151 years ago today: Democrats founded and staffed the Ku Klux Klan

[Pogo]

I don't know too much about the origins of the KKK, but wasn't it started by those that avoided the conflict in response to the GOP's reconstruction plan? Like those that lost out to the carpet bagger's?

Yes, it was founded just after the war ended. Union reconstruction lasted a number of years. During this time, the South was ruled by the military and elected officials many of which were uneducated blacks, carpetbaggers, and criminals. Many of the white leaders in the communities were not allowed to hold office. In some areas whites were not allowed to vote. This of course didn't sit well with white southerns and violence broke out in many places. The KKK became the law in many towns in the South. Other similar organizations arose such as the Knights of the White Camellia. In some places these organizations maintained law and order and were respected by the local community. However, they rapidly became tyrannical force in the South whose purpose was controlling and punishing blacks for misdeeds, both real and imaginary.

Accurate read --- ironically beating the same "noble" sentiment-drums of "looking out for the white race" that the far-right fringe Rumpbots (such as the clown in my sigline) keep beating today. Yet they want to disown their own fellow travellers.

Aside from freed blacks and "carpetbaggers" --- opportunists venturing down from the North to take economic advantage of a land laid to ruins --- another Klan target not mentioned were the "scalawags" --- which means poor white (native) Southerners who were cooperating and/or facilitating what was perceived as the heavy hand of government effecting the radical cultural and economic changes of Reconstruction .... in other words the working class element perceived as "scabs" subverting (or enabling the subversion of) the rich established planter class. The element that had ruled as the Southern aristocracy right up to 1861.

Again, that is in unquestionable terms resistance to change, even inevitable change, in favor of preservation of the old and established ----- which is Conservatism. In this case conservatism to an illegal and often outrageous degree.

When Liberalism founded this country it did so in opposition to the aristocracy-and-class-based system of authority. Here's the Klan trying to preserve it. That alone should put to rest this cockamamie Doublethink idea that there was anything in the slightest "Liberal" or "leftist" about the Ku Klux Fucking Klan.

 

[Pogo]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!

It's a symbol of the Democratic Party, then. I'll agree.

Another of the historically challenged heard from!

Yes, we have heard from you, but you're a member here, so what can we do?

Oh, I know; how about a short history lesson. Democrats led the secession movements and formed the Confederate States of America.

Kapish? Democrats were, as you say, the TRAITORS. Again, Democrats. That's Democrats, with a D.

Really. So you completely ignored my prior post pointing out that the South completely rejected the Democrats in 1860 giving them Zero electoral votes. And that the Dem candidate Stephen Douglas upon losing that election immediately called for and worked for the country to unite behind the duly elected new President.

Some of us acquire knowledge of history from history books; others just use a cherrypicker. Must be convenient.

 

[Pogo]

The KKK was founded 151 years ago by Southern white Confederate veteran men.

Who were Democrats

Nope. Once AGAIN ----- (a) there's zero evidence they had any party affiliation OR activity, (b) the South was disenfranchised under military occupation anyway; and (c) although it continues to fail to penetrate the insidiously impermeable crania of the Partisan Hack Union of Cherrypicking Klowns (PHUCK), NOT EVERY HUMAN BEING AUTOMATICALLY BELONGS TO A FUCKING POLITICAL PARTY IN THE FIRST PLACE, DUMBASS.

PROVE ME WRONG on ANY of the above.

Where the fuck do you get the idea you can create history retroactively by posting something on a message board?

Where?

Some of whom might have been Democrats.

As Pogo Stick has pointed out many times, there were no Republicans in the South, only Democrats were in control...

Nope. See (c) just above and as I've also pointed out ---- Democrats got exactly ZERO votes out of the South in the election leading up to the Civil War. Their own breakaway candidate Breckinridge took most of it, and what he didn't get was taken by the Constitutional Union Party --- including Tennessee where the Klan was founded, by Tennesseans.

Do you blame all white men for the KKK?

No do you?

Do you blame all Southerners for the KKK?

No do you?

Do you blame all descendants of Confederate soldiers for the KKK?

No again, but I do blame all Democrats...

Having it both ways: Priceless.

McCord, Kennedy, Jones, Reed, Lester and Crowe were known men. You don't blame all men.
McCord, Kennedy, Jones, Reed, Lester and Crowe were known ex-soldiers. You don't blame all ex-soldiers.
McCord, Kennedy, Jones, Reed, Lester and Crowe were by tradition Christians. You don't blame all Christians.
McCord, Kennedy, Jones, Reed, Lester and Crowe were all by their own description "Scotch-Irish". You don't blame all "Scotch-Irish".
On the other hand McCord, Kennedy, Jones, Reed, Lester and Crowe had no known political party. So you cherrypicked one and blamed all of them.

For forming a social club.

 

[Syriusly]

I find it interesting in that the Dem's lost their plantations and yet reestablished them in the inner cities across the country, and yet wash their hands of any historical connection to the KKK.

I find it interesting that old white GOP dudes are trying to convince African Americans that they are living in plantations.

And that the GOP is the party of the African Americans even though President Reagan, President Bush and the 1964 GOP candidate for President all opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

 

[Syriusly]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!

It's a symbol of the Democratic Party, then. I'll agree.

Another of the historically challenged heard from!

Yes, we have heard from you, but you're a member here, so what can we do?

Oh, I know; how about a short history lesson. Democrats led the secession movements and formed the Confederate States of America.

Kapish? Democrats were, as you say, the TRAITORS. Again, Democrats. That's Democrats, with a D.

Who led the secession movements and formed the Confederate States of America.

• White males
• Christians
• Southerners

Kapish? (lol) By your 'rational' that means that all white males, all Christians, all Southerners- were all traitors.

Meanwhile- to help you with your ignorance- there was a whole faction of Democrats in the North who were opposed secession. Lincoln even chose one of them as his Vice President.

War Democrats in American politics of the 1860s were members of the Democratic Party who rejected the Copperheads/Peace Democrats who controlled the party. The War Democrats demanded a more aggressive policy toward the Confederacy and supported the policies of Republican President Abraham Lincoln when the Civil War broke out a few months after his win in the 1860 presidential election.[1]

1864 presidential campaign
Recognizing the importance of the War Democrats, the Republican Party changed its name for the national ticket in the 1864 presidential election, held during the Civil War. The National Union Party nominated the incumbent president and "former" Republican Lincoln for president and former War Democrat Andrew Johnson for vice president.

 

[Syriusly]

Democrats have always supported racism. From their founding of the KKK,.

The KKK was founded by:

• White males
• Christians
• Southerners
• Confederate Veterans

By your 'rational' that means that all white males, all Christians, all Southerners and all descendants of the Confederacy are racists.

You do condemn the Confederate States- and consider every Confederate soldier to be a racist- right?

Democrats even....

You just can't condemn the founders of the KKK can you?

The KKK was founded by:

• White males
• Christians
• Southerners
• Confederate Veterans

By your 'rational' that means that all white males, all Christians, all Southerners and all descendants of the Confederacy are racists.

You do condemn the Confederate States- and consider every Confederate soldier to be a racist- right?

 

[Syriusly]

On Dec. 24, 1865, Democrats in the American South formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of keeing uppity blacks in their place. They attacked the blacks, and any white Republicans who defended or support them, lynching and killing them when possible. Democrat support for, and membership in, the KKK continues to this day, with theDemocrat attacking, insulting, and pillorying blacks who dared to espouse viewpoints the Democrats disagree with.

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KKK founded - Dec 24, 1865 - HISTORY.com

151 years ago KKK founded
December 24, 2016

In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.

Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans and white Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests.

All of this because a big bad Republican wanted to end slavery, funny thing that is.

Democrats created the kkk to lynch us for freeing their salves.....it's scarey they are even tolerated in this day and age.....

Christians created the KKK to lynch us for freeing their slaves. Its scary that they are even tolerated in this day and age.....

Southerners created the KKK to lynch us for freeing their slaves. Its scary that they are even tolerated in this day and age.....

White males created the KKK to lynch us for freeing their slaves. Its scary that they are even tolerated in this day and age.....

 

[norwegen]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!

It's a symbol of the Democratic Party, then. I'll agree.

Another of the historically challenged heard from!

Yes, we have heard from you, but you're a member here, so what can we do?

Oh, I know; how about a short history lesson. Democrats led the secession movements and formed the Confederate States of America.

Kapish? Democrats were, as you say, the TRAITORS. Again, Democrats. That's Democrats, with a D.

Really. So you completely ignored my prior post pointing out that the South completely rejected the Democrats in 1860 giving them Zero electoral votes. And that the Dem candidate Stephen Douglas upon losing that election immediately called for and worked for the country to unite behind the duly elected new President.

Some of us acquire knowledge of history from history books; others just use a cherrypicker. Must be convenient.

Yes, I completely ignored your prior post. This one, too.

Well, not this one completely.

 

[Syriusly]

On Dec. 24, 1865, Democrats in the American South formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of keeing uppity blacks in their place. They attacked the blacks, and any white Republicans who defended or support them, lynching and killing them when possible. Democrat support for, and membership in, the KKK continues to this day, with theDemocrat attacking, insulting, and pillorying blacks who dared to espouse viewpoints the Democrats disagree with.

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KKK founded - Dec 24, 1865 - HISTORY.com

151 years ago KKK founded
December 24, 2016

In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.

Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans and white Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests.

All of this because a big bad Republican wanted to end slavery...

Who?

Here you are AGAIN. Abraham Lincoln, the the civil war, and the "Emancipation proclamation", don't be stupid. The Grammar Nazi doesn't know history or what?

Lincoln didn't "want" to end slavery, and the Emancipation Proclamation did not.

Correction

Lincoln was firmly opposed to slavery- but he was not an 'abolitionist' - Lincoln was opposed to the expansion of slavery into new territories. Lincoln however was willing to accept slavery to keep the union intact. By the time of the Emancipation Proclamation Lincoln had decided that ending slavery would help preserve the Union- which is why he issued the Emancipation Proclamation and Lincoln supported the 13th Amendment

Thirteenth Amendment - mrlincolnandfreedom.org

 

[Syriusly]

On Dec. 24, 1865, Democrats in the American South formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of keeing uppity blacks in their place. They attacked the blacks, and any white Republicans who defended or support them, lynching and killing them when possible. Democrat support for, and membership in, the KKK continues to this day, with theDemocrat attacking, insulting, and pillorying blacks who dared to espouse viewpoints the Democrats disagree with.
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They still keep the blacks down with drugs and gangs and random violence.
.

Another old white guy telling African Americans that he is smarter than they are.

 

[Syriusly]

The KKK was started by former soldiers of the Confederacy,

which is the single most important reason you see so many conservatives so vigorously defend the display of the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate veterans were sanctioned by law and protected and HONORED as AMERICAN veterans now, .

And they started the KKK.

Only a blazingly partisan hypocrite would blame the current Democratic Party for the founding of the KKK and ignore that the KKK was founded by Confederate Veterans.

Oh wait- that would be you.

 

[Syriusly]

[Q

Do you blame all descendants of Confederate soldiers for the KKK?

No again, but I do blame all Democrats...

I understand why Democrats are in denial of this, what's so very sad is why Blacks can't see through it...

I understand that you are a partisan hypocrite who wants to blame the current Democrat Party for actions by Christian Southern white male Confederate war veterans. And with a hand wave dismisses all of that- but blames Democrats.

And i understand that you are just another old white dude who thinks he is smarter and more perceptive than African Americans.

what's so very sad is why Blacks can't see through it..

 

[Syriusly]

[, you don't seem to understand the South Seceded for one reason, to protect their right to own slaves.....

You don't seem to have any reading comprehension.

I have pointed out in this very thread that the Confederate States did exactly that- seceded to protect slavery. I have posted and cited South Carolina's articles and causes of secession.

Before you lie about me, perhaps you should read some of my posts so you don't.

You want to stomp your feet and blame Democrats for secession and slavery- while absolving Christians and Southerners and white males- all of which as honestly describe the persons behind the secession.

Oh and of course you blame African Americans for not being as smart as you are.

 

[Unkotare]

On Dec. 24, 1865, Democrats in the American South formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of keeing uppity blacks in their place. They attacked the blacks, and any white Republicans who defended or support them, lynching and killing them when possible. Democrat support for, and membership in, the KKK continues to this day, with theDemocrat attacking, insulting, and pillorying blacks who dared to espouse viewpoints the Democrats disagree with.

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KKK founded - Dec 24, 1865 - HISTORY.com

151 years ago KKK founded
December 24, 2016

In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.

Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans and white Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests.

All of this because a big bad Republican wanted to end slavery...

Who?

Here you are AGAIN. Abraham Lincoln, the the civil war, and the "Emancipation proclamation", don't be stupid. The Grammar Nazi doesn't know history or what?

Lincoln didn't "want" to end slavery, and the Emancipation Proclamation did not.

Correction

Lincoln was firmly opposed to slavery- ...

You have a rather loose understanding of "firmly."

 

[Syriusly]

All of this because a big bad Republican wanted to end slavery...

Who?

Here you are AGAIN. Abraham Lincoln, the the civil war, and the "Emancipation proclamation", don't be stupid. The Grammar Nazi doesn't know history or what?

Lincoln didn't "want" to end slavery, and the Emancipation Proclamation did not.

Correction

Lincoln was firmly opposed to slavery- ...

You have a rather loose understanding of "firmly."

I have a firm grasp of Lincoln's history.

You don't.

 

[Unkotare]

Who?

Here you are AGAIN. Abraham Lincoln, the the civil war, and the "Emancipation proclamation", don't be stupid. The Grammar Nazi doesn't know history or what?

Lincoln didn't "want" to end slavery, and the Emancipation Proclamation did not.

Correction

Lincoln was firmly opposed to slavery- ...

You have a rather loose understanding of "firmly."

I have a firm grasp of Lincoln's history.

You don't.

Wrong again.

 

[Flopper]

I don't know too much about the origins of the KKK, but wasn't it started by those that avoided the conflict in response to the GOP's reconstruction plan? Like those that lost out to the carpet bagger's?

Yes, it was founded just after the war ended. Union reconstruction lasted a number of years. During this time, the South was ruled by the military and elected officials many of which were uneducated blacks, carpetbaggers, and criminals. Many of the white leaders in the communities were not allowed to hold office. In some areas whites were not allowed to vote. This of course didn't sit well with white southerns and violence broke out in many places. The KKK became the law in many towns in the South. Other similar organizations arose such as the Knights of the White Camellia. In some places these organizations maintained law and order and were respected by the local community. However, they rapidly became tyrannical force in the South whose purpose was controlling and punishing blacks for misdeeds, both real and imaginary.

Accurate read --- ironically beating the same "noble" sentiment-drums of "looking out for the white race" that the far-right fringe Rumpbots (such as the clown in my sigline) keep beating today. Yet they want to disown their own fellow travellers.

Aside from freed blacks and "carpetbaggers" --- opportunists venturing down from the North to take economic advantage of a land laid to ruins --- another Klan target not mentioned were the "scalawags" --- which means poor white (native) Southerners who were cooperating and/or facilitating what was perceived as the heavy hand of government effecting the radical cultural and economic changes of Reconstruction .... in other words the working class element perceived as "scabs" subverting (or enabling the subversion of) the rich established planter class. The element that had ruled as the Southern aristocracy right up to 1861.

Again, that is in unquestionable terms resistance to change, even inevitable change, in favor of preservation of the old and established ----- which is Conservatism. In this case conservatism to an illegal and often outrageous degree.

When Liberalism founded this country it did so in opposition to the aristocracy-and-class-based system of authority. Here's the Klan trying to preserve it. That alone should put to rest this cockamamie Doublethink idea that there was anything in the slightest "Liberal" or "leftist" about the Ku Klux Fucking Klan which empowered the President to suspend the writ of habeas corpus writ ofto combat the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) and other white supremacy

I don't know too much about the origins of the KKK, but wasn't it started by those that avoided the conflict in response to the GOP's reconstruction plan? Like those that lost out to the carpet bagger's?

Yes, it was founded just after the war ended. Union reconstruction lasted a number of years. During this time, the South was ruled by the military and elected officials many of which were uneducated blacks, carpetbaggers, and criminals. Many of the white leaders in the communities were not allowed to hold office. In some areas whites were not allowed to vote. This of course didn't sit well with white southerns and violence broke out in many places. The KKK became the law in many towns in the South. Other similar organizations arose such as the Knights of the White Camellia. In some places these organizations maintained law and order and were respected by the local community. However, they rapidly became tyrannical force in the South whose purpose was controlling and punishing blacks for misdeeds, both real and imaginary.

Accurate read --- ironically beating the same "noble" sentiment-drums of "looking out for the white race" that the far-right fringe Rumpbots (such as the clown in my sigline) keep beating today. Yet they want to disown their own fellow travellers.

Aside from freed blacks and "carpetbaggers" --- opportunists venturing down from the North to take economic advantage of a land laid to ruins --- another Klan target not mentioned were the "scalawags" --- which means poor white (native) Southerners who were cooperating and/or facilitating what was perceived as the heavy hand of government effecting the radical cultural and economic changes of Reconstruction .... in other words the working class element perceived as "scabs" subverting (or enabling the subversion of) the rich established planter class. The element that had ruled as the Southern aristocracy right up to 1861.

Again, that is in unquestionable terms resistance to change, even inevitable change, in favor of preservation of the old and established ----- which is Conservatism. In this case conservatism to an illegal and often outrageous degree.

When Liberalism founded this country it did so in opposition to the aristocracy-and-class-based system of authority. Here's the Klan trying to preserve it. That alone should put to rest this cockamamie Doublethink idea that there was anything in the slightest "Liberal" or "leftist" about the Ku Klux Fucking Klan.

By 1871, violence in the South and activities of the Klan and other similar groups had become so wide spread that Grant asked for and got the passage of the Enforcement Act of 1871, also know as the Ku Klux Klan Third Enforcement Act. Grant did not hesitate to use this authority on numerous occasions during his presidency, and as a result the first era KKK was completely dismantled and did not resurface in any meaningful way until the first part of the 20th century.

Second Enforcement Act of 1871 - Wikipedia

Another interesting piece of history is the Colfax Massacre in 1873 following the election of the first black US governor, Pinckney Pinchback. For much of the South, reconstruction was as painful as the war.
Colfax massacre - Wikipedia

 

[Syriusly]

Here you are AGAIN. Abraham Lincoln, the the civil war, and the "Emancipation proclamation", don't be stupid. The Grammar Nazi doesn't know history or what?

Lincoln didn't "want" to end slavery, and the Emancipation Proclamation did not.

Correction

Lincoln was firmly opposed to slavery- ...

You have a rather loose understanding of "firmly."

I have a firm grasp of Lincoln's history.

You don't.

Wrong again.

Yet you demonstrate otherwise with every post.

 

[Unkotare]

Lincoln didn't "want" to end slavery, and the Emancipation Proclamation did not.

Correction

Lincoln was firmly opposed to slavery- ...

You have a rather loose understanding of "firmly."

I have a firm grasp of Lincoln's history.

You don't.

Wrong again.

Yet you demonstrate otherwise with every post.

Wrong again.

 

[Dr Grump]

You are ignorant of history.

Which part am I ignorant about?