87% or 1.4 billion Muslims are NOT affected by the TEMPORARY TRAVEL BAN. Not much of a "MUSLIM BAN"

[Soggy in NOLA]

Who knows? and it isn't an automatic "in", they just get to go to the front of the line, which will probably be the same situation when the moratorium is lifted in 90 days.

He's giving Christians special privileges because it's a MUSLIM ban.

Tell that to the Pakistanis, Indonesians, Egyptians, Moroccans, and all the others that can still enter the Country.

So he has to ban ALL muslims in order for his "exclusively muslim" ban to be a muslim ban?

Also, what are Trump's thoughts on whether his ban is a Muslim ban?

Well how about that, he thinks it's a Muslim ban.

I would assume a proper Muslim Ban would yes, actually ban all Muslims.

Since this one doesn't, it isn't a Muslim Ban.

How does it feel not to believe any of what you are typing? Are you thinking of it humorously, or are you burying the emotions and guilt over it deep, deep down?

Following your pretzel logic, it is a Christian ban and a Jew ban since these religions exist in these countries. You're as nutty as a squirrel's turd.

 

[NYcarbineer]

He's giving Christians special privileges because it's a MUSLIM ban.

Tell that to the Pakistanis, Indonesians, Egyptians, Moroccans, and all the others that can still enter the Country.

So he has to ban ALL muslims in order for his "exclusively muslim" ban to be a muslim ban?

Also, what are Trump's thoughts on whether his ban is a Muslim ban?

Well how about that, he thinks it's a Muslim ban.

I would assume a proper Muslim Ban would yes, actually ban all Muslims.

Since this one doesn't, it isn't a Muslim Ban.

How does it feel not to believe any of what you are typing? Are you thinking of it humorously, or are you burying the emotions and guilt over it deep, deep down?

Following your pretzel logic, it is a Christian ban and a Jew ban since these religions exist in these countries. You're as nutty as a squirrel's turd.

There's an explicit exception for 'minority religions' in those countries.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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I believe you are a mouth breathing oxygen thief. As for the moratorium, I think Trump is merely following through on what he promised to do.

lol, as if that makes it a good thing.

 

[martybegan]

[

I believe you are a mouth breathing oxygen thief. As for the moratorium, I think Trump is merely following through on what he promised to do.

lol, as if that makes it a good thing.

It does to the people who voted for him, and some who didn't.

That your side has to exaggerate the situation to the degree we are seeing truly shows you are all off your meds.

 

[Care4all]

So it's your position that the countries of origin for hijackers who produced the worst terrorist attack in world history are NOT countries that are likely to host more attackers?

Said country has severely tightened down both its border security and how it keeps tabs on the more militant of its citizens, something the countries on the current list (made by Obama) are unable or unwilling to do.

LMAO!! Okay. You're not getting it. The terrorists didn't immigrate to those countries. They were BORN there.

No, you are the one that appears to be fighting the last war, as usual.

Fighting the last war? Guess where the San Bernardino shooters were from. Then tell me if Trump has a ban on that country.

Orlando shooting: Tell me where he was from, and whether we have a ban on that country.

It's not the past shooters that are an issue, its the ones in the future. and the countries on the list were identified by the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE as having serious issues.

sort of but not really.

If one of the citizens from a country that we give Visa Waivers to travel here, (there are 38 of them), where their citizens can come and visit here on vacation or business for 90 days without any VISA at all, is a duel citizen or has made a trip to one of those 6 countries in the past 6 years, (since the Arab Spring), they are not able to come to the USA without going through the VISA vetting process....they can not get a VISA WAIVER....

Don't you think it is a bit childish for Trump and his minions to throw out in the blogosphere that "we only used the countries Obama chose" as their excuse for a poorly executed executive order, one that was ill advised or not advised at all by his advisors?

Obama was doing everything WRONG according to the right wing with terrorism, yet they now claim they chose the countries that Obama said were the worst... was the reason they chose them?

You can't get more juvenile than that....

There was no thought or reason in this executive order ban, and it has hurt us and will continue to hurt us more than it would ever or could ever help us...

They should have thought through their actions and the countries they picked and seen the consequences of doing this to places like Iraq, where we need the natives to help us.

It did NOTHING to make us safer, it made us less safe and look like complete idiots...

 

[martybegan]

Said country has severely tightened down both its border security and how it keeps tabs on the more militant of its citizens, something the countries on the current list (made by Obama) are unable or unwilling to do.

LMAO!! Okay. You're not getting it. The terrorists didn't immigrate to those countries. They were BORN there.

No, you are the one that appears to be fighting the last war, as usual.

Fighting the last war? Guess where the San Bernardino shooters were from. Then tell me if Trump has a ban on that country.

Orlando shooting: Tell me where he was from, and whether we have a ban on that country.

It's not the past shooters that are an issue, its the ones in the future. and the countries on the list were identified by the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE as having serious issues.

sort of but not really.

If one of the citizens from a country that we give Visa Waivers to travel here, (there are 38 of them), where their citizens can come and visit here on vacation or business for 90 days without any VISA at all, is a duel citizen or has made a trip to one of those 6 countries in the past 6 years, (since the Arab Spring), they are not able to come to the USA without going through the VISA vetting process....they can not get a VISA WAIVER....

Don't you think it is a bit childish for Trump and his minions to throw out in the blogosphere that "we only used the countries Obama chose" as their excuse for a poorly executed executive order, one that was ill advised or not advised at all by his advisors?

Obama was doing everything WRONG according to the right wing with terrorism, yet they now claim they chose the countries that Obama said were the worst were the reason they chose them?

You can't get more juvenile than that....

There was no thought or reason in this executive order ban, and it has hurt us and will continue to hurt us more than it would ever or could ever help us...

They should have thought through their actions and the countries they picked and seen the consequences of doing this to places like Iraq, where we need the natives to help us.

It did NOTHING to make us safer, it made us less safe and look like complete idiots...

It isn't an excuse, whoever came up with the logistics of implementing it saw those countries as already areas of concern where action was taken via existing legislation. Trump just extended the measures taken to a moratorium on all travel. Where he messed up was with the Green Card thing, and it was corrected almost immediately.

 

[kaz]

Said country has severely tightened down both its border security and how it keeps tabs on the more militant of its citizens, something the countries on the current list (made by Obama) are unable or unwilling to do.

LMAO!! Okay. You're not getting it. The terrorists didn't immigrate to those countries. They were BORN there.

No, you are the one that appears to be fighting the last war, as usual.

Fighting the last war? Guess where the San Bernardino shooters were from. Then tell me if Trump has a ban on that country.

Orlando shooting: Tell me where he was from, and whether we have a ban on that country.

It's not the past shooters that are an issue, its the ones in the future. and the countries on the list were identified by the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE as having serious issues.

sort of but not really.

If one of the citizens from a country that we give Visa Waivers to travel here, (there are 38 of them), where their citizens can come and visit here on vacation or business for 90 days without any VISA at all, is a duel citizen or has made a trip to one of those 6 countries in the past 6 years, (since the Arab Spring), they are not able to come to the USA without going through the VISA vetting process....they can not get a VISA WAIVER....

Don't you think it is a bit childish for Trump and his minions to throw out in the blogosphere that "we only used the countries Obama chose" as their excuse for a poorly executed executive order, one that was ill advised or not advised at all by his advisors?

Obama was doing everything WRONG according to the right wing with terrorism, yet they now claim they chose the countries that Obama said were the worst were the reason they chose them?

You can't get more juvenile than that....

There was no thought or reason in this executive order ban, and it has hurt us and will continue to hurt us more than it would ever or could ever help us...

They should have thought through their actions and the countries they picked and seen the consequences of doing this to places like Iraq, where we need the natives to help us.

It did NOTHING to make us safer, it made us less safe and look like complete idiots...

Yes, stopping terrorists from entering is making us "less safe." This is the whack job that you have devolved to. Democrats say think this, and like a good little sycophant you think it. Drilling more oil makes us more energy dependent, right? Raising the minimum wage increases employment, giving people free health insurance is cheaper than giving them free healthcare, up is down, night is day, Democrats are smart ...

 

[Care4all]

LMAO!! Okay. You're not getting it. The terrorists didn't immigrate to those countries. They were BORN there.

No, you are the one that appears to be fighting the last war, as usual.

Fighting the last war? Guess where the San Bernardino shooters were from. Then tell me if Trump has a ban on that country.

Orlando shooting: Tell me where he was from, and whether we have a ban on that country.

It's not the past shooters that are an issue, its the ones in the future. and the countries on the list were identified by the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE as having serious issues.

sort of but not really.

If one of the citizens from a country that we give Visa Waivers to travel here, (there are 38 of them), where their citizens can come and visit here on vacation or business for 90 days without any VISA at all, is a duel citizen or has made a trip to one of those 6 countries in the past 6 years, (since the Arab Spring), they are not able to come to the USA without going through the VISA vetting process....they can not get a VISA WAIVER....

Don't you think it is a bit childish for Trump and his minions to throw out in the blogosphere that "we only used the countries Obama chose" as their excuse for a poorly executed executive order, one that was ill advised or not advised at all by his advisors?

Obama was doing everything WRONG according to the right wing with terrorism, yet they now claim they chose the countries that Obama said were the worst were the reason they chose them?

You can't get more juvenile than that....

There was no thought or reason in this executive order ban, and it has hurt us and will continue to hurt us more than it would ever or could ever help us...

They should have thought through their actions and the countries they picked and seen the consequences of doing this to places like Iraq, where we need the natives to help us.

It did NOTHING to make us safer, it made us less safe and look like complete idiots...

It isn't an excuse, whoever came up with the logistics of implementing it saw those countries as already areas of concern where action was taken via existing legislation. Trump just extended the measures taken to a moratorium on all travel. Where he messed up was with the Green Card thing, and it was corrected almost immediately.

There was never a ban on any travel from those 6 countries...they always had to go through getting visa to come to the USA, Obama never made a change to those country's VISA process.

He made a change to Australia's Visa waiver policy, and England's and France's, and Germany's and Spain's and Portugal's and Scotland's and Sweden's and New Zealand's and the Netherlands' etc. due to the terrorist attacks that were occurring overseas by citizens of their countries....

There was a specific new threat in the 38 friendly country's of ours, and they modified their Visa Waiver program as a reaction and extra step due to that specific problem.

What problem was Trump trying to solve?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Just remember, Trump's original 'plan' was to ban ALL Muslims. That goes back over a year ago to the primary campaign.
What we have now is what Trump simply watered down over time, probably because even he for once realized how thoroughly insane his true desires were, or,

perhaps more likely, he realized how undoable his true desires are.

 

[kaz]

No, you are the one that appears to be fighting the last war, as usual.

Fighting the last war? Guess where the San Bernardino shooters were from. Then tell me if Trump has a ban on that country.

Orlando shooting: Tell me where he was from, and whether we have a ban on that country.

It's not the past shooters that are an issue, its the ones in the future. and the countries on the list were identified by the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE as having serious issues.

sort of but not really.

If one of the citizens from a country that we give Visa Waivers to travel here, (there are 38 of them), where their citizens can come and visit here on vacation or business for 90 days without any VISA at all, is a duel citizen or has made a trip to one of those 6 countries in the past 6 years, (since the Arab Spring), they are not able to come to the USA without going through the VISA vetting process....they can not get a VISA WAIVER....

Don't you think it is a bit childish for Trump and his minions to throw out in the blogosphere that "we only used the countries Obama chose" as their excuse for a poorly executed executive order, one that was ill advised or not advised at all by his advisors?

Obama was doing everything WRONG according to the right wing with terrorism, yet they now claim they chose the countries that Obama said were the worst were the reason they chose them?

You can't get more juvenile than that....

There was no thought or reason in this executive order ban, and it has hurt us and will continue to hurt us more than it would ever or could ever help us...

They should have thought through their actions and the countries they picked and seen the consequences of doing this to places like Iraq, where we need the natives to help us.

It did NOTHING to make us safer, it made us less safe and look like complete idiots...

It isn't an excuse, whoever came up with the logistics of implementing it saw those countries as already areas of concern where action was taken via existing legislation. Trump just extended the measures taken to a moratorium on all travel. Where he messed up was with the Green Card thing, and it was corrected almost immediately.

There was never a ban on any travel from those 6 countries...they always had to go through getting visa to come to the USA, Obama never made a change to those country's VISA process.

He made a change to Australia's Visa waiver policy, and England's and France's, and Germany's and Spain's and Portugal's and Scotland's and Sweden's and New Zealand's and the Netherlands' etc. due to the terrorist attacks that were occurring overseas by citizens of their countries....

There was a specific new threat in the 38 friendly country's of ours, and they modified their Visa Waiver program as a reaction and extra step due to that specific problem.

What problem was Trump trying to solve?

Bull shit. Obama did toughen the screening procedures for VISAs.

And yes, liberals have made clear you want to fight terror attacks after they happen and not in advance. Again one of the many reasons you are a moon bat and a hypocrite who never applies your standards to Democrats

 

[martybegan]

No, you are the one that appears to be fighting the last war, as usual.

Fighting the last war? Guess where the San Bernardino shooters were from. Then tell me if Trump has a ban on that country.

Orlando shooting: Tell me where he was from, and whether we have a ban on that country.

It's not the past shooters that are an issue, its the ones in the future. and the countries on the list were identified by the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE as having serious issues.

sort of but not really.

If one of the citizens from a country that we give Visa Waivers to travel here, (there are 38 of them), where their citizens can come and visit here on vacation or business for 90 days without any VISA at all, is a duel citizen or has made a trip to one of those 6 countries in the past 6 years, (since the Arab Spring), they are not able to come to the USA without going through the VISA vetting process....they can not get a VISA WAIVER....

Don't you think it is a bit childish for Trump and his minions to throw out in the blogosphere that "we only used the countries Obama chose" as their excuse for a poorly executed executive order, one that was ill advised or not advised at all by his advisors?

Obama was doing everything WRONG according to the right wing with terrorism, yet they now claim they chose the countries that Obama said were the worst were the reason they chose them?

You can't get more juvenile than that....

There was no thought or reason in this executive order ban, and it has hurt us and will continue to hurt us more than it would ever or could ever help us...

They should have thought through their actions and the countries they picked and seen the consequences of doing this to places like Iraq, where we need the natives to help us.

It did NOTHING to make us safer, it made us less safe and look like complete idiots...

It isn't an excuse, whoever came up with the logistics of implementing it saw those countries as already areas of concern where action was taken via existing legislation. Trump just extended the measures taken to a moratorium on all travel. Where he messed up was with the Green Card thing, and it was corrected almost immediately.

There was never a ban on any travel from those 6 countries...they always had to go through getting visa to come to the USA, Obama never made a change to those country's VISA process.

He made a change to Australia's Visa waiver policy, and England's and France's, and Germany's and Spain's and Portugal's and Scotland's and Sweden's and New Zealand's and the Netherlands' etc. due to the terrorist attacks that were occurring overseas by citizens of their countries....

There was a specific new threat in the 38 friendly country's of ours, and they modified their Visa Waiver program as a reaction and extra step due to that specific problem.

And placing a moratorium on visa issuances is a step further, not some brand new concept that sprung out of the ground (as the left would want you to believe).
Those countries were listed for greater scrutiny, well they sure as hell got it. Again, and extension of a concept, not a new concept, and one that is perfectly legal and constitutional. The only hangup was the Green Card thing, and that was fixed.

 

[Slade3200]

So it's your position that the countries of origin for hijackers who produced the worst terrorist attack in world history are NOT countries that are likely to host more attackers?

Said country has severely tightened down both its border security and how it keeps tabs on the more militant of its citizens, something the countries on the current list (made by Obama) are unable or unwilling to do.

LMAO!! Okay. You're not getting it. The terrorists didn't immigrate to those countries. They were BORN there.

No, you are the one that appears to be fighting the last war, as usual.

Fighting the last war? Guess where the San Bernardino shooters were from. Then tell me if Trump has a ban on that country.

Orlando shooting: Tell me where he was from, and whether we have a ban on that country.

It's not the past shooters that are an issue, its the ones in the future. and the countries on the list were identified by the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE as having serious issues.

I thought the Obama White House was a disaster and full of incompetent losers who didn't know what the hell they were doing. How many times did Trump say that? Makes me laugh every time one of his surrogates use the "Obama" excuse to justify the countries they selected in the travel ban. You gotta see the irony, right?

 

[martybegan]

Said country has severely tightened down both its border security and how it keeps tabs on the more militant of its citizens, something the countries on the current list (made by Obama) are unable or unwilling to do.

LMAO!! Okay. You're not getting it. The terrorists didn't immigrate to those countries. They were BORN there.

No, you are the one that appears to be fighting the last war, as usual.

Fighting the last war? Guess where the San Bernardino shooters were from. Then tell me if Trump has a ban on that country.

Orlando shooting: Tell me where he was from, and whether we have a ban on that country.

It's not the past shooters that are an issue, its the ones in the future. and the countries on the list were identified by the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE as having serious issues.

I thought the Obama White House was a disaster and full of incompetent losers who didn't know what the hell they were doing. How many times did Trump say that? Makes me laugh every time one of his surrogates use the "Obama" excuse to justify the countries they selected in the travel ban. You gotta see the irony, right?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Slade3200]

He's giving Christians special privileges because it's a MUSLIM ban.

Tell that to the Pakistanis, Indonesians, Egyptians, Moroccans, and all the others that can still enter the Country.

So he has to ban ALL muslims in order for his "exclusively muslim" ban to be a muslim ban?

Also, what are Trump's thoughts on whether his ban is a Muslim ban?

Well how about that, he thinks it's a Muslim ban.

I would assume a proper Muslim Ban would yes, actually ban all Muslims.

Since this one doesn't, it isn't a Muslim Ban.

How does it feel not to believe any of what you are typing? Are you thinking of it humorously, or are you burying the emotions and guilt over it deep, deep down?

Following your pretzel logic, it is a Christian ban and a Jew ban since these religions exist in these countries. You're as nutty as a squirrel's turd.

What's the logic of Trumps tweet?

 

[martybegan]

Tell that to the Pakistanis, Indonesians, Egyptians, Moroccans, and all the others that can still enter the Country.

So he has to ban ALL muslims in order for his "exclusively muslim" ban to be a muslim ban?

Also, what are Trump's thoughts on whether his ban is a Muslim ban?

Well how about that, he thinks it's a Muslim ban.

I would assume a proper Muslim Ban would yes, actually ban all Muslims.

Since this one doesn't, it isn't a Muslim Ban.

How does it feel not to believe any of what you are typing? Are you thinking of it humorously, or are you burying the emotions and guilt over it deep, deep down?

Following your pretzel logic, it is a Christian ban and a Jew ban since these religions exist in these countries. You're as nutty as a squirrel's turd.

What's the logic of Trumps tweet?

He's attempting a "gotcha" moment with Hillary. The fact you had to go back to January of 2016 for it is telling.

 

[hazlnut]

What kind of shit "MUSLIM BAN" is this when 87% of the world's Muslims are still free to enter the USA with PROPER PAPERWORK?

If 1.4 BILLION MUSLIMS can enter the USA, Trump doesn't know how to do a ban.

Silly, you don't round them up all at once. You strip away rights in small, seemingly harmless steps.

 

[hazlnut]

Tell that to the Pakistanis, Indonesians, Egyptians, Moroccans, and all the others that can still enter the Country.

So he has to ban ALL muslims in order for his "exclusively muslim" ban to be a muslim ban?

Also, what are Trump's thoughts on whether his ban is a Muslim ban?

Well how about that, he thinks it's a Muslim ban.

I would assume a proper Muslim Ban would yes, actually ban all Muslims.

Since this one doesn't, it isn't a Muslim Ban.

How does it feel not to believe any of what you are typing? Are you thinking of it humorously, or are you burying the emotions and guilt over it deep, deep down?

Following your pretzel logic, it is a Christian ban and a Jew ban since these religions exist in these countries. You're as nutty as a squirrel's turd.

What's the logic of Trumps tweet?

His Tweets are like mini digital hand jobs for his followers, stroking the impotent rage and self-loathing to the surface.

 

[Slade3200]

LMAO!! Okay. You're not getting it. The terrorists didn't immigrate to those countries. They were BORN there.

No, you are the one that appears to be fighting the last war, as usual.

Fighting the last war? Guess where the San Bernardino shooters were from. Then tell me if Trump has a ban on that country.

Orlando shooting: Tell me where he was from, and whether we have a ban on that country.

It's not the past shooters that are an issue, its the ones in the future. and the countries on the list were identified by the OBAMA WHITE HOUSE as having serious issues.

I thought the Obama White House was a disaster and full of incompetent losers who didn't know what the hell they were doing. How many times did Trump say that? Makes me laugh every time one of his surrogates use the "Obama" excuse to justify the countries they selected in the travel ban. You gotta see the irony, right?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

That doesn't justify or strengthen your argument. You can't call an administration completely incompetent then lean on their action to justify the current actions. Just own it and don't try and hide behind Obama... it's laughable

 

[Dragonlady]

Wow, DRAGONLADY....the message board Canadian resident self proclaimed fact checker has chimed in.

She ONLY deals in facts.

DRAGONLADY, can you fact check for me who POTUS 45 is?

Try fact checking the Constitution. The checks and balances contained in the separation of powers. The Freedom of Religion clauses. Trump was lazy or too dimwitted to read it, as are his followers.

Trump spent his entire election campaign mocking and denigrated the Republican Party in general, but Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell in particular, but these are the guys he really needs to get things done. And these are the guys whose job it also is to protect and uphold the Constitution.

Everyone in the US government has sworn an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution, not the President, the Constitution. Trump is exactly the sort of person they are to protect it against.

 

[Slade3200]

So he has to ban ALL muslims in order for his "exclusively muslim" ban to be a muslim ban?

Also, what are Trump's thoughts on whether his ban is a Muslim ban?

Well how about that, he thinks it's a Muslim ban.

I would assume a proper Muslim Ban would yes, actually ban all Muslims.

Since this one doesn't, it isn't a Muslim Ban.

How does it feel not to believe any of what you are typing? Are you thinking of it humorously, or are you burying the emotions and guilt over it deep, deep down?

Following your pretzel logic, it is a Christian ban and a Jew ban since these religions exist in these countries. You're as nutty as a squirrel's turd.

What's the logic of Trumps tweet?

He's attempting a "gotcha" moment with Hillary. The fact you had to go back to January of 2016 for it is telling.

fair point. Jan 2016 Trump was talking about a Muslim Ban, which is probably where many of today's attacks are coming from. The current EO isn't a Muslim Ban, it is a travel and refugee Ban in high risk countries. It's understandable how this is all getting conflated