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Your own analogy proves my point, PK! If you've got two kinds of cancer...one that's going to kill you in a month unless you deal with it right away...and another that's going to kill you in ten years...which would you address first?I didn't say there wasn't an issue...I simply pointed out that compared to OTHER problems that plague the black community...Police officers killing blacks is WAY down on the list of biggest issues or at least should be!yet are you or are you NOT going "you people" when you say "us people" should have listened to "those peoples" grievances?You never really say anything, but you tend to say a lot of it.You keep saying these are peaceful protestsSo then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.
what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?
I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.
burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?
The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.
Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.
I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom
" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson.
go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.
then come back and try again.
I've addressed this over and over.
What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
Make up your fucking mind.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.
Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.You keep saying these are peaceful protestsSo then this is a rebellion, not a peaceful protest.ok - now what countries push a single narrative under penalty of legal and mass social recourse if you don't follow along?I recall all the cheering over the felonies being charged in Louisville.....then the charges were dropped.
what do you want to happen with this open insurrection? do you want the federal government drive from the cities? do you want the federal government to fall?
I want the government to listen to the grievences of the people.
burning down buildings and killing innocent is the new way of communicating, right?
The founders understood that when the government wouldn't listen that is what you are stuck with. But this has been explained to you before.
Clearly, you were educated in Wuhan as you have no idea what the American Founders crafted.
I'll highlight the part you missed in your Chinese classroom
" First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson.
go ahead - let me know when in the US or where in the US constitution it was ok to shove your narrative over all others in such a manner. when you can't do that - let me know what past leaders have done that.
then come back and try again.
I've addressed this over and over.
What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
Make up your fucking mind.
You don't know what you are talking about.
I keep saying that those who are protesting peacefully are protesting peacefully........and those who aren't, aren't.
Then you quote Jefferson to say rebellions are necessary at times.
Hence you are fill of shit and I know exactly what I'm talking about.
I have never said I didn't support those who have escalated things. Especially after Trump outright dismissed those protesting peacefully. I have NEVER argued that I only support peaceful protest.
and why should he call out those protesting peacefully when they are not who he is after? dismiss their legal activity and go after illegal.
common sense seems to befuddled you
“A riot is the language of the unheard.
MLK
but you people are heard all the time. so, what is your reason for rioting?
Why waste everyone's time? This has been addressed so many times.
because your stated reasons keep being obviously not true.
i mean, you've been making the argument, mostly not explicitly, that the riots are about being "heard".
but, your side dominated the media and pop culture. we hear your side of the debate constantly.
so that was a lie.
Where is this reform Trump said he was going to pass?
don't know, don't care. not my issue. are you implying that he not doing what he said he was going to do, is justification for open insurrection?
i personally, other than some of the prison reform, hope he does not do it. that is not why i supported him for the presidency, and i want him focused more on my issues, than the issues of an unwashed, commie mob.
I'm saying that like you, he isn't listening.
if you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,
why should we?
No idea what you are talking about.
i heard you. now the question is, are you going to hear me?
my question stands.
f you people are no longer respecting the peaceful transfer of power, when you lose an election,
why should we?
Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. None.
i can see that. it is almost like you are not listening to me. ie i am not being heard.
this is something i had mentioned before.
i, and increasingly more and more of america are done being lectured like we are dim witted children.
you complain about not being heard, and use it as a justification for open insurrection.
but, what you really want is not just to be heard, but for your opponents to just stand there like stupid bitches and take your abuse, without any pushback.
well, we are done with that.
we disagree with you. this is a democratic republic. you will not always be getting your way.
can you hear me now?
You like me are irrelevant. Nothing you say matters.
we are a microcosm of what is occurring in the nation at large.
you people,
You can discuss things with me or you can go off and discuss them with "you people".
No, as I said, you, me and others are irrelevant. It matters very little if you listen or not. I gave specific instances. Trump calling people SOB's and Pence turning his back on those peacefully protesting and walking out on them.
getting sick and tired of "you fucks" on the left getting pissed at others for following YOUR LEAD on how to try and address things. you ONLY want things to go ONE way.
fuck that shit.
I'm pro-life. I fully support the 2nd Amendment. I believe in a balanced budget. What makes me "left"? That I understand a need for police reform? I said the same about the couple who were arrested for arming themselves outside of their home.
Do you really believe that "Police Reform!!!" is going to solve the problems of blacks in urban areas, PK? Is it going to stop blacks from shooting other blacks in Chicago and New York? Or is it simply a diversion by the left because they don't want to admit that 60 years of progressive policy has hurt not helped the average black person living in places like Chicago?
It's going to address one problem. You don't accept one issue because it doesn't solve every issue. I don't support the politics of Chicago. Recall, there were protests out in front of Rahm Imanuel's house.
I don't think there's that large of a problem to begin with, PK! The statistics simply don't support a narrative that Police are assassinating black men in this country. On the other hand...black on black gun violence is through the roof in cities like Chicago and New York and ZERO is being done about it! How does defunding the Police going to make that issue go away? The answer to that is that it's not! It's going to make it much worse.
Don't believe there is an issue. I don't care.
And the "cure" for what the left sees as a problem...defunding the Police...is going to make those other more pressing problems FAR worse! Do you "care" about that?
That's like saying one type of cancer is not as prevalent as other kinds so no one should be concentrating on the less prevalent type.
If you aren't trying to spin "defund" you would understand it isn't going to make the other problems worse. Pulling some black guy over because of some made up offense to try and find a little pot in the car is not going to make things worse.
Having fewer Police patrolling in neighborhoods that are now being hit with a tidal wave of shootings isn't going to make things worse? How do you figure that? Of course it will make it worse.