BREAKING: The Supreme Court is Likely to Uphold Presidential Immunity for Donald Trump..

[struth]

BULLSHIT. He tried to threaten and bully Pence into committing treason and keekping him in power. And then he told the mob that Pence let them down and wouldn't help keep him in office.

Trump did a whole lot more than asking them to object. He asked them to overturn the election.

Hahah you wouldn’t have to lie if any of that where true

 

[IM2]

Hahah you wouldn’t have to lie if any of that where true

She's not lying.

 

[AHZ]

What am I desperate for idiot? I'm not on trial.

trumps Triumphant polling got you all skeered.

the American people see through Dem lies.

with the advent of the Clinton New Left the Dems were the new darling of big business and globalist traitorism/ military industrial complex dum-dummery.

 

[Dragonlady]

nope. it's called alternate electors.

it's never been a crime.

Please stop regurgitating Trump's lies. We've been hearing this bullshit since January 6th. Although I do note that they're no longer claiming that Anti-Fa and the liberals attacked the Capitol to make Trump look bad.

Everything you're posting has been thoroughly debunked by ANYONE with any legal experience whatsoever. The argument makes NO logical sense whatsoever, much less any legal sense.

Had there been any unresolved court cases with respect to any state's results going into January 6th, you might have a case for having alternate electors, in the event that the decision changes the outcome for that state, but all of Trump's cases had been dismissed long before the Electors' Certificates were submitted. The Texas Suit, which more than a dozen Republican state governors

no.

tariffs, border enforcement, and deconfliction are anti-globalist.

the global businesses will do just fine. supply side is mind warping isn't it? your only concern is for the poor multinationals....

I suppose you think Atlas Shrugged is a good book.

You're not asking for "border enforcement". Biden is doing "border enforcement" and you're going batshit crazy over it. You're asking for "closed borders". The old Soviet Union had "closed borders". Nobody got in or out.

Every time there were tours by ballet companies, or Olympic level athletes, there were "defections", even though these excursions were carefully controlled by "minders" and "KGB Chaperones", and families back home paid a price.

So unless you want to restrict Americans from travelling abroad or anyone from travelling to the USA, your borders will remain open, and it behoves you to update your immigration policies to reflect the current world realities of migration driven by political instability, wars, and climate change. And the numbers of people who cannot stay where they are and survive.

 

[IM2]

trumps Triumphant polling got you all skeered.

the American people see through Dem lies.

with the advent of the Clinton New Left the Dems were the new darling of big business and globalist traitorism/ military industrial complex dum-dummery.

The American people? Rasmussen polls do not reflect the American people and I'm not concerned with Trumps polling. Because if we are stpuid enough to put that asshole back in office we deserve what we get. I fear no man. Donald Trump can't do ---- to me. God says fear the one who can send your soul to hell, Donald Trump can't do that, so fuck him.

 

[AHZ]

The American people? Rasmussen polls do not reflect the American people and I'm not concerned with Trumps polling. Because if we are stpuid enough to put that asshole back in office we deserve what we get. I fear no man. Donald Trump can't do ---- to me. God says fear the one who can send your soul to hell, Donald Trump can't do that, so fuck him.

blah blah trumps winning.

 

[AHZ]

Please stop regurgitating Trump's lies. We've been hearing this bullshit since January 6th. Although I do note that they're no longer claiming that Anti-Fa and the liberals attacked the Capitol to make Trump look bad.

Everything you're posting has been thoroughly debunked by ANYONE with any legal experience whatsoever. The argument makes NO logical sense whatsoever, much less any legal sense.

Had there been any unresolved court cases with respect to any state's results going into January 6th, you might have a case for having alternate electors, in the event that the decision changes the outcome for that state, but all of Trump's cases had been dismissed long before the Electors' Certificates were submitted. The Texas Suit, which more than a dozen Republican state governors


You're not asking for "border enforcement". Biden is doing "border enforcement" and you're going batshit crazy over it. You're asking for "closed borders". The old Soviet Union had "closed borders". Nobody got in or out.

Every time there were tours by ballet companies, or Olympic level athletes, there were "defections", even though these excursions were carefully controlled by "minders" and "KGB Chaperones", and families back home paid a price.

So unless you want to restrict Americans from travelling abroad or anyone from travelling to the USA, your borders will remain open, and it behoves you to update your immigration policies to reflect the current world realities of migration driven by political instability, wars, and climate change. And the numbers of people who cannot stay where they are and survive.

Please get over yourelf, brainwashed and corrupt globalist imbecile.

you're not enlightened, you're just very dumb.

sending all the jobs away and becoming dependant upon geopolitical FOES is and will always be stupid.

you're a cosmopolitan narcissistic dolt.

 

[IM2]

blah blah trumps winning.

I can't tell. Looks like he's losing to me.

 

[IM2]

Please get over yourelf, brainwashed and corrupt globalist imbecile.

you're not enlightened, you're just very dumb.

sending all the jobs away and becoming dependant upon geopolitical FOES is and will always be stupid.

you're a cosmopolitan narcissistic dolt.

You are a fool.

 

[Dragonlady]

trumps Triumphant polling got you all skeered.

the American people see through Dem lies.

with the advent of the Clinton New Left the Dems were the new darling of big business and globalist traitorism/ military industrial complex dum-dummery.

Apparently, you're not looking at the current polls, and what the American people think about the way Trump is dealing with his trials.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/26/trump-trial-behavior-poll/

I also look at the fact that 15% of Republicans in Pennsylvania voted for Nicki Haley this week, in the Republicans only primary there, even though she dropped out of the race weeks ago. The exit polls that show that 30% of Republicans won't vote for Trump is he is convicted of a felony. And some others who say they like his policies but not the chaos or his wanting to go after Democrats.

They don't believe Trump is being persecuted at all, and are saying he's bringing this all on himself with the way he treats everyone involved.

 

[IM2]

Apparently, you're not looking at the current polls, and what the American people think about the way Trump is dealing with his trials.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/26/trump-trial-behavior-poll/

I also look at the fact that 15% of Republicans in Pennsylvania voted for Nicki Haley this week, in the Republicans only primary there, even though she dropped out of the race weeks ago. The exit polls that show that 30% of Republicans won't vote for Trump is he is convicted of a felony. And some others who say they like his policies but not the chaos or his wanting to go after Democrats.

They don't believe Trump is being persecuted at all, and are saying he's bringing this all on himself with the way he treats everyone involved.

These guys only read polls from their cherrypicked right wing sources.

 

[AHZ]

Apparently, you're not looking at the current polls, and what the American people think about the way Trump is dealing with his trials.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/26/trump-trial-behavior-poll/

I also look at the fact that 15% of Republicans in Pennsylvania voted for Nicki Haley this week, in the Republicans only primary there, even though she dropped out of the race weeks ago. The exit polls that show that 30% of Republicans won't vote for Trump is he is convicted of a felony. And some others who say they like his policies but not the chaos or his wanting to go after Democrats.

They don't believe Trump is being persecuted at all, and are saying he's bringing this all on himself with the way he treats everyone involved.

All those are fake news.

Trump is getting everybody.

your neolibertal psychotic globalist war regime is JUUUUST about over.

thanks for playing.

 

[AHZ]

You are a fool.

 

[IM2]

All those are fake news.

Trump is getting everybody.

your neolibertal psychotic globalist war regime is JUUUUST about over.

thanks for playing.

Trump is actually behind right now.

 

[IM2]

Nice selfie.

 

[AHZ]

Trump is actually behind right now.

that would be fake news.

 

[IM2]

that would be fake news.

Not really.

 

[AHZ]

Nice selfie.

I beez hansum.

 

[kyzr]

It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war

'The reality is that after two decades of NATO expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit … ' Illustration: Matt Kenyon
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Seumas Milne

The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain. It could be a threat to us all
Wed 30 Apr 2014 16.01 EDT

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The threat of war in Ukraine is growing. As the unelected government in Kiev declares itself unable to control the rebellion in the country's east, John Kerry brands Russia a rogue state. The US and the European Union step up sanctions against the Kremlin, accusing it of destabilising Ukraine. The White House is reported to be set on a new cold war policy with the aim of turning Russia into a "pariah state".
That might be more explicable if what is going on in eastern Ukraine now were not the mirror image of what took place in Kiev a couple of months ago. Then, it was armed protesters in Maidan Square seizing government buildings and demanding a change of government and constitution. US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk.

"America is with you," Senator John McCain told demonstrators then, standing shoulder to shoulder with the leader of the far-right Svoboda party as the US ambassador haggled with the state department over who would make up the new Ukrainian government.
When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.
Putin bit back, taking a leaf out of the US street-protest playbook – even though, as in Kiev, the protests that spread from Crimea to eastern Ukraine evidently have mass support. But what had been a glorious cry for freedom in Kiev became infiltration and insatiable aggression in Sevastopol and Luhansk.
After Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia, the bulk of the western media abandoned any hint of even-handed coverage. So Putin is now routinely compared to Hitler, while the role of the fascistic right on the streets and in the new Ukrainian regime has been airbrushed out of most reporting as Putinist propaganda.
So you don't hear much about the Ukrainian government's veneration of wartime Nazi collaborators and pogromists, or the arson attacks on the homes and offices of elected communist leaders, or the integration of the extreme Right Sector into the national guard, while the anti-semitism and white supremacism of the government's ultra-nationalists is assiduously played down, and false identifications of Russian special forces are relayed as fact.

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward NATO expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.
No Russian government could have acquiesced in such a threat from territory that was at the heart of both Russia and the Soviet Union. Putin's absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by Nato or the EU.
But the dangers are also multiplying. Ukraine has shown itself to be barely a functioning state: the former government was unable to clear Maidan, and the western-backed regime is "helpless" against the protests in the Soviet-nostalgic industrial east. For all the talk about the paramilitary "green men" (who turn out to be overwhelmingly Ukrainian), the rebellion also has strong social and democratic demands: who would argue against a referendum on autonomy and elected governors?
Meanwhile, the US and its European allies impose sanctions and dictate terms to Russia and its proteges in Kiev, encouraging the military crackdown on protesters after visits from Joe Biden and the CIA director, John Brennan. But by what right is the US involved at all, incorporating under its strategic umbrella a state that has never been a member of Nato, and whose last elected government came to power on a platform of explicit neutrality? It has none, of course – which is why the Ukraine crisis is seen in such a different light across most of the world. There may be few global takers for Putin's oligarchic conservatism and nationalism, but Russia's counterweight to US imperial expansion is welcomed, from China to Brazil.

In fact, one outcome of the crisis is likely to be a closer alliance between China and Russia, as the US continues its anti-Chinese "pivot" to Asia. And despite growing violence, the cost in lives of Russia's arms-length involvement in Ukraine has so far been minimal compared with any significant western intervention you care to think of for decades.
The risk of civil war is nevertheless growing, and with it the chances of outside powers being drawn into the conflict. Barack Obama has already sent token forces to eastern Europe and is under pressure, both from Republicans and Nato hawks such as Poland, to send many more. Both US and British troops are due to take part in Nato military exercises in Ukraine this summer.
The US and EU have already overplayed their hand in Ukraine. Neither Russia nor the western powers may want to intervene directly, and the Ukrainian prime minister's conjuring up of a third world war presumably isn't authorised by his Washington sponsors. But a century after 1914, the risk of unintended consequences should be obvious enough – as the threat of a return of big-power conflict grows. Pressure for a negotiated end to the crisis is essential.
Twitter @SeumasMiln

1. Your initial comment was that Russia and Ukraine had a peace deal in 2022 with the help of Turkey, and the US nixed it. We both agree that is total bullshit, correct?

2. From your post from 2014 (above) that:

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward NATO expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.

What is the "explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement"??? (red font)
Was that the Budapest Memorandum that Russia also signed?
Sounds like some agreement with the EU only, that failed, and led to the Maidan Revolution, and independence from Russia.
That led to Zelensky winning an election, who signed EU and IMF agreements? (inside baseball, no clue, no US involvement)

3. Not sure why you want to go back to 2014 to try to prove that "its not Russia that pushed Ukraine to the brink of war"?
Ukraine wanted to be independent of Russia. Russia wanted Ukraine to be a satellite under its control.

4. Instead of going back to 2014, here is a good article from 2020 that explains things better, and even answers my questions in #2:

Ukraine: Six years after the Maidan | Brookings

Six years after the Maidan Revolution, Ukraine has made some progress, but it will be critical for President Zelensky's government to complete the reform process, reduce corruption, and find a settlement for the conflict in Donbas to develop as a stronger and more resilient state.

www.brookings.edu

5. In summary, Russia invaded Ukraine Feb-2022, an independent democracy that wanted to join the EU economically, as a sovereign nation it has every right to do, even to join NATO if it so chooses.
The only person to blame for Russia invading Ukraine is Putin.

 

[AHZ]

dumstuff

we overthrew that government in 2014.

we're the aggressors.

please stop with your nonsense.