400 years of Slavery?

[francoHFW]

Yep it is just coincidence that everyone decided to be lazy and make bad decisions the last 35 years while the GOP cut taxes on the rich and services for the non rich LOL!

it's true....they are usually victims of bad decisions like:
having kids you can't afford
not finishing high school is a big one
committing a crime
spending $$$$ you don't have
etc

Yep it's all their fault LOL. Has nothing to do with GOP cutting Aid 2 colleges, training programs 4 technical jobs, infrastructure, keeping minimum wage ridiculously low, and by the way two huge bubbles and busts in the last 35 years. But the mega rich GOP idiots and lobbyists are in Bliss. All the GOP has is bulshit propaganda, super duper.

Bitch, bitch, bitch, whine, excuses.

Those are called facts in the real world. Which you fools don't inhabit, superdupe.

please provide those ''facts''' hahahhhahahhah

See last post, dumbass Dupe.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The woman was threatened and sued the people who threatened her, and that has nothing to do with racial victimization. She did not allow herself to be a victim.

The only false narrative here is your bullcrap excuses for many people of color who fail to thrive in America. There are as many, or more, white people who fail to thrive, and many of them claim they are victims of the wealthy elites. In actuality, They are mostly all victims of their own bad decisions in life.

Yep it is just coincidence that everyone decided to be lazy and make bad decisions the last 35 years while the GOP cut taxes on the rich and services for the non rich LOL!

Who said it was a coincidence? I personally blame deliberate and malicious brainwashing on the part of leftists like you.

Would you like to ask for a show of hands of everyone who agrees with that assessment?

And they will all be misinformed dupes like you. Everyone in the world knows it but you GOP Chumps. Around the world there are journalists and then bought off GOP politicians and pundits. How are the Hillary and Obama prosecutions coming, super duper?

I have little interest in what "everyone knows", Chuckles. I'm well-aware of just how much "everyone knows" that's not actually true. And while you have to struggle just to aspire to normal levels of ignorance, I have actually attained an education and the ability to think independently (probably because I didn't waste my time and energy sniveling about how "oppressed" I was to have an excuse to be a loser).

How's that Trump impeachment coming? You work out a plan where Hillary STILL might become President yet?

Very few Democrats see that happening, Dupe. Lock her up was pure BS 4 25 years. Ditto all Obama scandals. All investigated no evidence, and no retractions from Fox Rush Etc. You are a brainwashed functional moron.

I am happily retired. As a Republican, you are shocked Democrats worry about other people and the country. Your party is a disaster and a disgrace.

Oh, I'm sorry. Were you talking?

 

[tinydancer]

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves” disinformation

To whom it may concern,

As you are aware, the Irish Central, Irish Examiner (since removed) and Scientific American (since revised) websites currently host articles about the allegedly “forgotten white Irish slaves.”

• Irish Central, “Irish are ‘the forgotten white slaves’ claims expert”, 27 March 2015
• Irish Central, “Irish roots in the Caribbean run deep”, 20 November 2015
• Irish Examiner, “100,000 Irish children sold for slavery during 1650s”, 29 January 2013 (update: article has been removed without explanation)
• Scientific American, “It’s True: We’re Probably All a Little Irish — Especially in the Caribbean”, 17 March 2015 (update: article has been revised with explanation)

The Irish Central and Irish Examiner articles quoted extensively from an op-ed article published on the “Global Research” website based in Canada. This website supports the 9/11 Truther movement and its “Irish slaves” article, apparently authored by John Martin for opednews.com, is an exercise in racist ahistorical propaganda. The Scientific American blog used an older and equally ahistorical article from a Kavanagh family genealogy site. This blog post entitled “Irish slaves in Caribbean” was evidently an important source for the “Global Research” article.

It is imperative that newspapers and scientific journals aim for truth and accuracy in everything they publish. It is thus our duty, as historians, scholars and interested parties, to inform your shareholders and your customers that you have failed to carry out any semblance of fact-checking on this particular article. More damaging still is that your promotion of it, for a number of years, has added a veneer of credibility to what is a well known white nationalist conspiracy theory more commonly found on Neo-Nazi and Neo-Confederate forums.

Journalism and scholarly historical research differ in various ways but they share one thing in common. If they are not based on reliable sources, they are worthless. Readers who may not be privy to the source of the information will likely take it at face value. Sometimes, the result is merely misinformation, but more dangerously, it can be used disingenuously to propagate a political myth. Scholarly articles undergo a process of peer review to make sure that they are evidence based and accurate. We do not expect newspapers to exercise the same level of rigour but a degree of common sense is called for since lifting material from such websites, which have no sources and are written by an unknown author, is poor journalistic practice.

Furthermore we are deeply disturbed to find that the Irish Central article (shared on social media over 150,000 times) asserts in its headline that this “Irish slaves” disinformation comes from an “expert” source. What underlines this baseless claim is the fact that every single line of the quoted article is a distortion, or a fabrication or an egregious exaggeration. We will not go through the inaccuracy of each line here, that is your responsibility,
but we will ask you two questions. Do you, the editors of Irish Central and the Irish Examiner (update: now withdrawn) stand over the claim that an “Irish Slave Trade” was abolished in 1839? Or that “Irish slaves”, not enslaved Africans, were the victims of the Zong Massacre?

The intent of the article is thus patently clear; to insidiously equate indentured servitude or penal servitude with racialised perpetual hereditary chattel slavery. This is an obscene rhetorical move which decontextualises and dehistoricises the exploitation of both groups. There have been many different forms of slavery, across space and time. That is not the issue here. We are addressing the mainstream endorsement of a growing white nationalist campaign built on the reductionist fallacy of “slavery is slavery” which is inevitably used to justify racism in the present. For example, the spurious “we went through the same thing, but we don’t complain” sentiment which is now frequently deployed to silence debate and to mock demands for justice and truth-telling.

This has little to do with remembering the brutality of indentured servitude and all to do with the minimisation of the scale, duration and legacy of the transatlantic and intercolonial slave trade. The racist contemporary application of such bad history can be observed spreading like a virus across social media on an hourly basis.

Thus your mainstream endorsement of this distorted version of history has consequences. We therefore call on you to revise these articles, to correct the errors and to remove the false claims.

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves”…

Another opinion piece.

 

[francoHFW]

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

Would you like to debate the Proclamation of the King in 1625? Too freaking funny. The proof are in the historical records that the British sold the Irish as if genocide wasn't enough.

Cripes. There was more than African slavery. That's truth. Well, unless you have an agenda. Right? You just ignore a Proclamation from the throne and actual sales records.

Pfffffffffft.



"The Proclamation of 1625 by James II made it official policy that all Irish political prisoners be transported to the West Indies and sold to English planters. Soon Irish slaves were the majority of slaves in the English colonies.

In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas."

The slavers were so full of zest that they sometimes grabbed non-Irishmen. On March 25, 1659, a petition was received in London claiming that 72 Englishmen were wrongly sold as slaves in Barbados, along with 200 Frenchmen and 7-8,000 Scots."

More at link if you actually want to learn true history.

The Irish Slave Trade – The Slaves That Time Forgot

How about the Irish not being able to to own land 4 hundreds of years and being starve d during the famine? Etc etc. What they did to political opponents is no surprise.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves” disinformation

To whom it may concern,

As you are aware, the Irish Central, Irish Examiner (since removed) and Scientific American (since revised) websites currently host articles about the allegedly “forgotten white Irish slaves.”

• Irish Central, “Irish are ‘the forgotten white slaves’ claims expert”, 27 March 2015
• Irish Central, “Irish roots in the Caribbean run deep”, 20 November 2015
• Irish Examiner, “100,000 Irish children sold for slavery during 1650s”, 29 January 2013 (update: article has been removed without explanation)
• Scientific American, “It’s True: We’re Probably All a Little Irish — Especially in the Caribbean”, 17 March 2015 (update: article has been revised with explanation)

The Irish Central and Irish Examiner articles quoted extensively from an op-ed article published on the “Global Research” website based in Canada. This website supports the 9/11 Truther movement and its “Irish slaves” article, apparently authored by John Martin for opednews.com, is an exercise in racist ahistorical propaganda. The Scientific American blog used an older and equally ahistorical article from a Kavanagh family genealogy site. This blog post entitled “Irish slaves in Caribbean” was evidently an important source for the “Global Research” article.

It is imperative that newspapers and scientific journals aim for truth and accuracy in everything they publish. It is thus our duty, as historians, scholars and interested parties, to inform your shareholders and your customers that you have failed to carry out any semblance of fact-checking on this particular article. More damaging still is that your promotion of it, for a number of years, has added a veneer of credibility to what is a well known white nationalist conspiracy theory more commonly found on Neo-Nazi and Neo-Confederate forums.

Journalism and scholarly historical research differ in various ways but they share one thing in common. If they are not based on reliable sources, they are worthless. Readers who may not be privy to the source of the information will likely take it at face value. Sometimes, the result is merely misinformation, but more dangerously, it can be used disingenuously to propagate a political myth. Scholarly articles undergo a process of peer review to make sure that they are evidence based and accurate. We do not expect newspapers to exercise the same level of rigour but a degree of common sense is called for since lifting material from such websites, which have no sources and are written by an unknown author, is poor journalistic practice.

Furthermore we are deeply disturbed to find that the Irish Central article (shared on social media over 150,000 times) asserts in its headline that this “Irish slaves” disinformation comes from an “expert” source. What underlines this baseless claim is the fact that every single line of the quoted article is a distortion, or a fabrication or an egregious exaggeration. We will not go through the inaccuracy of each line here, that is your responsibility,
but we will ask you two questions. Do you, the editors of Irish Central and the Irish Examiner (update: now withdrawn) stand over the claim that an “Irish Slave Trade” was abolished in 1839? Or that “Irish slaves”, not enslaved Africans, were the victims of the Zong Massacre?

The intent of the article is thus patently clear; to insidiously equate indentured servitude or penal servitude with racialised perpetual hereditary chattel slavery. This is an obscene rhetorical move which decontextualises and dehistoricises the exploitation of both groups. There have been many different forms of slavery, across space and time. That is not the issue here. We are addressing the mainstream endorsement of a growing white nationalist campaign built on the reductionist fallacy of “slavery is slavery” which is inevitably used to justify racism in the present. For example, the spurious “we went through the same thing, but we don’t complain” sentiment which is now frequently deployed to silence debate and to mock demands for justice and truth-telling.

This has little to do with remembering the brutality of indentured servitude and all to do with the minimisation of the scale, duration and legacy of the transatlantic and intercolonial slave trade. The racist contemporary application of such bad history can be observed spreading like a virus across social media on an hourly basis.

Thus your mainstream endorsement of this distorted version of history has consequences. We therefore call on you to revise these articles, to correct the errors and to remove the false claims.

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves”…

Another opinion piece.

By the same guy as the first one, FYI. Like I said, IM found one guy to say what he wanted to hear, and glued himself to the guy's ass.

 

[Cecilie1200]

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

Would you like to debate the Proclamation of the King in 1625? Too freaking funny. The proof are in the historical records that the British sold the Irish as if genocide wasn't enough.

Cripes. There was more than African slavery. That's truth. Well, unless you have an agenda. Right? You just ignore a Proclamation from the throne and actual sales records.

Pfffffffffft.



"The Proclamation of 1625 by James II made it official policy that all Irish political prisoners be transported to the West Indies and sold to English planters. Soon Irish slaves were the majority of slaves in the English colonies.

In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas."

The slavers were so full of zest that they sometimes grabbed non-Irishmen. On March 25, 1659, a petition was received in London claiming that 72 Englishmen were wrongly sold as slaves in Barbados, along with 200 Frenchmen and 7-8,000 Scots."

More at link if you actually want to learn true history.

The Irish Slave Trade – The Slaves That Time Forgot

How about the Irish not being able to to own land 4 hundreds of years and being starve d during the famine? Etc etc. What they did too political opponents is no surprise.

How about it? Did you have a point here?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves” disinformation

To whom it may concern,

As you are aware, the Irish Central, Irish Examiner (since removed) and Scientific American (since revised) websites currently host articles about the allegedly “forgotten white Irish slaves.”

• Irish Central, “Irish are ‘the forgotten white slaves’ claims expert”, 27 March 2015
• Irish Central, “Irish roots in the Caribbean run deep”, 20 November 2015
• Irish Examiner, “100,000 Irish children sold for slavery during 1650s”, 29 January 2013 (update: article has been removed without explanation)
• Scientific American, “It’s True: We’re Probably All a Little Irish — Especially in the Caribbean”, 17 March 2015 (update: article has been revised with explanation)

The Irish Central and Irish Examiner articles quoted extensively from an op-ed article published on the “Global Research” website based in Canada. This website supports the 9/11 Truther movement and its “Irish slaves” article, apparently authored by John Martin for opednews.com, is an exercise in racist ahistorical propaganda. The Scientific American blog used an older and equally ahistorical article from a Kavanagh family genealogy site. This blog post entitled “Irish slaves in Caribbean” was evidently an important source for the “Global Research” article.

It is imperative that newspapers and scientific journals aim for truth and accuracy in everything they publish. It is thus our duty, as historians, scholars and interested parties, to inform your shareholders and your customers that you have failed to carry out any semblance of fact-checking on this particular article. More damaging still is that your promotion of it, for a number of years, has added a veneer of credibility to what is a well known white nationalist conspiracy theory more commonly found on Neo-Nazi and Neo-Confederate forums.

Journalism and scholarly historical research differ in various ways but they share one thing in common. If they are not based on reliable sources, they are worthless. Readers who may not be privy to the source of the information will likely take it at face value. Sometimes, the result is merely misinformation, but more dangerously, it can be used disingenuously to propagate a political myth. Scholarly articles undergo a process of peer review to make sure that they are evidence based and accurate. We do not expect newspapers to exercise the same level of rigour but a degree of common sense is called for since lifting material from such websites, which have no sources and are written by an unknown author, is poor journalistic practice.

Furthermore we are deeply disturbed to find that the Irish Central article (shared on social media over 150,000 times) asserts in its headline that this “Irish slaves” disinformation comes from an “expert” source. What underlines this baseless claim is the fact that every single line of the quoted article is a distortion, or a fabrication or an egregious exaggeration. We will not go through the inaccuracy of each line here, that is your responsibility,
but we will ask you two questions. Do you, the editors of Irish Central and the Irish Examiner (update: now withdrawn) stand over the claim that an “Irish Slave Trade” was abolished in 1839? Or that “Irish slaves”, not enslaved Africans, were the victims of the Zong Massacre?

The intent of the article is thus patently clear; to insidiously equate indentured servitude or penal servitude with racialised perpetual hereditary chattel slavery. This is an obscene rhetorical move which decontextualises and dehistoricises the exploitation of both groups. There have been many different forms of slavery, across space and time. That is not the issue here. We are addressing the mainstream endorsement of a growing white nationalist campaign built on the reductionist fallacy of “slavery is slavery” which is inevitably used to justify racism in the present. For example, the spurious “we went through the same thing, but we don’t complain” sentiment which is now frequently deployed to silence debate and to mock demands for justice and truth-telling.

This has little to do with remembering the brutality of indentured servitude and all to do with the minimisation of the scale, duration and legacy of the transatlantic and intercolonial slave trade. The racist contemporary application of such bad history can be observed spreading like a virus across social media on an hourly basis.

Thus your mainstream endorsement of this distorted version of history has consequences. We therefore call on you to revise these articles, to correct the errors and to remove the false claims.

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves”…

Another opinion piece.

I stopped reading his shit posts half way through the thread. He's nothing more than a grievance pimp. A washed up Jessie Jackson wannabe with a touch of Gloria Alread.

 

[harmonica]

The woman was threatened and sued the people who threatened her, and that has nothing to do with racial victimization. She did not allow herself to be a victim.

The only false narrative here is your bullcrap excuses for many people of color who fail to thrive in America. There are as many, or more, white people who fail to thrive, and many of them claim they are victims of the wealthy elites. In actuality, They are mostly all victims of their own bad decisions in life.

Yep it is just coincidence that everyone decided to be lazy and make bad decisions the last 35 years while the GOP cut taxes on the rich and services for the non rich LOL!

Who said it was a coincidence? I personally blame deliberate and malicious brainwashing on the part of leftists like you.

Would you like to ask for a show of hands of everyone who agrees with that assessment?

And they will all be misinformed dupes like you. Everyone in the world knows it but you GOP Chumps. Around the world there are journalists and then bought off GOP politicians and pundits. How are the Hillary and Obama prosecutions coming, super duper?

I have little interest in what "everyone knows", Chuckles. I'm well-aware of just how much "everyone knows" that's not actually true. And while you have to struggle just to aspire to normal levels of ignorance, I have actually attained an education and the ability to think independently (probably because I didn't waste my time and energy sniveling about how "oppressed" I was to have an excuse to be a loser).

How's that Trump impeachment coming? You work out a plan where Hillary STILL might become President yet?

Very few Democrats see that happening, Dupe. Lock her up was pure BS 4 25 years. Ditto all Obama scandals. All investigated no evidence, and no retractions from Fox Rush Etc. You are a brainwashed functional moron.

I am happily retired. As a Republican, you are shocked Democrats worry about other people and the country. Your party is a disaster and a disgrace.

the Dems party is for criminals/illegals/criminality
Hillary:

We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility,” she said of white people. “Imagine what it would be like to sit our son or daughter down and have the talk about how carefully they need to act around police.”

‘Madness Has to Stop,’ Hillary Clinton Declares at N.A.A.C.P. Conference

Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/
blacks murder cops at much higher rates than whites
Table 44

there are around 30 million calls for police assistance per year--not counting traffic stops
and about 900 police shooting deaths--not all are black deaths-can you do the math?
etc etc
there is NOT a major, chronic problem of police shooting blacks

the problem is blacks making it a major, chronic problem--concentrating on that, and not the real problems

 

[francoHFW]

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

Would you like to debate the Proclamation of the King in 1625? Too freaking funny. The proof are in the historical records that the British sold the Irish as if genocide wasn't enough.

Cripes. There was more than African slavery. That's truth. Well, unless you have an agenda. Right? You just ignore a Proclamation from the throne and actual sales records.

Pfffffffffft.



"The Proclamation of 1625 by James II made it official policy that all Irish political prisoners be transported to the West Indies and sold to English planters. Soon Irish slaves were the majority of slaves in the English colonies.

In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas."

The slavers were so full of zest that they sometimes grabbed non-Irishmen. On March 25, 1659, a petition was received in London claiming that 72 Englishmen were wrongly sold as slaves in Barbados, along with 200 Frenchmen and 7-8,000 Scots."

More at link if you actually want to learn true history.

The Irish Slave Trade – The Slaves That Time Forgot

How about the Irish not being able to to own land 4 hundreds of years and being starve d during the famine? Etc etc. What they did too political opponents is no surprise.

How about it? Did you have a point here?

I don't see any argument in this thread. LOL

 

[tinydancer]

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves” disinformation

To whom it may concern,

As you are aware, the Irish Central, Irish Examiner (since removed) and Scientific American (since revised) websites currently host articles about the allegedly “forgotten white Irish slaves.”

• Irish Central, “Irish are ‘the forgotten white slaves’ claims expert”, 27 March 2015
• Irish Central, “Irish roots in the Caribbean run deep”, 20 November 2015
• Irish Examiner, “100,000 Irish children sold for slavery during 1650s”, 29 January 2013 (update: article has been removed without explanation)
• Scientific American, “It’s True: We’re Probably All a Little Irish — Especially in the Caribbean”, 17 March 2015 (update: article has been revised with explanation)

The Irish Central and Irish Examiner articles quoted extensively from an op-ed article published on the “Global Research” website based in Canada. This website supports the 9/11 Truther movement and its “Irish slaves” article, apparently authored by John Martin for opednews.com, is an exercise in racist ahistorical propaganda. The Scientific American blog used an older and equally ahistorical article from a Kavanagh family genealogy site. This blog post entitled “Irish slaves in Caribbean” was evidently an important source for the “Global Research” article.

It is imperative that newspapers and scientific journals aim for truth and accuracy in everything they publish. It is thus our duty, as historians, scholars and interested parties, to inform your shareholders and your customers that you have failed to carry out any semblance of fact-checking on this particular article. More damaging still is that your promotion of it, for a number of years, has added a veneer of credibility to what is a well known white nationalist conspiracy theory more commonly found on Neo-Nazi and Neo-Confederate forums.

Journalism and scholarly historical research differ in various ways but they share one thing in common. If they are not based on reliable sources, they are worthless. Readers who may not be privy to the source of the information will likely take it at face value. Sometimes, the result is merely misinformation, but more dangerously, it can be used disingenuously to propagate a political myth. Scholarly articles undergo a process of peer review to make sure that they are evidence based and accurate. We do not expect newspapers to exercise the same level of rigour but a degree of common sense is called for since lifting material from such websites, which have no sources and are written by an unknown author, is poor journalistic practice.

Furthermore we are deeply disturbed to find that the Irish Central article (shared on social media over 150,000 times) asserts in its headline that this “Irish slaves” disinformation comes from an “expert” source. What underlines this baseless claim is the fact that every single line of the quoted article is a distortion, or a fabrication or an egregious exaggeration. We will not go through the inaccuracy of each line here, that is your responsibility,
but we will ask you two questions. Do you, the editors of Irish Central and the Irish Examiner (update: now withdrawn) stand over the claim that an “Irish Slave Trade” was abolished in 1839? Or that “Irish slaves”, not enslaved Africans, were the victims of the Zong Massacre?

The intent of the article is thus patently clear; to insidiously equate indentured servitude or penal servitude with racialised perpetual hereditary chattel slavery. This is an obscene rhetorical move which decontextualises and dehistoricises the exploitation of both groups. There have been many different forms of slavery, across space and time. That is not the issue here. We are addressing the mainstream endorsement of a growing white nationalist campaign built on the reductionist fallacy of “slavery is slavery” which is inevitably used to justify racism in the present. For example, the spurious “we went through the same thing, but we don’t complain” sentiment which is now frequently deployed to silence debate and to mock demands for justice and truth-telling.

This has little to do with remembering the brutality of indentured servitude and all to do with the minimisation of the scale, duration and legacy of the transatlantic and intercolonial slave trade. The racist contemporary application of such bad history can be observed spreading like a virus across social media on an hourly basis.

Thus your mainstream endorsement of this distorted version of history has consequences. We therefore call on you to revise these articles, to correct the errors and to remove the false claims.

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves”…

Another opinion piece.

By the same guy as the first one, FYI. Like I said, IM found one guy to say what he wanted to hear, and glued himself to the guy's ass.

I've come to believe that those that attempt to deny that any other peoples other than African were ever enslaved have a "black lives only matter" mentality. And slavery only counts if the slave is of color.

Sheesh.

 

[tinydancer]

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves” disinformation

To whom it may concern,

As you are aware, the Irish Central, Irish Examiner (since removed) and Scientific American (since revised) websites currently host articles about the allegedly “forgotten white Irish slaves.”

• Irish Central, “Irish are ‘the forgotten white slaves’ claims expert”, 27 March 2015
• Irish Central, “Irish roots in the Caribbean run deep”, 20 November 2015
• Irish Examiner, “100,000 Irish children sold for slavery during 1650s”, 29 January 2013 (update: article has been removed without explanation)
• Scientific American, “It’s True: We’re Probably All a Little Irish — Especially in the Caribbean”, 17 March 2015 (update: article has been revised with explanation)

The Irish Central and Irish Examiner articles quoted extensively from an op-ed article published on the “Global Research” website based in Canada. This website supports the 9/11 Truther movement and its “Irish slaves” article, apparently authored by John Martin for opednews.com, is an exercise in racist ahistorical propaganda. The Scientific American blog used an older and equally ahistorical article from a Kavanagh family genealogy site. This blog post entitled “Irish slaves in Caribbean” was evidently an important source for the “Global Research” article.

It is imperative that newspapers and scientific journals aim for truth and accuracy in everything they publish. It is thus our duty, as historians, scholars and interested parties, to inform your shareholders and your customers that you have failed to carry out any semblance of fact-checking on this particular article. More damaging still is that your promotion of it, for a number of years, has added a veneer of credibility to what is a well known white nationalist conspiracy theory more commonly found on Neo-Nazi and Neo-Confederate forums.

Journalism and scholarly historical research differ in various ways but they share one thing in common. If they are not based on reliable sources, they are worthless. Readers who may not be privy to the source of the information will likely take it at face value. Sometimes, the result is merely misinformation, but more dangerously, it can be used disingenuously to propagate a political myth. Scholarly articles undergo a process of peer review to make sure that they are evidence based and accurate. We do not expect newspapers to exercise the same level of rigour but a degree of common sense is called for since lifting material from such websites, which have no sources and are written by an unknown author, is poor journalistic practice.

Furthermore we are deeply disturbed to find that the Irish Central article (shared on social media over 150,000 times) asserts in its headline that this “Irish slaves” disinformation comes from an “expert” source. What underlines this baseless claim is the fact that every single line of the quoted article is a distortion, or a fabrication or an egregious exaggeration. We will not go through the inaccuracy of each line here, that is your responsibility,
but we will ask you two questions. Do you, the editors of Irish Central and the Irish Examiner (update: now withdrawn) stand over the claim that an “Irish Slave Trade” was abolished in 1839? Or that “Irish slaves”, not enslaved Africans, were the victims of the Zong Massacre?

The intent of the article is thus patently clear; to insidiously equate indentured servitude or penal servitude with racialised perpetual hereditary chattel slavery. This is an obscene rhetorical move which decontextualises and dehistoricises the exploitation of both groups. There have been many different forms of slavery, across space and time. That is not the issue here. We are addressing the mainstream endorsement of a growing white nationalist campaign built on the reductionist fallacy of “slavery is slavery” which is inevitably used to justify racism in the present. For example, the spurious “we went through the same thing, but we don’t complain” sentiment which is now frequently deployed to silence debate and to mock demands for justice and truth-telling.

This has little to do with remembering the brutality of indentured servitude and all to do with the minimisation of the scale, duration and legacy of the transatlantic and intercolonial slave trade. The racist contemporary application of such bad history can be observed spreading like a virus across social media on an hourly basis.

Thus your mainstream endorsement of this distorted version of history has consequences. We therefore call on you to revise these articles, to correct the errors and to remove the false claims.

Open letter to Irish Central, Irish Examiner and Scientific American about their “Irish slaves”…

Another opinion piece.

I stopped reading his shit posts half way through the thread. He's nothing more than a grievance pimp. A washed up Jessie Jackson wannabe with a touch of Gloria Alread.

I literally lol'ed on the "touch of Gloria Alred". Too funny.

 

[harmonica]

it's true....they are usually victims of bad decisions like:
having kids you can't afford
not finishing high school is a big one
committing a crime
spending $$$$ you don't have
etc

Yep it's all their fault LOL. Has nothing to do with GOP cutting Aid 2 colleges, training programs 4 technical jobs, infrastructure, keeping minimum wage ridiculously low, and by the way two huge bubbles and busts in the last 35 years. But the mega rich GOP idiots and lobbyists are in Bliss. All the GOP has is bulshit propaganda, super duper.

Bitch, bitch, bitch, whine, excuses.

Those are called facts in the real world. Which you fools don't inhabit, superdupe.

please provide those ''facts''' hahahhhahahhah

See last post, dumbass Dupe.

post # 299?? there are no links/evidence/documentation = no facts
where is your proof of your claims in that post?? no proof = crap

 

[francoHFW]

Yep it is just coincidence that everyone decided to be lazy and make bad decisions the last 35 years while the GOP cut taxes on the rich and services for the non rich LOL!

Who said it was a coincidence? I personally blame deliberate and malicious brainwashing on the part of leftists like you.

Would you like to ask for a show of hands of everyone who agrees with that assessment?

And they will all be misinformed dupes like you. Everyone in the world knows it but you GOP Chumps. Around the world there are journalists and then bought off GOP politicians and pundits. How are the Hillary and Obama prosecutions coming, super duper?

I have little interest in what "everyone knows", Chuckles. I'm well-aware of just how much "everyone knows" that's not actually true. And while you have to struggle just to aspire to normal levels of ignorance, I have actually attained an education and the ability to think independently (probably because I didn't waste my time and energy sniveling about how "oppressed" I was to have an excuse to be a loser).

How's that Trump impeachment coming? You work out a plan where Hillary STILL might become President yet?

Very few Democrats see that happening, Dupe. Lock her up was pure BS 4 25 years. Ditto all Obama scandals. All investigated no evidence, and no retractions from Fox Rush Etc. You are a brainwashed functional moron.

I am happily retired. As a Republican, you are shocked Democrats worry about other people and the country. Your party is a disaster and a disgrace.

the Dems party is for criminals/illegals/criminality
Hillary:

We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility,” she said of white people. “Imagine what it would be like to sit our son or daughter down and have the talk about how carefully they need to act around police.”

‘Madness Has to Stop,’ Hillary Clinton Declares at N.A.A.C.P. Conference

Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/
blacks murder cops at much higher rates than whites
Table 44

there are around 30 million calls for police assistance per year--not counting traffic stops
and about 900 police shooting deaths--not all are black deaths-can you do the math?
etc etc
there is NOT a major, chronic problem of police shooting blacks

the problem is blacks making it a major, chronic problem--concentrating on that, and not the real problems

Yep, according 2 GOP voters, everything is the Fault of minorities. You are a brainwashed joke. Unfortunately you have ruined the country the last 35 years. And the world! Great job. Your Rich idiots and lobbyists and Liars are so pleased.

 

[harmonica]

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

Would you like to debate the Proclamation of the King in 1625? Too freaking funny. The proof are in the historical records that the British sold the Irish as if genocide wasn't enough.

Cripes. There was more than African slavery. That's truth. Well, unless you have an agenda. Right? You just ignore a Proclamation from the throne and actual sales records.

Pfffffffffft.



"The Proclamation of 1625 by James II made it official policy that all Irish political prisoners be transported to the West Indies and sold to English planters. Soon Irish slaves were the majority of slaves in the English colonies.

In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas."

The slavers were so full of zest that they sometimes grabbed non-Irishmen. On March 25, 1659, a petition was received in London claiming that 72 Englishmen were wrongly sold as slaves in Barbados, along with 200 Frenchmen and 7-8,000 Scots."

More at link if you actually want to learn true history.

The Irish Slave Trade – The Slaves That Time Forgot

How about the Irish not being able to to own land 4 hundreds of years and being starve d during the famine? Etc etc. What they did too political opponents is no surprise.

How about it? Did you have a point here?

I don't see any argument in this thread. LOL

I see ...hahahahha you provide ZERO evidence and I provide evidence
so your posts are worthless crap

 

[Cecilie1200]

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

Would you like to debate the Proclamation of the King in 1625? Too freaking funny. The proof are in the historical records that the British sold the Irish as if genocide wasn't enough.

Cripes. There was more than African slavery. That's truth. Well, unless you have an agenda. Right? You just ignore a Proclamation from the throne and actual sales records.

Pfffffffffft.



"The Proclamation of 1625 by James II made it official policy that all Irish political prisoners be transported to the West Indies and sold to English planters. Soon Irish slaves were the majority of slaves in the English colonies.

In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas."

The slavers were so full of zest that they sometimes grabbed non-Irishmen. On March 25, 1659, a petition was received in London claiming that 72 Englishmen were wrongly sold as slaves in Barbados, along with 200 Frenchmen and 7-8,000 Scots."

More at link if you actually want to learn true history.

The Irish Slave Trade – The Slaves That Time Forgot

How about the Irish not being able to to own land 4 hundreds of years and being starve d during the famine? Etc etc. What they did too political opponents is no surprise.

How about it? Did you have a point here?

I don't see any argument in this thread. LOL

That's because you're an illiterate primate. LOL

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

We can pretty much trust than any discussion of slavery here will end up in a spirited debate about Irish slaves. This was indentured servitude and it was not slavery.

Would you like to debate the Proclamation of the King in 1625? Too freaking funny. The proof are in the historical records that the British sold the Irish as if genocide wasn't enough.

Cripes. There was more than African slavery. That's truth. Well, unless you have an agenda. Right? You just ignore a Proclamation from the throne and actual sales records.

Pfffffffffft.



"The Proclamation of 1625 by James II made it official policy that all Irish political prisoners be transported to the West Indies and sold to English planters. Soon Irish slaves were the majority of slaves in the English colonies.

In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas."

The slavers were so full of zest that they sometimes grabbed non-Irishmen. On March 25, 1659, a petition was received in London claiming that 72 Englishmen were wrongly sold as slaves in Barbados, along with 200 Frenchmen and 7-8,000 Scots."

More at link if you actually want to learn true history.

The Irish Slave Trade – The Slaves That Time Forgot

How about the Irish not being able to to own land 4 hundreds of years and being starve d during the famine? Etc etc. What they did too political opponents is no surprise.

How about it? Did you have a point here?

I don't see any argument in this thread. LOL

I see ...hahahahha you provide ZERO evidence and I provide evidence
so your posts are worthless crap

Franco claims to have been a professor of you can believe it!

I used to mock him as a liar but then I saw a video of some leftist loons that actually were considered professors.

I guess I may as well call myself a microbiologist eh

 

[francoHFW]

Yep it's all their fault LOL. Has nothing to do with GOP cutting Aid 2 colleges, training programs 4 technical jobs, infrastructure, keeping minimum wage ridiculously low, and by the way two huge bubbles and busts in the last 35 years. But the mega rich GOP idiots and lobbyists are in Bliss. All the GOP has is bulshit propaganda, super duper.

Bitch, bitch, bitch, whine, excuses.

Those are called facts in the real world. Which you fools don't inhabit, superdupe.

please provide those ''facts''' hahahhhahahhah

See last post, dumbass Dupe.

post # 299?? there are no links/evidence/documentation = no facts
where is your proof of your claims in that post?? no proof = crap

Read something for crying out loud LOL. The minimum wage everywhere else is a living wage. Modern countries of course before you go off on that stupid GOP tangent...

 

[harmonica]

Who said it was a coincidence? I personally blame deliberate and malicious brainwashing on the part of leftists like you.

Would you like to ask for a show of hands of everyone who agrees with that assessment?

And they will all be misinformed dupes like you. Everyone in the world knows it but you GOP Chumps. Around the world there are journalists and then bought off GOP politicians and pundits. How are the Hillary and Obama prosecutions coming, super duper?

I have little interest in what "everyone knows", Chuckles. I'm well-aware of just how much "everyone knows" that's not actually true. And while you have to struggle just to aspire to normal levels of ignorance, I have actually attained an education and the ability to think independently (probably because I didn't waste my time and energy sniveling about how "oppressed" I was to have an excuse to be a loser).

How's that Trump impeachment coming? You work out a plan where Hillary STILL might become President yet?

Very few Democrats see that happening, Dupe. Lock her up was pure BS 4 25 years. Ditto all Obama scandals. All investigated no evidence, and no retractions from Fox Rush Etc. You are a brainwashed functional moron.

I am happily retired. As a Republican, you are shocked Democrats worry about other people and the country. Your party is a disaster and a disgrace.

the Dems party is for criminals/illegals/criminality
Hillary:

We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility,” she said of white people. “Imagine what it would be like to sit our son or daughter down and have the talk about how carefully they need to act around police.”

‘Madness Has to Stop,’ Hillary Clinton Declares at N.A.A.C.P. Conference

Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/
blacks murder cops at much higher rates than whites
Table 44

there are around 30 million calls for police assistance per year--not counting traffic stops
and about 900 police shooting deaths--not all are black deaths-can you do the math?
etc etc
there is NOT a major, chronic problem of police shooting blacks

the problem is blacks making it a major, chronic problem--concentrating on that, and not the real problems

Yep, according 2 GOP voters, everything is the Fault of minorities. You are a brainwashed joke. Unfortunately you have ruined the country the last 35 years. And the world! Great job. Your Rich idiots and lobbyists and Liars are so pleased.

no links/documentation/proof ---
you are what's known as an amateur ....
you spew crap and can't back it up
there are many on USMB like that

 

[harmonica]

Bitch, bitch, bitch, whine, excuses.

Those are called facts in the real world. Which you fools don't inhabit, superdupe.

please provide those ''facts''' hahahhhahahhah

See last post, dumbass Dupe.

post # 299?? there are no links/evidence/documentation = no facts
where is your proof of your claims in that post?? no proof = crap

Read something for crying out loud LOL. The minimum wage everywhere else is a living wage. Modern countries of course before you go off on that stupid GOP tangent...

that's is some undeniable proof you got there !!WOW!!!

 

[harmonica]

Would you like to debate the Proclamation of the King in 1625? Too freaking funny. The proof are in the historical records that the British sold the Irish as if genocide wasn't enough.

Cripes. There was more than African slavery. That's truth. Well, unless you have an agenda. Right? You just ignore a Proclamation from the throne and actual sales records.

Pfffffffffft.



"The Proclamation of 1625 by James II made it official policy that all Irish political prisoners be transported to the West Indies and sold to English planters. Soon Irish slaves were the majority of slaves in the English colonies.

In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas."

The slavers were so full of zest that they sometimes grabbed non-Irishmen. On March 25, 1659, a petition was received in London claiming that 72 Englishmen were wrongly sold as slaves in Barbados, along with 200 Frenchmen and 7-8,000 Scots."

More at link if you actually want to learn true history.

The Irish Slave Trade – The Slaves That Time Forgot

How about the Irish not being able to to own land 4 hundreds of years and being starve d during the famine? Etc etc. What they did too political opponents is no surprise.

How about it? Did you have a point here?

I don't see any argument in this thread. LOL

I see ...hahahahha you provide ZERO evidence and I provide evidence
so your posts are worthless crap

Franco claims to have been a professor of you can believe it!

I used to mock him as a liar but then I saw a video of some leftist loons that actually were considered professors.

I guess I may as well call myself a microbiologist eh

I know--a professor of African American studies hahahahhahaha
they seem to graduate at that well, but not math/reading/science/common sense/etc