2 students stabbed...in community college gun free...killing zone...

[Brain357]

They change by year. Chris gave 600. What do drownings and falling off roofs have to do with guns not making people safer?

Quote it right . . . LESS THAN 0.5% of the population dies from accidental shootings. THAT is a fact. And I've also quoted studies for you that show there are a MILLION cases where guns have been used in self defense, as have others. You are just a dishonest twat. Lol.

Yes and more people die from accidental shootings than criminals do in defense. So guns are far more dangerous to innocent people than to criminals.

The accidental deaths are perpetrated mostly by black criminal retards.

Maybe we should just disarm blacks.

You have a link on that? The woman with the bra holster who shot herself dead looked pretty white. The woman who was shot dead by her 2 year old also looked white.

Most intentional homicides are. Now, if you wanted to do something constructive, you would be fighting against gangs. They are the real reason why America's homicide rates are high. Honest and law-abiding gun owners are not out killing people. Only criminals who do not follow laws are doing this. So . . . what's your argument again?

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So then there are no stats showing that most accidental deaths are by criminals. I didn't think so.

 

[koshergrl]

More people are accidentally killed in buckets and bathtubs. Try to make tubs illegal, loon.

I haven't suggested making anything illegal. I think many more people use bathtubs daily than guns however. Most people won't ever need a gun their whole life. Most people really should bathe daily though.

Stop lying. Of course you want to ban guns. You aren't fooling anyone. Are you even an American citizen, or are you from across the pond? Strange how a lot of you weirdos take such an interest in OUR rights as citizens of America. Guns have ALWAYS been a part of America culture, since before America was even a country. Get a clue and get a grip on your paranoia.

You have a better chance of drowning in a backyard pool than you do of being shot.

I see so you are so desperate now that you have to make false claims about me? Very sad. Sorry but guns don't make people safer.

You are the one who is desperate. Like you have been told, accidental gun shootings account for far, far less deaths than swimming and cars. Also, many MORE people have defended themselves against an attacker or potential attacker. Facts prove you wrong.

Cars and pools have nothing to do with guns. And the stats show guns do not make people safer. Yes a whole 230 criminals a year are shot in defense, but 600 innocent people are killed in accidental shootings. A gun owner is 3X as likely to accidently shoot an innocent person than a criminal.

Oh I started another thread on it.

The CDC maintains that firearms play a significant role in self defense, and I think they cited thousands of instances in a year where it was successful.

 

[ChrisL]

Quote it right . . . LESS THAN 0.5% of the population dies from accidental shootings. THAT is a fact. And I've also quoted studies for you that show there are a MILLION cases where guns have been used in self defense, as have others. You are just a dishonest twat. Lol.

Yes and more people die from accidental shootings than criminals do in defense. So guns are far more dangerous to innocent people than to criminals.

The accidental deaths are perpetrated mostly by black criminal retards.

Maybe we should just disarm blacks.

You have a link on that? The woman with the bra holster who shot herself dead looked pretty white. The woman who was shot dead by her 2 year old also looked white.

Most intentional homicides are. Now, if you wanted to do something constructive, you would be fighting against gangs. They are the real reason why America's homicide rates are high. Honest and law-abiding gun owners are not out killing people. Only criminals who do not follow laws are doing this. So . . . what's your argument again?

Request Rejected

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So then there are no stats showing that most accidental deaths are by criminals. I didn't think so.

That is irrelevant, whether an accidental death is due to a criminal or not. Lol. Who is getting desperate? Pinkie is getting desperate. (<<< that's you).

 

[ChrisL]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

 

[Brain357]

Yes and more people die from accidental shootings than criminals do in defense. So guns are far more dangerous to innocent people than to criminals.

The accidental deaths are perpetrated mostly by black criminal retards.

Maybe we should just disarm blacks.

You have a link on that? The woman with the bra holster who shot herself dead looked pretty white. The woman who was shot dead by her 2 year old also looked white.

Most intentional homicides are. Now, if you wanted to do something constructive, you would be fighting against gangs. They are the real reason why America's homicide rates are high. Honest and law-abiding gun owners are not out killing people. Only criminals who do not follow laws are doing this. So . . . what's your argument again?

Request Rejected

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So then there are no stats showing that most accidental deaths are by criminals. I didn't think so.

That is irrelevant, whether an accidental death is due to a criminal or not. Lol. Who is getting desperate? Pinkie is getting desperate. (<<< that's you).

Tell Kosher that it was her point.

 

[Brain357]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

2.5 million defenses and only 232 criminals get shot and killed? You must be joking right? That survey has been debunked many times over. And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Again more innocent people are accidently shot and killed than criminals are killed in defense.

 

[2aguy]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

2.5 million defenses and only 232 criminals get shot and killed? You must be joking right? That survey has been debunked many times over. And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Again more innocent people are accidently shot and killed than criminals are killed in defense.

No, it has never been debunked....it has been lied about, and anti gun researchers have made up numbers trying to refute it....and the thing is....it isn't the only study.....why they focus on his study is odd, considering there are at least 18-19 on the subject...with numbers that support his study.......

Below is a good list of the studies that kleck cites in his work......there have been more but getting them is not easy....

And if you average the below studies...it comes out to 1.6 million times a year guns are used to stop crime and save lives....

And if only 232 criminals are killed....so what...that just shows what we have always said....gun owners are not blood thirsty killers....they kill only when absolutely necessary....most of the time they simply drive off the attacker, hold him for police or just wound them......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717
DMIa 1978...2,141,512
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68
Kleck...2.5 million
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409
Hart...1981...1.797,461
Mauser...1990...1,487,342
Gallup...1993...1,621,377
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
-------------------------------------------
Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..



NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey)....108,000


Notice, the 3 different groupings of stats from the research listed so far.....not one of them approaches the NCVS number of 100,000.....yet you claim to know that is the correct number....

 

[2aguy]

And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Any time a criminal confronts you with the threat of violence it is a life threatening encounter...even if he just demands your watch......

 

[ChrisL]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

2.5 million defenses and only 232 criminals get shot and killed? You must be joking right? That survey has been debunked many times over. And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Again more innocent people are accidently shot and killed than criminals are killed in defense.

No, it has never been debunked....it has been lied about, and anti gun researchers have made up numbers trying to refute it....and the thing is....it isn't the only study.....why they focus on his study is odd, considering there are at least 18-19 on the subject...with numbers that support his study.......

Below is a good list of the studies that kleck cites in his work......there have been more but getting them is not easy....

And if you average the below studies...it comes out to 1.6 million times a year guns are used to stop crime and save lives....

And if only 232 criminals are killed....so what...that just shows what we have always said....gun owners are not blood thirsty killers....they kill only when absolutely necessary....most of the time they simply drive off the attacker, hold him for police or just wound them......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717
DMIa 1978...2,141,512
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68
Kleck...2.5 million
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409
Hart...1981...1.797,461
Mauser...1990...1,487,342
Gallup...1993...1,621,377
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
-------------------------------------------
Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..



NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey)....108,000


Notice, the 3 different groupings of stats from the research listed so far.....not one of them approaches the NCVS number of 100,000.....yet you claim to know that is the correct number....

Thank you, Bil . . . I mean 2aguy. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

2.5 million defenses and only 232 criminals get shot and killed? You must be joking right? That survey has been debunked many times over. And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Again more innocent people are accidently shot and killed than criminals are killed in defense.

Wrong, as per usual, pinkie. Read 2aguy's post.

 

[2aguy]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

2.5 million defenses and only 232 criminals get shot and killed? You must be joking right? That survey has been debunked many times over. And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Again more innocent people are accidently shot and killed than criminals are killed in defense.

Wrong, as per usual, pinkie. Read 2aguy's post.

You can call me Bill...it is the creepy lefties I'm hiding from ......

 

[Brain357]

And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Any time a criminal confronts you with the threat of violence it is a life threatening encounter...even if he just demands your watch......

Statistically no. Murder is about .001 of all crime.

 

[Brain357]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

2.5 million defenses and only 232 criminals get shot and killed? You must be joking right? That survey has been debunked many times over. And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Again more innocent people are accidently shot and killed than criminals are killed in defense.

No, it has never been debunked....it has been lied about, and anti gun researchers have made up numbers trying to refute it....and the thing is....it isn't the only study.....why they focus on his study is odd, considering there are at least 18-19 on the subject...with numbers that support his study.......

Below is a good list of the studies that kleck cites in his work......there have been more but getting them is not easy....

And if you average the below studies...it comes out to 1.6 million times a year guns are used to stop crime and save lives....

And if only 232 criminals are killed....so what...that just shows what we have always said....gun owners are not blood thirsty killers....they kill only when absolutely necessary....most of the time they simply drive off the attacker, hold him for police or just wound them......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717
DMIa 1978...2,141,512
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68
Kleck...2.5 million
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409
Hart...1981...1.797,461
Mauser...1990...1,487,342
Gallup...1993...1,621,377
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
-------------------------------------------
Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..



NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey)....108,000


Notice, the 3 different groupings of stats from the research listed so far.....not one of them approaches the NCVS number of 100,000.....yet you claim to know that is the correct number....

Yes the 108,000 NCVS is the most accurate. And also the only one that would weed out defenses by those involved in criminal activity.

 

[Brain357]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

2.5 million defenses and only 232 criminals get shot and killed? You must be joking right? That survey has been debunked many times over. And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Again more innocent people are accidently shot and killed than criminals are killed in defense.

Wrong, as per usual, pinkie. Read 2aguy's post.

You can call me Bill...it is the creepy lefties I'm hiding from ......

I hope nobody was too creepy...

 

[2aguy]

And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Any time a criminal confronts you with the threat of violence it is a life threatening encounter...even if he just demands your watch......

Statistically no. Murder is about .001 of all crime.

No, any time someone says give me your property or I will hurt or kill you...it is a violent crime....you do not know what will happen if you don't comply.....

The nephew of the former mayor of Chicago Richard Daley got into an altercation with a guy outside a bar.......he just punched the guy once.....once......the guy fell, and hit his head on the pavement and was put into a coma that he never came out of......any encounter where violence is threatened is a possible murder......

 

[2aguy]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

2.5 million defenses and only 232 criminals get shot and killed? You must be joking right? That survey has been debunked many times over. And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Again more innocent people are accidently shot and killed than criminals are killed in defense.

Wrong, as per usual, pinkie. Read 2aguy's post.

You can call me Bill...it is the creepy lefties I'm hiding from ......

I hope nobody was too creepy...

Here on U.S. not really, but back on the site I came from....I had one left wing jackass writing me love poetry whenever I posted anything....then I was using more of my real name and he got into my face book account and posted my personal pictures on the site.....and he was just one of the leftwing nut jobs over there.......

 

[Brain357]

And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Any time a criminal confronts you with the threat of violence it is a life threatening encounter...even if he just demands your watch......

Statistically no. Murder is about .001 of all crime.

No, any time someone says give me your property or I will hurt or kill you...it is a violent crime....you do not know what will happen if you don't comply.....

The nephew of the former mayor of Chicago Richard Daley got into an altercation with a guy outside a bar.......he just punched the guy once.....once......the guy fell, and hit his head on the pavement and was put into a coma that he never came out of......any encounter where violence is threatened is a possible murder......

The stats don't lie. It's still only .001 of all crime.

 

[Brain357]

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

The authors concluded that defensive uses of guns are about three to four times as common as criminal uses of guns. The National Self-Defense Survey confirmed the picture of frequent defensive gun use implied by the results of earlier, less sophisticated surveys.

2.5 million defenses and only 232 criminals get shot and killed? You must be joking right? That survey has been debunked many times over. And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Again more innocent people are accidently shot and killed than criminals are killed in defense.

Wrong, as per usual, pinkie. Read 2aguy's post.

You can call me Bill...it is the creepy lefties I'm hiding from ......

I hope nobody was too creepy...

Here on U.S. not really, but back on the site I came from....I had one left wing jackass writing me love poetry whenever I posted anything....then I was using more of my real name and he got into my face book account and posted my personal pictures on the site.....and he was just one of the leftwing nut jobs over there.......

What an ahole. Sorry to hear that happened.

 

[ChrisL]

And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Any time a criminal confronts you with the threat of violence it is a life threatening encounter...even if he just demands your watch......

Statistically no. Murder is about .001 of all crime.

No, any time someone says give me your property or I will hurt or kill you...it is a violent crime....you do not know what will happen if you don't comply.....

The nephew of the former mayor of Chicago Richard Daley got into an altercation with a guy outside a bar.......he just punched the guy once.....once......the guy fell, and hit his head on the pavement and was put into a coma that he never came out of......any encounter where violence is threatened is a possible murder......

The stats don't lie. It's still only .001 of all crime.

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

 

[Brain357]

And a defense is not saving a life, many are just defending petty crimes.

Any time a criminal confronts you with the threat of violence it is a life threatening encounter...even if he just demands your watch......

Statistically no. Murder is about .001 of all crime.

No, any time someone says give me your property or I will hurt or kill you...it is a violent crime....you do not know what will happen if you don't comply.....

The nephew of the former mayor of Chicago Richard Daley got into an altercation with a guy outside a bar.......he just punched the guy once.....once......the guy fell, and hit his head on the pavement and was put into a coma that he never came out of......any encounter where violence is threatened is a possible murder......

The stats don't lie. It's still only .001 of all crime.

Unless they disagree with you that is. Lol. You must be one of the silliest posters on this forum.

It is about .001 of all crime. Do the math yourself:
United States Crime Rates1960 - 2013