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Worst President in U.S. History

Franklin D Roosevelt
I dislike him for many reasons, but I don't feel like arguing economics right now. But whether or not you think he was a savior during the Depression and WWII, you cannot deny that ordering the unconstitutional act of detaining the Japanese Americans without a trial is unforgivable.
He essentially threw out the Constitution and betrayed citizens of the United States. That alone should qualify him for, at least, one of the worst presidents ever.

FDR was a disaster, he prolonged the depression a decade with his asinine socialist policies... but his interning of the Japanese was essential and helped keep the US homeland out of the war.

Had he not done so, Japanese insurgents would have reaped havoc all over the United States, not the least of which would have been in manufacturing.

In today's mamby-pamby PC world it was cruel... but in the reality of the 1940s US. There was no reasonable alternative.

Funny, AFTER FDR listened to the conservatives/GOP and cut spending 10% in 1937 and the US went back into the GOP great depression, lol

You wing nutters have ZERO logic, reason or honesty. The right used to keep you Klowns in the closet like the Birchers, today you Klowns are leaders of the rights movement, Rush, Hannity,. Beck, Levin, etc. Weird.
 
Great deflection there, how about you answer the question I asked. 18+ trillion in debt, who's going to be stuck with the tab?


You mean you don't understand WHO and how the debt was created? I'll boil it down for you Bubba

OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS CONSERVATIVES/GOP HAVE REFUSED TO PAY FOR ANYTHING, INSTEAD PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE CREDIT CARD, THE ATTEMPTS BY THE LIBERALS/DEMS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WERE FOUGHT BY THE GOP/CONSERVATIVES. Weird you don't know that? But no one who is serious is worried about the current debt, why do you think money floods into the treasury to buy US bonds?


IF the GOP worked WITH Obama instead of fighting him, the US economy could grow it's way clear!

01d-political-cartoon-28-07-11.jpg



legacy-of-bush-tax-cuts.gif

Right, because liberals have been so honest in debt negotiations, they say if you just give us more of your money we'll hold the line on spending. Never happened, never will. Every penny spent by the feds should be reflected in the budget, no off books expenditures and no base line budgeting. Let the citizens see exactly what shape we're in. Both parties are complicit and it needs to stop.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.


Like MOST right wingers, you don't understand the difference with budget surpluses versus debt. I'm shocked


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Budget games, numbers games, word games and more deflection, now answer my question,
 
You mean you don't understand WHO and how the debt was created? I'll boil it down for you Bubba

OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS CONSERVATIVES/GOP HAVE REFUSED TO PAY FOR ANYTHING, INSTEAD PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE CREDIT CARD, THE ATTEMPTS BY THE LIBERALS/DEMS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WERE FOUGHT BY THE GOP/CONSERVATIVES. Weird you don't know that? But no one who is serious is worried about the current debt, why do you think money floods into the treasury to buy US bonds?


IF the GOP worked WITH Obama instead of fighting him, the US economy could grow it's way clear!

01d-political-cartoon-28-07-11.jpg



legacy-of-bush-tax-cuts.gif

Right, because liberals have been so honest in debt negotiations, they say if you just give us more of your money we'll hold the line on spending. Never happened, never will. Every penny spent by the feds should be reflected in the budget, no off books expenditures and no base line budgeting. Let the citizens see exactly what shape we're in. Both parties are complicit and it needs to stop.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.


Like MOST right wingers, you don't understand the difference with budget surpluses versus debt. I'm shocked


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Budget games, numbers games, word games and more deflection, now answer my question,


Pretty simple really, PUSH THE GOP to help US instead of going with their ideology like they have for about 15 years. Help the US continue to get back to where Clinton had US, THEN bring revenues back up to where Clinton/Carter had them before this trickle down nonsense. Stop the GOP from putting EVERYTHING on the credit card. Pretty simple really!
 
Right, because liberals have been so honest in debt negotiations, they say if you just give us more of your money we'll hold the line on spending. Never happened, never will. Every penny spent by the feds should be reflected in the budget, no off books expenditures and no base line budgeting. Let the citizens see exactly what shape we're in. Both parties are complicit and it needs to stop.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.


Like MOST right wingers, you don't understand the difference with budget surpluses versus debt. I'm shocked


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Budget games, numbers games, word games and more deflection, now answer my question,


Pretty simple really, PUSH THE GOP to help US instead of going with their ideology like they have for about 15 years. Help the US continue to get back to where Clinton had US, THEN bring revenues back up to where Clinton/Carter had them before this trickle down nonsense. Stop the GOP from putting EVERYTHING on the credit card. Pretty simple really!

We since you are apparently too stupid to answer a simple question I'll give you the answer.
Thrifty Clinton raised the national debt just about the same as Reagan during their two terms.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

Now let's compare them to your dear leaders first term.

> Barack Obama’s First Term – $5.806 trillion increase

The National Debt by President The National Debt Crisis
 
The US doesn't have a spending problem (except on that MIC Ike warned about) but a revenue problem as both Ronnie AND Dubya gutted them. Their policies can be traced back to 90%+ of current debt. Weird right?


"Starving the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives in order to limit government spending by cutting taxes in order to deprive the government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force the federal government to reduce spending.



Before his election as President, then-candidate Ronald Reagan foreshadowed the strategy
during the 1980 US Presidential debates, saying "John Anderson tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes. Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."


Starve the beast - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Great deflection there, how about you answer the question I asked. 18+ trillion in debt, who's going to be stuck with the tab?


You mean you don't understand WHO and how the debt was created? I'll boil it down for you Bubba

OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS CONSERVATIVES/GOP HAVE REFUSED TO PAY FOR ANYTHING, INSTEAD PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE CREDIT CARD, THE ATTEMPTS BY THE LIBERALS/DEMS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WERE FOUGHT BY THE GOP/CONSERVATIVES. Weird you don't know that? But no one who is serious is worried about the current debt, why do you think money floods into the treasury to buy US bonds?


IF the GOP worked WITH Obama instead of fighting him, the US economy could grow it's way clear!

01d-political-cartoon-28-07-11.jpg



legacy-of-bush-tax-cuts.gif

Right, because liberals have been so honest in debt negotiations, they say if you just give us more of your money we'll hold the line on spending. Never happened, never will. Every penny spent by the feds should be reflected in the budget, no off books expenditures and no base line budgeting. Let the citizens see exactly what shape we're in. Both parties are complicit and it needs to stop.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.
Bush said he was giving us a tax rebate upon entering office because there was a surplus. Are you saying he was lying? Should he not have given us that rebate?
 
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.


Like MOST right wingers, you don't understand the difference with budget surpluses versus debt. I'm shocked


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Budget games, numbers games, word games and more deflection, now answer my question,


Pretty simple really, PUSH THE GOP to help US instead of going with their ideology like they have for about 15 years. Help the US continue to get back to where Clinton had US, THEN bring revenues back up to where Clinton/Carter had them before this trickle down nonsense. Stop the GOP from putting EVERYTHING on the credit card. Pretty simple really!

We since you are apparently too stupid to answer a simple question I'll give you the answer.
Thrifty Clinton raised the national debt just about the same as Reagan during their two terms.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

Now let's compare them to your dear leaders first term.

> Barack Obama’s First Term – $5.806 trillion increase

The National Debt by President The National Debt Crisis
How dishonest do you have to be to compare nominal figures?
 
Great deflection there, how about you answer the question I asked. 18+ trillion in debt, who's going to be stuck with the tab?


You mean you don't understand WHO and how the debt was created? I'll boil it down for you Bubba

OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS CONSERVATIVES/GOP HAVE REFUSED TO PAY FOR ANYTHING, INSTEAD PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE CREDIT CARD, THE ATTEMPTS BY THE LIBERALS/DEMS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WERE FOUGHT BY THE GOP/CONSERVATIVES. Weird you don't know that? But no one who is serious is worried about the current debt, why do you think money floods into the treasury to buy US bonds?


IF the GOP worked WITH Obama instead of fighting him, the US economy could grow it's way clear!

01d-political-cartoon-28-07-11.jpg



legacy-of-bush-tax-cuts.gif

Right, because liberals have been so honest in debt negotiations, they say if you just give us more of your money we'll hold the line on spending. Never happened, never will. Every penny spent by the feds should be reflected in the budget, no off books expenditures and no base line budgeting. Let the citizens see exactly what shape we're in. Both parties are complicit and it needs to stop.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.
Bush said he was giving us a tax rebate upon entering office because there was a surplus. Are you saying he was lying? Should he not have given us that rebate?

Any asshole politician who claims the federal government is running a surplus is a liar, you don't run a surplus until you've paid all outstanding obligations and have money left over.
 
So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.


Like MOST right wingers, you don't understand the difference with budget surpluses versus debt. I'm shocked


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Budget games, numbers games, word games and more deflection, now answer my question,


Pretty simple really, PUSH THE GOP to help US instead of going with their ideology like they have for about 15 years. Help the US continue to get back to where Clinton had US, THEN bring revenues back up to where Clinton/Carter had them before this trickle down nonsense. Stop the GOP from putting EVERYTHING on the credit card. Pretty simple really!

We since you are apparently too stupid to answer a simple question I'll give you the answer.
Thrifty Clinton raised the national debt just about the same as Reagan during their two terms.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

Now let's compare them to your dear leaders first term.

> Barack Obama’s First Term – $5.806 trillion increase

The National Debt by President The National Debt Crisis
How dishonest do you have to be to compare nominal figures?

WTF are you talking about, nominal figures are the only ones that tell the truth, federal budgets are based on accounting tricks and smoke and mirrors, you can't have 60+% of spending off budget and anyone know the whole story, only the final year end debt increase or decrease tells the whole story.
 
Franklin D Roosevelt
I dislike him for many reasons, but I don't feel like arguing economics right now. But whether or not you think he was a savior during the Depression and WWII, you cannot deny that ordering the unconstitutional act of detaining the Japanese Americans without a trial is unforgivable.
He essentially threw out the Constitution and betrayed citizens of the United States. That alone should qualify him for, at least, one of the worst presidents ever.

FDR was a disaster, he prolonged the depression a decade with his asinine socialist policies... but his interning of the Japanese was essential and helped keep the US homeland out of the war.

Had he not done so, Japanese insurgents would have reaped havoc all over the United States, not the least of which would have been in manufacturing.

In today's mamby-pamby PC world it was cruel... but in the reality of the 1940s US. There was no reasonable alternative.

Is that supposed to be a fucking joke?
 
You mean you don't understand WHO and how the debt was created? I'll boil it down for you Bubba

OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS CONSERVATIVES/GOP HAVE REFUSED TO PAY FOR ANYTHING, INSTEAD PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE CREDIT CARD, THE ATTEMPTS BY THE LIBERALS/DEMS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WERE FOUGHT BY THE GOP/CONSERVATIVES. Weird you don't know that? But no one who is serious is worried about the current debt, why do you think money floods into the treasury to buy US bonds?


IF the GOP worked WITH Obama instead of fighting him, the US economy could grow it's way clear!

01d-political-cartoon-28-07-11.jpg



legacy-of-bush-tax-cuts.gif

Right, because liberals have been so honest in debt negotiations, they say if you just give us more of your money we'll hold the line on spending. Never happened, never will. Every penny spent by the feds should be reflected in the budget, no off books expenditures and no base line budgeting. Let the citizens see exactly what shape we're in. Both parties are complicit and it needs to stop.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.
Bush said he was giving us a tax rebate upon entering office because there was a surplus. Are you saying he was lying? Should he not have given us that rebate?

Any asshole politician who claims the federal government is running a surplus is a liar, you don't run a surplus until you've paid all outstanding obligations and have money left over.
Meanwhile, that's exactly what Bush did. Did you vote for him anyway?
 
Right, because liberals have been so honest in debt negotiations, they say if you just give us more of your money we'll hold the line on spending. Never happened, never will. Every penny spent by the feds should be reflected in the budget, no off books expenditures and no base line budgeting. Let the citizens see exactly what shape we're in. Both parties are complicit and it needs to stop.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.
Bush said he was giving us a tax rebate upon entering office because there was a surplus. Are you saying he was lying? Should he not have given us that rebate?

Any asshole politician who claims the federal government is running a surplus is a liar, you don't run a surplus until you've paid all outstanding obligations and have money left over.
Meanwhile, that's exactly what Bush did. Did you vote for him anyway?

Your dear leader swore no one with an income less than $250K would see a single dime tax increase, he lied, did you vote for him anyway? Most times we just have to go with who we think is the lesser evil.
 
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.


Like MOST right wingers, you don't understand the difference with budget surpluses versus debt. I'm shocked


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Budget games, numbers games, word games and more deflection, now answer my question,


Pretty simple really, PUSH THE GOP to help US instead of going with their ideology like they have for about 15 years. Help the US continue to get back to where Clinton had US, THEN bring revenues back up to where Clinton/Carter had them before this trickle down nonsense. Stop the GOP from putting EVERYTHING on the credit card. Pretty simple really!

We since you are apparently too stupid to answer a simple question I'll give you the answer.
Thrifty Clinton raised the national debt just about the same as Reagan during their two terms.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

Now let's compare them to your dear leaders first term.

> Barack Obama’s First Term – $5.806 trillion increase

The National Debt by President The National Debt Crisis

Nominal numbers? lol

Yeah, Ronnie TRIPLED US debt in his 8 years, Clinton had 4 surpluses, note the difference???


NOTE ANYTHING HERE BUBBA

Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png



The United States public debt as a percentage of GDP reached its highest level during Harry Truman's first presidential term, during and after World War II. Public debt as a percentage of GDP fell rapidly in the post-World War II period, and reached a low in 1974 under President Richard Nixon. Debt as a share of GDP has consistently increased since then, except during the terms of Democratic presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Public debt rose during the 1980s, as President Reagan cut taxes and increased military spending.


If Reagan and the Bushes Balanced had their Budgets?

National Debt Graph by President

US-national-debt-GDP-graph-facts.png
 
You mean you don't understand WHO and how the debt was created? I'll boil it down for you Bubba

OVER THE PAST 35 YEARS CONSERVATIVES/GOP HAVE REFUSED TO PAY FOR ANYTHING, INSTEAD PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE CREDIT CARD, THE ATTEMPTS BY THE LIBERALS/DEMS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WERE FOUGHT BY THE GOP/CONSERVATIVES. Weird you don't know that? But no one who is serious is worried about the current debt, why do you think money floods into the treasury to buy US bonds?


IF the GOP worked WITH Obama instead of fighting him, the US economy could grow it's way clear!

01d-political-cartoon-28-07-11.jpg



legacy-of-bush-tax-cuts.gif

Right, because liberals have been so honest in debt negotiations, they say if you just give us more of your money we'll hold the line on spending. Never happened, never will. Every penny spent by the feds should be reflected in the budget, no off books expenditures and no base line budgeting. Let the citizens see exactly what shape we're in. Both parties are complicit and it needs to stop.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.
Bush said he was giving us a tax rebate upon entering office because there was a surplus. Are you saying he was lying? Should he not have given us that rebate?

Any asshole politician who claims the federal government is running a surplus is a liar, you don't run a surplus until you've paid all outstanding obligations and have money left over.


Got it, an ignorant tool conflating a yearly budget versus debt. Shocking

INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'Budget Surplus'

When spending exceeds income, the result is a budget deficit, which must be financed by borrowing money and paying interest on the borrowed funds, much like an individual spending more than he can afford and carrying a balance on a credit card. A balanced budget occurs when spending equals income. The U.S. government has only had a budget surplus in a few years since 1950. The Clinton administration (1993-2001) famously cured a large budget deficit and created a surplus in the late 1990s.

Budget Surplus Definition Investopedia
 
Like MOST right wingers, you don't understand the difference with budget surpluses versus debt. I'm shocked


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Budget games, numbers games, word games and more deflection, now answer my question,


Pretty simple really, PUSH THE GOP to help US instead of going with their ideology like they have for about 15 years. Help the US continue to get back to where Clinton had US, THEN bring revenues back up to where Clinton/Carter had them before this trickle down nonsense. Stop the GOP from putting EVERYTHING on the credit card. Pretty simple really!

We since you are apparently too stupid to answer a simple question I'll give you the answer.
Thrifty Clinton raised the national debt just about the same as Reagan during their two terms.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

Now let's compare them to your dear leaders first term.

> Barack Obama’s First Term – $5.806 trillion increase

The National Debt by President The National Debt Crisis
How dishonest do you have to be to compare nominal figures?

WTF are you talking about, nominal figures are the only ones that tell the truth, federal budgets are based on accounting tricks and smoke and mirrors, you can't have 60+% of spending off budget and anyone know the whole story, only the final year end debt increase or decrease tells the whole story.
Your post is a wonderful example for why conservatives are such imbeciles when it comes to dealing with numbers. Let me see if I understand your point ....

During FDR's 12 years in office, the debt increased in nominal figures by only $0.18 trillion.

That's 15 billion per year.

By comparison, using nominal figures as you claim are the only numbers which tell the truth ... Reagan increased the debt, according to the figures you posted, by $1.7 trillion -- or 212 billion per year.

FDR ........ 15 billion per year
Reagan ... 212 billion per year

According to your idiocy, FDR managed the debt (and that included costs of the Great Depression and WWII) amazingly better than Reagan. :ack-1:

Is any of this penetration your thick skull?
 
Like MOST right wingers, you don't understand the difference with budget surpluses versus debt. I'm shocked


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Budget games, numbers games, word games and more deflection, now answer my question,


Pretty simple really, PUSH THE GOP to help US instead of going with their ideology like they have for about 15 years. Help the US continue to get back to where Clinton had US, THEN bring revenues back up to where Clinton/Carter had them before this trickle down nonsense. Stop the GOP from putting EVERYTHING on the credit card. Pretty simple really!

We since you are apparently too stupid to answer a simple question I'll give you the answer.
Thrifty Clinton raised the national debt just about the same as Reagan during their two terms.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

Now let's compare them to your dear leaders first term.

> Barack Obama’s First Term – $5.806 trillion increase

The National Debt by President The National Debt Crisis
How dishonest do you have to be to compare nominal figures?

WTF are you talking about, nominal figures are the only ones that tell the truth, federal budgets are based on accounting tricks and smoke and mirrors, you can't have 60+% of spending off budget and anyone know the whole story, only the final year end debt increase or decrease tells the whole story.

Simpleton. Off budget doesn't mean it's hidden. Grow up and grow a brain Bubba!

Yearly budgets are different than debt, perhaps don't get your economic advice from a computer programmer??
 
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.
Bush said he was giving us a tax rebate upon entering office because there was a surplus. Are you saying he was lying? Should he not have given us that rebate?

Any asshole politician who claims the federal government is running a surplus is a liar, you don't run a surplus until you've paid all outstanding obligations and have money left over.
Meanwhile, that's exactly what Bush did. Did you vote for him anyway?

Your dear leader swore no one with an income less than $250K would see a single dime tax increase, he lied, did you vote for him anyway? Most times we just have to go with who we think is the lesser evil.
I take it this means you did vote for Bush even though he lied to you? Oh, and Obama did not lie to me. I am in the same 28 percent bracket I was in when he became president. He did raise taxes on those earning $450K+ though.
 
Yup, that's what he is. Obama has just really fucked this country up. Yup, he sure has.

It's a bad day at the Wall Street Journal when they have to go to press with news like this. They're going to have to revert their Op Ed section back to....Op Ed, instead of "Why We Hate Obama".


Jobless Claims Fall By 20,000 in March 28 Week
Initial claims for jobless benefits near the lowest level in 15 years

Jobless Claims Fall By 20 000 in March 28 Week - WSJ
WASHINGTON—The number of Americans seeking first-time unemployment benefits fell to near the lowest level in 15 years last week, a sign of continued improvement in the labor market.

Initial jobless claims decreased by 20,000 to a seasonally adjusted 268,000 in the week ended March 28, the Labor Department said Thursday. Economists surveyed by The Wall Street Journal had expected 285,000 new claims.

Last week’s level was just about above the 267,000 new claims filed in the Jan. 24 week. Claims that week were the lowest since the spring of 2000."""

Right before the idiots elected Dubya!

Smoke and mirrors.....Maybe less people are applying for unemployment benefits. Does that mean more aren't unemployed and getting no income at all? Does that mean more aren't underemployed? Does that mean people have greatly increased their assets? Does that somehow erase the fact that Obama has stolen trillions from the American people? Does that erase the chaos that Obama is facilitating in the Middle East? Does that erase Obama's racist politics? Does that erase Obama's corruption at all levels of government?

Honestly, there are some good things going on in America while Obama happens to be at the helm. But let's not pretend that this country doesn't have the cancer still.


Without false premises, distortions and lies, what would the right wing EVER have??

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Only morons (like yourself) argue a series of cogent points by posting kiddy toons.


You and the rights inability to accept that after 8 years of Dubya/GOP job creator policies the US was falling off a cliff, AND it's 100% on Obama's shoulders the day he stepped into office. *shaking head*


You Klowns have amnesia of Dubya and Ronnie Reagan (most corrupt admin in modern times)

Go ahead and find me anywhere in this thread where I've argued on behalf of the GOP. I'm not a zombie like you, dumbfuck.
 
Right, because liberals have been so honest in debt negotiations, they say if you just give us more of your money we'll hold the line on spending. Never happened, never will. Every penny spent by the feds should be reflected in the budget, no off books expenditures and no base line budgeting. Let the citizens see exactly what shape we're in. Both parties are complicit and it needs to stop.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Remember HOW Clinton got 4 surpluses, 3 AFTER vetoing the GOP $792= billion tax cut?

PLEASE don't go to the canard about Ronnie Reagan, I don't want to have to embarrass you!

So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a
Budget games, numbers games, word games and more deflection, now answer my question,


Pretty simple really, PUSH THE GOP to help US instead of going with their ideology like they have for about 15 years. Help the US continue to get back to where Clinton had US, THEN bring revenues back up to where Clinton/Carter had them before this trickle down nonsense. Stop the GOP from putting EVERYTHING on the credit card. Pretty simple really!

We since you are apparently too stupid to answer a simple question I'll give you the answer.
Thrifty Clinton raised the national debt just about the same as Reagan during their two terms.

> Ronald Reagan’s First Term – $656 billion increase

> Ronald Reagan’s Second Term – $1.036 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s First Term – $1.122 trillion increase

> Bill Clinton’s Second Term – $418 billion increase

Now let's compare them to your dear leaders first term.

> Barack Obama’s First Term – $5.806 trillion increase

The National Debt by President The National Debt Crisis
How dishonest do you have to be to compare nominal figures?

WTF are you talking about, nominal figures are the only ones that tell the truth, federal budgets are based on accounting tricks and smoke and mirrors, you can't have 60+% of spending off budget and anyone know the whole story, only the final year end debt increase or decrease tells the whole story.

Simpleton. Off budget doesn't mean it's hidden. Grow up and grow a brain Bubba!

Yearly budgets are different than debt, perhaps don't get your economic advice from a computer programmer??

honesty and reality check here.
Bush said he was giving us a tax rebate upon entering office because there was a surplus. Are you saying he was lying? Should he not have given us that rebate?

Any asshole politician who claims the federal government is running a surplus is a liar, you don't run a surplus until you've paid all outstanding obligations and have money left over.


Got it, an ignorant tool conflating a yearly budget versus debt. Shocking

INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'Budget Surplus'

When spending exceeds income, the result is a budget deficit, which must be financed by borrowing money and paying interest on the borrowed funds, much like an individual spending more than he can afford and carrying a balance on a credit card. A balanced budget occurs when spending equals income. The U.S. government has only had a budget surplus in a few years since 1950. The Clinton administration (1993-2001) famously cured a large budget deficit and created a surplus in the late 1990s.

Budget Surplus Definition Investopedia

More freaking word games, they should have said, A balanced budget occurs when on budget spending equals on budget income, the deficit does not reflect the total debt incurred by the federal government in a given year.

The fact is the federal government has carried a national debt most of it's existence and just servicing that debt will rise to near 1 trillion a year, in fact if there is a hiccup in interest rates it could exceed that. So just keep playing your word games, they won't mitigate the on coming disaster.
 
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So your saying the national debt declined during those 4 fantasy surpluses? Let's do a honesty and reality check here.
Bush said he was giving us a tax rebate upon entering office because there was a surplus. Are you saying he was lying? Should he not have given us that rebate?

Any asshole politician who claims the federal government is running a surplus is a liar, you don't run a surplus until you've paid all outstanding obligations and have money left over.
Meanwhile, that's exactly what Bush did. Did you vote for him anyway?

Your dear leader swore no one with an income less than $250K would see a single dime tax increase, he lied, did you vote for him anyway? Most times we just have to go with who we think is the lesser evil.
I take it this means you did vote for Bush even though he lied to you? Oh, and Obama did not lie to me. I am in the same 28 percent bracket I was in when he became president. He did raise taxes on those earning $450K+ though.

He did lie, I'm not in your 28% bracket, mine is lower and he did raise my taxes along with 23% of other Americans, mostly in the lower income brackets.
 

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