You simply cant make this up.

[Calypso Jones]

I don't think there are any "true nazis" anywhere.

the left sees them all over the right..same as racism. they've used these terms so often they don't mean much anymore.

 

[JWBooth]

Am looking for confirmation and a reliable translation. Supposedly on Ukraine news a reporter called for the killing of Russian children while quoting Eichmann, but there are no Nazis there.

 

[bendog]

These guys leaders fight for "national socialism" and their are many pictures of them defeating the separatists back in 2014 with swastikas and pictures of adolf.
Maybe they arent "literal" NAZIs but they wanna be. Thats why they are being called "neo-NAZIs"

Well, a lotta people do swastikas. I have no problem with "neo nazi," in so far as it goes, but the RW marchers in Charlottesville really didn't support the entire Nazi platform. That's why I question any use of "neo nazi" as much as "stalinist." imo its more about one group that wants the other group's shit.

And in posts 44 and 76 I believe you refer to the Ukrainian ultranationalists as "nazis." So I don't apologize for confusion, but I do apologize for questioning your motives. You're an honest guy.

 

[BWK]

You have yet to prove there are no nazi's in Ukraine.

I never said there weren't. The problem is, they haven't had the chance to prove they are. And quite likely, they never will. So, the OP hasn't proven his point.

So far, we see some sentiments, just as we see it in our own country. Have they full filled their dreams? Not that I can tell. But the potential is certainly there.

Which is why, the last thing we need is another Trump for president, a FOX news conspiracy nut, and wacko Cultists who believe everything they say.

 

[TNHarley]

I find when it’s said that something can’t be made up, it usually is.

Elaborate please

 

[TNHarley]

Well, a lotta people do swastikas. I have no problem with "neo nazi," in so far as it goes, but the RW marchers in Charlottesville really didn't support the entire Nazi platform. That's why I question any use of "neo nazi" as much as "stalinist." imo its more about one group that wants the other group's shit.

And in posts 44 and 76 I believe you refer to the Ukrainian ultranationalists as "nazis." So I don't apologize for confusion, but I do apologize for questioning your motives. You're an honest guy.

That was probably because i was being lazy LOL
Thanks Ben.

 

[BWK]

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We see Hitler salutes.

 

[bendog]

We see Hitler salutes.

My fav seen in Strangelove. "Mien Fuhrer, I can valk again!"

 

[konradv]

Elaborate please

My comment speaks for itself. The only real elaboration I have is to say that the phrase is hackneyed, overused and makes me suspicious that someone’s trying to put something over on me.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

So we are to believe the russians now?

It's clear that although Putin and his thugs must be put down like rabid dogs this is not a contest between
pure good and evil as Ukraine leaves a lot to be desired.
The country is thoroughly corrupt as that seems to be the only way to get things done in that part of the
world.

That's why is was particularly funny when Joe Biden came in and threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine
if the guy investigating the thoroughly corrupt Burisma corporation, employer of whore-
mongering and crack cocaine addicted and severely unqualified to be of any use to Burisma at all except as
the son of American criminal Joe Biden, wasn't immediately fired. And he was as Joe bragged to cronies
in a video he stupidly released.

But seldom do we get to make clear distinctions such as in this case.
Vlad Putin has forced the issue so we clearly support Ukraine for better or worse.

 

[bripat9643]

Same thing with Ukraine and Zelensky.

He refuses to recognize that the ethnic Russian regions want to be in Russia, and have voted as such. How many ethnic Russians did he kill in Donbas since 2014? Zelensky also shuts down opposition media and journalists go missing there frequently. So don’t pretend the Ukraine is some wonderful democracy.

A lot of Hispanics in California want to be part of Mexico. Do you think we should allow that?

 

[bendog]

My comment speaks for itself. The only real elaboration I have is to say that the phrase is hackneyed, overused and makes me suspicious that someone’s trying to put something over on me.

Some Russians came to the reading group I'm in back when we were reading Master and Margarita (the restored version) and they sorta said American confuses Putin with Stalin and makes him a sort of bogeyman.

To be fair, Putin of today may be much more a real bogeyman than 5-7 years ago. Before Trump. Before Brexit. Before covid. So, I think they had something. Putin historically has been interested in the benefit of Russian citizens. He certainly has no liking for personal liberty. But Stalin would have been happy to see half of Russia put to death simply to prop up his own being. Putin's a mass murder and war criminal, but "his intentions were not totally evil." LOL

Hey, it cud be worse. He's not as bad as Stalin. ynnn Maybe pol pot, maybe not as corrupt as Idi Amin. LOL

 

[Lesh]

You have yet to prove there are no nazi's in Ukraine.

We have em in THIS country dumfuks...and most support Trump

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

We could scrape the bottoms of our own barrels and come up with some pretty impressively scummy
people.
But I don't doubt that, overall, America would be well worth fighting for.
And so it goes for Ukraine, I suppose. Especially when juxtaposed against Russia itself who must deal
with a madman like Vlad Putin.

I think the average Russian is reasonably moderate.

 

[konradv]

It's clear that although Putin and his thugs must be put down like rabid dogs this is not a contest between
pure good and evil as Ukraine leaves a lot to be desired.
The country is thoroughly corrupt as that seems to be the only way to get things done in that part of the
world.

That's why is was particularly funny when Joe Biden came in and threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine
if the guy investigating the thoroughly corrupt Burisma corporation, employer of whore-
mongering and crack cocaine addicted and severely unqualified to be of any use to Burisma at all except as
the son of American criminal Joe Biden, wasn't immediately fired. And he was as Joe bragged to cronies
in a video he stupidly released.

But seldom do we get to make clear distinctions such as in this case.
Vlad Putin has forced the issue so we clearly support Ukraine for better or worse.

Why is Ukraine being bashed over corruption and not Russia? For all its faults Ukraine is much more democratic than Russia.

Democracy Index(The Economist)

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

We have em in THIS country dumfuks...and most support Trump

You seem to be the authority when it comes to dumb fucks, as you consistently demonstrate.

 

[Lesh]

Why is Ukraine being bashed over corruption and not Russia? For all its faults Ukraine is much more democratic than Russia.

Democracy Index(The Economist)

And FAR less corrupt

 

[bendog]

It's clear that although Putin and his thugs must be put down like rabid dogs this is not a contest between
pure good and evil as Ukraine leaves a lot to be desired.
The country is thoroughly corrupt as that seems to be the only way to get things done in that part of the
world.

That's why is was particularly funny when Joe Biden came in and threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine
if the guy investigating the thoroughly corrupt Burisma corporation, employer of whore-
mongering and crack cocaine addicted and severely unqualified to be of any use to Burisma at all except as
the son of American criminal Joe Biden, wasn't immediately fired. And he was as Joe bragged to cronies
in a video he stupidly released.

But seldom do we get to make clear distinctions such as in this case.
Vlad Putin has forced the issue so we clearly support Ukraine for better or worse.

curiously, Nato didn't want them and even the EU wanted reforms first. But Putin sort of pushed open the EU door for them.

Personally, I think they should be given favored trade status, but only because it's the least bad option.

 

[bendog]

We could scrape the bottoms of our own barrels and come up with some pretty impressively scummy
people.
But I don't doubt that, overall, America would be well worth fighting for.
And so it goes for Ukraine, I suppose. Especially when juxtaposed against Russia itself who must deal
with a madman like Vlad Putin.

I think the average Russian is reasonably moderate.

I have no idea about the avg Russian. Back when the coup against Yeltsin failed, Russia had a constitutional referendum establishing a strong president and curtailing liberty. Some said they chose sausage over freedom. I'm not convinced they wouldn't turn a blind eye to concentration camps.

I don't think we should have done a deal with Hitler though.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Why is Ukraine being bashed over corruption and not Russia? For all its faults Ukraine is much more democratic than Russia.

I think Russia is clearly seen as corrupt to the core.
Unfortunately Ukraine seems to be corrupt as well, though probably not nearly so bad.

As I said, in that part of the world corruption seems to be endemic.