A gun made for women? European women don't bother watching, you aren't allowed to protect yourselves anyway....

[Vagabond63]

Mass Public Shootings in the US vs. Gun Controlled Europe

The Ethan Allen Institute is Vermont’s free-market public policy research and education organization. A “think tank.”

www.ethanallen.org

When I said "we" I meant the UK, but obviously that went over your head.
Oh dear, I stopped reading after research by John Lott was mentioned, another exercise in statistical gymnastics, next?

 

[Vagabond63]

You're a fucking clown.

You are projecting again, but that's not surprising, I bet you voted for Trump.

You've outlawed guns in your country - leaving it a violent hell hole, FAR more violent than the USA. That you might live through the beating and rapes that are so common is of little comfort.

Well according to Travel Safe abroad.com, it appears the USA barely makes it into the safe country category, on a par with Cambodia and Equatorial Guinea with a score of 68, while the UK scores 77, while Japan, Spain and Sweden score 83. More evidence that a well regulated control of firearms makes for a safer country.

 

[Blues Man]

You are projecting again, but that's not surprising, I bet you voted for Trump.

Well according to Travel Safe abroad.com, it appears the USA barely makes it into the safe country category, on a par with Cambodia and Equatorial Guinea with a score of 68, while the UK scores 77, while Japan, Spain and Sweden score 83. More evidence that a well regulated control of firearms makes for a safer country.

How many times do you need to be told that people in the US don't care what you people in foreign countries think about our right to own guns and we never will.

Americans know that it isn't the vast majority of law abiding gun owners that are committing crimes and unlike you people Americans don't believe in taking rights away from a person who hasn't actually committed any crimes.

But I think that is something you will never understand.

 

[Vagabond63]

How many times do you need to be told that people in the US don't care what you people in foreign countries think about our right to own guns and we never will.

Americans know that it isn't the vast majority of law abiding gun owners that are committing crimes and unlike you people Americans don't believe in taking rights away from a person who hasn't actually committed any crimes.

But I think that is something you will never understand.

Hey, 2aguy started trolling the Europe forum with his "gun control doesn't work" agenda. Don't blame me if one or more of us merely return the favour. Oh, you do know that 66% of Americans are in favour of stricter gun control, must keep you awake at nights....

 

[2aguy]

I have backed it up to my satisfaction with post #53. My point is further reinforced because 2aguy launched a torrent of cherry picked cut and paste posts to try and deflect and obfuscate, like he normally does when his "argument" (and I use the term loosely, is destroyed.

Still if you look at countries with strict gun controls, their gun death figures are dramatically lower, even allowing for differences in population to those of the USA.

Case in point, and I only show this as an example because I live there 5-6 months of the year; Spain.

Spain has some of the most draconian gun restrictions in Europe,

"How can I buy or sell a weapon?
Once the license is obtained, a weapon can be purchased in an armoury, nevertheless the purchaser cannot walk away with the new weapon. The armoury will have to send it to the new owner address using a specialized transport company.

Weapons can be sold to another person with a legitimate licence. The sale will have to be authorised and supervised by the Guardia Civil. After filling the forms and receiving the authorisations the seller will surrender the arm to the Guardia Civil. The buyer will then fetch collect it on the Guardia Civil premises.

Weapons can be lent to another person for a maximum time of 15 days provided that a form is filed at the Guardia Civil and the other person has the necessary licenses.

Can I use a firearm for self-defence?​

Security professionals during their servicewhile working are allowed to use their calibre 38 handguns within a specific mission (they are not allowed to use any other weapon) and only for self-defence.

A private person can use a firearm only for hunting or for sport shooting. In very specific cases (people under threat or security officials) the government can authorise the use of a handgun for self-defence.

There are many cases of people with a license for sport or hunting, that after have used their weapon in a case of self-defence and then were sentenced for illegal use of firearms.

Ownership of Firearms in Spain | Velasco Lawyers

The Legislation on the use and ownership of firearms in Spain is probably one of the most restrictive in Europe. This is included in the Spanish constitution under article 149.26 where it is said that the Spanish government has exclusive competence control over production, sale, possession and...

www.velascolawyers.com

According to the latest comparable figures for 2022 that I've found, and I'll generously remove gun suicides as you people seem obsessed with not counting them,

Gun deaths (non suicide) in USA 12,478

Gun deaths (non suicide) Spain 37
Gun deaths (non suicide)in UK 162
Gun deaths (non suicide)in Sweden 157
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Australia 34
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Norway 2

I could go on and on, but I'm sure you can recognise a pattern here, the more access to firearms is "well regulated" (see what I did there?) the less people are killed by irresponsible, crazy, or criminal gun owners.

Illegal guns are flowing into all the countries of Europe, and you think of the criminals of Spain wanted to turn to violence the way Sweden’s criminals have their gun laws would stop them?
Now that is stupid thinking, something you are an expert with…..

I see you left Sweden off of your list since their just completed election this week was focused on increasing gun, and grenade violence…….by immigrant gangs……..

Again, I point out that the governments of Europe murdered 15 million people in roughly 6 years of murder……after they disarmed their peoples stating that taking their guns would make them safer….

246 years of gun murder in the U.S. doesn’t come close to that number………and the victims in our gun murder are majority criminals engaged in crime…while your victims were innocent people rounded up by their governments for murder……..

Also, you refuse to accept that normal, gun owning Americans do not use their legal guns for crime or murder….

Over 350 million Americans.

Over 600 million guns.

Over 21.5 million Americans legally carry guns in public for self defense.

And according to the CDC 1.2 million Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies, murders, mass public shootings, beating and stabbings.....1.5 million according to the Department of Justice, 2.5 million according to the famous Gary Kleck research.

And the individuals driving our gun crime are not of those normal people......the vast majority of gun murder in our country happens because we have a political party, the democrat party, that has made it their goal to destroy our local police forces.....forcing them to stop doing their job, forcing vast numbers of officers to quit or retire.....then, to add to the gun murder problem, democrat party prosecutors refuse to prosecute known, captured gun offenders, refuse to charge known, captured repeat gun offenders, and our judges release known, repeat gun offenders on No Cash bail, over and over again.......then, our democrat party polititicans lower the penalties for violent gun offenses, lower the penalties for repeat, gun offending felons......it is these individuals released by the democrat party who are doing the shooting and murder in the cities the democrats control....complete control.......

Then you have the fact that the countries of Europe suffered through both World War 1 and World War 2....it destroyed their countries to an extent that people just can't grasp.......While the United States proceeded to destroy our families with "The Great Society," and our violence began to increase beginning in the mid 1960s......Europe was trying to rebuild after World War 2......and now, they are finally catching up with the destruction of their families that is leading to their increase in violence.....they are just about where the U.S. was in the mid 1960s....violence is escalating throughout Europe....mainly do to their welfare states, and now with the accelerant of foreign cultures within their borders that came from war torn countries...that do not respect European culture. laws, or police....

 

[2aguy]

I have backed it up to my satisfaction with post #53. My point is further reinforced because 2aguy launched a torrent of cherry picked cut and paste posts to try and deflect and obfuscate, like he normally does when his "argument" (and I use the term loosely, is destroyed.

Still if you look at countries with strict gun controls, their gun death figures are dramatically lower, even allowing for differences in population to those of the USA.

Case in point, and I only show this as an example because I live there 5-6 months of the year; Spain.

Spain has some of the most draconian gun restrictions in Europe,

"How can I buy or sell a weapon?
Once the license is obtained, a weapon can be purchased in an armoury, nevertheless the purchaser cannot walk away with the new weapon. The armoury will have to send it to the new owner address using a specialized transport company.

Weapons can be sold to another person with a legitimate licence. The sale will have to be authorised and supervised by the Guardia Civil. After filling the forms and receiving the authorisations the seller will surrender the arm to the Guardia Civil. The buyer will then fetch collect it on the Guardia Civil premises.

Weapons can be lent to another person for a maximum time of 15 days provided that a form is filed at the Guardia Civil and the other person has the necessary licenses.

Can I use a firearm for self-defence?​

Security professionals during their servicewhile working are allowed to use their calibre 38 handguns within a specific mission (they are not allowed to use any other weapon) and only for self-defence.

A private person can use a firearm only for hunting or for sport shooting. In very specific cases (people under threat or security officials) the government can authorise the use of a handgun for self-defence.

There are many cases of people with a license for sport or hunting, that after have used their weapon in a case of self-defence and then were sentenced for illegal use of firearms.

Ownership of Firearms in Spain | Velasco Lawyers

The Legislation on the use and ownership of firearms in Spain is probably one of the most restrictive in Europe. This is included in the Spanish constitution under article 149.26 where it is said that the Spanish government has exclusive competence control over production, sale, possession and...

www.velascolawyers.com

According to the latest comparable figures for 2022 that I've found, and I'll generously remove gun suicides as you people seem obsessed with not counting them,

Gun deaths (non suicide) in USA 12,478

Gun deaths (non suicide) Spain 37
Gun deaths (non suicide)in UK 162
Gun deaths (non suicide)in Sweden 157
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Australia 34
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Norway 2

I could go on and on, but I'm sure you can recognise a pattern here, the more access to firearms is "well regulated" (see what I did there?) the less people are killed by irresponsible, crazy, or criminal gun owners.

And the problem in Sweden.....

"Our kids are actually dying - and it's weekly. Mother after mother, after mother is burying their kids," the heartbreaking words I heard from Maritha, a mother whose son Marley was shot dead on the streets of Stockholm.

Maritha spends her time campaigning to end gun crime, whilst her son's killer is yet to face justice.

When I travelled to Stockholm for my On Assignment report, Maritha would be the first person to tell me the primary factor driving Sweden's rising gun crime murders was segregation, but she would not be last.

The headlines about serious youth violence and gang crime bring to mind cities such as London, New York and Sao Paulo.

But, few would think of or know that Stockholm, Sweden, has become one of the worst places in Europe for Gun violence.

http://[URL='https://www.itv.com/ne...otings-are-on-the-increase-in-swedens-suburbs

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A suspected bomb blast which tore through an apartment block, injuring 20 people in the Swedish city of Gothenburg in the early hours of Tuesday has reignited the country's debate over rampant gang violence.

Police say that an explosive device was 'probably' placed at the scene, with sources revealing that an officer who recently testified at a major gang trial lived in the building.

Prime Minister Stefan Lofven refused to 'speculate' but it's hard to blame Swedes for rushing to conclusions: more than 200 explosions and 360 shootings reverberated through their cities in 2020.
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Police chiefs blame the violence on 'criminal clans that have a completely different culture' and a 'generous welfare system and trusting society can be exploited by the criminal networks.'

The country last year suffered its highest level of murder and manslaughter for at least 18 years, with 124 people killed in violent attacks. Eighty per cent were linked to gangs and 39 per cent involved guns.
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Gun crime is also rampant, which BRA attributes to increased gangs, drug trafficking, and low confidence in the police.
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In 2020, Sweden recorded more than 360 gun-involved incident, with 47 deaths and 117 people wounded.
After a long period of decline, gun violence steadily increased from the mid-2000s and continues to do so.
Shooting deaths more than doubled between 2011 and 2019 and now account for 40 per cent of violent deaths.
'The increase in gun homicide in Sweden is closely linked to criminal milieux in socially disadvantaged areas,' the report said.
Eighty per cent of shootings were linked to gangs, a significantly higher proportion than in other European countries.

As 'bomb blast' injures 20, how Sweden is being plagued by explosions​

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Sweden has gone from having one of the lowest rates of gun violence in Europe to having one of the highest, a report said on Wednesday, describing what one researcher called a "social contagion" of killings.​

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The report said eight out of 10 shootings took place in a "criminal environment", with gang conflicts mentioned as one of the potential reasons for the trend. The drugs trade and low confidence towards the police in some parts of society were also cited as potential factors.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/social-contagion-sweden-sees-surge-deadly-shootings-2021-05-26/​

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The increase in gun homicide in Sweden is closely linked to criminal milieux in socially disadvantaged areas,” the report said, noting that shooting deaths had more than doubled between 2011 and 2019 and now accounted for 40% of violent deaths.
The report said more than eight out of 10 shootings were linked to organised crime, a significantly higher proportion than in other countries, and cited gang wars, the drugs trade and low confidence towards the police as potential factors.
The report said a decline in other forms of deadly violence, including knife crime, had masked the rise in fatal shootings.
Of 22 European countries analysed in the report, data from 2014-2017 put the country in second place, behind Croatia and ahead of Latvia. In 2018 it topped the ranking, although data from some countries was not complete that year.
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Last year the country of 10.3 million people recorded more than 360 incidents involving guns, including 47 deaths and 117 people injured.
Sweden is the only European country where fatal shootings have risen significantly since 2000, leaping from one of the lowest rates of gun violence on the continent to one of the highest in less than a decade, a report has found.
The report, by the Swedish national council for crime prevention (BRA), said the Scandinavian country had overtaken Italy and eastern European countries primarily because of the violent activities of organised criminal gangs.
Sweden’s gun violence rate has soared due to gangs, report says

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Swedish capital sees 79% spike in shootings as govt laments ‘high levels’ of violence in the Scandinavian country
Sweden recorded a surge in gun-related violence last year, according to new figures released by the government amid accusations that authorities have turned a blind eye to rising crime in the country.
Interior Minister Mikael Damberg disclosed on Monday that 47 people were killed and 117 injured in 366 shooting incidents in 2020, marking a 10 percent increase in gun violence when compared to statistics from 2019.

Damberg noted that in nearly half of the shootings registered last year, someone was injured or killed. “We will neither accept nor get used to such high levels of violence,” he said.


The situation in Malmo, a city with a large migrant population that has struggled with gang violence, has improved, while crime is surging in Stockholm, the interior minister pointed out.

According to Damberg, the Swedish capital saw a staggering 79 percent increase in shootings in 2020.
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Most of the violent incidents occurred in 60 suburbs across the country identified by police as “vulnerable” areas. Damberg said that while 5.4 percent of Sweden’s population live in such neighborhoods, they account for more than half of the nation’s fatal shootings.


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In the report on Tuesday, the Swedish Television, citing statistics from the Swedish Police Authority, revealed that by November, there had been as many shootings in 2020 as during the whole of 2019.
Between January 1 and December 15, there were 349 confirmed shootings in Sweden, with 111 people wounded and 44 dead as a result, Xinhua news agency quoted the report as saying.
The death toll is close to the highest number on record so far -- 45 gun-related fatalities in 2018.
Most of the shootings, or 146, occurred in the capital Stockholm, where 23 deaths and 48 injuries were reported.
According to the police, most incidents were related to organised crime and conflicts between gang members.
Criminologist Joakim Sturup told Swedish Television that a major reason behind the worrying statistics is that automatic weapons are becoming more commonly used by gang members.

Sweden witnesses spike in shooting incidents​

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Shootings on the Rise in Sweden Despite Crackdown on Gang Violence, COVID-19 Epidemic​

The number of shootings is increasing in Sweden, despite a national effort to curtail gang violence amid the ongoing coronavirus epidemic, SVT reported.​

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The police also noted that the raging coronavirus epidemic, contrary to some people's expectations, has not had a major impact on crime. This is likely due to the fact that Sweden, unlike most European nations, has consistently avoided lockdowns. Even the flow of drugs has not been disturbed to any great extent, the police said. However, there is still a risk that reduced access to drugs may increase violence.

Crime gangs in Sweden: What's behind the rise in the use of explosives?

The frequent use of explosives is a relatively recent phenomenon, and criminologists told The Local that the blasts can be seen as part of an overall rise in violence and growing recklessness in these criminal networks.

Amir Rostami, a police superintendent turned sociologist with a focus on criminal gangs, told The Local that so-called 'street gangs' are showing an increased tendency towards violence, and that this violence was becoming more severe when it took place.

"If previously they maybe fired one shot or shot someone in the legs, today it's more about AK47s, using more bullets, hand grenades and explosions that we didn't see before. I'd say that's the biggest shift we see – they're more reckless, they don't seem to care about the consequences," Rostami said.

Fatal shootings linked to criminal gangs have increased from around four per year in the early 1990s to over 40 in 2018. And while the blasts that have taken place in Sweden have caused no fatalities so far this year, they could be seen as a sign that the gangs are unafraid of causing damage and potentially harming people.
No, Sweden, hand grenade attacks aren’t an ‘image’ problem

In 2018 there were 162 bombings reported to police, and 93 reported in the first five months of this year, 30 more than during the same period in 2018. The level of attacks is “extreme in a country that is not at war,” Crime Commissioner Gunnar Appelgren told SVT last year.
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The use of hand grenades is a purely Swedish phenomenon too, with no other country in Europe reporting their use on such a level, a police manager told Swedish Radio in 2016, a year after attacks first spiked.

The grenades used almost exclusively originate in the former Yugoslavia, and are sold in Sweden for around $100 per piece. But while only three hand grenades were thrown in Kosovo between 2013 and 2014, more than 20 have been used in Sweden every year since 2015.

More broadly, homicide has risen in Sweden, with more than 300 shootings reported last year, causing 45 deaths. Though homicide rates had been in decline since 2002, they again began trending upwards in 2015, as did rapes and sexual assaults, which more than tripled in the last four years.

Of course, 2015 was also the year in which Sweden flung open its doors to more than 160,000 asylum seekers, more per capita than any other European country.
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Dagens Nyheter pointed out that 90 percent of shooting perpetrators in Sweden are either first or second generation immigrants.​

Bomb attacks are now a normal part of Swedish life | The Spectator​

Only days after the murder of Karolin Hakim, another young woman fell victim to the gang wars. Eighteen-year-old Ndella Jack was killed as someone fired an automatic weapon into her flat in western Stockholm, probably aiming for her husband, a well-known figure in Stockholm’s gang scene. Less than a week after the murder, associates of Ms Jack’s husband were lured to a middle-class suburb of Stockholm, where they had been promised information about her killer. Shots were fired, missing the targets and hitting instead a taxi driver and a resident in a nearby building. One victim, also a university student, lost his sight in an eye after it was hit by a bullet


Holding Sweden hostage: firearm-related violence

Statistics from the NBHW shows that the number of individuals in Sweden injured by a firearm has greatly increased since 2009. Between 2012 and 2017, the number of individuals that were injured by a firearm increased by 50% [13]. Figure 3 outlines the number of individuals being treated at Swedish hospitals for firearm-related injuries.
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International reports [1, 2], the Swedish police [12,19], and Swedish scholars [3–6,20,21] agree that the main cause for the increase in the rate of firearm-related violence is the presence of many gangs and criminal networks in Sweden.

Although gangs and criminal networks have always existed in Sweden, street gangs flourished in the late 1990s and are today considered to be one of the main security problems in the country [22–24]. Swedish gangs and foremost criminal networks have not only continued to increase, butthey have also become bolder and more violent as can be seen in their use of firearms and explosive devices as their modus operandi [3,6].

Another very important source of the increase of firearm-related violence in Sweden is the easy access to illegal firearms. Although Sweden was, for decades, shielded from firearm-related violence, mostly because of its restrictive gun laws, the easy access to illegal firearms, in addition to the many gangs and criminal networks in the country, is the main reason for the disturbing increase in the country’s rate of firearm-related violence. According to police reports, there has been a high inflow of illegal weapons into Sweden from the western Balkans [12].
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IN DEPTH: What’s behind the rise in gang violence across Sweden?

Honour, debts, and prestige are serving as the pretext for an increasing number of deadly shootings that challenge the ideals of equality and social harmony on which modern Sweden was built.
https://wjla.com/news/inside-your-world/stats-in-sweden-show-rise-in-violence-after-refugee-surge

Murder rose 11 percent in 2016 when compared to 2015's numbers.

Men specifically are killed by gunfire at an increased rate too - up 28 percent in that same time period.

Leading up to 2016, more than a quarter million refugees applied for asylum in Sweden, most fleeing war zones in Muslim-majority countries.​

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Abstract​

Recent reports state that firearm-related violence is increasing in Sweden. In order to understand the trend of firearm-related violence in Sweden with regard to rate, modus operandi (MO) and homicide typology, and for which injuries and causes of death firearm-related violence is responsible, a systematic literature review was conducted. After a thorough search in different databases, a total of 25 studies published in Swedish and English peer-review journals were identified and thus analyzed. The results show that even though knives/sharp weapons continue to be the most common MO in a violent crime in Sweden, firearm-related violence is significantly increasing in the country and foremost when discussing gang-related crimes. Moreover, firearm-related homicides and attempted homicides are increasing in the country. The studies also show that a firearm is much more lethal than a knife/sharp weapon, and that the head, thorax and the abdomen are the most lethal and serious anatomical locations in which to be hit. It is principally the three largest cities of Sweden which are affected by the many shootings in recent years. The police have severe difficulties in solving firearm-related crimes such as homicide and attempted homicide, which is why the confidence and trust for the Swedish judicial system may be decreasing among the citizens. Several reforms have taken place in Sweden in the last few years, but their effect on firearm-related violence remains to be studied.
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4/19/18

Sweden’s violent reality is undoing a peaceful self-image

Gang-related gun murders, now mainly a phenomenon among men with immigrant backgrounds in the country’s parallel societies, increased from 4 per year in the early 1990s to around 40 last year. Because of this, Sweden has gone from being a low-crime country to having homicide rates significantly above the Western European average. Social unrest, with car torchings, attacks on first responders and even riots, is a recurring phenomenon.

Shootings in the country have become so common that they don’t make top headlines anymore, unless they are spectacular or lead to fatalities.

News of attacks are quickly replaced with headlines about sports events and celebrities, as readers have become desensitized to the violence.


A generation ago, bombings against the police and riots were extremely rare events. Today, reading about such incidents is considered part of daily life.

3/9/18

https://www.economist.com/news/euro...edish-sense-security-why-are-young-men-sweden
IT WAS supposed to be a sneaky afternoon cigarette break.

Then a gunman in black appeared and shot 15-year-old Robin Sinisalo in the head.

His older brother Alejandro was shot four times. Robin died immediately on the doorstep of his home in north-west Stockholm. Alejandro was left in a wheelchair for life. Two years later, the boys’ mother, Carolina, says the police still have no leads.

Robin’s fate is increasingly common in Sweden. In 2011 only 17 people were killed by firearms. In 2017 the country had over 300 shootings, leaving 41 people dead and over 100 injured.

The violence mostly stems from street gangs running small-time drug operations in big cities such as Stockholm, the capital, Malmö and Gothenburg.

Gang members have even used hand grenades to attack police stations.

Between 2010 and 2015, people were killed by illegal firearms at the same rate as in southern Italy. Though Sweden is still a relatively peaceful place, this is worrying.

Acquiring a legal gun requires strict screening, but Kalashnikovs from the Yugoslav wars are readily available on the black market. To sweeten the deal, smugglers often throw in hand grenades (there were 43 grenade incidents in Sweden last year). The victims and perpetrators of gang violence are nearly always young men.

But shootings with illegal guns have been rising since the mid-2000s. Most gang members are indeed first- or second-generation immigrants—72% of them, according to one report, but they tend not to be new arrivals.



3/3/18

Sweden grenades increasing...


Hand Grenades and Gang Violence Rattle Sweden’s Middle Class

Weapons from a faraway, long-ago war are flowing into immigrant neighborhoods here, puncturing Swedes’ sense of confidence and security.

The country’s murder rate remains low, by American standards, and violent crime is stable or dropping in many places. But gang-related assaults and shootings are becoming more frequent, and the number of neighborhoods categorized by the police as “marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity” is rising. Crime and immigration are certain to be key issues in September’s general election, alongside the traditional debates over education and health care.

Continue reading the main story


Part of the reason is that Sweden’s gang violence, long contained within low-income suburbs, has begun to spill out. In large cities, hospitals report armed confrontations in emergency rooms, and school administrators say threats and weapons have become commonplace. Last week two men from Uppsala, both in their 20s, were arrested on charges of throwing grenades at the home of a bank employee who investigates fraud cases.

An earlier jolt came with the death of Mr. Zuniga, who on Jan. 7 picked up the grenade, which the police believe had been thrown by members of a local gang targeting a rival gang or police officers.

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Affixed to the wall in Mr. Appelgren’s office in Stockholm’s Police Headquarters is a chart showing the increase in the use of hand grenades. Until 2014 there were about a handful every year. In 2015, that number leapt: 45 grenades were seized by the police, and 10 others were detonated. The next year, 55 were seized and 35 detonated. A modest decrease occurred in 2017, when 39 were seized and 21 were detonated.

Mr. Appelgren has watched the trend apprehensively, calling it an arms race among gangs.

“I think we’re going to see, if we don’t stop it, more drive-by shootings with Kalashnikovs and hand grenades,” he said. “They throw rocks and bottles at our cars, and they trick us in an ambush. When will it happen that they ambush us with Kalashnikovs? It’s coming.”



https://www.thelocal.se/20170905/wh...ings-per-capita-than-norway-and-germany-malmo

Sweden has in recent years seen a sharp increase in the number of shootings per capita, with research suggesting that the Scandinavian country is statistically on par with southern Italy and parts of Ireland.
In 2016, some 250 shootings (random, fatal and non-fatal) were registered by police in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. In 2014, that number came to 200, indicating that Sweden is experiencing a drastic rise in such incidents.
“We don’t really know why yet, but what we can see is that the increase comes as we also see a rise in gang-related crimes and a growing number of criminal networks,” Manne Gerell, a criminologist at Malmö University, told The Local, after Swedish public radio first wrote about new research he is involved in.
One study which is yet to be published suggests that Sweden experienced four to five times as many fatal shootings per capita as Norway and Germany in 2008-2014, two otherwise similar countries. Previous figures have shown that deadly violence in general is going down in Sweden, but gun violence has gone up.
Gerell also singled out Malmö, Sweden’s third-largest city, as the one place where shootings are becoming particularly common.
“Malmö stands out,” he said, noting that the southern city is somewhat more exposed to social problems and poverty in comparison to both the capital and Gothenburg.
“Malmö is also what we describe an ‘early adopter’ when it comes to crime. It was the first of the three cities where hand grenade crimes became more commonplace and it was also the place for the establishment of Sweden’s first biker-gangs. We don’t know whether this is to do with its proximity to the European continent or not, but it could explain why the trends seem to start there.”
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http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6770170

New research says Sweden sees more deadly shootings per capita than its closest European neighbors, and the low number of gun crimes solved by police here may be part of the reason why.
Sweden experiences four to five times more fatal shootings per capita than Norway and Germany, according to the ongoing research from Malmö University, Karolinska Hospital and Stockholm University.
The areas with the most shootings are Sweden's major cities: Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. The victims as well as the perpetrators also tend to be younger than those in other the countries.

 

[Blues Man]

Hey, 2aguy started trolling the Europe forum with his "gun control doesn't work" agenda. Don't blame me if one or more of us merely return the favour. Oh, you do know that 66% of Americans are in favour of stricter gun control, must keep you awake at nights....

They can be in favor of anything they want but without repealing the second amendment they aren't going to get very far.

and I'll repeat

Americans know that it isn't the vast majority of law abiding gun owners that are committing crimes and unlike you people Americans don't believe in taking rights away from a person who hasn't actually committed any crimes.

But I think that is something you will never understand.

 

[2aguy]

You are projecting again, but that's not surprising, I bet you voted for Trump.

Well according to Travel Safe abroad.com, it appears the USA barely makes it into the safe country category, on a par with Cambodia and Equatorial Guinea with a score of 68, while the UK scores 77, while Japan, Spain and Sweden score 83. More evidence that a well regulated control of firearms makes for a safer country.

Well regulated control of firearms....didn't save the 15 million people you guys murdered from 1939-1945............I guess that since the governments did that, you don't mind it as much, it is just when private criminals do the killing that you have a problem......

 

[2aguy]

They can be in favor of anything they want but without repealing the second amendment they aren't going to get very far.

and I'll repeat

Americans know that it isn't the vast majority of law abiding gun owners that are committing crimes and unlike you people Americans don't believe in taking rights away from a person who hasn't actually committed any crimes.

But I think that is something you will never understand.

Oh, they will.........the criminal gangs in Europe are becoming more and more violent...they don't care about Western culture, Western laws, and they do not fear European police......each year they become more and more violent, as the European social welfare states create more and more fatherless children, and their foreign immigrants become more and more violent as they fight for control over the drug trade in these countries....

 

[2aguy]

I have backed it up to my satisfaction with post #53. My point is further reinforced because 2aguy launched a torrent of cherry picked cut and paste posts to try and deflect and obfuscate, like he normally does when his "argument" (and I use the term loosely, is destroyed.

Still if you look at countries with strict gun controls, their gun death figures are dramatically lower, even allowing for differences in population to those of the USA.

Case in point, and I only show this as an example because I live there 5-6 months of the year; Spain.

Spain has some of the most draconian gun restrictions in Europe,

"How can I buy or sell a weapon?
Once the license is obtained, a weapon can be purchased in an armoury, nevertheless the purchaser cannot walk away with the new weapon. The armoury will have to send it to the new owner address using a specialized transport company.

Weapons can be sold to another person with a legitimate licence. The sale will have to be authorised and supervised by the Guardia Civil. After filling the forms and receiving the authorisations the seller will surrender the arm to the Guardia Civil. The buyer will then fetch collect it on the Guardia Civil premises.

Weapons can be lent to another person for a maximum time of 15 days provided that a form is filed at the Guardia Civil and the other person has the necessary licenses.

Can I use a firearm for self-defence?​

Security professionals during their servicewhile working are allowed to use their calibre 38 handguns within a specific mission (they are not allowed to use any other weapon) and only for self-defence.

A private person can use a firearm only for hunting or for sport shooting. In very specific cases (people under threat or security officials) the government can authorise the use of a handgun for self-defence.

There are many cases of people with a license for sport or hunting, that after have used their weapon in a case of self-defence and then were sentenced for illegal use of firearms.

Ownership of Firearms in Spain | Velasco Lawyers

The Legislation on the use and ownership of firearms in Spain is probably one of the most restrictive in Europe. This is included in the Spanish constitution under article 149.26 where it is said that the Spanish government has exclusive competence control over production, sale, possession and...

www.velascolawyers.com

According to the latest comparable figures for 2022 that I've found, and I'll generously remove gun suicides as you people seem obsessed with not counting them,

Gun deaths (non suicide) in USA 12,478

Gun deaths (non suicide) Spain 37
Gun deaths (non suicide)in UK 162
Gun deaths (non suicide)in Sweden 157
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Australia 34
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Norway 2

I could go on and on, but I'm sure you can recognise a pattern here, the more access to firearms is "well regulated" (see what I did there?) the less people are killed by irresponsible, crazy, or criminal gun owners.

Even Finland is experiencing more violent crime....

The number of manslaughters, murders and killings recorded by the police in Finland fluctuated from 1950 to 2020. In 2020, 86 manslaughters, murders and killings were reported. That year, the number of attempted manslaughters, murders and killings amounted to 383.

Finland: development of violent crimes 2022 | Statista

The number of manslaughters, murders and killings recorded by the police in Finland fluctuated from 1950 to 2022.

www.statista.com

Reported incidents of violent crime increased in Finland during the spring, according to official statistics collected by the National Police Board of Finland.

More premeditated homicides and attempted homicides were committed during the first five months of 2020 than in any comparable period over the last ten years.

The police board’s statistics found that a total of 201 murders, homicides or attempted homicides were made during the January-to-May period this year. The previous highest figure for the period of the last 10 years was 2012, when 179 such crimes were brought to the attention of police.

Violent crime spike in Finland during corona spring

Police believe the exceptional circumstances brought about by the pandemic have led to a "crime wave".

yle.fi

New data has revealed a considerable rise in reports of severe crimes such as manslaughter, homicide and murder attempts in 2020 compared to previous years.

Data from Statistics Finland indicates that there were 91 incidences of homicide last year—19 more than 2019. Additionally, police reported a total of 398 homicide attempts, which is 69 more cases than the previous year.
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Incidences of violent crime were particularly high in the first half of 2020, when the government declared a state of emergency to contain the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

The rise in crime can be largely attributed to the growing unemployment, increasing instances of drug abuse and general decline in mental health caused by the pandemic.

Finland saw sharp increase in homicide cases last year

New data has revealed a considerable rise in reports of severe crimes such as manslaughter, homicide and murder attempts in 2020 compared to previous years. Data from Statistics Finland indicates that there were 91 incidences of homicide last year—19 more than 2019. Additionally, police reported...

www.helsinkitimes.fi

The funny thing is? Europe is also suffering from violent crime because of the American democrat party.....hilary clinton decided that to get some foreign policy cred for her run for President, to order the destruction of the government of Libya....a country that hadn't been bothering anyone for decades.........

And that act created the largest refugee crisis since World War 2.....and sent millions of 3rd world males to flood Europe......and now those males and their children are running the drug gangs across the continent.....and they are the ones shooting at each other, and creating the chaos in European cities....

 

[2aguy]

I have backed it up to my satisfaction with post #53. My point is further reinforced because 2aguy launched a torrent of cherry picked cut and paste posts to try and deflect and obfuscate, like he normally does when his "argument" (and I use the term loosely, is destroyed.

Still if you look at countries with strict gun controls, their gun death figures are dramatically lower, even allowing for differences in population to those of the USA.

Case in point, and I only show this as an example because I live there 5-6 months of the year; Spain.

Spain has some of the most draconian gun restrictions in Europe,

"How can I buy or sell a weapon?
Once the license is obtained, a weapon can be purchased in an armoury, nevertheless the purchaser cannot walk away with the new weapon. The armoury will have to send it to the new owner address using a specialized transport company.

Weapons can be sold to another person with a legitimate licence. The sale will have to be authorised and supervised by the Guardia Civil. After filling the forms and receiving the authorisations the seller will surrender the arm to the Guardia Civil. The buyer will then fetch collect it on the Guardia Civil premises.

Weapons can be lent to another person for a maximum time of 15 days provided that a form is filed at the Guardia Civil and the other person has the necessary licenses.

Can I use a firearm for self-defence?​

Security professionals during their servicewhile working are allowed to use their calibre 38 handguns within a specific mission (they are not allowed to use any other weapon) and only for self-defence.

A private person can use a firearm only for hunting or for sport shooting. In very specific cases (people under threat or security officials) the government can authorise the use of a handgun for self-defence.

There are many cases of people with a license for sport or hunting, that after have used their weapon in a case of self-defence and then were sentenced for illegal use of firearms.

Ownership of Firearms in Spain | Velasco Lawyers

The Legislation on the use and ownership of firearms in Spain is probably one of the most restrictive in Europe. This is included in the Spanish constitution under article 149.26 where it is said that the Spanish government has exclusive competence control over production, sale, possession and...

www.velascolawyers.com

According to the latest comparable figures for 2022 that I've found, and I'll generously remove gun suicides as you people seem obsessed with not counting them,

Gun deaths (non suicide) in USA 12,478

Gun deaths (non suicide) Spain 37
Gun deaths (non suicide)in UK 162
Gun deaths (non suicide)in Sweden 157
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Australia 34
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Norway 2

I could go on and on, but I'm sure you can recognise a pattern here, the more access to firearms is "well regulated" (see what I did there?) the less people are killed by irresponsible, crazy, or criminal gun owners.

Yes...keep trying to tell us that criminals in Britain aren't becoming more and more violent...and more prone to shoot at each other, not matter what silly gun laws you have......

Shots were fired on a Merseyside street for the first time since the death of Olivia Pratt-Korbel and only hours after she was laid to rest.

Gun fired just hours after Olivia Pratt Korbel laid to rest

Bullets smashed through a window in the first shooting on Merseyside since the schoolgirl was murdered on August 22

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[M14 Shooter]

I have backed it up to my satisfaction with post #53.

Sadly for you, this will not convince those with more discerning minds.

Still if you look at countries with strict gun controls, their gun death figures are dramatically lower, even allowing for differences in population to those of the USA.

Why are you still trying to pass off this post hoc fallacy as proof of something?
This is where I ask you to demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those countries and their lower rates of gun violence.
You will, as you always do, run away from the challenge.
Ready? Go!

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are projecting again, but that's not surprising, I bet you voted for Trump.

Well according to Travel Safe abroad.com, it appears the USA barely makes it into the safe country category, on a par with Cambodia and Equatorial Guinea with a score of 68, while the UK scores 77, while Japan, Spain and Sweden score 83. More evidence that a well regulated control of firearms makes for a safer country.

Well, according to Suck My Dick.com, England is a Muslim terrorist state.

 

[2aguy]

Well, according to Suck My Dick.com, England is a Muslim terrorist state.

Well....the muslim mayor of London did say that the city is not safe for women or girls....

Rape, beatings, robberies.......just send those poor women to the NHS and get them patched up.....no need to stop the rapes, robberies or murders....

London streets not safe for women or girls, admits Sadiq Khan

‘It’s really important people like me in positions of power and influence take steps to address that’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hey, 2aguy started trolling the Europe forum with his "gun control doesn't work" agenda. Don't blame me if one or more of us merely return the favour. Oh, you do know that 66% of Americans are in favour of stricter gun control, must keep you awake at nights....

You're a fucking clown.

You post irrelevant and unheard of web sites that try and claim that the USA, because we allow the peasants to be armed, isn't safe - despite the fact that actual assaults, murders, rapes, or other crimes against tourists are a FRACTION per capita of what they are in the UK.

"Oy mate, the USA isn't safe"

"Wy naught?"

"wall, bacuz people haz guns"

"But what are the chances of being a crime victim?"

"a fuck lot lower than here in London, that fer sher"

"but they haz guns, so it ain't safe."

 

[Uncensored2008]

Well....the muslim mayor of London did say that the city is not safe for women or girls....

Rape, beatings, robberies.......just send those poor women to the NHS and get them patched up.....no need to stop the rapes, robberies or murders....

London streets not safe for women or girls, admits Sadiq Khan

‘It’s really important people like me in positions of power and influence take steps to address that’

www.independent.co.uk

His pissant web site, that NO ONE has ever heard of, claims the USA isn't safe purely because people are allowed to own guns. It didn't bother with things like, you know, actual crime statistics.

Another bullshit trash site pulled out by a Eurotrash clown.

 

[Leo123]

When I said "we" I meant the UK, but obviously that went over your head.
Oh dear, I stopped reading after research by John Lott was mentioned, another exercise in statistical gymnastics, next?

Yeah, you wouldn’t want to read anything that disagrees with your fantasy story.

 

[2aguy]

When I said "we" I meant the UK, but obviously that went over your head.
Oh dear, I stopped reading after research by John Lott was mentioned, another exercise in statistical gymnastics, next?

Lott.....probably the foremost expert on guns used in self defense in the United States........which is why you don't want to think about him....

 

[Vagabond63]

Sadly for you, this will not convince those with more discerning minds.

Why are you still trying to pass off this post hoc fallacy as proof of something?
This is where I ask you to demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in those countries and their lower rates of gun violence.
You will, as you always do, run away from the challenge.
Ready? Go!

Well, "discerning" is one word to describe a mind, so is "closed", "biased", "bigoted", "credulous", "rigid", "pig headed", "persuadable", etc etc.

All I have done is presented evidence that well regulated firearms laws in a country result in less gun violence in that that country. Nothing at all to do with any Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. I believe I have demonstrated the "necessary relationship" (whatever that means) by presenting sufficient examples where this is the case. Go as far out as Mongolia and the pattern holds true (30 gun deaths), or even a Right wing semi-dictatorship like Hungary (56 gun deaths). The result is consistent. The tighter the gun control, the less risk of being shot and/or killed by firearm. QED

 

[Vagabond63]

Oh, since the expected torrent of trash followed my post #104, I'll repeat it here.

I have backed it up to my satisfaction with post #53. My point is further reinforced because 2aguy launched a torrent of cherry picked cut and paste posts to try and deflect and obfuscate, like he normally does when his "argument" (and I use the term loosely, is destroyed.

Still if you look at countries with strict gun controls, their gun death figures are dramatically lower, even allowing for differences in population to those of the USA.

Case in point, and I only show this as an example because I live there 5-6 months of the year; Spain.

Spain has some of the most draconian gun restrictions in Europe,

"How can I buy or sell a weapon?

Once the license is obtained, a weapon can be purchased in an armoury, nevertheless the purchaser cannot walk away with the new weapon. The armoury will have to send it to the new owner address using a specialized transport company.

Weapons can be sold to another person with a legitimate licence. The sale will have to be authorised and supervised by the Guardia Civil. After filling the forms and receiving the authorisations the seller will surrender the arm to the Guardia Civil. The buyer will then fetch collect it on the Guardia Civil premises.

Weapons can be lent to another person for a maximum time of 15 days provided that a form is filed at the Guardia Civil and the other person has the necessary licenses.

Can I use a firearm for self-defence?​

Security professionals during their service while working are allowed to use their calibre 38 handguns within a specific mission (they are not allowed to use any other weapon) and only for self-defence.

A private person can use a firearm only for hunting or for sport shooting. In very specific cases (people under threat or security officials) the government can authorise the use of a handgun for self-defence.

There are many cases of people with a license for sport or hunting, that after have used their weapon in a case of self-defence and then were sentenced for illegal use of firearms.

Ownership of Firearms in Spain | Velasco Lawyers​

The Legislation on the use and ownership of firearms in Spain is probably one of the most restrictive in Europe. This is included in the Spanish constitution under article 149.26 where it is said that the Spanish government has exclusive competence control over production, sale, possession and...
www.velascolawyers.com
According to the latest comparable figures for 2022 that I've found, and I'll generously remove gun suicides as you people seem obsessed with not counting them,

Gun deaths (non suicide) in USA 12,478
Gun deaths (non suicide) Spain 37
Gun deaths (non suicide)in UK 162
Gun deaths (non suicide)in Sweden 157
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Australia 34
Gun deaths (non suicide) in Norway 2

I could go on and on, but I'm sure you can recognise a pattern here, the more access to firearms is "well regulated" (see what I did there?) the less people are killed by irresponsible, crazy, or criminal gun owners.