72 Portland Rioters Arrested; Federal Crimes, 10-year Jail Sentences; George Soros Funds

[Oldestyle]

Yeah, two scary black men both with guns and neither was shot by the Police! Blows your premise right out of the water...doesn't it!

You mean, "this time". Um, yeah, when you have thousands of black people ready to tear you limb from limb for shooting black people, it's probably a bad idea to do so.

Clubbing some unarmed moms, that's totally cool.

So I show that your claim about blacks not carrying guns in CHAZ is bullshit and you respond with another bullshit claim? The Police didn't "club" unarmed moms! They used tear gas against a mob that was hiding behind a wall of women to throw explosives and frozen water bottles at them. One agent used his baton to push a woman backwards. That's what people like you label "clubbing" unarmed women! What you label "moms" by the way are just a bunch of Antifa women wearing yellow tee shirts instead of black ones to portray themselves as soccer moms instead of radical anarchists! Calling themselves "moms" was nothing more than posturing for the media.

 

[Oldestyle]

power was handed over peacefully. but it was not respected by your side.

you were clear that "he was not your president" and that you would "resist".

Yes, because the People said NO. He lost the popular vote.

and not all the resistance was legal or constitutional. the "investigations" launched on trump were both illegal and unconstitutional.

Yeah, like I remember when there was this investigation into an old Land deal that turned into an investigation into his sex life. Oh, no, wait that was Clinton.

Sorry, Mueller was restrained compared to Ken Starr.

the protests, often broke laws, blocking traffic and the"protests" often were actually riots, and more and more the riots are looking like open insurrection.

Up until George Floyd was murdered and Trump went nuts gassing and shooting people, most of the protests were peaceful

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Oh, guy, WHEN you lose, I totally want you nuts to go out there with guns and stir up some shit. Then we'll finally take a big old Sharpie to the Militia Amendment and get common sense gun control.

Do it, you bitches.

Still claiming the protests were peaceful? You just can't help yourself...can you, Joey? Those lies just keep coming!

 

[pknopp]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.


this is something i had mentioned before.


i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.


you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.

but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.


well, we are done with that.


we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.


can you hear me now?

You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.

 

[Correll]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.


this is something i had mentioned before.


i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.


you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.

but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.


well, we are done with that.


we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.


can you hear me now?

You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.

we are a microcosm of what is occurring in the nation at large.

you people, used to being able to lecture and abuse your enemies, and to get your way, not being able to take the fact that now, the other side is getting to talk for once.

and launching an open insurrection in response. and whining that the people you are attacking, are fighting back.


that last bit, especially, fills me with contempt.


even if you win, we will still be here. do you plan to always be such violent thugs when we don't do as you say, fast enough?

 

[Dragonlady]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Power was handed over to Donald Trump peacefully on his Inauguration Day. All of the opposition to Donald Trump has been conducted both legally and constitutionally.

So just cut this whole line of bullshit or Donald Trump will be removed from office for sedition, by his own party.

power was handed over peacefully. but it was not respected by your side.

you were clear that "he was not your president" and that you would "resist".

and not all the resistance was legal or constitutional. the "investigations" launched on trump were both illegal and unconstitutional.

the protests, often broke laws, blocking traffic and the"protests" often were actually riots, and more and more the riots are looking like open insurrection.

my question stands.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,

why should we?

Respect has to be EARNED and Trump has done NOTHING to earn anyone's respect. Just because enough people believed Trump's lies throughout the campaign and didn't look at his history, and incompetence that he got elected, doesn't mean he was worthy of respect.

Trump started his Presidency with a massive lie - the size of his Inauguration Day crowds. And when the mainstream media refused to go along with his lie, Trump doubled down on it and DEMANDED that everyone believe him. At that moment - attempting to force a proveable lie onto the American people, after all of the lies of the campaign, set the tone for his Administration.

Trump lies - even about things he has no reason to lie about, and he demands that the media support his lies, however damaging they may be. Hydroxychloroquine being a case in point. Even as every legitimate study done in the world has shown the drug is a KILLER when used in the treatment of this virus, Donald Trump is doubling down on his initial lie that this was a the "magic bullet", because he is incapable of saying "I was wrong", or even "I take full responsibility". For anything. It's always somebody else's fault.

I saw Obama interviewed as he was leaving the White House, and he asked about "regrets" or what he would have done differently. Libya was, in retrospect, a mistake. Failing to get out of Afghanistan. Not being able to close Gitmo. He thought the Dems had done a poor job of getting the message of their accomplishments out to the people.

Has Trump ever said anything except that he's the greatest President in American history, who made the biggest tax cuts in history? He crows about the "tremendous" job he's doing on the corona virus which is "the envy of the world", as the body count rises and the rest of the world looks on horrified. Vladimir Putin applauded the announcement of troops being pulled out of Germany.

And now Donald J. Trump has achieved what the NATO Accord was designed to prevent from EVER happening: The German Chancellor is now the President, not only of a united Germany, but of the Eurpean Union, and Germany is quickly re-arming, to twart a very real threat from Russia. Hello 1944, with Germany now the leader of the entire EU, save Great Britain. Except this time, they didn't have to destroy half of Europe to take it over. They were elected to lead Europe, and Merkel is the strongest leader in Europe.

But if the goal was to build a strong stable Europe and restrain German ambitions, well Trump has just undone 70 years of peace and progress and re-set Europe geopolitically to 1944, before Stalin overran Eastern Europe and created the Soviet Empire. Since Putin's goal, is, was and always shall be to restore the old Soviet Empire, how could Putin not be jubliant today.

Just remember the economics here. When communism fell, the Russians refused to allow anyone other than Russians to buy up the infrastructure and assets that they auctioned off when they ended communism. Unlike other communist countries like Poland, the Ukraine, and South Africa, where large American corporations came in and got hold of key infrastructure assets - like publically owned utilities, railroads, banks, and started funnelling capital out of these countries to the USA.

When Eastern Europe was in the grip of the Soviets, no American companies were allowed to do business in any of these countries. There was no McDonald's, no Walmart, and no Microsoft. The trade deals that Trump now decries, gave these corporations access to these markets. There were no American movies in the theatres, or music in the stores. Patents and trade marks were ignored, and stolen.

So the USA now has more than a passing interest in maintaining the gains made by NATO, because what those troops are really doing there, is maintaining stable and safe markets for "American interests", in Europe. American Interests are not, as people have long believed, the safety and security of the American people, or the USA being called upon to be the "world's policeman", they are the real estate, and fixed assets owned by American corporations, and access to markets in "friendly" countries.

Trump has just endangered American corporate assets and markets, in Eastern Europe which have opened up since the fall of communism, and encourage other nations to do the same. All of these multi-national corporations will be pushed out of Europe and Asia, and you'll lose those markets too.

American imports aren't dropping, but American exports are. Nobody wants to do business with you. Nobody trusts. The rest of the world views the USA as a rogue nation lead by a mad man.

Get your house in order.

 

[Dragonlady]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.


this is something i had mentioned before.


i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.


you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.

but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.


well, we are done with that.


we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.


can you hear me now?

You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.

we are a microcosm of what is occurring in the nation at large.

you people, used to being able to lecture and abuse your enemies, and to get your way, not being able to take the fact that now, the other side is getting to talk for once.

and launching an open insurrection in response. and whining that the people you are attacking, are fighting back.

that last bit, especially, fills me with contempt.

even if you win, we will still be here. do you plan to always be such violent thugs when we don't do as you say, fast enough?

You have it all backwards Bucko. You will be driven back under the rocks and rotting stumps you crawled out of, and society will end your destruction and hate. You're the ones who are "abusing" people. The brown people on the Southern Border - locked in squalid conditions to die of the virus. Children kidnapped and then lost in a system that was set up to harm small children.

You haven't been talking. You've been killing people - 1500 people died in police custody last year. These were people who were given death sentences, BEFORE they were charged with anything, and in many cases, they were murdered for petty crimes - shoplifting a chocolate bar, selling cigarettes, passing a phony $20, sleeping in your bed. 150,000 killed by a virus the President has no plan for fighting.

The PEOPLE elected Hillary Clinton. The Republican Party put Donald Trump in the White House. Not the people's President.

The PEOPLE elected a Democratic House to deal with Trump's lawlessness and criminal behaviour. The House Impeached the criminal President, and then the Senate refused to listen to the people, refused to call witnesses, and would not remove Trump from office.

Had SOMEONE, anyone, other than Donald Trump been leading the country through this corona virus, 150,000 Americans would not be dead.

THE PEOPLE NEVER WANTED DONALD TRUMP IN THE FIRST PLACE. HE HAD TO LIE, CHEAT, AND STEAL HIS ELECTION. AND DO MORE OF THE SAME TO HOLD ON TO HIS OFFICE.

ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 2020, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL VOTE THIS ASSHOLE OUT OF OFFICE, AND EVERYONE WHO ENABLED THIS CLUSTERFUCK OF A PRESIDENT, ALONG WITH HIM.

 

[Correll]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Power was handed over to Donald Trump peacefully on his Inauguration Day. All of the opposition to Donald Trump has been conducted both legally and constitutionally.

So just cut this whole line of bullshit or Donald Trump will be removed from office for sedition, by his own party.

power was handed over peacefully. but it was not respected by your side.

you were clear that "he was not your president" and that you would "resist".

and not all the resistance was legal or constitutional. the "investigations" launched on trump were both illegal and unconstitutional.

the protests, often broke laws, blocking traffic and the"protests" often were actually riots, and more and more the riots are looking like open insurrection.

my question stands.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,

why should we?

Respect has to be EARNED and Trump has done NOTHING to earn anyone's respect. Just because enough people believed Trump's lies throughout the campaign and didn't look at his history, and incompetence that he got elected, doesn't mean he was worthy of respect.

....

i was clearly referring to respect for the Rule of Law and the Peaceful Transfer of Power, not trump personally.


you changed the subject, because you cannot defend your side's refusal to respect the peaceful transfer of power.


my question stands.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,

why should we?

 

[Oldestyle]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Power was handed over to Donald Trump peacefully on his Inauguration Day. All of the opposition to Donald Trump has been conducted both legally and constitutionally.

So just cut this whole line of bullshit or Donald Trump will be removed from office for sedition, by his own party.

power was handed over peacefully. but it was not respected by your side.

you were clear that "he was not your president" and that you would "resist".

and not all the resistance was legal or constitutional. the "investigations" launched on trump were both illegal and unconstitutional.

the protests, often broke laws, blocking traffic and the"protests" often were actually riots, and more and more the riots are looking like open insurrection.

my question stands.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,

why should we?

Respect has to be EARNED and Trump has done NOTHING to earn anyone's respect. Just because enough people believed Trump's lies throughout the campaign and didn't look at his history, and incompetence that he got elected, doesn't mean he was worthy of respect.

Trump started his Presidency with a massive lie - the size of his Inauguration Day crowds. And when the mainstream media refused to go along with his lie, Trump doubled down on it and DEMANDED that everyone believe him. At that moment - attempting to force a proveable lie onto the American people, after all of the lies of the campaign, set the tone for his Administration.

Trump lies - even about things he has no reason to lie about, and he demands that the media support his lies, however damaging they may be. Hydroxychloroquine being a case in point. Even as every legitimate study done in the world has shown the drug is a KILLER when used in the treatment of this virus, Donald Trump is doubling down on his initial lie that this was a the "magic bullet", because he is incapable of saying "I was wrong", or even "I take full responsibility". For anything. It's always somebody else's fault.

I saw Obama interviewed as he was leaving the White House, and he asked about "regrets" or what he would have done differently. Libya was, in retrospect, a mistake. Failing to get out of Afghanistan. Not being able to close Gitmo. He thought the Dems had done a poor job of getting the message of their accomplishments out to the people.

Has Trump ever said anything except that he's the greatest President in American history, who made the biggest tax cuts in history? He crows about the "tremendous" job he's doing on the corona virus which is "the envy of the world", as the body count rises and the rest of the world looks on horrified. Vladimir Putin applauded the announcement of troops being pulled out of Germany.

And now Donald J. Trump has achieved what the NATO Accord was designed to prevent from EVER happening: The German Chancellor is now the President, not only of a united Germany, but of the Eurpean Union, and Germany is quickly re-arming, to twart a very real threat from Russia. Hello 1944, with Germany now the leader of the entire EU, save Great Britain. Except this time, they didn't have to destroy half of Europe to take it over. They were elected to lead Europe, and Merkel is the strongest leader in Europe.

But if the goal was to build a strong stable Europe and restrain German ambitions, well Trump has just undone 70 years of peace and progress and re-set Europe geopolitically to 1944, before Stalin overran Eastern Europe and created the Soviet Empire. Since Putin's goal, is, was and always shall be to restore the old Soviet Empire, how could Putin not be jubliant today.

Just remember the economics here. When communism fell, the Russians refused to allow anyone other than Russians to buy up the infrastructure and assets that they auctioned off when they ended communism. Unlike other communist countries like Poland, the Ukraine, and South Africa, where large American corporations came in and got hold of key infrastructure assets - like publically owned utilities, railroads, banks, and started funnelling capital out of these countries to the USA.

When Eastern Europe was in the grip of the Soviets, no American companies were allowed to do business in any of these countries. There was no McDonald's, no Walmart, and no Microsoft. The trade deals that Trump now decries, gave these corporations access to these markets. There were no American movies in the theatres, or music in the stores. Patents and trade marks were ignored, and stolen.

So the USA now has more than a passing interest in maintaining the gains made by NATO, because what those troops are really doing there, is maintaining stable and safe markets for "American interests", in Europe. American Interests are not, as people have long believed, the safety and security of the American people, or the USA being called upon to be the "world's policeman", they are the real estate, and fixed assets owned by American corporations, and access to markets in "friendly" countries.

Trump has just endangered American corporate assets and markets, in Eastern Europe which have opened up since the fall of communism, and encourage other nations to do the same. All of these multi-national corporations will be pushed out of Europe and Asia, and you'll lose those markets too.

American imports aren't dropping, but American exports are. Nobody wants to do business with you. Nobody trusts. The rest of the world views the USA as a rogue nation lead by a mad man.

Get your house in order.

Wow! I don't even know where to start with that post, Dragonlady! There are so many false narratives it's mind boggling! Where do you get this nonsense?

 

[Correll]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.


this is something i had mentioned before.


i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.


you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.

but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.


well, we are done with that.


we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.


can you hear me now?

You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.

we are a microcosm of what is occurring in the nation at large.

you people, used to being able to lecture and abuse your enemies, and to get your way, not being able to take the fact that now, the other side is getting to talk for once.

and launching an open insurrection in response. and whining that the people you are attacking, are fighting back.

that last bit, especially, fills me with contempt.

even if you win, we will still be here. do you plan to always be such violent thugs when we don't do as you say, fast enough?

You have it all backwards Bucko. You will be driven back under the rocks and rotting stumps you crawled out of, and society will end your destruction and hate. You're the ones who are "abusing" people. The brown people on the Southern Border - locked in squalid conditions to die of the virus. Children kidnapped and then lost in a system that was set up to harm small children.
.....

got it. you will be violent thugs, and on top of that, you will be justifying your violence with sanctimonious bullshit as you kill us and oppress us.

you know that we fight back right? why do you want to turn this nation into a war zone?

 

[Correll]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Power was handed over to Donald Trump peacefully on his Inauguration Day. All of the opposition to Donald Trump has been conducted both legally and constitutionally.

So just cut this whole line of bullshit or Donald Trump will be removed from office for sedition, by his own party.

power was handed over peacefully. but it was not respected by your side.

you were clear that "he was not your president" and that you would "resist".

and not all the resistance was legal or constitutional. the "investigations" launched on trump were both illegal and unconstitutional.

the protests, often broke laws, blocking traffic and the"protests" often were actually riots, and more and more the riots are looking like open insurrection.

my question stands.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,

why should we?

Respect has to be EARNED and Trump has done NOTHING to earn anyone's respect. Just because enough people believed Trump's lies throughout the campaign and didn't look at his history, and incompetence that he got elected, doesn't mean he was worthy of respect.

Trump started his Presidency with a massive lie - the size of his Inauguration Day crowds. And when the mainstream media refused to go along with his lie, Trump doubled down on it and DEMANDED that everyone believe him. At that moment - attempting to force a proveable lie onto the American people, after all of the lies of the campaign, set the tone for his Administration.

Trump lies - even about things he has no reason to lie about, and he demands that the media support his lies, however damaging they may be. Hydroxychloroquine being a case in point. Even as every legitimate study done in the world has shown the drug is a KILLER when used in the treatment of this virus, Donald Trump is doubling down on his initial lie that this was a the "magic bullet", because he is incapable of saying "I was wrong", or even "I take full responsibility". For anything. It's always somebody else's fault.

I saw Obama interviewed as he was leaving the White House, and he asked about "regrets" or what he would have done differently. Libya was, in retrospect, a mistake. Failing to get out of Afghanistan. Not being able to close Gitmo. He thought the Dems had done a poor job of getting the message of their accomplishments out to the people.

Has Trump ever said anything except that he's the greatest President in American history, who made the biggest tax cuts in history? He crows about the "tremendous" job he's doing on the corona virus which is "the envy of the world", as the body count rises and the rest of the world looks on horrified. Vladimir Putin applauded the announcement of troops being pulled out of Germany.

And now Donald J. Trump has achieved what the NATO Accord was designed to prevent from EVER happening: The German Chancellor is now the President, not only of a united Germany, but of the Eurpean Union, and Germany is quickly re-arming, to twart a very real threat from Russia. Hello 1944, with Germany now the leader of the entire EU, save Great Britain. Except this time, they didn't have to destroy half of Europe to take it over. They were elected to lead Europe, and Merkel is the strongest leader in Europe.

But if the goal was to build a strong stable Europe and restrain German ambitions, well Trump has just undone 70 years of peace and progress and re-set Europe geopolitically to 1944, before Stalin overran Eastern Europe and created the Soviet Empire. Since Putin's goal, is, was and always shall be to restore the old Soviet Empire, how could Putin not be jubliant today.

Just remember the economics here. When communism fell, the Russians refused to allow anyone other than Russians to buy up the infrastructure and assets that they auctioned off when they ended communism. Unlike other communist countries like Poland, the Ukraine, and South Africa, where large American corporations came in and got hold of key infrastructure assets - like publically owned utilities, railroads, banks, and started funnelling capital out of these countries to the USA.

When Eastern Europe was in the grip of the Soviets, no American companies were allowed to do business in any of these countries. There was no McDonald's, no Walmart, and no Microsoft. The trade deals that Trump now decries, gave these corporations access to these markets. There were no American movies in the theatres, or music in the stores. Patents and trade marks were ignored, and stolen.

So the USA now has more than a passing interest in maintaining the gains made by NATO, because what those troops are really doing there, is maintaining stable and safe markets for "American interests", in Europe. American Interests are not, as people have long believed, the safety and security of the American people, or the USA being called upon to be the "world's policeman", they are the real estate, and fixed assets owned by American corporations, and access to markets in "friendly" countries.

Trump has just endangered American corporate assets and markets, in Eastern Europe which have opened up since the fall of communism, and encourage other nations to do the same. All of these multi-national corporations will be pushed out of Europe and Asia, and you'll lose those markets too.

American imports aren't dropping, but American exports are. Nobody wants to do business with you. Nobody trusts. The rest of the world views the USA as a rogue nation lead by a mad man.

Get your house in order.

Wow! I don't even know where to start with that post, Dragonlady! There are so many false narratives it's mind boggling! Where do you get this nonsense?

she seems to think that if she believes it hard enough, that it will make it true, and when they have absolute power and abuse it, that we will meekly accept it, and they can live happily ever after.

 

[Oldestyle]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.


this is something i had mentioned before.


i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.


you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.

but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.


well, we are done with that.


we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.


can you hear me now?

You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.

we are a microcosm of what is occurring in the nation at large.

you people, used to being able to lecture and abuse your enemies, and to get your way, not being able to take the fact that now, the other side is getting to talk for once.

and launching an open insurrection in response. and whining that the people you are attacking, are fighting back.

that last bit, especially, fills me with contempt.

even if you win, we will still be here. do you plan to always be such violent thugs when we don't do as you say, fast enough?

You have it all backwards Bucko. You will be driven back under the rocks and rotting stumps you crawled out of, and society will end your destruction and hate. You're the ones who are "abusing" people. The brown people on the Southern Border - locked in squalid conditions to die of the virus. Children kidnapped and then lost in a system that was set up to harm small children.

You haven't been talking. You've been killing people - 1500 people died in police custody last year. These were people who were given death sentences, BEFORE they were charged with anything, and in many cases, they were murdered for petty crimes - shoplifting a chocolate bar, selling cigarettes, passing a phony $20, sleeping in your bed. 150,000 killed by a virus the President has no plan for fighting.

The PEOPLE elected Hillary Clinton. The Republican Party put Donald Trump in the White House. Not the people's President.

The PEOPLE elected a Democratic House to deal with Trump's lawlessness and criminal behaviour. The House Impeached the criminal President, and then the Senate refused to listen to the people, refused to call witnesses, and would not remove Trump from office.

Had SOMEONE, anyone, other than Donald Trump been leading the country through this corona virus, 150,000 Americans would not be dead.

THE PEOPLE NEVER WANTED DONALD TRUMP IN THE FIRST PLACE. HE HAD TO LIE, CHEAT, AND STEAL HIS ELECTION. AND DO MORE OF THE SAME TO HOLD ON TO HIS OFFICE.

ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 2020, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL VOTE THIS ASSHOLE OUT OF OFFICE, AND EVERYONE WHO ENABLED THIS CLUSTERFUCK OF A PRESIDENT, ALONG WITH HIM.

We elected Donald Trump in the same way that we've elected dozens of OTHER Presidents! The rules for that election were in place before it began and didn't change during the race! Hillary Clinton herself demanded in one of the debates that Donald Trump agree to abide by the results of that election and not dispute the results and then turned around and disputed them when she lost! It's not even in question at this point that people on the left were the ones who abused that election process. What they did with using the IRS against conservative groups! What they did paying foreign agents to launch a smear campaign against Trump with phony "dossiers"? How they used those phony dossiers to con FISA court judges into issuing wire taps against people associated with the Trump campaign? How they used Trump's fighting back against that smear campaign as the basis to charge him with obstruction of justice and attempt to impeach him? How they corrupted the FBI and other Intelligence Agencies to aid them in their plots to defeat Trump or failing that to kneecap his Administration?

The Democratic Party and liberals in general have become so sleazy that it's laughable when you point fingers at others and accuse them of wrong doing!

 

[iceberg]

power was handed over peacefully. but it was not respected by your side.

you were clear that "he was not your president" and that you would "resist".

Yes, because the People said NO. He lost the popular vote.

and not all the resistance was legal or constitutional. the "investigations" launched on trump were both illegal and unconstitutional.

Yeah, like I remember when there was this investigation into an old Land deal that turned into an investigation into his sex life. Oh, no, wait that was Clinton.

Sorry, Mueller was restrained compared to Ken Starr.

the protests, often broke laws, blocking traffic and the"protests" often were actually riots, and more and more the riots are looking like open insurrection.

Up until George Floyd was murdered and Trump went nuts gassing and shooting people, most of the protests were peaceful

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Oh, guy, WHEN you lose, I totally want you nuts to go out there with guns and stir up some shit. Then we'll finally take a big old Sharpie to the Militia Amendment and get common sense gun control.

Do it, you bitches.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Power was handed over to Donald Trump peacefully on his Inauguration Day. All of the opposition to Donald Trump has been conducted both legally and constitutionally.

So just cut this whole line of bullshit or Donald Trump will be removed from office for sedition, by his own party.

power was handed over peacefully. but it was not respected by your side.

you were clear that "he was not your president" and that you would "resist".

and not all the resistance was legal or constitutional. the "investigations" launched on trump were both illegal and unconstitutional.

the protests, often broke laws, blocking traffic and the"protests" often were actually riots, and more and more the riots are looking like open insurrection.

my question stands.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,

why should we?

Respect has to be EARNED and Trump has done NOTHING to earn anyone's respect. Just because enough people believed Trump's lies throughout the campaign and didn't look at his history, and incompetence that he got elected, doesn't mean he was worthy of respect.

Trump started his Presidency with a massive lie - the size of his Inauguration Day crowds. And when the mainstream media refused to go along with his lie, Trump doubled down on it and DEMANDED that everyone believe him. At that moment - attempting to force a proveable lie onto the American people, after all of the lies of the campaign, set the tone for his Administration.

Trump lies - even about things he has no reason to lie about, and he demands that the media support his lies, however damaging they may be. Hydroxychloroquine being a case in point. Even as every legitimate study done in the world has shown the drug is a KILLER when used in the treatment of this virus, Donald Trump is doubling down on his initial lie that this was a the "magic bullet", because he is incapable of saying "I was wrong", or even "I take full responsibility". For anything. It's always somebody else's fault.

I saw Obama interviewed as he was leaving the White House, and he asked about "regrets" or what he would have done differently. Libya was, in retrospect, a mistake. Failing to get out of Afghanistan. Not being able to close Gitmo. He thought the Dems had done a poor job of getting the message of their accomplishments out to the people.

Has Trump ever said anything except that he's the greatest President in American history, who made the biggest tax cuts in history? He crows about the "tremendous" job he's doing on the corona virus which is "the envy of the world", as the body count rises and the rest of the world looks on horrified. Vladimir Putin applauded the announcement of troops being pulled out of Germany.

And now Donald J. Trump has achieved what the NATO Accord was designed to prevent from EVER happening: The German Chancellor is now the President, not only of a united Germany, but of the Eurpean Union, and Germany is quickly re-arming, to twart a very real threat from Russia. Hello 1944, with Germany now the leader of the entire EU, save Great Britain. Except this time, they didn't have to destroy half of Europe to take it over. They were elected to lead Europe, and Merkel is the strongest leader in Europe.

But if the goal was to build a strong stable Europe and restrain German ambitions, well Trump has just undone 70 years of peace and progress and re-set Europe geopolitically to 1944, before Stalin overran Eastern Europe and created the Soviet Empire. Since Putin's goal, is, was and always shall be to restore the old Soviet Empire, how could Putin not be jubliant today.

Just remember the economics here. When communism fell, the Russians refused to allow anyone other than Russians to buy up the infrastructure and assets that they auctioned off when they ended communism. Unlike other communist countries like Poland, the Ukraine, and South Africa, where large American corporations came in and got hold of key infrastructure assets - like publically owned utilities, railroads, banks, and started funnelling capital out of these countries to the USA.

When Eastern Europe was in the grip of the Soviets, no American companies were allowed to do business in any of these countries. There was no McDonald's, no Walmart, and no Microsoft. The trade deals that Trump now decries, gave these corporations access to these markets. There were no American movies in the theatres, or music in the stores. Patents and trade marks were ignored, and stolen.

So the USA now has more than a passing interest in maintaining the gains made by NATO, because what those troops are really doing there, is maintaining stable and safe markets for "American interests", in Europe. American Interests are not, as people have long believed, the safety and security of the American people, or the USA being called upon to be the "world's policeman", they are the real estate, and fixed assets owned by American corporations, and access to markets in "friendly" countries.

Trump has just endangered American corporate assets and markets, in Eastern Europe which have opened up since the fall of communism, and encourage other nations to do the same. All of these multi-national corporations will be pushed out of Europe and Asia, and you'll lose those markets too.

American imports aren't dropping, but American exports are. Nobody wants to do business with you. Nobody trusts. The rest of the world views the USA as a rogue nation lead by a mad man.

Get your house in order.

only got through 1 sentence of your parade of bullshit.

what the fuck has the left done to earn such respect.

not a god damn thing.

 

[Oldestyle]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Power was handed over to Donald Trump peacefully on his Inauguration Day. All of the opposition to Donald Trump has been conducted both legally and constitutionally.

So just cut this whole line of bullshit or Donald Trump will be removed from office for sedition, by his own party.

power was handed over peacefully. but it was not respected by your side.

you were clear that "he was not your president" and that you would "resist".

and not all the resistance was legal or constitutional. the "investigations" launched on trump were both illegal and unconstitutional.

the protests, often broke laws, blocking traffic and the"protests" often were actually riots, and more and more the riots are looking like open insurrection.

my question stands.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,

why should we?

Respect has to be EARNED and Trump has done NOTHING to earn anyone's respect. Just because enough people believed Trump's lies throughout the campaign and didn't look at his history, and incompetence that he got elected, doesn't mean he was worthy of respect.

Trump started his Presidency with a massive lie - the size of his Inauguration Day crowds. And when the mainstream media refused to go along with his lie, Trump doubled down on it and DEMANDED that everyone believe him. At that moment - attempting to force a proveable lie onto the American people, after all of the lies of the campaign, set the tone for his Administration.

Trump lies - even about things he has no reason to lie about, and he demands that the media support his lies, however damaging they may be. Hydroxychloroquine being a case in point. Even as every legitimate study done in the world has shown the drug is a KILLER when used in the treatment of this virus, Donald Trump is doubling down on his initial lie that this was a the "magic bullet", because he is incapable of saying "I was wrong", or even "I take full responsibility". For anything. It's always somebody else's fault.

I saw Obama interviewed as he was leaving the White House, and he asked about "regrets" or what he would have done differently. Libya was, in retrospect, a mistake. Failing to get out of Afghanistan. Not being able to close Gitmo. He thought the Dems had done a poor job of getting the message of their accomplishments out to the people.

Has Trump ever said anything except that he's the greatest President in American history, who made the biggest tax cuts in history? He crows about the "tremendous" job he's doing on the corona virus which is "the envy of the world", as the body count rises and the rest of the world looks on horrified. Vladimir Putin applauded the announcement of troops being pulled out of Germany.

And now Donald J. Trump has achieved what the NATO Accord was designed to prevent from EVER happening: The German Chancellor is now the President, not only of a united Germany, but of the Eurpean Union, and Germany is quickly re-arming, to twart a very real threat from Russia. Hello 1944, with Germany now the leader of the entire EU, save Great Britain. Except this time, they didn't have to destroy half of Europe to take it over. They were elected to lead Europe, and Merkel is the strongest leader in Europe.

But if the goal was to build a strong stable Europe and restrain German ambitions, well Trump has just undone 70 years of peace and progress and re-set Europe geopolitically to 1944, before Stalin overran Eastern Europe and created the Soviet Empire. Since Putin's goal, is, was and always shall be to restore the old Soviet Empire, how could Putin not be jubliant today.

Just remember the economics here. When communism fell, the Russians refused to allow anyone other than Russians to buy up the infrastructure and assets that they auctioned off when they ended communism. Unlike other communist countries like Poland, the Ukraine, and South Africa, where large American corporations came in and got hold of key infrastructure assets - like publically owned utilities, railroads, banks, and started funnelling capital out of these countries to the USA.

When Eastern Europe was in the grip of the Soviets, no American companies were allowed to do business in any of these countries. There was no McDonald's, no Walmart, and no Microsoft. The trade deals that Trump now decries, gave these corporations access to these markets. There were no American movies in the theatres, or music in the stores. Patents and trade marks were ignored, and stolen.

So the USA now has more than a passing interest in maintaining the gains made by NATO, because what those troops are really doing there, is maintaining stable and safe markets for "American interests", in Europe. American Interests are not, as people have long believed, the safety and security of the American people, or the USA being called upon to be the "world's policeman", they are the real estate, and fixed assets owned by American corporations, and access to markets in "friendly" countries.

Trump has just endangered American corporate assets and markets, in Eastern Europe which have opened up since the fall of communism, and encourage other nations to do the same. All of these multi-national corporations will be pushed out of Europe and Asia, and you'll lose those markets too.

American imports aren't dropping, but American exports are. Nobody wants to do business with you. Nobody trusts. The rest of the world views the USA as a rogue nation lead by a mad man.

Get your house in order.

Wow! I don't even know where to start with that post, Dragonlady! There are so many false narratives it's mind boggling! Where do you get this nonsense?

she seems to think that if she believes it hard enough, that it will make it true, and when they have absolute power and abuse it, that we will meekly accept it, and they can live happily ever after.

Liberals seek to control American's access to information...to filter what it is that the people are allowed to hear! They're not even trying to hide what it is that they're doing at this point.

 

[Oldestyle]

If you watched the Barr testimony to Congress it was a perfect illustration of how liberals conduct themselves today! They demand Barr testify...then don't allow him to speak! They use the platform of the hearing to attack someone's character and motives but don't allow that person to defend themselves! They "lecture" and only THEIR viewpoint is allowed!

 

[iceberg]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.


this is something i had mentioned before.


i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.


you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.

but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.


well, we are done with that.


we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.


can you hear me now?

You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.

we are a microcosm of what is occurring in the nation at large.

you people, used to being able to lecture and abuse your enemies, and to get your way, not being able to take the fact that now, the other side is getting to talk for once.

and launching an open insurrection in response. and whining that the people you are attacking, are fighting back.

that last bit, especially, fills me with contempt.

even if you win, we will still be here. do you plan to always be such violent thugs when we don't do as you say, fast enough?

You have it all backwards Bucko. You will be driven back under the rocks and rotting stumps you crawled out of, and society will end your destruction and hate. You're the ones who are "abusing" people. The brown people on the Southern Border - locked in squalid conditions to die of the virus. Children kidnapped and then lost in a system that was set up to harm small children.

You haven't been talking. You've been killing people - 1500 people died in police custody last year. These were people who were given death sentences, BEFORE they were charged with anything, and in many cases, they were murdered for petty crimes - shoplifting a chocolate bar, selling cigarettes, passing a phony $20, sleeping in your bed. 150,000 killed by a virus the President has no plan for fighting.

The PEOPLE elected Hillary Clinton. The Republican Party put Donald Trump in the White House. Not the people's President.

The PEOPLE elected a Democratic House to deal with Trump's lawlessness and criminal behaviour. The House Impeached the criminal President, and then the Senate refused to listen to the people, refused to call witnesses, and would not remove Trump from office.

Had SOMEONE, anyone, other than Donald Trump been leading the country through this corona virus, 150,000 Americans would not be dead.

THE PEOPLE NEVER WANTED DONALD TRUMP IN THE FIRST PLACE. HE HAD TO LIE, CHEAT, AND STEAL HIS ELECTION. AND DO MORE OF THE SAME TO HOLD ON TO HIS OFFICE.

ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 2020, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL VOTE THIS ASSHOLE OUT OF OFFICE, AND EVERYONE WHO ENABLED THIS CLUSTERFUCK OF A PRESIDENT, ALONG WITH HIM.

yet i keep hearing the left pissed about their side being targeted and attacked, yet you have zero issue attacking your own political opponents.

fuck off.

 

[pknopp]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.


this is something i had mentioned before.


i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.


you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.

but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.


well, we are done with that.


we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.


can you hear me now?

You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.

we are a microcosm of what is occurring in the nation at large.

you people,

You can discuss things with me or you can go off and discuss them with "you people".

 

[Correll]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.


this is something i had mentioned before.


i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.


you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.

but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.


well, we are done with that.


we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.


can you hear me now?

You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.

we are a microcosm of what is occurring in the nation at large.

you people,

You can discuss things with me or you can go off and discuss them with "you people".

i am discussing it with you.


your utter refusal to listen to my concerns while being so convinced that you have the right to lecture me like i am a dim witted child, to the point of supporting open insurrection,


is a micrososm of what is occurring in the nation at large.


we can learn from our interaction, lessons that give insight into the interactions of the larger groups in America, as we see playing out in the streets and the halls of power.

 

[iceberg]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.

i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.


this is something i had mentioned before.


i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.


you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.

but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.


well, we are done with that.


we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.


can you hear me now?

You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.

we are a microcosm of what is occurring in the nation at large.

you people,

You can discuss things with me or you can go off and discuss them with "you people".

yet are you or are you NOT going "you people" when you say "us people" should have listened to "those peoples" grievances?

getting sick and tired of "you fucks" on the left getting pissed at others for following YOUR LEAD on how to try and address things. you ONLY want things to go ONE way.

fuck that shit.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

They were told no.

he does seem to be conflating being "heard" with "getting your way".

He doesn't want to say that cause then he's committed.

So he implies it and gets mad when you "go there"

does he think he is fooling anyone?

himself. he just doesn't know he's the only one hes fooling.

Lets not tell him. it could crush his spirit.

Sorry, and that's an argument for NOT telling him, is it?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.

what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?

I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.

burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?

The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.

Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.

I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom

" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?

go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.

then come back and try again.

I've addressed this over and over.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson

So then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.
Make up your fucking mind.

You don't know what you are talking about.

You keep saying these are peaceful protests

I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.

Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.

Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.

You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.

and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.

common sense seems to befuddled you

“A riot is the language of the unheard.

MLK

but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?

Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.

because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.


i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".


but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.


so that was a lie.

Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?

don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?


i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.

I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.

if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

No idea what you are talking about.

i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?

my question stands.


f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,


why should we?

Power was handed over to Donald Trump peacefully on his Inauguration Day. All of the opposition to Donald Trump has been conducted both legally and constitutionally.

So just cut this whole line of bullshit or Donald Trump will be removed from office for sedition, by his own party.

And you have this determination from that great American Constitutional scholar, LizardBitch the Canadian. So you know it's gotta be rock-solid. Don't go thinking you know more about the United States and what's happening here than Constitutional Professor LizardBitch the Canadian, just because you're actually here. The media told her she was right, so just accept it.

Or, alternatively, she could cut the whole line of bullshit that she has something to say about our country that's worth the fetid breath she spends to say it.