frustrating NATO ally

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This has been going on for about the last year, not the last weeks of the administration. Why are you an idiot?

 

[alpine]

s400 is a superior system compared to patriots, however trusting putin for your air defense after shooting down one of his jets is a dumb mans bidding...

 

[White 6]

' Now with just weeks left in office, and with lawmakers pressing for action, the Trump administration appears to be acting on one of the most serious disputes, sanctioning Ankara for its purchase of the Russian-made S-400 air-defense system, which is seen as a threat to the F-35 fighter-jet program and to NATO operations.'...With weeks left in office, the Trump administration is doing a 180-degree turn on a frustrating NATO ally

Trump is just butt hurt, the Turks bought Russian hardware, after he went along with Erdogon and the Russians on invasion against our allies, with Erdogon getting what he wanted, the Russians getting what they wanted and now getting the big military supply contracts, while all trump got was scorn for allowing that cross border invasion by our military that served in that region and all who support international law and dislike totalitarian rulers, which is most of the people in our country and the world.

 

[Synthaholic]

It's actually been going on since the beginning of the Iraq War, when Türkiye refused to allow Incirlik AB to be used as a hub for strikes against Iraq. Erdogan had not been in power very long, got elected as a Muslim rather than an Ataturk Westerner, and wasn't going to allow strikes on another Muslim country from his soil. This caused a rift with the Bushies that still has not healed. Escalations on both sides have made it worse. Erdogan has grown closer to Putin while remaining the second largest force in NATO. That's not good.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why would Turkey, a long time NATO member, be a threat to NATO operations?


Erdogon is an Islamist.

 

[alpine]

It's actually been going on since the beginning of the Iraq War, when Türkiye refused to allow Incirlik AB to be used as a hub for strikes against Iraq. Erdogan had not been in power very long, got elected as a Muslim rather than an Ataturk Westerner, and wasn't going to allow strikes on another Muslim country from his soil. This caused a rift with the Bushies that still has not healed. Escalations on both sides have made it worse. Erdogan has grown closer to Putin while remaining the second largest force in NATO. That's not good.

erdogan was pro iraq war...

it was the ataturk westerner seculars who were against the war in iraq and history proved them right...

they paid the price of telling the inconvenient truth to the bushies by being prosecuted through the cia linked gulenist movement who were active in erdogan government and juridical systems...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

' Now with just weeks left in office, and with lawmakers pressing for action, the Trump administration appears to be acting on one of the most serious disputes, sanctioning Ankara for its purchase of the Russian-made S-400 air-defense system, which is seen as a threat to the F-35 fighter-jet program and to NATO operations.'...With weeks left in office, the Trump administration is doing a 180-degree turn on a frustrating NATO ally

Trump is just butt hurt, the Turks bought Russian hardware, after he went along with Erdogon and the Russians on invasion against our allies, with Erdogon getting what he wanted, the Russians getting what they wanted and now getting the big military supply contracts, while all trump got was scorn for allowing that cross border invasion by our military that served in that region and all who support international law and dislike totalitarian rulers, which is most of the people in our country and the world.

How'd the Kurds make out? They all dead like you predicted?

 

[Synthaholic]

It's actually been going on since the beginning of the Iraq War, when Türkiye refused to allow Incirlik AB to be used as a hub for strikes against Iraq. Erdogan had not been in power very long, got elected as a Muslim rather than an Ataturk Westerner, and wasn't going to allow strikes on another Muslim country from his soil. This caused a rift with the Bushies that still has not healed. Escalations on both sides have made it worse. Erdogan has grown closer to Putin while remaining the second largest force in NATO. That's not good.

erdogan was pro iraq war...

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[alpine]

It's actually been going on since the beginning of the Iraq War, when Türkiye refused to allow Incirlik AB to be used as a hub for strikes against Iraq. Erdogan had not been in power very long, got elected as a Muslim rather than an Ataturk Westerner, and wasn't going to allow strikes on another Muslim country from his soil. This caused a rift with the Bushies that still has not healed. Escalations on both sides have made it worse. Erdogan has grown closer to Putin while remaining the second largest force in NATO. That's not good.

erdogan was pro iraq war...

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

i know a lot more then you do, thats for sure...

 

[Synthaholic]

It's actually been going on since the beginning of the Iraq War, when Türkiye refused to allow Incirlik AB to be used as a hub for strikes against Iraq. Erdogan had not been in power very long, got elected as a Muslim rather than an Ataturk Westerner, and wasn't going to allow strikes on another Muslim country from his soil. This caused a rift with the Bushies that still has not healed. Escalations on both sides have made it worse. Erdogan has grown closer to Putin while remaining the second largest force in NATO. That's not good.

erdogan was pro iraq war...

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

i know a lot more then you do, thats for sure...

You just demonstrated that you're a dumbass, so not likely.

 

[alpine]

It's actually been going on since the beginning of the Iraq War, when Türkiye refused to allow Incirlik AB to be used as a hub for strikes against Iraq. Erdogan had not been in power very long, got elected as a Muslim rather than an Ataturk Westerner, and wasn't going to allow strikes on another Muslim country from his soil. This caused a rift with the Bushies that still has not healed. Escalations on both sides have made it worse. Erdogan has grown closer to Putin while remaining the second largest force in NATO. That's not good.

erdogan was pro iraq war...

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

i know a lot more then you do, thats for sure...

You just demonstrated that you're a dumbass, so not likely.

you are totally clueless on the subject...

 

[Synthaholic]

This is from when they were still deciding, in 2003:

U.S. Seeks Overflights in Turkey - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

 

[alpine]

This is from when they were still deciding, in 2003:

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U.S. Seeks Overflights in Turkey - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

yes, he didnt want to submit because he knew parliament was not in favor of the war...
snd when he did, he made sure it was a secret ballot, to make sure reps dont feel the pressure of voting for a war against another muslim country...

you just showed how clueless you are...

 

[Synthaholic]

Stars & Stripes:

Operation Northern Watch: Mission complete - News - Stripes

 

[Synthaholic]

This is from when they were still deciding, in 2003:

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U.S. Seeks Overflights in Turkey - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

yes, he didnt want to submit because he knew parliament was not in favor of the war...
snd when he did, he made sure it was a secret ballot, to make sure reps dont feel the pressure of voting for a war against another muslim country...

you just showed how clueless you are...

NO ONE in Türkiye was in favor of the Iraq War. Not Erdogan, not Parliament, not Muslims, not Westerners.

 

[alpine]

Stars & Stripes:

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Operation Northern Watch: Mission complete - News - Stripes

exactly, because back then, the state was run by many people and institutions with all different opinions, not by just erdogan himself like it is today...

erdogan needed US support to gain the power he posses now and was willing to give everything and anything in return, including a full fledged war in iraq...

he was totally pro war but failed to convince his government to it...

 

[alpine]

This is from when they were still deciding, in 2003:

View attachment 428256
U.S. Seeks Overflights in Turkey - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

yes, he didnt want to submit because he knew parliament was not in favor of the war...
snd when he did, he made sure it was a secret ballot, to make sure reps dont feel the pressure of voting for a war against another muslim country...

you just showed how clueless you are...

NO ONE in Türkiye was in favor of the Iraq War. Not Erdogan, not Parliament, not Muslims, not Westerners.

erdogan even said what a mistake it was not going into war in iraq...
since he was hoping to carve northern iraq for himself back then and felt like missing out on the spoils of war...
he made sure to remove all his close friends over the years who did cost him the victory in iraq...

you just keep showing how cluless you are on the subject...

 

[Synthaholic]

erdogan needed US support to gain the power he posses now and was willing to give everything and anything in return, including a full fledged war in iraq...

Türkiye already had immense U.S. support when Erdogan arrived. He then diminished it in a series of actions.

The only time U.S.-Turkish relations ever dipped was whenever that asshole Bob Dole would rail against them, or threatened them.

 

[Synthaholic]

erdogan even said what a mistake it was not going into war in iraq...

Link to that bullshit.