You won’t believe how little $8.25 an hour buys

[M14 Shooter]

Pay a Worker the shittiest wage possible, Outsource their job whenever possible, and replace em with Illegal Slave Labor. Gee, helluva platform there Republicans.

^^^
A lie.

 

[Redfish]

Pay a Worker the shittiest wage possible, Outsource their job whenever possible, and replace em with Illegal Slave Labor.

Gee, helluva platform there Republicans. I wonder why American Workers are rushing to vote for the other Party. The GOP needs to get a clue. The greedy angry white dude thing is a real turnoff to most voters. Time for the Party to evolve.

give us a list of the republican sponsored bills that created this mess. remember the dems have controlled congress for most of the last 80 years.

then give us quotes from any republican who supports what you claim they all support.

 

[paulitician]

Let's be real, it's becoming more & more clear to most, that angry greedy white Republican dude doesn't have a soul. He enjoys treating Workers like shit. And he enjoys doin heinous shit like this...

Kinda people you're dealing with.

 

[BlackSand]

I care for other people, sorry if you don't. People will always have to be at the bottom, in fact, billions will never be able to escape, it's common sense to help them, in america, and worldwide.

Raising the bottom never makes it anything other than the bottom.
Attempts to suggest that the minimum (no matter what you do to it) will ever be anything other than the bottom is dishonest at best.

You don't care about people escaping the bottom ... You want to make their remaining at the bottom more comfortable ... And they should hate you for it.

.

 

[I amso IR]

The only thing I dislike about socialism is when they, the party officials, hook up the people with the oxen to plow the fields of the government farms. It makes the plowing much more difficult for the oxen. One would think that some an understanding, university educated leader would see the problem, adjust the number of people needed to do the job, unhook the oxen and allow them to feed and allow the people to pull the plow themselves. That is what I dislike about socialism and " pinko commies". Save the oxen, thats my creedo!

 

[Papageorgio]

I posted two job openings at the place I work. One is an unskilled position paying $10 per hour. The second is a skilled position paying twice that.

I have yet to receive any qualified candidate's application for the skill position. I received over 20 for the $10 per hour position.

 

[Bombur]

MW jobs are for teens making pocket money and learning how to work. They are not a lifetime career path unless you have absolutely no skills or education or are too lazy to get any.

The "war on poverty" has been going on for 50 years, trillions have been wasted on it, and the poverty rate is higher now than when LBJ started it.

A government cannot spend a nation into prosperity or increase the value of unskilled labor.

Sorry, but if your only skill is using your back to carry things, then you probably will never own a mercedes.

LIfe ain't fair, the govt cannot make it fair. Some wild pigs get eaten by lions and some survive to reproduce. Should the govt make lions stop eating?

The MW rate impacts a lot of people, not just those making min wage. It basically impacts all of the retail jobs that are out there.

Governments can do plenty to impact labor markets. Our own labor market is impacted significantly by China's government.

MW affects people making MW. It also affects people who buy products produced or delivered by MW earners. Raising the MW will put many MW earners out of work and will impact those who buy products because prices will go up. Its already happening in the blue city of Seattle. Fast food joints have reduced staff and raised prices----------------so tell us, who is benefitting from this increase?

As to China, jobs have gone to china for several reasons, a couple of them are US corporate taxes, unions, and regulations.

Are you happy that GE and GM are building their products in china and mexico?

The negative impact of MW hikes mostly involve markets reacting to the price shock. Once the price shock is adjusted to the impact on employment and prices is not nearly as disruptive. Obviously the higher wages help the people who get higher wages but it also reduces the need for those workers to rely on government aid. The US subsidizes low wage employment significantly.

The trade deficit with China is way worse than it is with Mexico and it is largely due to purposeful manipulation by the Chinese government.

 

[Redfish]

MW jobs are for teens making pocket money and learning how to work. They are not a lifetime career path unless you have absolutely no skills or education or are too lazy to get any.

The "war on poverty" has been going on for 50 years, trillions have been wasted on it, and the poverty rate is higher now than when LBJ started it.

A government cannot spend a nation into prosperity or increase the value of unskilled labor.

Sorry, but if your only skill is using your back to carry things, then you probably will never own a mercedes.

LIfe ain't fair, the govt cannot make it fair. Some wild pigs get eaten by lions and some survive to reproduce. Should the govt make lions stop eating?

The MW rate impacts a lot of people, not just those making min wage. It basically impacts all of the retail jobs that are out there.

Governments can do plenty to impact labor markets. Our own labor market is impacted significantly by China's government.

MW affects people making MW. It also affects people who buy products produced or delivered by MW earners. Raising the MW will put many MW earners out of work and will impact those who buy products because prices will go up. Its already happening in the blue city of Seattle. Fast food joints have reduced staff and raised prices----------------so tell us, who is benefitting from this increase?

As to China, jobs have gone to china for several reasons, a couple of them are US corporate taxes, unions, and regulations.

Are you happy that GE and GM are building their products in china and mexico?

The negative impact of MW hikes mostly involve markets reacting to the price shock. Once the price shock is adjusted to the impact on employment and prices is not nearly as disruptive. Obviously the higher wages help the people who get higher wages but it also reduces the need for those workers to rely on government aid. The US subsidizes low wage employment significantly.

The trade deficit with China is way worse than it is with Mexico and it is largely due to purposeful manipulation by the Chinese government.

If you make more but everything you buy costs more, you have accomplished nothing.

We need to play hardball with the chinese, Trump is the only candidate who knows how to do that

 

[Bombur]

MW jobs are for teens making pocket money and learning how to work. They are not a lifetime career path unless you have absolutely no skills or education or are too lazy to get any.

The "war on poverty" has been going on for 50 years, trillions have been wasted on it, and the poverty rate is higher now than when LBJ started it.

A government cannot spend a nation into prosperity or increase the value of unskilled labor.

Sorry, but if your only skill is using your back to carry things, then you probably will never own a mercedes.

LIfe ain't fair, the govt cannot make it fair. Some wild pigs get eaten by lions and some survive to reproduce. Should the govt make lions stop eating?

The MW rate impacts a lot of people, not just those making min wage. It basically impacts all of the retail jobs that are out there.

Governments can do plenty to impact labor markets. Our own labor market is impacted significantly by China's government.

MW affects people making MW. It also affects people who buy products produced or delivered by MW earners. Raising the MW will put many MW earners out of work and will impact those who buy products because prices will go up. Its already happening in the blue city of Seattle. Fast food joints have reduced staff and raised prices----------------so tell us, who is benefitting from this increase?

As to China, jobs have gone to china for several reasons, a couple of them are US corporate taxes, unions, and regulations.

Are you happy that GE and GM are building their products in china and mexico?

The negative impact of MW hikes mostly involve markets reacting to the price shock. Once the price shock is adjusted to the impact on employment and prices is not nearly as disruptive. Obviously the higher wages help the people who get higher wages but it also reduces the need for those workers to rely on government aid. The US subsidizes low wage employment significantly.

The trade deficit with China is way worse than it is with Mexico and it is largely due to purposeful manipulation by the Chinese government.

If you make more but everything you buy costs more, you have accomplished nothing.

We need to play hardball with the chinese, Trump is the only candidate who knows how to do that

The people getting paid more benefit way more even if they are paying slightly higher prices on some things. These people are likely to spend all of their money so it isn't like the money just disappears.

The issue with China is not so simple as that and in the mean time something has to be done.

 

[Billy000]

You won t believe how little 8.25 an hour buys Oxfam America First Person Blog
Disgusting that this is possible in the "richest country in the world"

Cleaning the movie theater is part of my daughter's duties. But does her job actually pay enough to live on? Photo: Mary Babic/Oxfam America
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For my hard-working family and friends who earn just above the US minimum wage, a paycheck doesn’t go very far.

My daughter struck it lucky when she landed a job for $8.25 an hour at the local movie theater. They pay 25 cents more than the Massachusetts minimum wage (which is already 75 cents more than the federal wage); they don’t charge her for the monogrammed black polo shirt that constitutes her uniform (unlike some businesses); they let her know her hours a few days ahead; and they are, simply put, nice people: film nerds who enjoy keeping an independent theater alive, who don’t mind if she reads a book while sitting in the box office and waiting for the next rush.

Still, it’s a business. Her hours each week never mount up to the point where they’d be responsible for her healthcare (30 hours a week or more); her schedule varies widely; when it’s slow, they let her go (and it’s been a slow year for movies). And, to reiterate: they pay $8.25 an hour.

You can’t blame them; they’re generous at paying more than the legally required wage. But it is, even for my daughter, a measly wage. She lives at home, but she’s scraping together savings for college, living very simply, contributing to the household.

So what her earnings really translate to? I wondered, after seeing this helpful and harrowing piece on What Life Really Costs at $7.25 an Hour.

First, there’s transportation. After taxes, she brings home $7.62 an hour. Last week, after working for 27 hours (and commuting for about 8 hours), she got a check for $205.71. Just to get there and back: Slice the bus fare off the top (2.10 each way; 4.20 round trip; times four): 205.71 – 16.80 = 188.91.

A sandwich = one hour’s work. Some days, when her shift stretches longer than eight hours, she gets a plain chicken sandwich at the place next door: 7.43 (with tax). So she works a full hour to buy a sandwich. Without a drink.

A book = three hours. She loves books and music, and we visit the library every week. But sometimes she likes to buy the ones she loves the very most. Her favorite graphic novelist, Emily Carroll, just published a beautiful new book, Through the Woods. On Amazon, discounted, it’s $18.10. So she worked almost three hours to buy it.

Work shoes cost a day’s pay. We do most of our shopping at Goodwill, but every once in a while, she indulges. She really needed a good pair of shoes as she stands most of the time at work. She got a cheap pair of Nikes at around $50: Basically, a day’s pay.

And what about college tuition? Again, she got lucky: Smith College offered her a whopping scholarship, covering about half the cost. Which left her with a bill of (only) $24,000 for a year, not counting books, art supplies, etc.

So if she wants to cover one year of college – at this deeply discounted price – she’s going to work 3150 hours. Or 61 hours a week for a year. If she wants to go for the full four years… it would take 12,598 hours. Of course, she couldn’t eat. Or pay rent, take the bus, buy shoes, or get her hair cut. At least she can go to the movies…

So she’s lucky in some ways. But so many workers do not enjoy her luck. In fact, the vast majority of low-wage workers do not match this “Poster Child” profile of the minimum wage worker.

Source: the Economic Policy Institute.
Indeed, the average age of low-wage workers is 35. A third have dependent children at home. In our (extremely fortunate)Congressional district, 34,000 working families are using food stamps, and 71,000 are living below the poverty line .

The Causes of Poverty

The experts: "it is a complex sociological and economical issue with many contributing factors."

Republicans: "They are lazy!"

Republicans are right, the experts just tow the pc police crap.

Why would the experts care about being PC but the republicans do not? Poverty is a complex issue. Whether or not you are smart enough to understand that doesn't change anything. Of course the experts will tell you laziness plays a role in poverty, they are just smart enough to point out it is far from the only cause. Republicans aren't. They are fucking stupid.

Tell me would republicans EVER criticize corporations? No. Obviously they should considering corporations are wealthier than they have ever been before while child poverty in this country is the worst out of any other developed nation on Earth. How about corporate crime? Most of it goes unprosecuted. Where is the republican outrage? It doesn't exist because they would lose their precious mega donors.

you're simply an angry loser. show me one Republican, here on this board, or on any other board; where a Repblican said laziness is the ONLY cause of poverty. What doesnt change anything is the phony sanctimonious rants of angry, smarmy, smug and butthurt left-wing nutjobs. Poverty has gotten worse on the Progressive watch, and not only that but the VERY RICHEST GOT RICHER. And with every PROGRESSIVE FAILURE despite your best intentions your frustration level grows, the projection of your own left-wing ineptitude manifests itself with cries that others are "fucking stupid". Your pathetic excuses on the Left are along the lines of how a bunch of "fucking stupid" right-wingers, in smaller numbers no less, managed to foil the best and brightest Progressive minds, and your caring and empathetic mindsets, your good intentions, your vision of Utopia, your "progress", your "change", your alleged enlightement, your high education, and all your best efforts.

you are simply a clown

On the progressive watch? Obama tried to raise the minimum wage but republicans blocked the attempt despite the fact that 600 economists signed a letter to congress in support of the measure. Tell me how else is a president going to convince these corporate goons to pay more? You people are against any government intervention on the market. These goons could pay more but they WONT. Obama has nothing to do with it.

 

[Billy000]

Here's an idea: get some education and training so you're not stuck at the bottom!
Gee, that wasnt hard.

You are so fucking dumb. Many people can't afford education and training and these higher wage jobs are extremely competitive since theater jobs of this wage largely outnumber higher wage jobs. This is an issue of population.

So what? the constitution does not guarantee every citizen financial security. What you achieve is up to you.

Life isn't fair----------------grow up and accept that reality.

You are such a tool. If you ever get laid off from your job and are forced into something of a lower wage, you would sing a very different tune. It's sad you cons lack such empathy otherwise.

 

[Billy000]

You won t believe how little 8.25 an hour buys Oxfam America First Person Blog
Disgusting that this is possible in the "richest country in the world"

Cleaning the movie theater is part of my daughter's duties. But does her job actually pay enough to live on? Photo: Mary Babic/Oxfam America
27Tweet

54Like

1+1

For my hard-working family and friends who earn just above the US minimum wage, a paycheck doesn’t go very far.

My daughter struck it lucky when she landed a job for $8.25 an hour at the local movie theater. They pay 25 cents more than the Massachusetts minimum wage (which is already 75 cents more than the federal wage); they don’t charge her for the monogrammed black polo shirt that constitutes her uniform (unlike some businesses); they let her know her hours a few days ahead; and they are, simply put, nice people: film nerds who enjoy keeping an independent theater alive, who don’t mind if she reads a book while sitting in the box office and waiting for the next rush.

Still, it’s a business. Her hours each week never mount up to the point where they’d be responsible for her healthcare (30 hours a week or more); her schedule varies widely; when it’s slow, they let her go (and it’s been a slow year for movies). And, to reiterate: they pay $8.25 an hour.

You can’t blame them; they’re generous at paying more than the legally required wage. But it is, even for my daughter, a measly wage. She lives at home, but she’s scraping together savings for college, living very simply, contributing to the household.

So what her earnings really translate to? I wondered, after seeing this helpful and harrowing piece on What Life Really Costs at $7.25 an Hour.

First, there’s transportation. After taxes, she brings home $7.62 an hour. Last week, after working for 27 hours (and commuting for about 8 hours), she got a check for $205.71. Just to get there and back: Slice the bus fare off the top (2.10 each way; 4.20 round trip; times four): 205.71 – 16.80 = 188.91.

A sandwich = one hour’s work. Some days, when her shift stretches longer than eight hours, she gets a plain chicken sandwich at the place next door: 7.43 (with tax). So she works a full hour to buy a sandwich. Without a drink.

A book = three hours. She loves books and music, and we visit the library every week. But sometimes she likes to buy the ones she loves the very most. Her favorite graphic novelist, Emily Carroll, just published a beautiful new book, Through the Woods. On Amazon, discounted, it’s $18.10. So she worked almost three hours to buy it.

Work shoes cost a day’s pay. We do most of our shopping at Goodwill, but every once in a while, she indulges. She really needed a good pair of shoes as she stands most of the time at work. She got a cheap pair of Nikes at around $50: Basically, a day’s pay.

And what about college tuition? Again, she got lucky: Smith College offered her a whopping scholarship, covering about half the cost. Which left her with a bill of (only) $24,000 for a year, not counting books, art supplies, etc.

So if she wants to cover one year of college – at this deeply discounted price – she’s going to work 3150 hours. Or 61 hours a week for a year. If she wants to go for the full four years… it would take 12,598 hours. Of course, she couldn’t eat. Or pay rent, take the bus, buy shoes, or get her hair cut. At least she can go to the movies…

So she’s lucky in some ways. But so many workers do not enjoy her luck. In fact, the vast majority of low-wage workers do not match this “Poster Child” profile of the minimum wage worker.

Source: the Economic Policy Institute.
Indeed, the average age of low-wage workers is 35. A third have dependent children at home. In our (extremely fortunate)Congressional district, 34,000 working families are using food stamps, and 71,000 are living below the poverty line .

YOu know what else is hard to believe? I started working on the books in 1977 for $2.30 an hour (the minimum wage then) and by 1980 I was making $9.......

I haven't had to survive on $8.25 an hour...because I have been worth more than that for nearly 4 decades.....

Lol do you have any concept of inflation? $9 in 1980 was very different than $9 now.

 

[M14 Shooter]

On the progressive watch? Obama tried to raise the minimum wage but republicans blocked the attempt despite the fact that 600 economists signed a letter to congress in support of the measure

Appeal to popularity much?

Tell me how else is a president going to convince these corporate goons to pay more?

It's not the President's responsibility to get your employer pay you more -- its yours.

 

[Billy000]

On the progressive watch? Obama tried to raise the minimum wage but republicans blocked the attempt despite the fact that 600 economists signed a letter to congress in support of the measure

Appeal to popularity much?

Tell me how else is a president going to convince these corporate goons to pay more?

It's not the President's responsibility to get your employer pay you more -- its yours.

You clearly don't understand what that fallacy means. Appealing to population refers to believing a popular concept despite overwhelming contradictory evidence. For example, many regular people may think a person only uses 20% of their brain despite a mountain of scientific evidence that says otherwise. Economists rely on proof and evidence while dumb repubs like you listen to your elected scumbags.

Oh right like that is supposed to work on a national scale for these corporations. You do know that if wages are low the entire country suffers right?

 

[BlackSand]

The people getting paid more benefit way more even if they are paying slightly higher prices on some things. These people are likely to spend all of their money so it isn't like the money just disappears.

It is funny when you pay someone enough they owe income tax and don't qualify for any assistance.
The look on their face when they finally figure out the disappearing money act ... Is Priceless.

.

 

[M14 Shooter]

On the progressive watch? Obama tried to raise the minimum wage but republicans blocked the attempt despite the fact that 600 economists signed a letter to congress in support of the measure

Appeal to popularity much?

Tell me how else is a president going to convince these corporate goons to pay more?

It's not the President's responsibility to get your employer pay you more -- its yours.

You clearly don't understand what that fallacy means. Appealing to population refers to believing a popular concept despite overwhelming contradictory evidence

Yawn.
Your claim regarding the 600 economists carrier no more support for your position than citing the opinion of 6 dentists regarding the efficacy of toothpaste.

Oh right like that is supposed to work on a national scale for these corporations.

No on is responsible for you but you -- if you cannot convince your employer you that you deserve more money, why do you thnk someone else has a responsibility to do so?

 

[depotoo]

The only one being held back is the one that allows themselves to stagnate and blames others, rather than taking action to change their own circumstances.

There are whiners and bleeding hearts, and then there are those that work hard, learn and make a better life for themselves and their families. These groups are largely mutually exclusive.

Which needs to be supported?

Billions live in poverty, many working 60+ hours a week to barely scrape by. Whiners?

Maybe this liberal can teach you something......

Bono Capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid The Beacon

Like I'd give a fuck what Bono says, capitalism doesn't bring people out of poverty, aid programs, technology, governments.. If you want to follow your line of thought, then Mao Zedong did an amazing job at improving people's lives.

 

[Billy000]

On the progressive watch? Obama tried to raise the minimum wage but republicans blocked the attempt despite the fact that 600 economists signed a letter to congress in support of the measure

Appeal to popularity much?

Tell me how else is a president going to convince these corporate goons to pay more?

It's not the President's responsibility to get your employer pay you more -- its yours.

You clearly don't understand what that fallacy means. Appealing to population refers to believing a popular concept despite overwhelming contradictory evidence

Yawn.
Your claim regarding the 600 economists carrier no more support for your position than citing the opinion of 6 dentists regarding the efficacy of toothpaste.

Oh right like that is supposed to work on a national scale for these corporations.

No on is responsible for you but you -- if you cannot convince your employer you that you deserve more money, why do you thnk someone else has a responsibility to do so?

Oh really? So I should trust scumbag republicans in office and ones like you over actual experts? 7 of those economists are Nobel prize winners. They are on the side of actual evidence you goon. You instead appeal to popular rightwing bullshit like Fox News. You have never even been to college obviously.

 

[M14 Shooter]

On the progressive watch? Obama tried to raise the minimum wage but republicans blocked the attempt despite the fact that 600 economists signed a letter to congress in support of the measure

Appeal to popularity much?

Tell me how else is a president going to convince these corporate goons to pay more?

It's not the President's responsibility to get your employer pay you more -- its yours.

You clearly don't understand what that fallacy means. Appealing to population refers to believing a popular concept despite overwhelming contradictory evidence

Yawn.
Your claim regarding the 600 economists carrier no more support for your position than citing the opinion of 6 dentists regarding the efficacy of toothpaste.

Oh right like that is supposed to work on a national scale for these corporations.

No on is responsible for you but you -- if you cannot convince your employer you that you deserve more money, why do you thnk someone else has a responsibility to do so?

Oh really? So I should trust scumbag republicans in office and ones like you over actual experts? 7 of those economists are Nobel prize winners. They are on the side of actual evidence you goon. You instead appeal to popular rightwing bullshit like Fox News. You have never even been to college obviously.

Sorry that you don't like the fact that your appeal to popularity nonsense is, well, nonsense -- but there's nothing I can do about that.

Now then -- rather than whining and crying to the federal government about getting you a raise, why don't you wipe the snot from your nose, the tears from your eyes, get off your self-entitled ass and show your employer you're worth more than $7.25//hr?

 

[Billy000]

On the progressive watch? Obama tried to raise the minimum wage but republicans blocked the attempt despite the fact that 600 economists signed a letter to congress in support of the measure

Appeal to popularity much?

Tell me how else is a president going to convince these corporate goons to pay more?

It's not the President's responsibility to get your employer pay you more -- its yours.

You clearly don't understand what that fallacy means. Appealing to population refers to believing a popular concept despite overwhelming contradictory evidence

Yawn.
Your claim regarding the 600 economists carrier no more support for your position than citing the opinion of 6 dentists regarding the efficacy of toothpaste.

Oh right like that is supposed to work on a national scale for these corporations.

No on is responsible for you but you -- if you cannot convince your employer you that you deserve more money, why do you thnk someone else has a responsibility to do so?

Oh really? So I should trust scumbag republicans in office and ones like you over actual experts? 7 of those economists are Nobel prize winners. They are on the side of actual evidence you goon. You instead appeal to popular rightwing bullshit like Fox News. You have never even been to college obviously.

Sorry that you don't like the fact that your appeal to popularity nonsense is, well, nonsense -- but there's nothing I can do about that.

Now then -- rather than whining and crying to the federal government about getting you a raise, why don't you wipe the snot from your nose, the tears from your eyes, get off your self-entitled ass and show your employer you're worth more than $7.25//hr?

What you people are too dumb to understand is that this isn't about individuals, it's about the economy itself. If wages are low, consumer spending is low. A lack of consumer spending destabilizes the economy. This will only lead to more economic crises.