CWayne
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- Sep 4, 2019
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How strange. I opened the door for a real conversation. I'm not sure how you get that I didn't.Actually, I won't. I don't care how you answer it, to be frank. -->Shut up Frank it was only a moment.So, explain it then.Yet the amount, not the percentage, that is paid to the government is all that the government cares about.
Did you pay X amount or X percent, whichever is greater?
The government ONLY cares about which is the greater.
And my point is how this impacts US, the middle class who are being fucked over year after year. The focus of my post is not how much the government is taking in.
How is it that we, the middle class, are being fucked over, year after year?
Are we less 'fucked over' if the rich are more fucked over?
Has there ever been a tax increase that fucks over the rich but not the middle class?
Has anyone ever been rewarded by fucking over some subset of humanity?
More importantly, what makes the middle class the middle class? Is it the taxes they don't pay?
Are we the middle class because money confiscated from one group at the top, then redistributed to policial lackeys and the very bottom of the social scale are desireable?
Then there is the big one.
What does the government need 5 trillion dollars for?
Does it all go to the middle class? Because if it did, why then we wouldn't be fucked every year, would we? Oh, but then, if we got all the 5 trillion year after year, then the bottom class would resent us too!
So, how is it that taxes make or break the middle class?
BTW, how do you define the middle class? By their taxation or by their income?
How about pick one question and we'll go from there. We both know if I answer all of these you'll cherry pick my answers. So pick one and we'll start with that.
If you've been paying attention, I just want you to do more than insult or give flippant answers.
It is likely I won't agree with anything you have to say. Then again, I may, in fact, think some of it has merit or even outright agree with you.
But the whole thing is, I want to know WHY, in the face of a lack of evidence, you say that the middle class is getting 'fucked, year after year'.
And I wanted to point out that the premise of your OP was wrong, and that the only people who can get tax cuts are those who actually pay taxes.
From there, maybe a conversation about how the government decides what it needs to spend and why none of that involves priorities can be had.
So Im glad I asked since you don't want to have a real conversation. I learned a long time ago that 9 out of 10 people on this site don't want to have any sort of real conversation. So I don't look for it anymore. I come here to marvel at the people who will actively support policies that will hurt themselves while pretending that that people who advocate for better healthcare, better education and ensuring that the middle class has a fighting chance are somehow the evil ones.
Advocating for better healthcare, education, and the middle class does not mean you are correct. Also, sometimes doing what is best for a country is not always what is best for a persons own personal situation.
If you only do what is best for you, and the rest of the 300+ million argue what is best for them as individuals, then we don't really have a country. Do we?
That kind of thinking strikes me as selfish. Sometimes, you have to say, I can benefit if I hurt others, but today, I won't.