53% of Democrats Hold a Favorable View of Socialism

[Meister]

You don't know what socialism or communism is at all.
Communism is sharing resources, which all families always do.
It is totally voluntary.
Which implies a democratic republic.
When you have force, that is always the profit motive, of evil capitalism.
All dictatorship are always capitalist, or else there would be no motive for them to exist.
No one would ever remotely consider creating an evil dictatorship unless there was the capitalist profit motive for it.
All socialist or communist ways of life always pretty much have to be maximum freedom of democratic republic, since there is no profit motive to corrupt it.
If there is a profit motive, inequality, or use of force, it is not socialist or communist.

 

[CowboyTed]

Why do morons bring up roads and police when discussing socialism? It makes you sound so frikkin stupid.

Cause they are Government services (production) supplied and paid by the production...

The problem people have is that they know Roads and Police are popular and getting rid of them would be highly unpopular (and dangerous), but they are socialist programs.

 

[martybegan]

No it doesn't...

Service production is the process of delivering a service to customers. It is a common term in many industries that's analogous to product production by an assembly line...
Government Service production is done on tax payers money...

Are you saying that the only socialism in US is US owned factories? Can you give a list of Democrat quotes of them wanting to open government factories?

If your definition of socialism is so tiny them why are any body from the right even talking about it...

What we are concerned about is socialism via over-regulation and legislation, and then the takeover of industries.

Taking over healthcare is beyond welfare state, it's socialism. road and police are not.

So is this:

The Democrats' Plan To Nationalize Land, Democratic Socialism In Action

 

[Rigby5]

Why do morons bring up roads and police when discussing socialism? It makes you sound so frikkin stupid.

Anyone who knows anything about government must know that any shared resource is always socialism, by definition.
Roads and police can not be run by the capitalist profit motivation.
If you try, then you end up with crummy toll roads, and a police state.
The profit motive of capitalism is the worst possible way you could run anything at all.
The profit motive of capitalism means you always try to sell the most deceptive, shoddy, piece of planned obsolescence possible, or instead just invest in weapons and manpower to just take what you want.

 

[CowboyTed]

That isn't production, police and fire are basically overhead.

If unions are communist constructs how come unions usually aren't allowed under communism?

Cause unions are the government in communism... I didn't say Communism likes competition...

 

[TNHarley]

Cause they are Government services (production) supplied and paid by the production...

The problem people have is that they know Roads and Police are popular and getting rid of them would be highly unpopular (and dangerous), but they are socialist programs.

And 99.999999% of people that dont support socialism want that to go away. Thats why it makes you sound stupid.
Basic govt services are way different than nationalizing healthcare, telling you who to conduct your business with, and all around growth of centralized govt.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

All Societies are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism

There is a big difference between social programs and Socialist governance.

 

[martybegan]

Cause unions are the government in communism... I didn't say Communism likes competition...

Unions were communist INFLITRATED, not communist, and thus not socialist, unless they demanded government ownership of the industries in question.

 

[CowboyTed]

What we are concerned about is socialism via over-regulation and legislation, and then the takeover of industries.

Taking over healthcare is beyond welfare state, it's socialism. road and police are not.

So is this:

The Democrats' Plan To Nationalize Land, Democratic Socialism In Action

So the Government took over the Police (security) and you have no problem.
They take over roads (transport ) and you have no problem.

But you have a problem with them taking over Healthcare.

So you are happy with Socialism as long as it works...

 

[Meister]

So the Government took over the Police (security) and you have no problem.
They take over roads (transport ) and you have no problem.

But you have a problem with them taking over Healthcare.

So you are happy with Socialism as long as it works...

It's not an all or nothing issue.

 

[Rigby5]

No it doesn't...

Service production is the process of delivering a service to customers. It is a common term in many industries that's analogous to product production by an assembly line...
Government Service production is done on tax payers money...

Are you saying that the only socialism in US is US owned factories? Can you give a list of Democrat quotes of them wanting to open government factories?

If your definition of socialism is so tiny them why are any body from the right even talking about it...

One of the best examples of socialism is fossil fuel.
Private companies never actually create fossil fuel at all, but just buy the right to extract it from government.
So why should government, (the people), sell the fossil fuel rights to a private company for pennies on the dollar, when they can easily extract it publicly, and sell it to everyone for much less?
The whole rest of the world does that.
The US is about the only country where the people give away all those fossil fuel profits.

 

[TNHarley]

Anyone who knows anything about government must know that any shared resource is always socialism, by definition.
Roads and police can not be run by the capitalist profit motivation.
If you try, then you end up with crummy toll roads, and a police state.
The profit motive of capitalism is the worst possible way you could run anything at all.
The profit motive of capitalism means you always try to sell the most deceptive, shoddy, piece of planned obsolescence possible, or instead just invest in weapons and manpower to just take what you want.

I would rather not have police. I support the NAP.
Roads can be run privately and work just fine.

 

[martybegan]

So the Government took over the Police (security) and you have no problem.
They take over roads (transport ) and you have no problem.

But you have a problem with them taking over Healthcare.

So you are happy with Socialism as long as it works...

The government usually had those, even when the police were knights, and the roads were dirt, that was feudalism, not socialism.

the roads are only the path of transport, not the trucks, not the drivers, not the cargo (mostly).

One insurer only, and that being the government IS socialism.

 

[Rigby5]

What we are concerned about is socialism via over-regulation and legislation, and then the takeover of industries.

Taking over healthcare is beyond welfare state, it's socialism. road and police are not.

So is this:

The Democrats' Plan To Nationalize Land, Democratic Socialism In Action

Wrong.
Heath care has been taken over by monopolistic dictators already.
They are the insurance companies, big pharma, health care corporations like Optum, etc.
They are the ones forcing health care to cost twice what it should, and access denied to those who are not able or willing to pre-pay.

We desperately need socialized medicine, which is equally available to all, and removes the bloodsucking middlemen who add nothing but skim off huge profits.
The profit motive in health care always results in a dictatorship, such as when companies like Moderna and Pfizer create an epidemic so that they can then force a monopoly on the fake solution.

And police, roads, and public health are all equally socialism.
The only difference is not one wants to privatize police or roads because there is not enough profit in it.

 

[martybegan]

Wrong.
Heath care has been taken over by monopolistic dictators already.
They are the insurance companies, big pharma, health care corporations like Optum, etc.
They are the ones forcing health care to cost twice what it should, and access denied to those who are not able or willing to pre-pay.

We desperately need socialized medicine, which is equally available to all, and removes the bloodsucking middlemen who add nothing but skim off huge profits.
The profit motive in health care always results in a dictatorship, such as when companies like Moderna and Pfizer create an epidemic so that they can then force a monopoly on the fake solution.

And police, roads, and public health are all equally socialism.
The only difference is not one wants to privatize police or roads because there is not enough profit in it.

No, it replaces it with a bloated bureaucracy, which is just as bad. And then they figure they can save money by skimping on care, because you have no where else to go. Beggars make great customers.


Police and roads are not socialism. Again, means of production.

 

[Rigby5]

I would rather not have police. I support the NAP.
Roads can be run privately and work just fine.

Never have private roads ever worked.
The only time private roads have ever been used is when some rural highway could not be agreed upon by all those who would benefit, so some private company builds a toll road.
Not only very rare, but VERY unfair, since the poor than end up paying more than the wealthy, since they tend to have to see cheaper and more distant housing.
The toll roads in Houston for example, are extremely racists and discriminatory against the poor.

 

[TNHarley]

Never have private roads ever worked.
The only time private roads have ever been used is when some rural highway could not be agreed upon by all those who would benefit, so some private company builds a toll road.
Not only very rare, but VERY unfair, since the poor than end up paying more than the wealthy, since they tend to have to see cheaper and more distant housing.
The toll roads in Houston for example, are extremely racists and discriminatory against the poor.

roads are racist?

 

[Foolardi]

For years they've denied they are a pro-socialist party. Kind of hard to do that now when that view makes up the majority, isn't it?

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Crap in and Crap out.The old adage still applies.You git what you pay for.
Don't count yer chickens before they hatch.
Today's left is on a Mission.To " Transform " how business and
thinking are done.However .. That one-sided stingy mindset is rife with
possible snags.Just as You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
But one can help " transform " Yellow Dog Democrats into just a
person whose " Yellow " or " Yella ".A Coward,chicken-hearted.
Never to be confused or conflated with the Disney classic :
- Old Yeller - { 1957 }

 

[Foolardi]

roads are racist?

It's gettin' to be about the only thing that ain't Racist
is the Green Pea Soup served at a lefty Salvation Army
soup kitchen.

 

[TNHarley]

It's gettin' to be about the only thing that ain't Racist
is the Green Pea Soup served at a lefty Salvation Army
soup kitchen.

"Should have used black eyes peas, racist!"