WSJ: The World Bakes Under Extreme Heat

[elektra]

Then move there ...

Bonneville Power Administration in funded by wholesale electric sales only, not tax dollars ... hydro and wind power ... cheapest in the nation ... and I can afford my golf cart on my own, they're not that expensive ...

If you're paying for someone else's EV ... you've made a terrible mistake someplace ... but if you'd rather pay for butchers lopping the heads off of women, well I guess we all gotta hate on something ... right? ... might as well hate on women ... they should keep their mouth shut or get beaten to death ... like in Saudi Arabia ...

Bonneville? Hydro power, not solar or wind

EV's are subsidized

Solar and Wind power increase the use of oil, so the horrors you describe are horrors you support

 

[jc456]

Then move there ...

Bonneville Power Administration in funded by wholesale electric sales only, not tax dollars ... hydro and wind power ... cheapest in the nation ... and I can afford my golf cart on my own, they're not that expensive ...

If you're paying for someone else's EV ... you've made a terrible mistake someplace ... but if you'd rather pay for butchers lopping the heads off of women, well I guess we all gotta hate on something ... right? ... might as well hate on women ... they should keep their mouth shut or get beaten to death ... like in Saudi Arabia ...

I respectfully disagree ... AND I limit my (personal) gasoline use to less than a tank full a month ... my streets are clean and safe, but the drug addicts have nowhere else to go ...

Subsidies are tax payers money

 

[Libby von H]

Besides the Temp/weather itself, the effects are already costly.
Worldwide Rotisserie likely to show up as Record July... TOO.

The World Bakes Under Extreme Heat​

Warming oceans and heat domes are contributing to one of the hottest summers on record​

Visitors crowd around a water fountain in Rome. A heat wave in the Mediterranean region is set to intensify this week. GAIA SQUARCI/BLOOMBERG NEWS


Wall Street Journal
Updated July 19, 2023
""Roads, bridges and train tracks built to the design standards of the 20th century are buckling from extreme heat gripping the globe. Power grids, buildings and cooling systems are under strain.

Design standards have failed to keep up with a warming climate, say engineering and construction experts who are pushing their clients to invest in solutions to make existing buildings cooler while factoring in the cost of future heat waves.
“The U.S. isn’t prepared for what we’ve had so far, let alone more of it,” said Adam Jaffe, senior materials engineer at Arup, a global design and architecture firm, about extreme heat.

Throughout July, Record-setting temperatures have Broiled the southern half of the U.S., southern Europe, central China and eastern Asia. The heat has caused scattered power outages in several countries and buckled roads in Utah, Louisiana and Wisconsin, according to local news reports. In Texas, a section of Interstate 10 in Houston and a six-lane state highway south of the city ruptured during 100-plus-degree heat in late June.
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The World Bakes Under Extreme Heat

A string of deadly heat waves has upended daily life across much of the world, straining businesses and threatening power grids.

www.wsj.com

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It was a hot summer and climate is changing but there is no conneciton in your mere assertion and from what I know there is provably NOT a connection. Look at the whole picture
All the below are improving



foliage productivity
extinctions
floods & droughts
forest mass & tree cover
coral reef island area
mainland coastal area
hurricane frequency & intensity
tornadoes
agricultural production
weather fatalities
weather economic damages

 

[jc456]

It was a hot summer and climate is changing but there is no conneciton in your mere assertion and from what I know there is provably NOT a connection. Look at the whole picture
All the below are improving



foliage productivity
extinctions
floods & droughts
forest mass & tree cover
coral reef island area
mainland coastal area
hurricane frequency & intensity
tornadoes
agricultural production
weather fatalities
weather economic damages

Aren’t most summers hot? I thought that was a summertime element

 

[Woodznutz]

A portion of the money you spend on gasoline goes to pay a police officer in Saudi Arabia to cut a woman's head off in public for the sin of ... you know ... driving a car ... anyone in Saudi Arabia who's mother is a woman is going to hate you ...

I wish the US Presidents would quit traveling there to perform fellatio on the Royal Family ... I'd rather drive an EV personally ... but US voters disagree ...

Saudi Arabia's ban on women driving officially ends

Women can now drive in the conservative kingdom, but there has been a crackdown on activists.

www.bbc.com

 

[abu afak]

It was a hot summer and climate is changing but there is no conneciton in your mere assertion and from what I know there is provably NOT a connection. Look at the whole picture
All the below are improving

foliage productivity
extinctions
floods & droughts
forest mass & tree cover
coral reef island area
mainland coastal area
hurricane frequency & intensity
tornadoes
agricultural production
weather fatalities
weather economic damages

We did this yesterday Liddyotic!
And you posted the link for it... which backfired. (instead of now plagiarizing)
Get some new material
Again, YOUR LINK, 'justfacts'

A scientifically-trained peson would not even think that such data nulifies other data. What proves opposites, PROVES NOTHING
IN FACT, the following climate-related measures have stayed level or improved for the past 30–170 years:

• foliage productivity
• extinctions
• floods & droughts
• forest mass & tree cover
• coral reef island area
• mainland coastal area
• hurricane frequency & intensity
• tornadoes
• agricultural production
• weather fatalities
• weather economic damages

"Other Data" such as foliage/forest mass is Helped by the SAME increase in CO2 that Causes warming. It does NOT Prove one thing and Prove the opposite.
That's why it/they are called GREENHOUSE GASES which also indisputably cause temperature rise.
Your website admits sea level is rising and temp as well WITH the increase in GHGs
They also Chery Pick 'scientists/studies/sources and use ie, "UN predictions" and old studies. See one in below sequence one from 1971 when much later data is available.

But even then Here is a Big Consecutive Hunk of THEIR Data FOR actual Temp and CO2.
The rest such as you post, are other categories in which Some Correlate some do Not is just used to ambiguate. They do not "Prove" one thing and Prove the opposite. (Uneducated assertion)
Science/Scientific Theories do not deal in absolute "proof."
Only Math has absolute proof. They are validated by consistent observation and evidence over time.
ie, Evolution and Atomic theory are FACTS if not "proven."
Same with AGW:

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Justfacts:
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* Natural processes emit about 770 billion metric tons of CO2 per year,[50] [51] [52] while human activities emit about 40 billion,[53] [54] or 5% of natural emissions.[55] Natural processes absorb the equivalent of all natural emissions plus about 52% of man-made emissions, leaving an Additional 19 Billion metric tons of CO2 in the atmosphere each year.[56] [57] [58]

* Since the outset of the Industrial Revolution in the late 1700s,[59] the portion of the earth’s atmosphere that is comprised of carbon dioxide has increased from 0.028% to 0.041%, or by about 49%:

[60]

† In permafrost regions, perennial snow accumulations trap air bubbles that leave records of past airborne CO2 concentrations.[61] [62] [63] Because regional CO2 concentrations vary by less than 10 parts per million over the Earth, these local records are globally representative.[64] [65]

* Per a 1971 article in the journal Science coauthored by climatologist Stephen Schneider, who later created the journal Climatic Change and was a founding member of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:[66]

[A]lthough the addition of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does increase the surface temperature, the rate of temperature increase diminishes with increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

[A]s more CO2 is added to the atmosphere, the rate of temperature increase is proportionally less and less, and the increase eventually levels off.

[T]he runaway greenhouse effect does not occur because the 15-μm CO2 band, which is the main source of absorption, “saturates,” and the addition of more CO2 does not substantially increase the infrared opacity of the atmosphere.[67]

Global Temperature Changes​

Satellite Data​

* Instruments located on satellites can measure certain properties of oxygen that vary with temperature. Data from these instruments is used to calculate the average temperatures of different layers of the Earth’s atmosphere.[68] [69]

* The lowermost layer of the atmosphere, which is called the “lower troposphere,” ranges from ground level to about five miles (8 km) high.[70] [71] According to satellite data correlated and adjusted by the National Space Science and Technology Center at the University of Alabama Huntsville, the average temperature of the lower troposphere increased by 0.8ºF (0.5ºC) between the 1980s and the most-recent decade from 2013 to 2022:


[72] [73] [74]

* For reference, a temperature analysis of a borehole drilled on a glacier in Greenland found that the location was about 22ºF (12ºC) colder during the last ice age than it is now.[75]

* Sources of uncertainty in satellite-derived temperatures involve variations in satellite orbits, variations in measuring instruments, and variations in the calculations used to translate raw data into temperatures.[76] [77]

* A 2011 paper in the International Journal of Remote Sensing estimates that the accuracy of satellite-derived temperatures for the lower troposphere is “approaching” ±0.05ºF (0.03ºC) per decade, or ±0.18ºF (0.1ºC) over 30+ years.[78]

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Surface Temperatures​

* According to temperature measurements taken near the Earth’s surface that are correlated and adjusted by NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, the Earth’s average temperature warmed by 1.6ºF (0.9ºC) between the 1880s and the most-recent decade from 2013 to 2022:


[79]

* According to temperature measurements taken near the Earth’s surface that are correlated and adjusted by the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia in the U.K., the Earth’s average temperature warmed by 2.0ºF (1.1ºC) between the 1850s and the most-recent decade from 2013 to 2022:


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That's ALL a Contiguous hunk from Justfacts showing the CONSISTENT CO2 and Temp Rise, and acknowledging (perhaps wittingly/perhaps unwittingly) that it's from the Increased/unabsorbed/"Additional 19 Billion metric tons of CO2 we produce yearly."

Last edited: Yesterday at 11:58 AM
Yesterday at 11:58 AM

 

[jc456]

* According to temperature measurements taken near the Earth’s surface that are correlated and adjusted by the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia in the U.K.,

What does this imply to you?

 

[ding]

Actually that's your usual LIE/misdirection.
You need to go back and look at ie, Marcott's 12,000 Years to see whether there is a Human-Caused CO2 and Temp spike that does Not look liked other Interglacials and happened 50x as fast. Because on a 50/500 million year graphic 150 years is far too fine/tiny of a detail to see THEE issue at hand.


Marcot a/o yr 2000, now even Higher Spike/well thru our Present Interglacial and heading up the last.
ergo the current "100,000-125,000 year" recent average Temps.

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You just prove most of the last 10,000 years was warmer than today. Congratulations.

 

[ding]

Is it just me or does Apu sound incoherent most of the time?

 

[jc456]

Is it just me or does Apu sound incoherent most of the time?

Understatement

 

[abu afak]

You just prove most of the last 10,000 years was warmer than today. Congratulations.

That's a blatant and Simpleton's Lie. (IOW, ding)
Now is the Highest (obviously) in our whole interglacial (see graph)
Thus all the Headlines that we are now the Hottest in 100,000-120,000 Years.
Because they had to go back to the last Ice Age to find temps as warm.

Even you know you're Lying.
You also know you've Lost THE battle here and have no alternative but to try and call Your Destroyer crazy.
100,000 Wrong Ding posts!
You have to lie and insinuate.

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[ding]

That's a blatant and Simpleton's Lie. (IOW, ding)
Now is the Highest (obviously) in our whole interglacial (see graph)
Thus all the Headlines that we are now the Hottest in 100,000-120,000 Years.
Because they had to go back to the last Ice Age to find temps as warm.

Even you know you're Lying.
You also know you've Lost THE battle here and have no alternative but to try and call Your Destroyer crazy.
100,000 Wrong Ding posts!
You have to lie and insinuate.

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"...Kobashi et al. (2011) have reconstructed Greenland surface snow temperature variability over the past 4,000 years (until 1993) at the GISP2 site (near the Summit of the Greenland ice sheet) with a new method that utilizes argon and nitrogen isotopic ratios from occluded air bubbles (Figure B4, Appendix B). These data indicate that warmer temperatures were the norm in the earlier part of the past 4,000 years, including century-long intervals nearly 1°C warmer than the decade (2001-2010). Therefore, it appears that the current decadal mean temperature in Greenland has not exceeded the envelope of natural variability over the past 4,000 years. Schönwiese (1995)has reconstructed temperatures from ice cores in Greenland for the last 11,000 years (Figure B5,Appendix B). These reconstructions show that during the past 10,000 years temperatures over long periods were higher than they are today. The warmest phase occurred 4,000 to 8,000 years agoand is known as the Holocene Climate Optimum or the Atlantic Period..."

https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-milj...594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/DP1007.pdf

 

[ReinyDays]

Bonneville? Hydro power, not solar or wind

EV's are subsidized

Solar and Wind power increase the use of oil, so the horrors you describe are horrors you support

Bonneville is full of wind ... turbines line either side of the upper Columbia River Gorge, right there beside those TWO trunk lines to California ... you know, that's the wind surfing capital of the world ...

Oil is subsidized ... check the environmental impact statements for fracking operations ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Subsidies are tax payers money

For the tax payers to decide ... not you ... {Cite}

MAGA Mike Johnson is giving your money away ... why do you keep supporting him? ...

 

[Libby von H]

IN FACT, the following climate-related measures have stayed level or improved for the past 30–170 years:

• foliage productivity
• extinctions
• floods & droughts
• forest mass & tree cover
• coral reef island area
• mainland coastal area
• hurricane frequency & intensity
• tornadoes
• agricultural production
• weather fatalities
• weather economic damages

 

[jc456]

For the tax payers to decide ... not you ... {Cite}

MAGA Mike Johnson is giving your money away ... why do you keep supporting him? ...

what tax payers are deciding spending in congress?

 

[jc456]

For the tax payers to decide ... not you ... {Cite}

MAGA Mike Johnson is giving your money away ... why do you keep supporting him? ...

you meant Peloser right? Schumer, right?

 

[elektra]

Bonneville is full of wind ... turbines line either side of the upper Columbia River Gorge, right there beside those TWO trunk lines to California ... you know, that's the wind surfing capital of the world ...

Oil is subsidized ... check the environmental impact statements for fracking operations ...

wind and solar are subsidized, I have challenged you to show the subsidies of oil, you can not.

What is the equivalent of the PTC that oil gets????

Yes, there is wind, and you see turbines. Big deal. What you see is the end product of the world's largest heavy industry project. To build those turbines, heavy industry uses millions of tons of coal. Why coal, because you need the heat from coal to melt iron ore to make steel, you need coal to melt silica to make fiberglass.

All process, even the electric arc furnace, still uses coal, or to be accurate, coke. Coke is either refined coal, natural, or made from natural gas.

Then of course there are chemicals that make wind turbines, that only come from heavy industry, processed from oil. Chemicals needed to make fiberglass, resins, etc.. Millions of tons of chemicals.

Nice, you are happy that the landscape has been destroyed, that animals were displaced and killed, that birds like eagles will now be killed.

You dont care that electric prices are rising and that it is the fault of your wind power project which effects everyone in the USA

 

[elektra]

Bonneville is full of wind ... turbines line either side of the upper Columbia River Gorge, right there beside those TWO trunk lines to California ... you know, that's the wind surfing capital of the world ...

Oil is subsidized ... check the environmental impact statements for fracking operations ...

The price of your electricity is rising, looks like a good 11% hike this year and more next year. Enjoy those wind turbines that destroy the environment.

Nice, you had a good laugh rubbing cheap prices in our faces, now your rates are going up. Enjoy the end of cheap electricity in Idaho and relax while you look at your expensive wind turbine eagle choppers. You get to pay more

MSN

For residential customers, that would mean a 10.8% rate hike

 

[westwall]

Bonneville is full of wind ... turbines line either side of the upper Columbia River Gorge, right there beside those TWO trunk lines to California ... you know, that's the wind surfing capital of the world ...

Oil is subsidized ... check the environmental impact statements for fracking operations ...

Oil is not subsidized. It gets the normal tax breaks that any other business gets.