Kalam
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You're a bit late, limey. Look up.Here's why...Because their clerics say it's always the woman's fault, so it's ok!
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You're a bit late, limey. Look up.Here's why...Because their clerics say it's always the woman's fault, so it's ok!
does you yell when they attack Christians?? hypocrite! why is just your religion off limits? doyathink?
Whoever said it was "off limits"?
Spout ignorance as much as you'd like, but don't let it spill over into unrelated threads. And no, nobody here applies the same levels of scrutiny and criticism to Christianity that are applied to Islam.
I call it asking questions. You call it "spouting ignorance." Let's just say I am terribly glad not to be a woman in your society.
BBC News - Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey
Thoughts USMB?
And does anyone think these poll numbers would be vastly different in the U.S. or about the same?
I don't know if they should take the blame, I do know some women lie about being raped. I knew one girl in high school who cried rape a few times, and one night when we were out cruising she sure didn't mind flirting with one of them of the guys who she accused of raping her.
And if you are wasted and he is wasted, and you don't remember having sex, well I don't think you should cry rape either.
I lean towards attributing the 'but for your actions' role to a female as much as a male. You climb into bed with some guy - ie, the scenario outlined in the article (and not the ridiculous fantasy dreamed up by the droolaider Contessa) then, in my female opinion, that female has placed herself in a situation whereby a guy could misinterpret the situation.
key words: but for your actions (not your dress)
What is the punishment for taking a n on muslim woman under the rubric of Jihad and having her as a sex slave?Were you able to think for yourselves, no explanation would be necessary.Instead of attempting to insult my religion, why don't you stay focused on the topic of the discussion?
I am. I yam,, I shall,, but are you unwilling to explain what we read?
Say to the believing men that they lower their gaze and restrain their sexual passions. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is Aware of what they do. And say to the believing women that they lower their gaze and restrain their sexual passions and do not display their adornment except what appears thereof. And let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms. - 24:30-31
The punishment for rape is death. The victim is blameless.
When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her. She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah. When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words, and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death. He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them. - Sunan Abu Dawud, Prescribed Punishments, no. 4366
Now, let's return to the discussion at hand.
Irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Bring it up somewhere appropriate.What is the punishment for taking a n on muslim woman under the rubric of Jihad and having her as a sex slave?
Irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Bring it up somewhere appropriate.What is the punishment for taking a n on muslim woman under the rubric of Jihad and having her as a sex slave?
The vast majority of Muslims in the UK live in England and Wales: of 1,591,000 Muslims recorded at the 2001 Census,[7] 1,536,015 were living in England and Wales,[8] where they form 3% of the population; 42,557 were living in Scotland, forming 0.84% of the population[9]; and 1,943 were living in Northern Ireland.[10]
This is incongruous with the prescriptions of the Prophet (SAWS) in Abu Dawud's book of Hadd, hadith 4366. No mention is made of hijab and no blame is given to the woman. Confine your nonsense to relevant threads.A: If a female was raped due to her not maintaining the laws of Hijaab, she is partly to be blamed as the rapist will be considered as being seduced by her revealing form and shape.
BBC News - Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey
A majority of women believe some rape victims should take responsibility for what happened, a survey suggests.
Almost three quarters of the women who believed this said if a victim got into bed with the assailant before an attack they should accept some responsibility.
One-third blamed victims who had dressed provocatively or gone back to the attacker's house for a drink.
The survey of more than 1,000 people in London marked the 10th anniversary of the Haven service for rape victims.
More than half of those of both sexes questioned said there were some circumstances when a rape victim should accept responsibility for an attack.
The study found that women were less forgiving of the victim than men.
Of the women who believed some victims should take responsibility, 71% thought a person should accept responsibility when getting into bed with someone, compared with 57% of men.
The survey also found more than one in 10 people were unsure whether they would report being raped to the police, and 2% said they would definitely not do so.
The main reasons were being too embarrassed or ashamed (55%), wanting to forget it had happened (41%) and not wanting to go to court (38%).
Thoughts USMB?
And does anyone think these poll numbers would be vastly different in the U.S. or about the same?
I see you've still yet to acknowledge the explanation you asked me to provide twice. Fuck off.Irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Bring it up somewhere appropriate.What is the punishment for taking a n on muslim woman under the rubric of Jihad and having her as a sex slave?
coward
I see you've still yet to acknowledge the explanation you asked me to provide twice. Fuck off.Irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Bring it up somewhere appropriate.
coward
Relations are forbidden other than with believing women who are Muslims, Christians, or Jews.My friend told me that if there is a islamic battle and after winning that battle if muslims capture some women they are free to do whatever they want to do with them...
Do not attribute your lack of comprehension skills to my failure to explain anything.I see you've still yet to acknowledge the explanation you asked me to provide twice. Fuck off.coward
On whose orders?
you have explained nada!
Were you able to think for yourselves, no explanation would be necessary.
Say to the believing men that they lower their gaze and restrain their sexual passions. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is Aware of what they do. And say to the believing women that they lower their gaze and restrain their sexual passions and do not display their adornment except what appears thereof. And let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms. - 24:30-31
The punishment for rape is death. The victim is blameless.
When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her. She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah. When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words, and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death. He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them. - Sunan Abu Dawud, Prescribed Punishments, no. 4366
Now, let's return to the discussion at hand.
Relations are forbidden other than with believing women who are Muslims, Christians, or Jews.My friend told me that if there is a islamic battle and after winning that battle if muslims capture some women they are free to do whatever they want to do with them...
And whoever among you cannot afford to marry free believing women, (let him marry) such of your believing maidens as your right hands possess. And Allah knows best your faith -- you are the one from the other. So marry them with the permission of their masters, and give them their dowries justly, they being caste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; then if they are guilty of adultery when they are taken in marriage, they shall suffer half the punishment for free married women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil. And that you abstain is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. - 4:25
Marriage is a necessary prerequisite. Furthermore, this applies only to female prisoners of war, whose consent must also be obtained as part of the ritual of nikah. The Prophet (SAWS) forbade the capture of new slaves; the applicability of this passage is limited to prisoners of war, which may always be taken during war-time. Confine your nonsense to relevant threads.
Or, failing that, scripture proving that what you posted is incorrect. Sorry to disappoint. Now, fuck off.Cue the denials that these people have no standing In Islam nor represent any part of Islamic thought.
Well I beg to differ.Irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Bring it up somewhere appropriate.What is the punishment for taking a non muslim woman under the rubric of Jihad and having her as a sex slave?