151 years ago today: Democrats founded and staffed the Ku Klux Klan

[oreo]

Your're right, they now have moved over to the Republican party.

They have decided to bring back the bigotry by electing Comrade Trump. David Duke and several other white hate groups endorsed Donald Trump.
David Duke: Voting against Trump is 'treason to your heritage'

 

[Syriusly]

Fair Housing Act 1968
Dems yay 42 nay 17
Reps yay 29 nay 3

Yep Fair Housing Act 1968- proposed by Lyndon B. Johnson- passed by Democrats- and opposed by Ronald Reagan.

Second, he opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. When he was running for governor of California in 1966, Reagan assailed the Fair Housing Act, saying, "If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so."

Nostalgia for Reagan distorts his policies against blacks | The Progressive

Thanks for the reminder.

 

[Syriusly]

Well, closer than you want to portray it, and almost double the percentage of Reps.

Almost half of the dems in the senate...

I've mentioned that more than once. And I do every month when these tards start this same old topic.

however the Rs have backed and supported equal rights since the beginning.....not for political expediency like the Ds.......

Really?

Who opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

Barry Goldwater- the 1964 Republican Presidential candidate
Ronald Reagan- Republican President.
George Bush- Republican President.

Almost half of the dems in the senate...
Not even close- 2/3's of the Democratic Senators voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
But thanks for showing how much you will dance to avoid dealing with the big GOP pivot- from being for Civil Rights- to nominating Presidential candidates- Goldwater, Reagan, Bush- who were against them.

The Senate version:[21]

• Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
• Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

Well, closer than you want to portray it, and almost double the percentage of Reps.
How did I portray it? Feel free to quote me.

Meanwhile you falsely claimed that almost half of the Democratic Senate voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Action.

That is all on you- the only question is why did you make that claim knowing it to be false?

 

[Syriusly]

A greater percentage of Republicans, in both the House and Senate, voted for the Civil Rights Act, than the percentage of Democrats.

House Democrats: 152-–96 (61%-39%)
House Republicans: 138–-34 (80%–20%)

Senate Democrats: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Senate Republicans: 27-6 (82%-18%)

Even though Democrats were in the majority in both houses, they would not have been able to pass it at all, unless such large majorities of Republicans also voted to pass. Fortunately the Republicans came through and saved the bill from the defeat Democrats alone would have given it.

Democrats proposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
A majority of Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
A Democrat signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act into law.

Who opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
The GOP Presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.
President Ronald Reagan
President George Bush.

 

[Syriusly]

Democrats have always supported racism. From their founding of the KKK,.

The KKK was founded by:

• White males
• Christians
• Southerners
• Confederate Veterans

By your 'rational' that means that all white males, all Christians, all Southerners and all descendants of the Confederacy are racists.

You do condemn the Confederate States- and consider every Confederate soldier to be a racist- right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The KKK was started by former soldiers of the Confederacy,

which is the single most important reason you see so many conservatives so vigorously defend the display of the Confederate Flag.

Wrong again.....it may have been founded by confederates, but it has members in every state

Is this where you tell us of your condemnation of the display of the Confederate flag?

lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let me explain something to you people:

If this were 1956, every RW'er on this board who lives south of the Mason-Dixon line would be a Democrat

 

[Pogo]

The KKK was started by former soldiers of the Confederacy,

which is the single most important reason you see so many conservatives so vigorously defend the display of the Confederate Flag.

Wrong again.....it may have been founded by confederates, but it has members in every state

Historical clarification here.

The original Klan of 1865 --- the one founded by ex-Confederate soldiers --- spread only into the Confederacy, basically between Texas and the Carolinas. It didn't go north or west of there.

Th revival Klan of 1915 --- the much bigger one founded by a Georgia opportunist --- spread nationally from coast to coast, from California and the Pacific Northwest all the way to Maine. Particularly after that opportunist hired a PR team (since his objective was to make money through exploiting prejudice).

 

[norwegen]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!

It's a symbol of the Democratic Party, then. I'll agree.

 

[Syriusly]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!

It's a symbol of the Democratic Party, then. I'll agree.

No wonder why Trump supporters were waving the Stars and Bars at Trump rallies.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!

It's a symbol of the Democratic Party, then. I'll agree.

Another of the historically challenged heard from!

 

[Unkotare]

at guilt-ridden democrats ^^^^^ in tantrum mode (again!) trying to deny ownership of THEIR KKK.

Link?






----- Exactly. You ain't got one.

Haven't you read page 442 of Prentice Hall, "America, Pathways to Present"?

Of course he hasn't.

 

[Pogo]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!

It's a symbol of the Democratic Party, then. I'll agree.

Whelp ---- considering the Democratic POTUS candidate pulled exactly zero votes from the South in 1860, it might be amusing to try to make that case.

 

[Flopper]

You must be missing the part where they weren't conservatives, but Democrats that were keeping slaves. Hence your party being the one that filled the KKK and passed the Jim Crow laws~

The South has always been conservative throughout. You can't have slaves and not be conservative. It demands a hierarchical view of humans. You're perhaps too young to have seen enough of the world to know this but trust me. I grew up a child of parents from each side of the Mason Dixon line. I was immersed in both from an early age. White Southerners, while as a group conservatives, weren't Democrats because they were conservative but in spite of it. To get this you have to grasp something of the emotional history.

When the Civil War began there was no Republican Party in the South. Lincoln's name didn't even appear on ballots there in either election he ran in. The party was only six years old and concentrated its efforts in the North and Midwest, where it knew its support would be. Consequently in 1861 there were no Republicans in the South.

When the War was over the Republicans were seen culturally as the heavy hand of federal gummint (they were after all largely Whigs) and most deeply as the "party of Lincoln", the man who had defeated and humiliated it. Consequently it became unthinkable for white Southerners, who very much saw themselves as playing defense, to be a Republican, for a long long time. 99 years to be exact. As a result of that, the South was in effect a one-party State. You wanted to run for office, your choices were: (1) run as a Democrat, or (2) lose. That had to do much more with tradition than with any ideology. Tradition and the emotional baggage of Lincoln's name.

But that conservatism was always at odds with the rest of the Democratic Party's base, which was to its shame trying to be all things to all people to amass votes (which is after all what a political party exists for). Case in point, George Wallace in the 1960s constantly railing against "Liberals" -- he's talking about the other side of his own bipolar party. Case in point, the Dixiecrats who walked out of the Democratic convention in 1948 and ran their own candidates --- even got Harry Truman pulled off the ballot in at least one state. They did that because they were hearing way too much Liberalism from Truman and from then-Minneapolis Mayor Hubert Humphrey who made an impassioned speech for civil rights.

This bipolar tension was always there, even back to 1860 when Southerners also walked out of that year's convention and again ran their own ticket.

The short version --- "conservative" doesn't necessarily mean "Republican", even when Republicans became conservatives.

That all didn't change until 1964 (there's your 99 years) when Strom Thurmnd did the unthinkable and became a Republican. And he did that because the Democrats just weren't conservative enough and he couldn't hack it any more. It was a big step at the time because it was a huge break with tradition.

(Thurmond was a bit of a maverick though --- after he endorsed Eisenhower in 1952 the state Democrats kicked him off the ballot and he had to run as a write-in ..... which he won.)

The last part of your post ---- no, the Klan wasn't founded by or comprised of "Democrats" except to the point where they may have been coincidental. But it required no political party. Were some of the Klan also Democrats? Almost certainly. If you were white and registered with a party at all, you were usually a Democrat, whether you were a racist or not. Just as in Maine (the largest chapter outside the South) if you were a Klanner you were probably a Republican, again simply because they dominated Maine for the same hundred year period (1855-1955). But that doesn't make either party a causation.

You're wrong, name the Democrats who became Republicans from the 11 Confederate states who switched parties as you claim from 1861 to 2016...

All of them

That moron still looking for switchers -- I told him over and over that didn't happen for 99 years.
But here are a few that happened after the CRA:

Strom Thurmond (the first)
Jesse Helms
Trent Lott
Richard Shelby
Sonny Perdue
Dave Treen
Buddy Roemer
Billy Tauzin
Richard Baker
Woody Jenkins
Rick Perry
Bob Martínez
Bob Barr
Phil Gramm
Condoleeza Rice
even George Wallace Jr.

And oh yeah, David Duke

By some miracle, the South swtiched from Democratic to Republican for the 1964 election.

It wasn't much of a miracle. There was just no way the Deep South was going to support Johnson who was committed to passing the civil rights act and the voting rights act. Goldwater being a strong advocate of States Rights, was just what they wanted. 1964 marked the end of Democrat control of the Deep South in national elections.

 

[Staidhup]

I don't know too much about the origins of the KKK, but wasn't it started by those that avoided the conflict in response to the GOP's reconstruction plan? Like those that lost out to the carpet bagger's?

 

[Staidhup]

I find it interesting in that the Dem's lost their plantations and yet reestablished them in the inner cities across the country, and yet wash their hands of any historical connection to the KKK.

 

[norwegen]

The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!

It's a symbol of the Democratic Party, then. I'll agree.

Another of the historically challenged heard from!

Yes, we have heard from you, but you're a member here, so what can we do?

Oh, I know; how about a short history lesson. Democrats led the secession movements and formed the Confederate States of America.

Kapish? Democrats were, as you say, the TRAITORS. Again, Democrats. That's Democrats, with a D.

 

[owebo]

Democrats have always supported racism. From their founding of the KKK,.

The KKK was founded by:

• White males
• Christians
• Southerners
• Confederate Veterans

By your 'rational' that means that all white males, all Christians, all Southerners and all descendants of the Confederacy are racists.

You do condemn the Confederate States- and consider every Confederate soldier to be a racist- right?

Democrats even....

 

[MaryL]

On Dec. 24, 1865, Democrats in the American South formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of keeing uppity blacks in their place. They attacked the blacks, and any white Republicans who defended or support them, lynching and killing them when possible. Democrat support for, and membership in, the KKK continues to this day, with theDemocrat attacking, insulting, and pillorying blacks who dared to espouse viewpoints the Democrats disagree with.

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KKK founded - Dec 24, 1865 - HISTORY.com

151 years ago KKK founded
December 24, 2016

In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.

Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans and white Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests.

All of this because a big bad Republican wanted to end slavery, funny thing that is.

 

[owebo]

On Dec. 24, 1865, Democrats in the American South formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of keeing uppity blacks in their place. They attacked the blacks, and any white Republicans who defended or support them, lynching and killing them when possible. Democrat support for, and membership in, the KKK continues to this day, with theDemocrat attacking, insulting, and pillorying blacks who dared to espouse viewpoints the Democrats disagree with.

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KKK founded - Dec 24, 1865 - HISTORY.com

151 years ago KKK founded
December 24, 2016

In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.

Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans and white Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests.

All of this because a big bad Republican wanted to end slavery, funny thing that is.

Democrats created the kkk to lynch us for freeing their salves.....it's scarey they are even tolerated in this day and age.....