Billo_Really
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And this year?
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5 atheletes that mean more to New England than To Brady!
- Thread starter Billo_Really
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toobfreak
Tungsten/Glass Member
And this year?
He retired last year. Then came back for one last shot. If he gets hit by a car tomorrow, his record will still always be the best of any QB that ever lived.
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
- Thread starter
- #23
I'm sorry, he doesn't pass the eye test!He retired last year. Then came back for one last shot. If he gets hit by a car tomorrow, his record will still always be the best of any QB that ever lived.
Concerned American
Diamond Member
Non sequitur, moron. Just admit you had your ass handed to you and move along.I'm sorry, he doesn't pass the eye test!
toobfreak
Tungsten/Glass Member
I'm sorry, he doesn't pass the eye test!
Joe Biden says you don't pass the SNIFF test.
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
- Thread starter
- #26
Is he a better passer than Dan Marino? Fuck no! Does he have a stronger arm than John Elway? Obviously, not. Is he a better floor general than Joe Montana? No way! Is he a better 2 minute quarterback than Ken Stabler? Nope! Prosecution resistance, Your Honor!Non sequitur, moron. Just admit you had your ass handed to you and move along.
Concerned American
Diamond Member
Maybe you should get an eye test or learn to read:Is he a better passer than Dan Marino? Fuck no! Does he have a stronger arm than John Elway? Obviously, not. Is he a better floor general than Joe Montana? No way! Is he a better 2 minute quarterback than Ken Stabler? Nope! Prosecution resistance, Your Honor!
Regular season
- Most games won by a player: 246[67]
- Most games played by a non-kicker: 324
- Most games started by a skill position player: 322
- Oldest quarterback to start a game: 45 years, 2 months, and 13 days
- Fourth NFL player to beat all 32 teams
- Most seasons with 35+ touchdown passes: 6 (tied with Aaron Rodgers)[429]
- Most seasons with 40+ touchdown passes: 3 (tied with Aaron Rodgers)[430]
- One of two quarterbacks to have multiple 5,000 yard seasons
- Most games 2+ touchdown passes: 199
- Most games 3+ touchdown passes: 102
- Most games 4+ touchdown passes: 39
- Best QBR in a season: 87.0 (2007)[431]
- Best touchdown to interception ratio in a season: 28:2 (2016)[432]
- Most touchdown passes to different players: 91[433][434]
- Most wins on the road by a quarterback: 112[435]
- Most wins at home by a quarterback: 133[436]
- Most wins in one regular season by a quarterback: 16 (2007)
- Only quarterback to have three consecutive games with 300+ passing yards, 3+ touchdown passes and 0 interceptions[437]
- Most regular-season starts by player: 320[438]
- Oldest quarterback to lead the league in passing yards: 44 (5,316 yards: 2021)[439]
- Most yards in a single season for a quarterback aged 40 or older (age 44): 5,316[439]
- Oldest player to win NFL MVP: 40[82]
- Oldest position player to be named first-team All-Pro: 40[440]
- Most career passing yards with one team: 74,571[82]
- Most career passing yards: 86,172
- Most career passing touchdowns with one team: 541[441]
- Most Pro Bowl selections: 15[442]
- Most seasons quarterbacking for one team: 20[443]
- Most career pass completions: 7,429
- Most career passing attempts: 11,564
- Most career touchdown passes: 632
- Most seasons as passing touchdowns leader: 5[444]
- Most consecutive 10-win seasons as starting QB: 13
- Most consecutive 11-win seasons as starting QB: 12
- Most consecutive seasons on a team 9–7 or better: 21
- Most touchdown passes in a season as starting QB aged 40 or older: 43 (2021)[445]
- Only quarterback to have 40 passing touchdowns in a season in both the AFC (50; 2007) and the NFC (40; 2020)
- Most game-winning drives: 54 (tied with Peyton Manning)[446]
Playoffs
Super Bowl
New England Patriots franchise records
Tampa Bay Buccaneers franchise records
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Awards and honors
Brady is a seven-time Super Bowl champion, winning six titles with the New England Patriots, and one with the Tampa Bay BuccaneersNFL
- 7× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII, LV) (most for any individual player)
- 5× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI, LV) (all-time record)
- 9× AFC champion (2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011, 2014, 2016–2018)
- NFC champion (2020)
- 3× NFL MVP (2007, 2010, 2017)
- 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010)
- NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009)
- 3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017)
- 3× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016, 2021)
- 15× Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2018, 2021) (all-time record)
- NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
- NFL 2010s All-Decade Team
- NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team
- New England Patriots All-2000s Team
- New England Patriots 50th Anniversary Team
- New England Patriots All-2010s Team
- New England Patriots All-Dynasty Team
- 2007 Bert Bell Award
- 2021 FedEx Air NFL Player of The Year
toobfreak
Tungsten/Glass Member
Is he a better passer than Dan Marino? Does he have a stronger arm than John Elway? Is he a better floor general than Joe Montana? Is he a better 2 minute quarterback than Ken Stabler?
Did Dan Marino ever win even one Super Bowl, Ace? I rest my case.
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
- Thread starter
- #29
Your data dumps don't hold sway with me. I can name another 5 quarterbacks better than Tom Brady.Maybe you should get an eye test or learn to read:
Regular season
- Most games won by a player: 246[67]
- Most games played by a non-kicker: 324
- Most games started by a skill position player: 322
- Oldest quarterback to start a game: 45 years, 2 months, and 13 days
- Fourth NFL player to beat all 32 teams
- Most seasons with 35+ touchdown passes: 6 (tied with Aaron Rodgers)[429]
- Most seasons with 40+ touchdown passes: 3 (tied with Aaron Rodgers)[430]
- One of two quarterbacks to have multiple 5,000 yard seasons
- Most games 2+ touchdown passes: 199
- Most games 3+ touchdown passes: 102
- Most games 4+ touchdown passes: 39
- Best QBR in a season: 87.0 (2007)[431]
- Best touchdown to interception ratio in a season: 28:2 (2016)[432]
- Most touchdown passes to different players: 91[433][434]
- Most wins on the road by a quarterback: 112[435]
- Most wins at home by a quarterback: 133[436]
- Most wins in one regular season by a quarterback: 16 (2007)
- Only quarterback to have three consecutive games with 300+ passing yards, 3+ touchdown passes and 0 interceptions[437]
- Most regular-season starts by player: 320[438]
- Oldest quarterback to lead the league in passing yards: 44 (5,316 yards: 2021)[439]
- Most yards in a single season for a quarterback aged 40 or older (age 44): 5,316[439]
- Oldest player to win NFL MVP: 40[82]
- Oldest position player to be named first-team All-Pro: 40[440]
- Most career passing yards with one team: 74,571[82]
- Most career passing yards: 86,172
- Most career passing touchdowns with one team: 541[441]
- Most Pro Bowl selections: 15[442]
- Most seasons quarterbacking for one team: 20[443]
- Most career pass completions: 7,429
- Most career passing attempts: 11,564
- Most career touchdown passes: 632
- Most seasons as passing touchdowns leader: 5[444]
- Most consecutive 10-win seasons as starting QB: 13
- Most consecutive 11-win seasons as starting QB: 12
- Most consecutive seasons on a team 9–7 or better: 21
- Most touchdown passes in a season as starting QB aged 40 or older: 43 (2021)[445]
- Only quarterback to have 40 passing touchdowns in a season in both the AFC (50; 2007) and the NFC (40; 2020)
- Most game-winning drives: 54 (tied with Peyton Manning)[446]
Playoffs
- Most consecutive seasons in the NFL playoffs by a team, player or head coach: 13
- Most wins: 35
- Most games started: 47[447][448][449]
- Most starting quarterbacks beaten (QB): 28[450]
- Most teams beaten (QB): 19[450]
- Most stadiums won in (QB): 13[450]
- Most games won by a starting quarterback: 35[449]
- Most consecutive wins by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001–2005)
- Most postseason touchdown passes to different players: 34[451]
- Most postseason road wins by a quarterback: 7 (tied with Joe Flacco)[452]
- Oldest player to throw a touchdown pass (44 years, 5 months, 20 days)
- Most consecutive wins to start a career by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)
- Most career home wins by a starting quarterback: 21
- Most consecutive home wins by a starting quarterback: 9 (2013–2019)
- Most touchdown passes: 86[80]
- Most touchdown passes between a quarterback and receiver: 15 (with Rob Gronkowski)
- Most passing yards: 13,049[78]
- Most passing yards in a single playoff game: 505 (Super Bowl LII)[453]
- Most passes completed: 1,165[79]
- Most passes attempted: 1,855[79]
- Most passes intercepted: 39[454]
- Most division titles won by a starting quarterback: 18[449]
- Most NFL conference championship appearances by a starting quarterback: 14[455]
- Most NFL conference championship wins by a starting quarterback: 10[456]
- Oldest quarterback to win an AFC title game: 41 years, 5 months, 17 days
- Oldest quarterback to win an NFC title game: 43 years, 5 months, 21 days
- Most career 300+ passing yard games: 18[79]
- Most game-winning drives: 14[76]
- Most fourth-quarter comebacks: 9
- Most multi-TD pass games: 28[456]
Super Bowl
- Most NFL championships by player: 7
- Most championships in professional football history by a quarterback: 7 (tied with Otto Graham)[457]
- Is the only starting quarterback to win the Super Bowl for both the AFC and NFC
- Most Super Bowl MVPs: 5
- Is one of only two starting quarterbacks to win a Super Bowl for two separate teams (Peyton Manning)
- Most touchdown passes: 21[458]
- Most passing yards: 3,039[453]
- Most passes completed: 277[453]
- Most passes attempted: 421[453]
- Most passes completed in first half of a single Super Bowl: 20 (XLIX)[459]
- Most passes completed in a single Super Bowl: 43 (LI)[76]
- Most passes attempted in a single Super Bowl: 62 (LI)[76]
- Most passing yards in a single Super Bowl: 505 (LII)[453]
- Most Super Bowl appearances: 10[460]
- Most passing attempts without an interception in a single Super Bowl: 48 (XLII & LII)[461]
- Oldest QB to start a Super Bowl: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days[81]
- Oldest QB to win a Super Bowl: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days[81]
- Oldest player to win Super Bowl MVP: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days[462]
- Oldest QB from the AFC to start a Super Bowl: 41 years, 6 months, and 0 days[81]
- Oldest QB from the AFC to win a Super Bowl: 41 years, 6 months, and 0 days[81]
- Oldest player from the AFC to win Super Bowl MVP: 39 years, 6 months, and 2 days[462]
- Oldest QB from the NFC to start a Super Bowl: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days
- Oldest QB from the NFC to win a Super Bowl: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days
- Oldest player from the NFC to win Super Bowl MVP: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days
- Most consecutive completions in a single Super Bowl: 16 (XLVI)[461]
- Most game-winning drives: 6[463]
New England Patriots franchise records
- Games played (285)[464]
- Most seasons played (20)[464]
- Games won as starter (219)[464]
- Most games started (playoffs): 41[464]
- Passing yards, career (74,571)[465]
- Passing touchdowns, career (541)[465]
- Pass completions, career (6,377)[465]
- Pass attempts, career (9,988)[465]
- Passing yards, single season (5,235) (2011)[466]
- Passing touchdowns, single season (50) (2007)[466]
- Pass completions, single season (402) (2015)[466]
- QB rating, single season (117.2) (2007) [466]
- Longest pass-play, (99 yards) (2011)[466]
- Completion percentage, single season (68.9%) (2007)[466]
Tampa Bay Buccaneers franchise records
- Games won as starting QB, single season (13) (2021)[467]
- Passing touchdowns, single season (43) (2021)[467]
- Pass completions, single season (485) (2021)[467]
- Pass attempts, single season (719) (2021)[467]
- Passing yards, single season (5,316) (2021)[467]
- Completion percentage, single season (67.5%) (2021)[467]
- QB rating, single season (102.2) (2020)[467]
Awards and honors
Brady is a seven-time Super Bowl champion, winning six titles with the New England Patriots, and one with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
NFL
- 7× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII, LV) (most for any individual player)
- 5× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI, LV) (all-time record)
- 9× AFC champion (2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011, 2014, 2016–2018)
- NFC champion (2020)
- 3× NFL MVP (2007, 2010, 2017)
- 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010)
- NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009)
- 3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017)
- 3× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016, 2021)
- 15× Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2018, 2021) (all-time record)
- NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
- NFL 2010s All-Decade Team
- NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team
- New England Patriots All-2000s Team
- New England Patriots 50th Anniversary Team
- New England Patriots All-2010s Team
- New England Patriots All-Dynasty Team
- 2007 Bert Bell Award
- 2021 FedEx Air NFL Player of The Year
Your data dumps don't hold sway with me. In fact, I can name another 5 quarterbacks better than Tom Brady.Maybe you should get an eye test or learn to read:
Regular season
- Most games won by a player: 246[67]
- Most games played by a non-kicker: 324
- Most games started by a skill position player: 322
- Oldest quarterback to start a game: 45 years, 2 months, and 13 days
- Fourth NFL player to beat all 32 teams
- Most seasons with 35+ touchdown passes: 6 (tied with Aaron Rodgers)[429]
- Most seasons with 40+ touchdown passes: 3 (tied with Aaron Rodgers)[430]
- One of two quarterbacks to have multiple 5,000 yard seasons
- Most games 2+ touchdown passes: 199
- Most games 3+ touchdown passes: 102
- Most games 4+ touchdown passes: 39
- Best QBR in a season: 87.0 (2007)[431]
- Best touchdown to interception ratio in a season: 28:2 (2016)[432]
- Most touchdown passes to different players: 91[433][434]
- Most wins on the road by a quarterback: 112[435]
- Most wins at home by a quarterback: 133[436]
- Most wins in one regular season by a quarterback: 16 (2007)
- Only quarterback to have three consecutive games with 300+ passing yards, 3+ touchdown passes and 0 interceptions[437]
- Most regular-season starts by player: 320[438]
- Oldest quarterback to lead the league in passing yards: 44 (5,316 yards: 2021)[439]
- Most yards in a single season for a quarterback aged 40 or older (age 44): 5,316[439]
- Oldest player to win NFL MVP: 40[82]
- Oldest position player to be named first-team All-Pro: 40[440]
- Most career passing yards with one team: 74,571[82]
- Most career passing yards: 86,172
- Most career passing touchdowns with one team: 541[441]
- Most Pro Bowl selections: 15[442]
- Most seasons quarterbacking for one team: 20[443]
- Most career pass completions: 7,429
- Most career passing attempts: 11,564
- Most career touchdown passes: 632
- Most seasons as passing touchdowns leader: 5[444]
- Most consecutive 10-win seasons as starting QB: 13
- Most consecutive 11-win seasons as starting QB: 12
- Most consecutive seasons on a team 9–7 or better: 21
- Most touchdown passes in a season as starting QB aged 40 or older: 43 (2021)[445]
- Only quarterback to have 40 passing touchdowns in a season in both the AFC (50; 2007) and the NFC (40; 2020)
- Most game-winning drives: 54 (tied with Peyton Manning)[446]
Playoffs
- Most consecutive seasons in the NFL playoffs by a team, player or head coach: 13
- Most wins: 35
- Most games started: 47[447][448][449]
- Most starting quarterbacks beaten (QB): 28[450]
- Most teams beaten (QB): 19[450]
- Most stadiums won in (QB): 13[450]
- Most games won by a starting quarterback: 35[449]
- Most consecutive wins by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001–2005)
- Most postseason touchdown passes to different players: 34[451]
- Most postseason road wins by a quarterback: 7 (tied with Joe Flacco)[452]
- Oldest player to throw a touchdown pass (44 years, 5 months, 20 days)
- Most consecutive wins to start a career by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)
- Most career home wins by a starting quarterback: 21
- Most consecutive home wins by a starting quarterback: 9 (2013–2019)
- Most touchdown passes: 86[80]
- Most touchdown passes between a quarterback and receiver: 15 (with Rob Gronkowski)
- Most passing yards: 13,049[78]
- Most passing yards in a single playoff game: 505 (Super Bowl LII)[453]
- Most passes completed: 1,165[79]
- Most passes attempted: 1,855[79]
- Most passes intercepted: 39[454]
- Most division titles won by a starting quarterback: 18[449]
- Most NFL conference championship appearances by a starting quarterback: 14[455]
- Most NFL conference championship wins by a starting quarterback: 10[456]
- Oldest quarterback to win an AFC title game: 41 years, 5 months, 17 days
- Oldest quarterback to win an NFC title game: 43 years, 5 months, 21 days
- Most career 300+ passing yard games: 18[79]
- Most game-winning drives: 14[76]
- Most fourth-quarter comebacks: 9
- Most multi-TD pass games: 28[456]
Super Bowl
- Most NFL championships by player: 7
- Most championships in professional football history by a quarterback: 7 (tied with Otto Graham)[457]
- Is the only starting quarterback to win the Super Bowl for both the AFC and NFC
- Most Super Bowl MVPs: 5
- Is one of only two starting quarterbacks to win a Super Bowl for two separate teams (Peyton Manning)
- Most touchdown passes: 21[458]
- Most passing yards: 3,039[453]
- Most passes completed: 277[453]
- Most passes attempted: 421[453]
- Most passes completed in first half of a single Super Bowl: 20 (XLIX)[459]
- Most passes completed in a single Super Bowl: 43 (LI)[76]
- Most passes attempted in a single Super Bowl: 62 (LI)[76]
- Most passing yards in a single Super Bowl: 505 (LII)[453]
- Most Super Bowl appearances: 10[460]
- Most passing attempts without an interception in a single Super Bowl: 48 (XLII & LII)[461]
- Oldest QB to start a Super Bowl: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days[81]
- Oldest QB to win a Super Bowl: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days[81]
- Oldest player to win Super Bowl MVP: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days[462]
- Oldest QB from the AFC to start a Super Bowl: 41 years, 6 months, and 0 days[81]
- Oldest QB from the AFC to win a Super Bowl: 41 years, 6 months, and 0 days[81]
- Oldest player from the AFC to win Super Bowl MVP: 39 years, 6 months, and 2 days[462]
- Oldest QB from the NFC to start a Super Bowl: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days
- Oldest QB from the NFC to win a Super Bowl: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days
- Oldest player from the NFC to win Super Bowl MVP: 43 years, 6 months, and 4 days
- Most consecutive completions in a single Super Bowl: 16 (XLVI)[461]
- Most game-winning drives: 6[463]
New England Patriots franchise records
- Games played (285)[464]
- Most seasons played (20)[464]
- Games won as starter (219)[464]
- Most games started (playoffs): 41[464]
- Passing yards, career (74,571)[465]
- Passing touchdowns, career (541)[465]
- Pass completions, career (6,377)[465]
- Pass attempts, career (9,988)[465]
- Passing yards, single season (5,235) (2011)[466]
- Passing touchdowns, single season (50) (2007)[466]
- Pass completions, single season (402) (2015)[466]
- QB rating, single season (117.2) (2007) [466]
- Longest pass-play, (99 yards) (2011)[466]
- Completion percentage, single season (68.9%) (2007)[466]
Tampa Bay Buccaneers franchise records
- Games won as starting QB, single season (13) (2021)[467]
- Passing touchdowns, single season (43) (2021)[467]
- Pass completions, single season (485) (2021)[467]
- Pass attempts, single season (719) (2021)[467]
- Passing yards, single season (5,316) (2021)[467]
- Completion percentage, single season (67.5%) (2021)[467]
- QB rating, single season (102.2) (2020)[467]
Awards and honors
Brady is a seven-time Super Bowl champion, winning six titles with the New England Patriots, and one with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
NFL
- 7× Super Bowl champion (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII, LV) (most for any individual player)
- 5× Super Bowl MVP (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XLIX, LI, LV) (all-time record)
- 9× AFC champion (2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011, 2014, 2016–2018)
- NFC champion (2020)
- 3× NFL MVP (2007, 2010, 2017)
- 2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2007, 2010)
- NFL Comeback Player of the Year (2009)
- 3× First-team All-Pro (2007, 2010, 2017)
- 3× Second-team All-Pro (2005, 2016, 2021)
- 15× Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009–2018, 2021) (all-time record)
- NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
- NFL 2010s All-Decade Team
- NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team
- New England Patriots All-2000s Team
- New England Patriots 50th Anniversary Team
- New England Patriots All-2010s Team
- New England Patriots All-Dynasty Team
- 2007 Bert Bell Award
- 2021 FedEx Air NFL Player of The Year
6. Sonny Jurgenson
7. Roger Staubach
8. Bob Griese
9. Dan Fouts
10. Bart Starr
Concerned American
Diamond Member
Dan Fouts? Really? The fumble KING of the NFL! Try again moron. Your posts get dumber with every one.Your data dumps don't hold sway with me. I can name another 5 quarterbacks better than Tom Brady.
Your data dumps don't hold sway with me. In fact, I can name another 5 quarterbacks better than Tom Brady.
6. Sonny Jurgenson
7. Roger Staubach
8. Bob Griese
9. Dan Fouts
10. Bart Starr
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
- Thread starter
- #31
Fouts threw more bullets.Dan Fouts? Really? The fumble KING of the NFL! Try again moron. Your posts get dumber with every one.
Concerned American
Diamond Member
Run along, you're a moron.Fouts threw more bullets.
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
- Thread starter
- #33
Sorry, this liberal doesn't run from anyone!Run along, you're a moron.
Concerned American
Diamond Member
I'm not surprised. Very few uninformed idiots know when to quit exhibiting their stupidity.Sorry, this liberal doesn't run from anyone!
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
- Thread starter
- #35
Funny how you say I'm uninformed, when, between the two of us....is that a song?....I am the only one speaking from the heart and my superior gridiron knowledge of football, while you can only muster copy and paste stats from the lover of another mother!I'm not surprised. Very few uninformed idiots know when to quit exhibiting their stupidity.
Concerned American
Diamond Member
Speaking from the heart has nothing to do with knowledge, moron. A jillion bookies in Vegas love you morons.speaking from the heart
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
- Thread starter
- #37
Ad hominens are not valid rebuttals, fuckwad!Speaking from the heart has nothing to do with knowledge, moron. A jillion bookies in Vegas love you morons.
Concerned American
Diamond Member
Speaking to your post--"Speaking from the heart..." is not ad hominem. Maybe you should research the definition before using words you don't understand. But what do I expect from someone that speaks from the heart while claiming to have "superior knowledge." LMAO, Adios moron, I've no time for your stupidity. (BTW, that IS ad hominem)Ad hominens are not valid rebuttals, fuckwad!
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
- Thread starter
- #39
You called me a "moron" and you called me "stupid". THAT, is an ad hominem, fuckface!Speaking to your post--"Speaking from the heart..." is not ad hominem. Maybe you should research the definition before using words you don't understand. But what do I expect from someone that speaks from the heart while claiming to have "superior knowledge." LMAO, Adios moron, I've no time for your stupidity. (BTW, that IS ad hominem)
toobfreak
Tungsten/Glass Member
Ad hominens are not valid rebuttals, fuckwad!
Fuckwad is an ad hominem.
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