1 More Same-Sex/Gay Marriage Thread in the Politics Forum

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1 More Same-Sex/Gay Marriage Thread in the Politics Forum

Why not? What do you think about the politics of Same-Sex/Gay Marriage?

Should we have Civil Unions for same-sex couples and Marriage for opposite-sex couples? Should we have separate but equal?

Demand Pink Crow Laws Now!

 

[bodecea]

1 More Same-Sex/Gay Marriage Thread in the Politics Forum

Why not? What do you think about the politics of Same-Sex/Gay Marriage?

Thank you. It was sorely needed.

 

[sfcalifornia]

How about a GUNS and GAY MARRIAGE thread?

We haven't had one of those yet.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

How about a GUNS and GAY MARRIAGE thread?

We haven't had one of those yet.

This is a bout the politics of it all and I believe the politics of gay marriage cross over into the politics of gun control.

there! We spoke more about politics than many of the troll threads in the politics forum

Join us in demanding political thread be about politics.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

1 More Same-Sex/Gay Marriage Thread in the Politics Forum

Why not? What do you think about the politics of Same-Sex/Gay Marriage?

Thank you. It was sorely needed.

Smart politics is sorely needed. It starts with -- gulp -- politics

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

1 More Same-Sex/Gay Marriage Thread in the Politics Forum

Why not? What do you think about the politics of Same-Sex/Gay Marriage?

Should we have Civil Unions for same-sex couples and Marriage for opposite-sex couples? Should we have separate but equal?

Demand Pink Crow Laws Now!

Pink Crow Laws Now, Pink Crow Laws Tomorrow, Pink Crow Laws Forever!

 

[Yurt]

dante's self pic

 

[BreezeWood]

plural marriage, polygamy will be next - multi sex, multi partner or muti partner same sex ... a solid solution for overpopulation.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

plural marriage, polygamy will be next - multi sex, multi partner or muti partner same sex ... a solid solution for overpopulation.

Straw Man argument

An argument similar to reductio ad absurdum often seen in polemical debate is the straw man logical fallacy. A straw man argument attempts to refute a given proposition by showing that a slightly different or inaccurate form of the proposition (the "straw man") is absurd or ridiculous, relying on the audience not to notice that the argument does not actually apply to the original proposition. For example:

Politician A: "We should not serve schoolchildren sugary desserts with lunch and further worsen the obesity epidemic by doing so."
Politician B: "What, do you want our children to starve?"

 

[Yurt]

plural marriage, polygamy will be next - multi sex, multi partner or muti partner same sex ... a solid solution for overpopulation.

Straw Man argument

An argument similar to reductio ad absurdum often seen in polemical debate is the straw man logical fallacy. A straw man argument attempts to refute a given proposition by showing that a slightly different or inaccurate form of the proposition (the "straw man") is absurd or ridiculous, relying on the audience not to notice that the argument does not actually apply to the original proposition. For example:

Politician A: "We should not serve schoolchildren sugary desserts with lunch and further worsen the obesity epidemic by doing so."
Politician B: "What, do you want our children to starve?"

you're an idiot. he did not present a straw man argument. he never claimed anyone said polygamy would be next. he made that statement, thus, it was not a straw man. at best you could say it is the slippery slope argument.

it actually is a good point.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

plural marriage, polygamy will be next - multi sex, multi partner or muti partner same sex ... a solid solution for overpopulation.

Straw Man argument

An argument similar to reductio ad absurdum often seen in polemical debate is the straw man logical fallacy. A straw man argument attempts to refute a given proposition by showing that a slightly different or inaccurate form of the proposition (the "straw man") is absurd or ridiculous, relying on the audience not to notice that the argument does not actually apply to the original proposition. For example:

Politician A: "We should not serve schoolchildren sugary desserts with lunch and further worsen the obesity epidemic by doing so."
Politician B: "What, do you want our children to starve?"

you're an idiot. he did present a straw man argument. he never claimed anyone said polygamy would be next. he made that statement, thus, it was not a straw man. at best you could say it is the slippery slope argument.

it actually is a good point.

"polygamy will be next"

When a discussion is about same-sex marriages? You do not comprehend as much as you imagine you do.

 

[Yurt]

Straw Man argument

An argument similar to reductio ad absurdum often seen in polemical debate is the straw man logical fallacy. A straw man argument attempts to refute a given proposition by showing that a slightly different or inaccurate form of the proposition (the "straw man") is absurd or ridiculous, relying on the audience not to notice that the argument does not actually apply to the original proposition. For example:

Politician A: "We should not serve schoolchildren sugary desserts with lunch and further worsen the obesity epidemic by doing so."
Politician B: "What, do you want our children to starve?"

you're an idiot. he did present a straw man argument. he never claimed anyone said polygamy would be next. he made that statement, thus, it was not a straw man. at best you could say it is the slippery slope argument.

it actually is a good point.

"polygamy will be next"

When a discussion is about same-sex marriages? You do not comprehend as much as you imagine you do.

again, that is not a straw man, it is a slippery slope argument. just admit you screwed up and move on.

Slippery Slope Fallacy (Camel's Nose)
there is an old saying about how if you allow a camel to poke his nose into the tent, soon the whole camel will follow.

The fallacy here is the assumption that something is wrong because it is right next to something that is wrong. Or, it is wrong because it could slide towards something that is wrong.

For example, "Allowing abortion in the first week of pregnancy would lead to allowing it in the ninth month." Or, "If we legalize marijuana, then more people will try heroin." Or, "If I make an exception for you then I'll have to make an exception for everyone."

vs

Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension):
attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position.
For example, the claim that "evolution means a dog giving birth to a cat."

Another example: "Senator Jones says that we should not fund the attack submarine program. I disagree entirely. I can't understand why he wants to leave us defenseless like that."

On the Internet, it is common to exaggerate the opponent's position so that a comparison can be made between the opponent and Hitler.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#straw

do you now see the difference?

 

[Rocko]

plural marriage, polygamy will be next - multi sex, multi partner or muti partner same sex ... a solid solution for overpopulation.

Straw Man argument

An argument similar to reductio ad absurdum often seen in polemical debate is the straw man logical fallacy. A straw man argument attempts to refute a given proposition by showing that a slightly different or inaccurate form of the proposition (the "straw man") is absurd or ridiculous, relying on the audience not to notice that the argument does not actually apply to the original proposition. For example:

Politician A: "We should not serve schoolchildren sugary desserts with lunch and further worsen the obesity epidemic by doing so."
Politician B: "What, do you want our children to starve?"

you're an idiot. he did present a straw man argument. he never claimed anyone said polygamy would be next. he made that statement, thus, it was not a straw man. at best you could say it is the slippery slope argument.

it actually is a good point.

Rep coming your way !

 

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Politician A: "We should not serve schoolchildren sugary desserts with lunch and further worsen the obesity epidemic by doing so."
Politician B: "What, do you want our children to starve?"

A) Same-Sex/Gay Marriage: "Should we have Civil Unions for same-sex couples and Marriage for opposite-sex couples? Should we have separate but equal?"

B) polygamy will be next

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Using a straw man argument in conjunction with other logical fallacies such as a slippery slope argument does not negate anything. Framing the argument as 'allowing same-sex marriages will open the door to polygamy' (slippery slope), Except:

Gay Marriages exist and Polygamy has already been ruled on in America (We fought that battle). The purpose some people have in introducing polygamy into a discussion about same-sex marriages is to do what straw man arguments are meant to do: knock down the arguments that same-sex marriages are about equality between two consenting adults of the same sex.

The two consenting adults argument is about equality or separate but equal. Introducing polygamy re-frames the debate so one side can be easily knocked down as absurd: Introducing an absurdity to make the whole argument appear absurd.

In the context I framed the conversation, introducing polygamy, child brides/grooms, and immediate family into the discussion is the use of a straw man

 

[kaz]

1 More Same-Sex/Gay Marriage Thread in the Politics Forum

Why not? What do you think about the politics of Same-Sex/Gay Marriage?

Should we have Civil Unions for same-sex couples and Marriage for opposite-sex couples? Should we have separate but equal?

Demand Pink Crow Laws Now!

This is so gay...

 

[Yurt]

dante, dante, dante....

polygamy exists

you just screwed your own argument up, again.

i can't believe you still think a slippery slope argument is the same thing as a straw man.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

you're an idiot. he did present a straw man argument. he never claimed anyone said polygamy would be next. he made that statement, thus, it was not a straw man. at best you could say it is the slippery slope argument.

it actually is a good point.

Rep coming your way !

plural marriage, polygamy will be next - multi sex, multi partner or muti partner same sex ... a solid solution for overpopulation.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

dante, dante, dante....

polygamy exists

you just screwed your own argument up, again.

i can't believe you still think a slippery slope argument is the same thing as a straw man.

incests exists too. Polygamy is illegal and the conversation and legal battles are about the legality of same-sex marriage, and whether the state will recognize same-sex marriages, not whether same-sex marriages exist. Gays have been getting married in religious ceremonies since the 1970s as far as I know.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

1 More Same-Sex/Gay Marriage Thread in the Politics Forum

Why not? What do you think about the politics of Same-Sex/Gay Marriage?

Should we have Civil Unions for same-sex couples and Marriage for opposite-sex couples? Should we have separate but equal?

Demand Pink Crow Laws Now!

This is so gay...

Light another Fairy Up for Captain Obvious!

 

[Michelle420]

1 More Same-Sex/Gay Marriage Thread in the Politics Forum

Why not? What do you think about the politics of Same-Sex/Gay Marriage?

Should we have Civil Unions for same-sex couples and Marriage for opposite-sex couples? Should we have separate but equal?

Demand Pink Crow Laws Now!

Dante, I'm really drunk now I don't know if the local liquor store can take all these threads