A great example of why socialism is better than "charity"

[Ame®icano]

If you think military, roads, and bridges are "Socialism" you are now making a distinction without a difference.

Socialism is the foundation for a Capitalist venture. I never said Socialism is a function of all government.you are planting that seed. It is the building block for Capitalism when applicable. And when it is not, we are dependent on Socialism.

Socialism states that the means of production should be owned or controlled by the government as a representation of the people.


Building a road, is not an attempt to control the economic activity that takes advantage of that road.


Thus it is not socialism.

Fiscal and monetary policy are command economics and socialism.

No they are not as they cannot command anything and that does not define socialism

lol. Public sector spending is socialism. Only the right never gets it and appeal to ignorance instead of reason.

Roads were built, and other public services provided before socialism ever existed. That would be general welfare that founders were talking about, not welfare checks.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism is the foundation for a Capitalist venture. I never said Socialism is a function of all government.you are planting that seed. It is the building block for Capitalism when applicable. And when it is not, we are dependent on Socialism.

Socialism states that the means of production should be owned or controlled by the government as a representation of the people.


Building a road, is not an attempt to control the economic activity that takes advantage of that road.


Thus it is not socialism.

Fiscal and monetary policy are command economics and socialism.

No they are not as they cannot command anything and that does not define socialism

lol. Public sector spending is socialism. Only the right never gets it and appeal to ignorance instead of reason.

Roads were built, and other public services provided before socialism ever existed. That would be general welfare that founders were talking about, not welfare checks.

Government and using the Other Peoples' tax money is socialism. Fiscal policies affect our economy and the private sector.

 

[skookerasbil]

lol.....ever see the #'s on charitable donations from liberals? A charitable donation from them is dropping a nickel into the Salvation Army Santa pot during the holidays.

 

[danielpalos]

lol.....ever see the #'s on charitable donations from liberals? A charitable donation from them is dropping a nickel into the Salvation Army Santa pot during the holidays.

Private charity covers multitudes of sins not poverty.

let's convince the chics, sexual charity also should cover multitudes of sins.

 

[Polishprince]

Christian homeless shelter defends decision to turn away trans woman

A Christian homeless shelter in Alaska has defended turning away a homeless transgender woman on a cold January evening.

The Downtown Hope Center shelter in Anchorage, Alaska, is under investigation from the city’s Equal Rights Commission after a vulnerable homeless trans woman with nowhere to sleep was denied access into the women’s shelter.
Police had dropped the unnamed woman, identified as Jessie Doe, at the overnight shelter in January 2018—but twice in two days she was turned away by staff.

The average overnight January temperature in Anchorage, Alaska, is -12° Celsius (9° Fahrenheit).

Here is a "charity" that picks those it helps by criteria other than need. The US needs more socialism so that less people freeze on Winters nights. So does the UK for that matter. .

A man in a dress is not a broad.

The shelter in question would have been sued if they admitted this dude into the Homeless Broads Shelter and someone accused him of assaulting or harassing them.

 

[saveliberty]

i smoke two joints, and then smoke two more, merely to have high hopes and pipe dreams the right wing will have more than bigotry and appeals to ignorance.

You may have a point, appealing to your ignorance has done nothing to change that for you.

 

[danielpalos]

i smoke two joints, and then smoke two more, merely to have high hopes and pipe dreams the right wing will have more than bigotry and appeals to ignorance.

You may have a point, appealing to your ignorance has done nothing to change that for you.

i still have high hopes and pipe dreams you may eventually resort to an argument instead of only fallacy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

i still have high hopes and pipe dreams

Hehe.

 

[Correll]

Its a stretch of an argument but without roads and bridges, there wouldnt be near the economic activity.
80% of people who complain about socialism consider military roads and bridges basic govt functions. Without it, there would be absolutely no need for a government in the first place.. Thats why i said it was a stretch.
Its desperation.

That's exactly it. Idiot ideologues be all like "get gummint out of EVERYTHING because socialism!" --- then when you point out the power grid, the infrastructure, the skyways, etc etc etc, they go "Oh that's DIFFERENT. Basic government functions! Where's my SS check?"

It's another way of having one's definitions both ways.

SS isnt a basic govt function.
If they say that, they are dumb regardless.

Dood, you fixated on the tree. See the forest.

Im tree fucking the forest, pogo.big orgy. Dont give me that shit.
There is a difference between what socialist people want and basic govt functions. 85% of our govt isnt basic functions. Its a police state and welfare socialist bullshit

Don't play this shit Homes. Ain't nobody buying. You're cherrypicking a single word to make the post go away. That word is nothing more than the optional chewy caramel center, optional at no extra cost, a throwaway snark to the indignities of hypocrisy.

In other words it has no effect on the point at all. Watch, I'll prove it. Remove that part:

That's exactly it. Idiot ideologues be all like "get gummint out of EVERYTHING because socialism!" --- then when you point out the power grid, the infrastructure, the skyways, etc etc etc, they go "Oh that's DIFFERENT. Basic government functions!"

It's another way of having one's definitions both ways.​

See? Get the point now? And the thing is I was agreeing with you.

You suck moose cock.

When conservatives fight socialists for decades, we can get sloppy with out phrasing, in arguing against government overreach.

Some conservatives might even overreact to the socialism on the Left, becoming actually very opposed to the very idea of government.

But if a conservatives says something that comes across as unreasonably anti-government, and when called on it, clarifies his position to the more reasonable "against government OVERREACH",


That is reasonable.

 

[danielpalos]

Government is social-ism.

The right wing has no valid arguments, only fallacy.

 

[sealybobo]

You said the conservative puts the wife down.

That is after he exhausts all other options of course which means begging friends first then the government.

Not at all. The Conservative understands Personal Responsibility and therefore does not beg anyone to pay for their needs. The Conservative understands thst once something is no longer useful and becomes a burden it needs to be disposed of lest it drag everyone down with it.

The conservative in me agrees with you.

 

[Soupnazi630]

socialism is GREAT--just look at the USSR

Capitalism "died in 1929" and socialism has been bailing out capitalism ever since.

Socialism has never bailed out anything and is ok only robbing capitalists

true capitalism is nature not nurture.

It's neither

 

[Soupnazi630]

socialism is GREAT--just look at the USSR

Capitalism "died in 1929" and socialism has been bailing out capitalism ever since.

Regardless of what thread is about, this turd is there to clog it by shilling for communism.

How many times I have to flush before you go away?

your appeal to ignorance?

We have a mixed market economy.

Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

And the mix is a mess which needs to be repaired by destroying the proven failure of socialist ideas.

the right wing is wasting our exorbitantly expensive superpower on frivolous policies.

So is the left wing

 

[Soupnazi630]

the law is employment at will. why call kettles black.

That has nothing to do with unemployment payments dumbass. It does mean that you get payments if your employer fires you without cause. See, if your a thief at work, you don't get paid. Not enough work? Sure, get a check. A clear thought has no chance of escaping into your posts does it?

An at-will employment State must prove for-cause employment to deny or disparage compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

Stop lying you have been corrected and proven wrong

You know this.

There is no natural rate of unemployment as I irrefutably proved and schooled you on in another thread

anybody can appeal to ignorance. Men can build a wall of arguments.

And so far you have ignorance but no bricks for your wall.

 

[Soupnazi630]

If you think military, roads, and bridges are "Socialism" you are now making a distinction without a difference.

Socialism is the foundation for a Capitalist venture. I never said Socialism is a function of all government.you are planting that seed. It is the building block for Capitalism when applicable. And when it is not, we are dependent on Socialism.

Socialism states that the means of production should be owned or controlled by the government as a representation of the people.


Building a road, is not an attempt to control the economic activity that takes advantage of that road.


Thus it is not socialism.

Fiscal and monetary policy are command economics and socialism.

No they are not as they cannot command anything and that does not define socialism

lol. Public sector spending is socialism. Only the right never gets it and appeal to ignorance instead of reason.

That is not socialism and only the uneducated make such invalid statements

Making up definitions is not reasonable which is what you have done.

 

[danielpalos]

socialism is GREAT--just look at the USSR

Capitalism "died in 1929" and socialism has been bailing out capitalism ever since.

Socialism has never bailed out anything and is ok only robbing capitalists

true capitalism is nature not nurture.

It's neither

it must be.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Socialism states that the means of production should be owned or controlled by the government as a representation of the people.


Building a road, is not an attempt to control the economic activity that takes advantage of that road.


Thus it is not socialism.

Fiscal and monetary policy are command economics and socialism.

No they are not as they cannot command anything and that does not define socialism

lol. Public sector spending is socialism. Only the right never gets it and appeal to ignorance instead of reason.

Roads were built, and other public services provided before socialism ever existed. That would be general welfare that founders were talking about, not welfare checks.

Government and using the Other Peoples' tax money is socialism. Fiscal policies affect our economy and the private sector.

That is not socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism "died in 1929" and socialism has been bailing out capitalism ever since.

Regardless of what thread is about, this turd is there to clog it by shilling for communism.

How many times I have to flush before you go away?

your appeal to ignorance?

We have a mixed market economy.

Congress commands fiscal policy and the Fed commands monetary policy.

And the mix is a mess which needs to be repaired by destroying the proven failure of socialist ideas.

the right wing is wasting our exorbitantly expensive superpower on frivolous policies.

So is the left wing

we have better solutions at lower cost. the right wing has nothing but repeal.

 

[Soupnazi630]

socialism is GREAT--just look at the USSR

Capitalism "died in 1929" and socialism has been bailing out capitalism ever since.

Socialism has never bailed out anything and is ok only robbing capitalists

true capitalism is nature not nurture.

It's neither

it must be.

No it is not and there is no reason for it to be

 

[danielpalos]

the law is employment at will. why call kettles black.

That has nothing to do with unemployment payments dumbass. It does mean that you get payments if your employer fires you without cause. See, if your a thief at work, you don't get paid. Not enough work? Sure, get a check. A clear thought has no chance of escaping into your posts does it?

An at-will employment State must prove for-cause employment to deny or disparage compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

Stop lying you have been corrected and proven wrong

You know this.

There is no natural rate of unemployment as I irrefutably proved and schooled you on in another thread

anybody can appeal to ignorance. Men can build a wall of arguments.

And so far you have ignorance but no bricks for your wall.

non sequiturs are still fallacies and inferior as an argument.