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How many hundreds of millions of animals do we kill every year?
How many millions die in your fithy oil spills? Birds, fish, insects, mammals. You always defend that as you understand there's a price to pay for civilization.
How many thousands of people die from diseases like cancer from pollution from coal and oil?
How many mountain tops are clear cut and animals left to die?
All seen as acceptable to the right as it is used to heat our homes and for unlimited freedom towards drive our cars around town without thought. I also realize this as the price of civilization...
So we're going to start going down the path of killing energy sources over a small number of birds??? I won't be dumb enough to do the same against oil, natural gas or coal as I realize we're still some time away from fully transitioning away from those sources of energy...Knowing damn well and accepting the price. The choice is less of a price, not that there will ever be none.
So we do it because the energy corporations want to do it this way, so we roll over and accept it?
Because one gets away with it, the other guy also gets a pass?
Your stand is that of the oil companies.
You just prefer wind.
So are you going to turn totally against the oil, natural gas and coal companies for killing animals? These sources also cause diseases that lead to thousands of people dying every year but you don't seem to give a damn.
The choice is do we want a cleaner source or not? Why is it so bad?
So we do it because the energy corporations want to do it this way, so we roll over and accept it?
Because one gets away with it, the other guy also gets a pass?
Your stand is that of the oil companies.
You just prefer wind.
So are you going to turn totally against the oil, natural gas and coal companies for killing animals? These sources also cause diseases that lead to thousands of people dying every year but you don't seem to give a damn.
The choice is do we want a cleaner source or not? Why is it so bad?
It is ugly to see thousands of square miles of windmills scar our land. You can drive for hours along the Columbia river and see those damn things mar the scenery.
Have you thought about solar? That's clean.
BTW, don't give me your self righteous, I don't give a damn BS. You don't know me, you have no idea of my life experience, so please stay on topic.
Also wind is not efficient source of energy.
So are you going to turn totally against the oil, natural gas and coal companies for killing animals? These sources also cause diseases that lead to thousands of people dying every year but you don't seem to give a damn.
The choice is do we want a cleaner source or not? Why is it so bad?
It is ugly to see thousands of square miles of windmills scar our land. You can drive for hours along the Columbia river and see those damn things mar the scenery.
Have you thought about solar? That's clean.
BTW, don't give me your self righteous, I don't give a damn BS. You don't know me, you have no idea of my life experience, so please stay on topic.
Also wind is not efficient source of energy.
1. Better then seeing tens miles of clear cut of our forest for coal. Or oceans filled with oil...
2. Far cleaner then coal, natural gas or oil that is for damn sure. At least solar is within a controlled environment.
3. Well, you're attacking wind for killing birds but you're ok with everything else for killing animals. Let me know when you go protesting the next oil spill and fuck off about staying on topic as this has very much to do with it.
Tell that to China or much of northern Europe. lol
So are you going to turn totally against the oil, natural gas and coal companies for killing animals? These sources also cause diseases that lead to thousands of people dying every year but you don't seem to give a damn.
The choice is do we want a cleaner source or not? Why is it so bad?
It is ugly to see thousands of square miles of windmills scar our land. You can drive for hours along the Columbia river and see those damn things mar the scenery.
Have you thought about solar? That's clean.
BTW, don't give me your self righteous, I don't give a damn BS. You don't know me, you have no idea of my life experience, so please stay on topic.
Also wind is not efficient source of energy.
1. Better then seeing tens miles of clear cut of our forest for coal. Or oceans filled with oil...
2. Far cleaner then coal, natural gas or oil that is for damn sure. At least solar is within a controlled environment.
3. Well, you're attacking wind for killing birds but you're ok with everything else for killing animals. Let me know when you go protesting the next oil spill and fuck off about staying on topic as this has very much to do with it.
Tell that to China or much of northern Europe. lol
For wind power, U.S. extends permit for eagle deaths | The Morning Sentinel, Waterville, ME
WASHINGTON The Obama administration will allow companies to seek authorization to kill and harm bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty in an effort to balance some of the environmental trade-offs of green energy.
click image to enlargeA golden eagle flies over a wind turbine at a Duke Energy wind farm in Converse County, Wyo., in this April 18, 2013, photo.
The change, requested by the wind energy industry and officially revealed Friday, will provide legal protection for the lifespan of wind farms and other projects that obtain a permit and do everything possible to avoid killing the birds. Companies will also have to commit to take additional measures if they exceed their permit limits or if new information suggests eagle populations are being affected.
But the rule makes clear that revoking a permit is a last resort.
We anticipate that implementing additional mitigation measures ... will reduce the likelihood of amendments to, or revocation of, the permit, the rule reads.
Right now, as an AP investigation has documented, wind farms are killing eagles in violation of the law. Not a single wind energy company has a permit authorizing the killing, harm or harassment of eagles, although five-year permits have been available since 2009. That puts companies at legal risk and discourages private investment in renewable energy.
It also doesnt help eagles, since without a permit, companies are not required to take steps to reduce their impact on the birds or report when they kill them.
Conservation groups, which have been aligned with the wind industry on other issues, said Friday the decision by the Interior Department sanctioned the killing of Americas symbol.
Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check, Audubon President and CEO David Yarnold said in a statement. The group said it would challenge the decision.
Everybody on or even near the Republican aisle cares about the National Bird of the United States of America.With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..
"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.
Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."
"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Why are you acting like you give a fuck about eagles?
You must've missed the other 5 or 6 threads made by republicans who all of a sudden want to save the eagles.
Who knows maybe it's in earnest! Save the eagles! Stand by your sudden convictions!
The eagles are going to commit mass suicide on these things.
Sudden? Mr. flacaltenn has contributed several posts to the only ornithology thread at USMB: http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-outdoors/210840-wild-side-peckers-comparison-club.htmlWith no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..
"SEATTLE In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.
Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."
"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Why are you acting like you give a fuck about eagles?
You must've missed the other 5 or 6 threads made by republicans who all of a sudden want to save the eagles.
Who knows maybe it's in earnest! Save the eagles! Stand by your sudden convictions!
Wait a minute here. Aren't you the idiot who thinks that covering over an area the size of AUSTRALIA with solar panels is OK?It is ugly to see thousands of square miles of windmills scar our land. You can drive for hours along the Columbia river and see those damn things mar the scenery.
Have you thought about solar? That's clean.
BTW, don't give me your self righteous, I don't give a damn BS. You don't know me, you have no idea of my life experience, so please stay on topic.
Also wind is not efficient source of energy.
1. Better then seeing tens miles of clear cut of our forest for coal. Or oceans filled with oil...
2. Far cleaner then coal, natural gas or oil that is for damn sure. At least solar is within a controlled environment.
3. Well, you're attacking wind for killing birds but you're ok with everything else for killing animals. Let me know when you go protesting the next oil spill and fuck off about staying on topic as this has very much to do with it.
Tell that to China or much of northern Europe. lol
Pull your head out of your self righteous, sanctimonious, flat earther ass there buckwheat. You asshats have done far more environmental damage in the last 20 years than big oil has. FAR more.
I'm not an "oil guy" Matthew.A oil guy attacking something that kills 20 times less then his favorite source. LOL.
Yes, making energy is going to KILL animals. Fine balance we have to make and I believe with the new radars going into place that less are now being killed.
And I am in favor of alternatives, but only if they do less environmental harm than that which they are replacing and are at least as efficient as that which they replace. Wind and solar are neither.
And windfarms kill more critters in a year than big oil has killed in 100.
With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..
"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.
Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."
"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
So, walleyed, you've glommed onto one of the latest propaganda ploys that the fossil fuel industry is trying to use to attack the clean renewable energy sources that threaten their dominance of the energy market and, of course, their profits. Why am I not surprised?
Although everyone involved regrets the bird deaths being caused by some of the wind turbines, which the turbine designers and operators are working hard to prevent, the number of bird deaths due to the wind turbines is extremely minuscule compared to all of the other bird deaths that humans are responsible for. The extraction, processing and refining, and burning of fossil fuels kills orders of magnitude more birds than the wind turbines do. Also unchecked global warming from the use of fossil fuels, which the clean renewable energy wind turbines can help offset, will eventually kill tens of thousands of times as many birds as the wind turbines do now and may well drive some bird species into extinction.
Federal Study Highlights Spike in Eagle Deaths at Wind Farms
National Geographic
by Patrick J. Kiger
September 12, 2013
(excerpts)
A newly published study by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service researchers says that wind energy facilities have killed at least 85 golden and bald eagles between 1997 and 2012—and that eagle fatalities possibly may be much higher. The study also indicates that eagle deaths have increased dramatically in recent years as the nation has turned increasingly to wind farms as a source of renewable, low-pollution energy, with nearly 80 percent of the fatalities occurring between 2008 and 2012 alone. (See related post: “Wind Farm Faces Fine Over Golden Eagle’s Death.”
John Anderson, an official with the American Wind Energy Association, said that the eagle deaths cited in the study only represent an “extremely small portion” of human-caused mortality for both golden and bald eagle species. A statement on the industry association’s website also noted that most eagle fatalities are concentrated at a small number of older wind facilities built in the 1980s, before the interaction of eagles with turbines was well understood. The study found that the majority of the eagle deaths between 1997 and 2012 occurred in Wyoming, which had 29 deaths, and California, which had 27. Oregon came in a distant third with six deaths, and three states—Washington, Colorado and New Mexico—each had five eagles killed during that period. (See related post: “Montana Wind Turbines Give Way to Raptors.”
Conspiracies Don’t Kill Birds. People, However, Do.
The New York Times
By LESLIE KAUFMAN
January 17, 2011
(excerpts)
At the beginning of this month when about 5,000 red-winged blackbirds fell from the sky in one night in Arkansas, biologists were called on to put a damper on public speculation about pesticides and secret military tests by reminding everyone how many birds there are and how many die. They often do so as a result of human activity, but in far more mundane and dispiriting ways than conspiracy buffs might imagine. “Five billion birds die in the U.S. every year,” said Melanie Driscoll, a biologist and director of bird conservation for the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi Flyway for the National Audubon Society. That means that on average, 13.7 million birds die in this country every day. This number, while large, needs to be put into context. The federal Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that a minimum of 10 billion birds breed in the United States every year and that as many as 20 billion may be in the country during the fall migratory season.
Even without humans, tens of millions of birds would be lost each year to natural predators and natural accidents — millions of fledglings die during their first attempts at flight. But according to the Fish and Wildlife Service, people have severely complicated the task of survival. Although mortality rates are difficult to calculate for certain, using modeling and other methods like extrapolation from local research findings, the government has come up with estimates of how many birds die from various causes in the United States. Some of the biggest death traps are surprising. Almost everyone has an experience with a pet proudly bringing home a songbird in its jaws. Nationally, domestic and feral cats kill hundreds of millions of birds each year, according to the government. One study done in Wisconsin found that domestic rural cats alone (thus excluding a large number of suburban and urban cats) killed roughly 39 million birds a year. Pesticides kill 72 million birds directly, but an unknown and probably larger number ingest the poisons and die later unseen. Orphaned chicks also go uncounted. And then there is flying into objects, which is most likely what killed the birds in Arkansas. The government estimates that strikes against building windows alone account for anywhere from 97 million to nearly 976 million bird deaths a year. Cars kill another 60 million or so. High-tension transmission and power distribution lines are also deadly obstacles. Extrapolating from European studies, the Fish and Wildlife Service estimates 174 million birds die each year by flying into these wires. None of these numbers take into account the largest killer of birds in America: loss of habitat to development.
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Federal Laws that Protect Bald Eagles
Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act
The bald eagle will continue to be protected by the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act even though it has been delisted under the Endangered Species Act. This law, originally passed in 1940, provides for the protection of the bald eagle and the golden eagle (as amended in 1962) by prohibiting the take, possession, sale, purchase, barter, offer to sell, purchase or barter, transport, export or import, of any bald or golden eagle, alive or dead, including any part, nest, or egg, unless allowed by permit(16 U.S.C. 668(a); 50 CFR 22). "Take" includes pursue, shoot, shoot at, poison, wound, kill, capture, trap, collect, molest or disturb (16 U.S.C. 668c; 50 CFR 22.3). The 1972 amendments increased civil penalties for violating provisions of the Act to a maximum fine of $5,000 or one year imprisonment with $10,000 or not more than two years in prison for a second conviction. Felony convictions carry a maximum fine of $250,000 or two years of imprisonment. The fine doubles for an organization. Rewards are provided for information leading to arrest and conviction for violation of the Act.
I'm not an "oil guy" Matthew.A oil guy attacking something that kills 20 times less then his favorite source. LOL.
Yes, making energy is going to KILL animals. Fine balance we have to make and I believe with the new radars going into place that less are now being killed.
LOLOLOLOL......good one, walleyed....now pull my other leg......
You're rather obviously one of the biggest stooges for the oil industry posting on this forum, walleyed, as the rest of your post here demonstrates. As do most of the rest of your crackpot, reality-deficient posts.
And I am in favor of alternatives, but only if they do less environmental harm than that which they are replacing and are at least as efficient as that which they replace. Wind and solar are neither.
Actually, as is completely obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, wind and solar are both more efficient and less environmentally harmful than fossil fuels, you poor brainwashed moron.
And windfarms kill more critters in a year than big oil has killed in 100.
But you're not an "oil guy", are you, walleyed? LOLOLOL.
And this report below isn't even touching on the vast number of birds killed in the frequent oil spills.
Actions by Feds Cut Annual Bird Deaths in Oil and Gas Fields by Half, Saving Over One Million Birds From Grisly Death
American Bird Conservancy
January 3, 2013
MEDIA RELEASE
(excerpts)
(Washington, D.C.) According to a recently released policy document from the Interior Departments Bureau of Land Management (BLM), migratory bird deaths at oil and gas operation waste pits have been reduced by 50 -75 percent in the last 15 years, saving an estimated one to one and a half million birds from grisly deaths caused by their landing in chemical-laden waste water pits associated with oil and gas operations. The policy document says that bird mortality has been reduced from about two million per year in 1997 to between five hundred thousand and one million per year today.
The IM targets a common bird mortality threat in oil and gas operations open, fluid-filled pits. It references the Wyoming Ecological Services Field Office of the FWS who states that Deterrents (to birds landing in these deadly, chemical-laden pits) such as flagging, strobe lights, metal reflectors and noise makers are not effective at preventing bird mortalities from occurring in oil pits. The FWS office has stated further that Oil industry regulators that recommend flagging to oil operators as a bird deterrent for oil pits place the oil operators at risk for prosecution under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. The FWS recommends solutions to the open pit problem and states that netting appears to be the most effective method of keeping birds from entering wastewater evaporation ponds and skim pits.
And you think you should block windmills to do so even thought that's probably number 20 or so in the list of human activities that kill eagles.
With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..
"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.
Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."
"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
So, walleyed, you've glommed onto one of the latest propaganda ploys that the fossil fuel industry is trying to use to attack the clean renewable energy sources that threaten their dominance of the energy market and, of course, their profits. Why am I not surprised?
Although everyone involved regrets the bird deaths being caused by some of the wind turbines, which the turbine designers and operators are working hard to prevent, the number of bird deaths due to the wind turbines is extremely minuscule compared to all of the other bird deaths that humans are responsible for. The extraction, processing and refining, and burning of fossil fuels kills orders of magnitude more birds than the wind turbines do. Also unchecked global warming from the use of fossil fuels, which the clean renewable energy wind turbines can help offset, will eventually kill tens of thousands of times as many birds as the wind turbines do now and may well drive some bird species into extinction.
Federal Study Highlights Spike in Eagle Deaths at Wind Farms
National Geographic
by Patrick J. Kiger
September 12, 2013
(excerpts)
A newly published study by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service researchers says that wind energy facilities have killed at least 85 golden and bald eagles between 1997 and 2012—and that eagle fatalities possibly may be much higher. The study also indicates that eagle deaths have increased dramatically in recent years as the nation has turned increasingly to wind farms as a source of renewable, low-pollution energy, with nearly 80 percent of the fatalities occurring between 2008 and 2012 alone. (See related post: “Wind Farm Faces Fine Over Golden Eagle’s Death.”
John Anderson, an official with the American Wind Energy Association, said that the eagle deaths cited in the study only represent an “extremely small portion” of human-caused mortality for both golden and bald eagle species. A statement on the industry association’s website also noted that most eagle fatalities are concentrated at a small number of older wind facilities built in the 1980s, before the interaction of eagles with turbines was well understood. The study found that the majority of the eagle deaths between 1997 and 2012 occurred in Wyoming, which had 29 deaths, and California, which had 27. Oregon came in a distant third with six deaths, and three states—Washington, Colorado and New Mexico—each had five eagles killed during that period. (See related post: “Montana Wind Turbines Give Way to Raptors.”
Conspiracies Don’t Kill Birds. People, However, Do.
The New York Times
By LESLIE KAUFMAN
January 17, 2011
(excerpts)
At the beginning of this month when about 5,000 red-winged blackbirds fell from the sky in one night in Arkansas, biologists were called on to put a damper on public speculation about pesticides and secret military tests by reminding everyone how many birds there are and how many die. They often do so as a result of human activity, but in far more mundane and dispiriting ways than conspiracy buffs might imagine. “Five billion birds die in the U.S. every year,” said Melanie Driscoll, a biologist and director of bird conservation for the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi Flyway for the National Audubon Society. That means that on average, 13.7 million birds die in this country every day. This number, while large, needs to be put into context. The federal Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that a minimum of 10 billion birds breed in the United States every year and that as many as 20 billion may be in the country during the fall migratory season.
Even without humans, tens of millions of birds would be lost each year to natural predators and natural accidents — millions of fledglings die during their first attempts at flight. But according to the Fish and Wildlife Service, people have severely complicated the task of survival. Although mortality rates are difficult to calculate for certain, using modeling and other methods like extrapolation from local research findings, the government has come up with estimates of how many birds die from various causes in the United States. Some of the biggest death traps are surprising. Almost everyone has an experience with a pet proudly bringing home a songbird in its jaws. Nationally, domestic and feral cats kill hundreds of millions of birds each year, according to the government. One study done in Wisconsin found that domestic rural cats alone (thus excluding a large number of suburban and urban cats) killed roughly 39 million birds a year. Pesticides kill 72 million birds directly, but an unknown and probably larger number ingest the poisons and die later unseen. Orphaned chicks also go uncounted. And then there is flying into objects, which is most likely what killed the birds in Arkansas. The government estimates that strikes against building windows alone account for anywhere from 97 million to nearly 976 million bird deaths a year. Cars kill another 60 million or so. High-tension transmission and power distribution lines are also deadly obstacles. Extrapolating from European studies, the Fish and Wildlife Service estimates 174 million birds die each year by flying into these wires. None of these numbers take into account the largest killer of birds in America: loss of habitat to development.
***
I heard it was against the law to kill a Bald Eagle.
Obama administration officials are in contempt, imho.
Shall I blame Obama for your being contemptuous as well?
There are new turbines being tested now that may be much safer for birds, and new kinds of detection and avoidance technologies can shut down turbines temporarily during specific seasons or weather events or when large birds like golden eagles and California condors are detected nearby. Wind energy is an important component in reducing the impacts of climate change, one of the greatest threats in our lifetime to birds and people alike. But wind energy must be developed and produced in ways that keep golden eagles, and other birds and wildlife, safe."
Goddamn, you're pointing fingers at wind and your oil KILLS 1.5 million birds/year???
Talk about balls.
Trolling blunder you are truly, truly amusing. Pitiably stupid, but amusing. Wind and solar aren't as efficient because they are far more expensive to purchase. I know that is difficult for a tiny little brain like yours to comprehend, but here it is suitably dumbed down so that you and your fellow mental cripples can understand. Efficient = cheap. Understand?I'm not an "oil guy" Matthew.
LOLOLOLOL......good one, walleyed....now pull my other leg......
You're rather obviously one of the biggest stooges for the oil industry posting on this forum, walleyed, as the rest of your post here demonstrates. As do most of the rest of your crackpot, reality-deficient posts.
Actually, as is completely obvious to anyone with a functioning brain, wind and solar are both more efficient and less environmentally harmful than fossil fuels, you poor brainwashed moron.
And windfarms kill more critters in a year than big oil has killed in 100.
But you're not an "oil guy", are you, walleyed? LOLOLOL.
And this report below isn't even touching on the vast number of birds killed in the frequent oil spills.
Actions by Feds Cut Annual Bird Deaths in Oil and Gas Fields by Half, Saving Over One Million Birds From Grisly Death
American Bird Conservancy
January 3, 2013
MEDIA RELEASE
(excerpts)
(Washington, D.C.) According to a recently released policy document from the Interior Departments Bureau of Land Management (BLM), migratory bird deaths at oil and gas operation waste pits have been reduced by 50 -75 percent in the last 15 years, saving an estimated one to one and a half million birds from grisly deaths caused by their landing in chemical-laden waste water pits associated with oil and gas operations. The policy document says that bird mortality has been reduced from about two million per year in 1997 to between five hundred thousand and one million per year today.
The IM targets a common bird mortality threat in oil and gas operations open, fluid-filled pits. It references the Wyoming Ecological Services Field Office of the FWS who states that Deterrents (to birds landing in these deadly, chemical-laden pits) such as flagging, strobe lights, metal reflectors and noise makers are not effective at preventing bird mortalities from occurring in oil pits. The FWS office has stated further that Oil industry regulators that recommend flagging to oil operators as a bird deterrent for oil pits place the oil operators at risk for prosecution under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. The FWS recommends solutions to the open pit problem and states that netting appears to be the most effective method of keeping birds from entering wastewater evaporation ponds and skim pits.
Project much?Goddamn, you're pointing fingers at wind and your oil KILLS 1.5 million birds/year???
Talk about balls.
I would have to disagree with you on that last point, Matt.
It's not "balls" here that we're seeing in fecalhead's clueless comments.
It's extreme retardation coupled with extreme ignorance overlaid with delusional insanity brought on by the massive amounts of brainwashing to which he's subjected himself.
