2nd Amendment Discussion


The People are the Militia.

Well regulated militia of the People have literal recourse to our Second Amendment.



Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American...The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” ( Tench Coxe (a Framer of the United States Constitution, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

Tench Coxe

Only the unorganized militia complains about gun control not the organized militia.


You are repeating the same post verbatim. You need some new material. Of course the unorganized militia is complaining. It is their Liberties and gun Rights the politicians are after.

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
– Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

The organized militia has literal recourse to our Second Amendment in Any conflict of law.


The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.” Chief Justice Story, United States Supreme Court
 
Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American...The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” ( Tench Coxe (a Framer of the United States Constitution, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

Tench Coxe
Only the unorganized militia complains about gun control not the organized militia.
You do realize the organized Militia has no rights nor does it need a right to keep and bear arms
Our Second Amendment is clear, in Any conflict of law.

And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms"

George Washington, Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of February 6, 1788
We are not having these discussions because Only peaceable citizens have arms.

If you have people in society that cannot be trusted with firearms, they should be kept in prisons, mental health facilities and / or under supervision 24 / 7. Even without access to firearms, such people pose a threat to society.
 
Second Amendment. The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

So...in my opinion (your own mileages may vary), I'm pretty darn sure our founding fathers did NOT have in mind that we should ALL be allowed to have siege towers, catapults, tanks, canons, etc in our back yards aimed at our neighbors or nearby cities/towns.

So my question is.....why are NON MILITARY NON POLICE people allowed to own machine guns in any form? What is the purpose? To hunt? Maybe for sport since using one will shred what they claim they plan to eat for ....cough...survival. So why? NOBODY should own or have a permit to carry or own an AK whatever or anything similar to it. The ONLY purpose of these weapons are for mass extermination...in a quick manner. To take out as many as possible, usually humans.

I am all for the second amendment, but that means to protect ourselves against harm..which means a hand gun or two, a rifle, a hunting weapon, etc. This does NOT mean we can drag our catapults with us wherever we go. The only purpose for a catapult is the same reason AKs exist. Mass death. And as I stated....I don't think the writers of the constitution had what is happening now, in mind when they wrote it.

The only ones that SHOULD have access to such weapons are the military and police/sheriff/etc (Law Enforcement).

Your thoughts?
No discussion move out if you don’t like our republic
 
Do you know the difference between power and authority?

The way the court system works in this country is that a case starts at the trial court level. Depending on where it starts, it can be appealed several times until it reaches the United States Supreme Court. Then the high Court decides whether or not they want to hear it.

The Constitution of the United States allows the United States Supreme Court to interpret the law. That's it. They have NO further authority. In practice, however, the United States Supreme Court reviews their own court decisions and over-rules themselves!!! WTF? We call it legislating from the bench, but nobody officially challenges it.

Between Donald Trump ruling by Executive fiat and the United States Supreme Court legislating from the bench, the House and Senate serve NO purpose in this country.

The de jure / lawful / constitutional / legal law in this country is wherein the first time an issue landed on the desk of the United States Supreme Court and they granted cert (that is they agreed to hear the case) then that statute has been through the system and it is what it is. If the United States Supreme Court, the President, or Jesus himself has a problem with it, the ONLY constitutional way to change the law is to have the House and Senate write a NEW law and let the President sign it. George Washington predicted the way we're running the country and he warned:

"If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed."

FAREWELL ADDRESS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES

The government we have today is an illegal / de facto / unconstitutional / unconscionable government that does not respect the law. Ex post facto laws are enacted in violation of the Constitution; the law is being perverted and even your nonsensical posts that lack meaning might make you a criminal tomorrow the way the ship is being run. NOBODY is safe from that kind of tyranny.

I'm telling you what the law is. In reality, NONE of you out there are safe. In reality, the various branches of the government have shit-canned the Constitution. George Bush declared that the Constitution was "just a god-damned piece of paper" while the United States Supreme Court destroyed over 130 tears of standing legal precedents with the Heller decision. So, my decision is simply to tell the government they did not have the authority to change the Constitution. That is done via Amendments. THAT sir is the very reason we have a Second Amendment. The greatest reason to retain the Right to keep and bear Arms is, as a last resort, to prevent tyranny in government. So, the people have the authority to reject the unconstitutional acts whereby the United States Supreme Court has claimed that they grant you your Rights. If the government does not understand that... read the Declaration of Independence. It will give you the answer.
Our Second Amendment is expressly about the security of our free States. We have a First Amendment.

The Second Amendment does exactly what it says it does. It guarantees the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms as a measure to insure the security of a free state. It does not authorize nor create nor even secure ANYTHING. You have been provided with enough legal precedent to verify that.

Furthermore, the individual states ruled that the Second Amendment is absolute and is above the law making power.

Regardless of what it originally meant, that is all irrelevant. The Constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on and there are no militias that enforce the Constitution or repel a dictator because most people live in total darkness of what their Rights and RESPONSIBILITIES are..
Where do you get your propaganda and rhetoric from?

The People are the Militia. You are either, well regulated or unorganized. Well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.


STFU you imbecile. "Well-regulated" meant "In proper working order" in those times.

No, you don't get free hand jobs and to grope girls, dumbass!
lol. Where does the right wing find their propaganda and rhetoric?

Well regulated must be defined by our federal Congress, for the militia of the United States.

Well. It was defined at the time. The Militia was every able bodied free man.
 
Our Second Amendment is expressly about the security of our free States. We have a First Amendment.

The Second Amendment does exactly what it says it does. It guarantees the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms as a measure to insure the security of a free state. It does not authorize nor create nor even secure ANYTHING. You have been provided with enough legal precedent to verify that.

Furthermore, the individual states ruled that the Second Amendment is absolute and is above the law making power.

Regardless of what it originally meant, that is all irrelevant. The Constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on and there are no militias that enforce the Constitution or repel a dictator because most people live in total darkness of what their Rights and RESPONSIBILITIES are..
Where do you get your propaganda and rhetoric from?

The People are the Militia. You are either, well regulated or unorganized. Well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.


STFU you imbecile. "Well-regulated" meant "In proper working order" in those times.

No, you don't get free hand jobs and to grope girls, dumbass!
lol. Where does the right wing find their propaganda and rhetoric?

Well regulated must be defined by our federal Congress, for the militia of the United States.

Well. It was defined at the time. The Militia was every able bodied free man.
Trained in the discipline of firearms
 
Only the unorganized militia complains about gun control not the organized militia.
You do realize the organized Militia has no rights nor does it need a right to keep and bear arms
Our Second Amendment is clear, in Any conflict of law.
yes it's very clear shall not be infringed
Yes, well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

"(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53." United States Supreme Court HOLDING in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
Thanks for citing the error in that opinion.

There is no one who is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated. Our Second Amendment is clear in Any conflict of law.
 
The People are the Militia.

Well regulated militia of the People have literal recourse to our Second Amendment.


Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American...The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” ( Tench Coxe (a Framer of the United States Constitution, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

Tench Coxe
Only the unorganized militia complains about gun control not the organized militia.

You are repeating the same post verbatim. You need some new material. Of course the unorganized militia is complaining. It is their Liberties and gun Rights the politicians are after.

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
– Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
States have a right to their own security.

There is a long line of state court authority recognizing a right to self-defense — and a right to defend property — under state constitutions. Twenty-one state constitutions expressly secure such rights, often using language such as this:

"All men … have certain unalienable Rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, [and] acquiring, possessing and protecting property."
Government only recognizes Individual rights and Individual liberty. Government in the US delegates to Counties.

Counties have power to "commandeer the People" to help ensure County security.
 
You do realize the organized Militia has no rights nor does it need a right to keep and bear arms
Our Second Amendment is clear, in Any conflict of law.
yes it's very clear shall not be infringed
Yes, well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

"(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53." United States Supreme Court HOLDING in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
Thanks for citing the error in that opinion.

There is no one who is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated. Our Second Amendment is clear in Any conflict of law.
Why do you believe the government needs a second amendment right?
 
Only the unorganized militia complains about gun control not the organized militia.
You do realize the organized Militia has no rights nor does it need a right to keep and bear arms
Our Second Amendment is clear, in Any conflict of law.
yes it's very clear shall not be infringed
Yes, well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms for their State or the Union.

The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, reestablished by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta!” Nunn v State 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243 (1846)
The People are the Militia. There is no appeal to ignorance of the common law for the common defense.
 
The People are the Militia.

Well regulated militia of the People have literal recourse to our Second Amendment.


Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American...The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” ( Tench Coxe (a Framer of the United States Constitution, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

Tench Coxe
Only the unorganized militia complains about gun control not the organized militia.

You are repeating the same post verbatim. You need some new material. Of course the unorganized militia is complaining. It is their Liberties and gun Rights the politicians are after.

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
– Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
The organized militia has literal recourse to our Second Amendment in Any conflict of law.

The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.” Chief Justice Story, United States Supreme Court
There is no appeal to ignorance of express law. Our supreme law of the land is simply that. Nothing the right wing can imply, can have any superior standing.
 
Our Second Amendment is expressly about the security of our free States. We have a First Amendment.

The Second Amendment does exactly what it says it does. It guarantees the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms as a measure to insure the security of a free state. It does not authorize nor create nor even secure ANYTHING. You have been provided with enough legal precedent to verify that.

Furthermore, the individual states ruled that the Second Amendment is absolute and is above the law making power.

Regardless of what it originally meant, that is all irrelevant. The Constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on and there are no militias that enforce the Constitution or repel a dictator because most people live in total darkness of what their Rights and RESPONSIBILITIES are..
Where do you get your propaganda and rhetoric from?

The People are the Militia. You are either, well regulated or unorganized. Well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.


STFU you imbecile. "Well-regulated" meant "In proper working order" in those times.

No, you don't get free hand jobs and to grope girls, dumbass!
lol. Where does the right wing find their propaganda and rhetoric?

Well regulated must be defined by our federal Congress, for the militia of the United States.

Well. It was defined at the time. The Militia was every able bodied free man.
well regulated militia are declared necessary to the security of a free State.
 
The Second Amendment does exactly what it says it does. It guarantees the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms as a measure to insure the security of a free state. It does not authorize nor create nor even secure ANYTHING. You have been provided with enough legal precedent to verify that.

Furthermore, the individual states ruled that the Second Amendment is absolute and is above the law making power.

Regardless of what it originally meant, that is all irrelevant. The Constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on and there are no militias that enforce the Constitution or repel a dictator because most people live in total darkness of what their Rights and RESPONSIBILITIES are..
Where do you get your propaganda and rhetoric from?

The People are the Militia. You are either, well regulated or unorganized. Well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.


STFU you imbecile. "Well-regulated" meant "In proper working order" in those times.

No, you don't get free hand jobs and to grope girls, dumbass!
lol. Where does the right wing find their propaganda and rhetoric?

Well regulated must be defined by our federal Congress, for the militia of the United States.

Well. It was defined at the time. The Militia was every able bodied free man.
Trained in the discipline of firearms
There is no appeal to ignorance of the Laws of Government.

10 U.S. Code § 246.Militia: composition and classes
 
Our Second Amendment is clear, in Any conflict of law.
yes it's very clear shall not be infringed
Yes, well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

"(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53." United States Supreme Court HOLDING in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
Thanks for citing the error in that opinion.

There is no one who is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated. Our Second Amendment is clear in Any conflict of law.
Why do you believe the government needs a second amendment right?
It is due to our federal form of Government. The several States of our Union are sovereign within their jurisdiction, with the general Government handling inter-State and inter-national stuff.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
 
yes it's very clear shall not be infringed
Yes, well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

"(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53." United States Supreme Court HOLDING in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
Thanks for citing the error in that opinion.

There is no one who is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated. Our Second Amendment is clear in Any conflict of law.
Why do you believe the government needs a second amendment right?
It is due to our federal form of Government. The several States of our Union are sovereign within their jurisdiction, with the general Government handling inter-State and inter-national stuff.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
As with the 14th Amendment, states cannot deprive citizens of their second amendment right. They cannot infringe upon it because it's federally protected.
 
Yes, well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

"(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53." United States Supreme Court HOLDING in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
Thanks for citing the error in that opinion.

There is no one who is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated. Our Second Amendment is clear in Any conflict of law.
Why do you believe the government needs a second amendment right?
It is due to our federal form of Government. The several States of our Union are sovereign within their jurisdiction, with the general Government handling inter-State and inter-national stuff.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
As with the 14th Amendment, states cannot deprive citizens of their second amendment right. They cannot infringe upon it because it's federally protected.
lol. The People are the Militia. Only the unorganized militia whines about gun control.
 
"(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53." United States Supreme Court HOLDING in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
Thanks for citing the error in that opinion.

There is no one who is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated. Our Second Amendment is clear in Any conflict of law.
Why do you believe the government needs a second amendment right?
It is due to our federal form of Government. The several States of our Union are sovereign within their jurisdiction, with the general Government handling inter-State and inter-national stuff.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
As with the 14th Amendment, states cannot deprive citizens of their second amendment right. They cannot infringe upon it because it's federally protected.
lol. The People are the Militia. Only the unorganized militia whines about gun control.
men don't whine we react
 
Thanks for citing the error in that opinion.

There is no one who is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated. Our Second Amendment is clear in Any conflict of law.
Why do you believe the government needs a second amendment right?
It is due to our federal form of Government. The several States of our Union are sovereign within their jurisdiction, with the general Government handling inter-State and inter-national stuff.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
As with the 14th Amendment, states cannot deprive citizens of their second amendment right. They cannot infringe upon it because it's federally protected.
lol. The People are the Militia. Only the unorganized militia whines about gun control.
men don't whine we react
Get Organized, don't be all Talk and no action.
 
Where do you get your propaganda and rhetoric from?

The People are the Militia. You are either, well regulated or unorganized. Well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.


STFU you imbecile. "Well-regulated" meant "In proper working order" in those times.

No, you don't get free hand jobs and to grope girls, dumbass!
lol. Where does the right wing find their propaganda and rhetoric?

Well regulated must be defined by our federal Congress, for the militia of the United States.

Well. It was defined at the time. The Militia was every able bodied free man.
Trained in the discipline of firearms
There is no appeal to ignorance of the Laws of Government.

10 U.S. Code § 246.Militia: composition and classes

In other words, you want to wallow in your own stupidity
 
yes it's very clear shall not be infringed
Yes, well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

"(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53." United States Supreme Court HOLDING in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
Thanks for citing the error in that opinion.

There is no one who is unconnected with the militia, only militia service well regulated. Our Second Amendment is clear in Any conflict of law.
Why do you believe the government needs a second amendment right?
It is due to our federal form of Government. The several States of our Union are sovereign within their jurisdiction, with the general Government handling inter-State and inter-national stuff.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

The individual Right to keep and bear Arms and the militia are two separate and distinct issues.
 

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