20 states sue the fed gov because ACA is now unconstitutional

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"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Ah, the stranglehold. Yes, what they need to be is fucked, so fucked that they don't have insurance. Why do they need insurance? They're not rich, no one gives a fuck if they die.

Welcome to America. Christian country. What would Jesus do? He'd tell you to get a better job and fuck off asking him for healthcare in the meantime, and then kick you in the balls.
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Ah, the stranglehold. Yes, what they need to be is fucked, so fucked that they don't have insurance. Why do they need insurance? They're not rich, no one gives a fuck if they die.

Welcome to America. Christian country. What would Jesus do? He'd tell you to get a better job and fuck off asking him for healthcare in the meantime, and then kick you in the balls.
Midol?
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Ah, the stranglehold. Yes, what they need to be is fucked, so fucked that they don't have insurance. Why do they need insurance? They're not rich, no one gives a fuck if they die.

Welcome to America. Christian country. What would Jesus do? He'd tell you to get a better job and fuck off asking him for healthcare in the meantime, and then kick you in the balls.
Amend the Constitution then, statist boi
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Hopefully all of the ACA can be removed and they can try again. Too many hospital killing measures in the ACA.

I would also like to see the law removed that forces a doctor/hospital to give care to those who cannot afford it and do not have insurance. I bet then a lot more people would find a way to buy insurance and the cost would go down for everyone.
 
Hopefully all of the ACA can be removed and they can try again. Too many hospital killing measures in the ACA.

I would also like to see the law removed that forces a doctor/hospital to give care to those who cannot afford it and do not have insurance. I bet then a lot more people would find a way to buy insurance and the cost would go down for everyone.
Same here! For more reasons that that.
 
LOL
"you want people to die"
No you idiots. I want people to amend the Constitution or get their own damn insurance. It isnt complicated and your ridiculous rhetoric makes things worse.
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

??!!!
It was unconstitutional WITH the tax penalty!

What does this mean, it was unconstitutional either way?
With or without the penalty?

I guess that's like saying state marriage laws are unconstitutional
if they require same sex only. And unconstitutional if they require
states to recognize and endorse same sex marriages.
Because, guess what, marriage laws through the state
are already unconstitutional (unless people consent to that being law).

Laws either prohibiting or establishing Christian prayer would be unconstitutional.
Why? Because they involve a BELIEF.

Same with right to health care which is a political BELIEF.
So either way, if the govt is abused to establish a belief and penalize
people for their beliefs, that law is going to be unconstitutional.

The ACA mandates violated equal rights of people of Constitutional beliefs
and discriminated in favor of those who believes in either health care as
a right or believed that federal govt had the right to establish such a law
without first passing a Constitutional Amendment specifying this new authority.

It either violated the Constitution DIRECTLY by bypassing legislative process,
or it violated Constitutional BELIEFS of citizens, or BOTH.

So that's why it was unconstitutional on one or both counts.
And any other argument made about it falls under unconstitutionality.

As in Logic: once you make a false statement, anything you append to that
false statement or premise becomes false. Because there was already
a conflict or flaw in the original statement. Big fat duh!!!
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

??!!!
It was unconstitutional WITH the tax penalty!

What does this mean, it was unconstitutional either way?
With or without the penalty?

I guess that's like saying state marriage laws are unconstitutional
if they require same sex only. And unconstitutional if they require
states to recognize and endorse same sex marriages.
Because, guess what, marriage laws through the state
are already unconstitutional (unless people consent to that being law).

Laws either prohibiting or establishing Christian prayer would be unconstitutional.
Why? Because they involve a BELIEF.

Same with right to health care which is a political BELIEF.
So either way, if the govt is abused to establish a belief and penalize
people for their beliefs, that law is going to be unconstitutional.

The ACA mandates violated equal rights of people of Constitutional beliefs
and discriminated in favor of those who believes in either health care as
a right or believed that federal govt had the right to establish such a law
without first passing a Constitutional Amendment specifying this new authority.

It either violated the Constitution DIRECTLY by bypassing legislative process,
or it violated Constitutional BELIEFS of citizens, or BOTH.

So that's why it was unconstitutional on one or both counts.
And any other argument made about it falls under unconstitutionality.

As in Logic: once you make a false statement, anything you append to that
false statement or premise becomes false. Because there was already
a conflict or flaw in the original statement. Big fat duh!!!
im with you!
 
I thought Obamacare was going to collapse on its own. Trump said that it’s dead and gone. So why is the GOP stacking on even more increasingly drastic strategies to kill it?
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Ah, the stranglehold. Yes, what they need to be is fucked, so fucked that they don't have insurance. Why do they need insurance? They're not rich, no one gives a fuck if they die.

Welcome to America. Christian country. What would Jesus do? He'd tell you to get a better job and fuck off asking him for healthcare in the meantime, and then kick you in the balls.

Dear frigidweirdo
And anti-christians on the left reject Christian healing prayer
that cures CAUSES of disease for FREE to make sustainable health care affordable and accessible to all,
then yell at govt to pay for medical procedures and drugs that only treat the SYMPTOMS.

And wonder why we can't afford medical care.

Sadly, Christian healing prayer not only cures the cause of physical diseases,
such as cancer (better than marijuana that only alleviates certain symptoms)
and diabetes (that liberals blame on sugars they lobby to regulate)
but also mental and criminal disorders. So these methods cure both the cause
AND the symptoms of abuse, addictions and crime,
including mass shootings that liberals want to blame on guns.

In short, frigidweirdo, liberals yell at govt about gun violence and health care.

But the left have been lobbying to REJECT and CENSOR the very
solutions because of discrimination and demonization against CHRISTIAN beliefs and practices.

How can you have it both ways frigidweirdo
If you want health care to be free, then let's research and develop
these methods of spiritual healing that have reduced the cost and incidents of disease and crime.

You can't reject free solutions
then complain the problems are costing too much!

That's right! That's why Christians have been advocating to share the knowledge
of spiritual health and healing. It saves lives, and also money.

If you reject the cure, of course you get stuck with the ills.
And the bills!
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Ah, the stranglehold. Yes, what they need to be is fucked, so fucked that they don't have insurance. Why do they need insurance? They're not rich, no one gives a fuck if they die.

Welcome to America. Christian country. What would Jesus do? He'd tell you to get a better job and fuck off asking him for healthcare in the meantime, and then kick you in the balls.

Jesus would say trust God and stop making the state your god.

He has also has already said work six days and rest on the seventh
 
That's right! That's why Christians have been advocating to share the knowledge
of spiritual health and healing. It saves lives, and also money.

Yeah that's why them spiritually healed Christians are falling over in the streets and their kids are dying from lack of treatments for ailments....Nothing but a medicine show for the gullible...
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

I was wondering about that. My first thought was without the fine it’s not a tax and it’s unconstitutional now but I wasn’t sure how that would work
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Ah, the stranglehold. Yes, what they need to be is fucked, so fucked that they don't have insurance. Why do they need insurance? They're not rich, no one gives a fuck if they die.

Welcome to America. Christian country. What would Jesus do? He'd tell you to get a better job and fuck off asking him for healthcare in the meantime, and then kick you in the balls.

Jesus would say trust God and stop making the state your god.

He has also has already said work six days and rest on the seventh
He also said that you need to take care of those less fortunate in society...
 
I thought Obamacare was going to collapse on its own. Trump said that it’s dead and gone. So why is the GOP stacking on even more increasingly drastic strategies to kill it?

Dear TheOldSchool
I can't understand why nobody has challenged the ACA on Constitutional grounds
that it violated equal rights and beliefs of citizens.

My guess is that it is not a clearcut legal battle, so they are trying to pinpoint
legal arguments that can win in the court system we have today. All legalistic!!!

Lawyers generally cannot afford to push a long battle through this convoluted process.
To get Hobby Lobby to pinpoint one argument they could win took concerted effort,
to strategize around one case. Same with the lawsuit that won, finding that Obama
abused and released funds without proper Congressional authorization. That suit won but it took time.

The other issue is that the lawyers and lobbyists/politicians on the right
are ALSO big on pushing their own beliefs through govt. So they can't very well
find a lawyer willing to sue on the grounds of beliefs not being constitutional for govt to establish,
if they believe in this same tactic! abusing political party to bully beliefs through govt.

How can you win an argument if you do the same thing?

That's why I think the people get stuck with both parties pushing their beliefs through govt.
Instead of suing both parties to stop the abuse, one would have to be bullish enough
to sue the other for it, but if they are both doing it, well, good luck with that!

The people I've found willing to hold all parties equally accountable
are the independents on the bottom of the totem pole. We'd have to unite
and push a unified national petititon, and try to get party members to sue
each other for damages, corrections and grievances, with the understanding
the other groups are going to sue on the same grounds. If we can agree to
all unite as TAXPAYERS and sue to defend our beliefs from infringement from
opposing parties, we might be able to pursue a class level action.

The left can sue for reimbursements of trillions in illicit contested war spending
that wasn't authorized but violated the beliefs of citizens on the left.

The right can sue for reimbursements of billions if not trillions over ACA.

We could unite as taxpayers and demand the debts and deficits be re-assessed,
and refuse to pay any charges or costs involving contested/unauthorized spending
that violated the beliefs of one party or another. And sue collectively for damages
and debts to be reimbursed or CREDITED back to taxpayers, and charge the govt
with setting up legal commissions to collect back from the wrongdoers responsible.

That's what I'd like to see. Then we can set up federal reserve accounts to assess
all the debts and credits we are owed, and use those credits to finance the
reforms and solutions we the people AGREE that govt should have been paying for
with our tax dollars.
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

??!!!
It was unconstitutional WITH the tax penalty!

What does this mean, it was unconstitutional either way?
With or without the penalty?

I guess that's like saying state marriage laws are unconstitutional
if they require same sex only. And unconstitutional if they require
states to recognize and endorse same sex marriages.
Because, guess what, marriage laws through the state
are already unconstitutional (unless people consent to that being law).

Laws either prohibiting or establishing Christian prayer would be unconstitutional.
Why? Because they involve a BELIEF.

Same with right to health care which is a political BELIEF.
So either way, if the govt is abused to establish a belief and penalize
people for their beliefs, that law is going to be unconstitutional.

The ACA mandates violated equal rights of people of Constitutional beliefs
and discriminated in favor of those who believes in either health care as
a right or believed that federal govt had the right to establish such a law
without first passing a Constitutional Amendment specifying this new authority.

It either violated the Constitution DIRECTLY by bypassing legislative process,
or it violated Constitutional BELIEFS of citizens, or BOTH.

So that's why it was unconstitutional on one or both counts.
And any other argument made about it falls under unconstitutionality.

As in Logic: once you make a false statement, anything you append to that
false statement or premise becomes false. Because there was already
a conflict or flaw in the original statement. Big fat duh!!!

I agree that the law was never constitutional. But the Supreme Court said it as because it’s a tax. Well the tax portion has been removed so the rest of it in theory should be shot down
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Ah, the stranglehold. Yes, what they need to be is fucked, so fucked that they don't have insurance. Why do they need insurance? They're not rich, no one gives a fuck if they die.

Welcome to America. Christian country. What would Jesus do? He'd tell you to get a better job and fuck off asking him for healthcare in the meantime, and then kick you in the balls.

Jesus would say trust God and stop making the state your god.

He has also has already said work six days and rest on the seventh
He also said that you need to take care of those less fortunate in society...

Yes He did.

That’s why He organized a Church to help individuals take care of one another rather than petitioning Rome to do it for them
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Ah, the stranglehold. Yes, what they need to be is fucked, so fucked that they don't have insurance. Why do they need insurance? They're not rich, no one gives a fuck if they die.

Welcome to America. Christian country. What would Jesus do? He'd tell you to get a better job and fuck off asking him for healthcare in the meantime, and then kick you in the balls.

Jesus would say trust God and stop making the state your god.

He has also has already said work six days and rest on the seventh
He also said that you need to take care of those less fortunate in society...

Dear Moonglow as a CHEERFUL GIVER.
The spirit of Christianity is CHARITY, which is based on giving FREELY.
Not forced through govt.

Jesus said to render under Caesar's that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.
The Civil/Constitutional laws recognize that govt can neither prohibit nor establish religion.
Well health care involves beliefs and free choice,
right to health care is a political belief (for individuals) or religion (for a whole group that believes
in this as the Democratic party has declared in their platform).

So the secular laws forbid Constitutional Govt from establishing religion,
but require Govt to protect the free exercise of religion.

Thus people retain FREE CHOICE whether to follow and fund the religion
that health care is a right, or the beliefs in free market health care by free choice.

Govt cannot be abused to MANDATE or PENALIZE the free choice of beliefs.

By "consent of the governed" and "no taxation without representation"
the laws that touch on BELIEFS depend on CONSENT and free will of the citizens affected by such policy.

That is the law of the land, Moonglow
So any believer in Jesus as Lord of All ie, or Equal Justice Under Law,
would respect the law of the land and the free exercise and equal
protection of people of ALL beliefs.
 
"This is not a tax"
Twenty U.S. states sue federal government seeking end to Obamacare
A coalition of 20 U.S. states sued the federal government on Monday over Obamacare, claiming the law was no longer constitutional after the repeal last year of its requirement that people have health insurance or pay a fine.

Led by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel, the lawsuit said that without the individual mandate, which was eliminated as part of the Republican tax law signed by President Donald Trump in December, Obamacare was unlawful.

"The U.S. Supreme Court already admitted that an individual mandate without a tax penalty is unconstitutional," Paxton said in a statement. "With no remaining legitimate basis for the law, it is time that Americans are finally free from the stranglehold of Obamacare, once and for all," he said.

Awesome. GFY you damn fascists

Ah, the stranglehold. Yes, what they need to be is fucked, so fucked that they don't have insurance. Why do they need insurance? They're not rich, no one gives a fuck if they die.

Welcome to America. Christian country. What would Jesus do? He'd tell you to get a better job and fuck off asking him for healthcare in the meantime, and then kick you in the balls.

Jesus would say trust God and stop making the state your god.

He has also has already said work six days and rest on the seventh
He also said that you need to take care of those less fortunate in society...

Yes He did.

That’s why He organized a Church to help individuals take care of one another rather than petitioning Rome to do it for them
He also lived on other people's money..
 

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