2/3 of Americans-Afghanistan Not Worth Fighting

[Meister]

No the only equipment left were the heavy vehicles, and it would have been wrong to destroy them for no reason.
In fact, we owed Afghan billion for all the damage we did, and the least we can do is leave them something.
And we should keep the embassy open, since we will need an embassy for the Taliban.

Wow! I'm sure a lot more than heavy vehicles were left behind.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Built and trained at a two-decade cost of $83 billion, Afghan security forces collapsed so quickly and completely — in some cases without a shot fired — that the ultimate beneficiary of the American investment turned out to be the Taliban. They grabbed not only political power but also U.S.-supplied firepower — guns, ammunition, helicopters and more.
Billions spent on Afghan army ultimately benefited Taliban

 

[Rigby5]

Again, what you said doesn't support the conclusions you draw.

Al Qaeda WAS in Afghanistan where they prepared to attack the US. What difference does it make if what you said is true and they harassed him a bit since they still allowed him to do that?

You continue to draw wild and unsupported conclusions from little information

There was never any proof bin Laden was behind any of the attacks.
None of the attackers had ever been to Afghanistan or known to have met with bin Laden.
Nothing happened in Afghanistan towards any attack.
They can not "allow" that which they have no knowledge of or control over.

 

[U2Edge]

Afghanistan War Unpopular Amid Chaotic Pullout: Poll

Roughly two-thirds said they did not think America’s longest war was worth fighting, the poll shows.

www.huffpost.com

Despite the Republican whining and piling on...America does not approve of the "forever war" in Afghanistan

There was and never is...a "good way" to disengage from something as fucked up as that

That is one poll and a less reliable one at that.

GALLUP has done the most consistent polling on the issue and shows roughly and even split among the American population.

GALLUP POLL QUESTION: Looking back, do you think the United States made a mistake sending troops to fight in Afghanistan, or not?

Yes, A Mistake: 47%

No, Not A Mistake: 46%

No Opinion: 6%


The term FOREVER WAR, or ENDLESS WAR are meaningless slogans invented in the past several years for political purpose and manipulation of public opinion which DO NOT capture an accurate picture of the factual changing situation on the ground in Afghanistan and other places around the world. Its as dumbed down and meaningless as teenage name calling.

 

[Flash]

The thing about Joe Dufus is that he has a record of being a little chickenshit. He voted for defunding South Vietnam allowing the Communists takeover. This was after we had secured their sovereignty with the Paris Peace accords through the ultimate sacrifice of over 50K Americans.

Dat boy never gets anything right.

 

[bendog]

Yes you can defend if attacked, but Afghanistan and Iraq never attacked the US, so then any action had to go through the UN.
Afghanistan and Iraq had rights and we violated those rights.
I do not remember any specific exemption for genocide, but it sounds reasonable since preventing genocide would be defensive.

Iraq has never attacked us or Iran for that matter. But a state cannot support terror attacks on another state and complain if they are attacked. They didn't give up OBL

 

[Rigby5]

The Taliban and Al Qaeda are both advocates of Sharia law. That is their primary objective. So really you are the one who is splitting hairs. They are allies and support the same objective

Wrong.
All Moslems believe in Sharia law, which has nothing to do with flying airplanes into buildings.
And it is only flying airplanes into buildings that is a problem.
And no, Sharia law is no one's primary objective.
The primary objective of the Taliban was to get liberation from the Soviets, and then a free and popular government.

 

[bendog]

That is one poll and a less reliable one at that.

GALLUP has done the most consistent polling on the issue and shows roughly and even split among the American population.

GALLUP POLL QUESTION: Looking back, do you think the United States made a mistake sending troops to fight in Afghanistan, or not?

Yes, A Mistake: 47%

No, Not A Mistake: 46%

No Opinion: 6%


The term FOREVER WAR, or ENDLESS WAR are meaningless slogans invented in the past several years for political purpose and manipulation of public opinion which DO NOT capture an accurate picture of the factual changing situation on the ground in Afghanistan and other places around the world. Its as dumbed down and meaningless as teenage name calling.

pretty opaque questions.

 

[Rigby5]

Wow! I'm sure a lot more than heavy vehicles were left behind.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Built and trained at a two-decade cost of $83 billion, Afghan security forces collapsed so quickly and completely — in some cases without a shot fired — that the ultimate beneficiary of the American investment turned out to be the Taliban. They grabbed not only political power but also U.S.-supplied firepower — guns, ammunition, helicopters and more.
Billions spent on Afghan army ultimately benefited Taliban

Did you expect the US to remove the arms we had given to the Afghans?

 

[Rigby5]

Iraq has never attacked us or Iran for that matter. But a state cannot support terror attacks on another state and complain if they are attacked. They didn't give up OBL

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan ever even remotely supported any attack on any other country.
The US simply was lying.
There were no WMD in Iraq, and the Taliban were not in on secret crimes by bin Laden.
Again, we LIED!

 

[U2Edge]

Iraq has never attacked us or Iran for that matter. But a state cannot support terror attacks on another state and complain if they are attacked. They didn't give up OBL

Iraq invaded and annexed Kuwait which was essentially an attack on the United States given the national security implications for the United States and other countries around the world.

The concept that for it to be an attack on the United States it has to take place within the physical borders of the United States is from 1812 and died in the early 20th century during World War I. This is the 21st century and any attack to the global economy or global environment can be seen as an attack on the United States.

 

[Rigby5]

Iraq invaded and annexed Kuwait which was essentially an attack on the United States given the national security implications for the United States and other countries around the world.

The concept that for it to be an attack on the United States it has to take place within the physical borders of the United States is from 1812 and died in the early 20th century during World War I. This is the 21st century and any attack to the global economy or global environment can be seen as an attack on the United States.

Wrong.
First of all, Kuwait used to be part of Iraq, and the British illegally split it off around 1890 for oil.
Second is that Kuwait was illegally stealing Iraqi oil with slant drilling, and Saddam specifically asked ambassador Glasspie for permission to use force, before they attacked Kuwait.

US Ambassador April Glaspie's Interview with Pres. Saddam Hussein, July 25 1990

msuweb.montclair.edu

 

[Flash]

Joe Dufus is wrong. The Taliban are not little sweethearts now.

 

[U2Edge]

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan ever even remotely supported any attack on any other country.
The US simply was lying.
There were no WMD in Iraq, and the Taliban were not in on secret crimes by bin Laden.
Again, we LIED!

BULLSHIT. SADDAM's Iraq invaded and attacked, unprovoked, four different countries. They invaded Iran in 1980. Invaded and annexed Kuwait in August 1990. Invaded and attacked Saudi Arabia in February 1991, attacked Israel in February 1991!

NO ONE LIED, Iraq did have WMD that had not been dismantled from the 1980s still in their possession. Over 10,000 artillery shells with various chemicals have been found in Iraq since 2003. While they may be old, and were filled with such chemicals before 1991, IRAQ WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM!

IRAQ was also guilty of violating 17 UN Security Council Resolutions passed under Chapter VII rules of the United Nations, were violating the sanctions and embargo regime, collecting Billion dollars in illegal black market sales of oil, which were allowing SADDAM's regime to rebuild is prior military capabilities both conventional and unconventional.

As for the TALIBAN, they are more intertwined today with Al Qaeda than they were back in the 1990s do to 20 years of continued relationships now sealed with marriages and offspring. Al Qaeda now has a presence in 15 out of 34 Afghan provinces.

When it comes to the Taliban and 9/11, even the late Mullah Omar, prior leader of the Taliban admits they supported Al Qaeda! They facilitated the training camps, and supplied weapons, food, lodging, fighters etc.

I suppose you would find no fault with a person who used their house to allow individuals to gang rape members of your family. Anyone who did that under American law would be guilty. The fact that they did not do any of the raping would not matter. They facilitated it and let it happen.

 

[U2Edge]

Wrong.
First of all, Kuwait used to be part of Iraq, and the British illegally split it off around 1890 for oil.
Second is that Kuwait was illegally stealing Iraqi oil with slant drilling, and Saddam specifically asked ambassador Glasspie for permission to use force, before they attacked Kuwait.

US Ambassador April Glaspie's Interview with Pres. Saddam Hussein, July 25 1990

msuweb.montclair.edu

KUWAIT WAS A RECOGNIZED MEMBER OF THE UNITED NATIONS, SO NO, YOU ARE WRONG!

Nothing Kuwait was alleged to have done, justified it being invaded and annexed. Kuwait was the first globally recognized country to be annexed through invasion since Adolf Hitler did it in the 1940s.

 

[Flash]

My god what a bunch of fucks up.

I wonder if they started off the meeting with a Diversity lesson?

 

[Flash]

But Joe Dufus says he trust the Taliban


#Taliban executed Mulla Achgazi, former head of security in Badghis province of #Afghanistan. He is one of almost 100 #Afghan Army & Police commanders executed by Taliban within past 5 days. I have censored this footage to not have my account removed by Twitter. pic.twitter.com/fI9STePkRN

 

[kaz]

There is no doubt Osama bin Laden was an agent for the CIA during the war against the Soviets.

I agreed with that. It is irrelevant to what happened later, which is the Taliban giving Al Qaeda a base of operations to work to prepare the attack

So there is no way the Taliban can be blamed for what the CIA did before the Taliban even existed

Well, it's a good thing no one is doing that then, isn't it? I blame them for what they did when they did exist, which is what everyone else is doing.

You're still saying things that are true, then drawing wild, unsupported leaping conclusions from them.

None of this contradicts that the Taliban DID prove Al Qaeda a training base to attack us. That is participating in the attack. The rest of it is you being nuts

 

[Flash]

More of the assholes that Joe Dufus trust with the lives of Americans

 

[kaz]

There was never any proof bin Laden was behind any of the attacks.
None of the attackers had ever been to Afghanistan or known to have met with bin Laden.
Nothing happened in Afghanistan towards any attack.
They can not "allow" that which they have no knowledge of or control over.

So now Bin Laden didn't attack us. You're a total loon

 

[Flash]

“If This Isn’t Failure, What Does Failure Look Like?”