A Most Excellent Take-Down Of The Right

[PoliticalChic]

A how-to for all of the Dems who wish to up their game.



1.I have yearned for a well-versed, well-read Liberal/Democrat to post a well thought-out, documented, supplemented, attack from their perspective. It would make this site so much more interesting. Sadly, I have yet to find that in these precincts.

So, when Lili Anolik wrote her essay for Vanity Fair….well, credit where credit is due. A great essay, one which all Leftists/Liberals/Democrats should love.....and see as their model.

Of course I can defeat all of it…..but that’s beside the point today.

2. “Fight Club and the 21st Century​

How Brad Pitt, Edward Norton, and David Fincher foretold 9/11 and Trump.​

Let’s break all the rules, or at least rules one and two. Let’s talk about Fight Club. The movie…. stars Brad Pitt and Edward Norton playing, respectively, the id, named Tyler Durden, and the superego, named Jack …a man in the midst of an identity crisis…



3. Fight Club is a masterpiece, but a repellent one— Its politics are reactionary; its attitudes toward women crude, Neanderthal even….The usually mild-mannered Roger Ebert declared it “macho porn.” Ebert’s right: It is. Though he’s wrong to see that as a flaw. No, the movie’s explicit misogyny is a source of its unsettling and unsavory greatness. Fight Club is something more than great too. It’s prophetic. To watch it in 2021 is to realize that you were gazing into a crystal ball when you saw it in 1999. The crystal ball checklist: 9/11
Fight Club ends where it begins: with the destruction of those monuments to late-stage American capitalism, i.e., skyscrapers, by a group of terrorists. Two years, almost to the day, after its premiere at the Venice Film Festival on September 10, 1999, the Twin Towers would be reduced to piles of smoldering rubble by a group of terrorists.

4. THE ALT-RIGHT​

Like most movements, the alt-right attracts its followers by overtly appealing to their self-righteousness, covertly appealing to their self-pity. The alt-right talks tough, comes on with a swagger and a sneer. Really, though, it’s a cult of victimhood, one big boo-hoo number about how hard it is to be white and male. Says Tyler to his followers: “I see…the strongest and smartest men who’ve ever lived. I see all this potential and I see squandering….an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables, slaves with white collars.… We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be movie gods and rock stars, but we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact, and we’re very, very pissed off.” And what are the Space Monkeys, Tyler’s band of proto-fascist foot soldiers, but the original Proud Boys?” Fight Club and the 21st Century


5. That may be my favorite part: insightful, pointed, and linked to an example all of us have seen.

This is the sort of literate attack that would make the message board a pleasure. Not just a time-filler….a thinking person’s debate forum, requiring more than “is not, isssssss noooooootttttt!!!”

 

[kyzr]

An opinion piece with no proof of anything she says.
How many white guys does she know personally? I bet zero.

 

[KissMy]

Missouri’s Republican secretary of state on Thursday said an investigation by his office found two people voted at least twice during the 2020 general election.

The multi-voters are Right Wing Republicans!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

An opinion piece with no proof of anything she says.
How many white guys does she know personally? I bet zero.

I believe you missed this line in the OP:

"Of course I can defeat all of it…..but that’s beside the point today."


The point is style, a well constructed attack from the Left.....something in short supply on the board.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Missouri’s Republican secretary of state on Thursday said an investigation by his office found two people voted at least twice during the 2020 general election.

The multi-voters are Right Wing Republicans!!!

Here's a perfect example of the sort of mindless post from the Left....having nothing to do with the OP.

Boring.

 

[initforme]

It's beyond time for a strong 3rd party. Time to put the lesser two on notice.

 

[22lcidw]

It's beyond time for a strong 3rd party. Time to put the lesser two on notice.

That will be stamped out by the power elite. To many people are stuck on two parties. However, there can be hard liners running, perhaps in more local elections first. Where the elites and the local power families may not be able to determine if word of mouth gets around.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. Lili’s on a roll!!​

We on the Right know that the Left hates men, particularly white, straight, Christian men.....not too keen on Jews, either.

But here is her paean about men.

“MEN’S RIGHTS GROUPS​

As Tyler sees it, society has it in for men. It’s the old schoolyard taunt, “Girls rule, boys drool,” except the whole country is the schoolyard. In his view, there’s no such thing as toxic masculinity; or, rather, masculinity is only toxic when it’s bottled up, allowed no release, which is why he started Fight Club. He believes that, for men, spiritual salvation is achieved through physical violence. And though not homosexual, au contraire—Tyler’s a stud muffin supreme—he is homosocial. Women aren’t to be trusted. Men are better off sticking with their own kind. (The sole maternal presence in Fight Club is Bob, identified by his “bitch tits,” a former bodybuilder whose overuse of steroids has resulted in testicular cancer and in whose bosomy embrace Jack occasionally seeks solace.)

Men’s rights groups, many of which have adopted Fight Club as their bible—“Tyler Durden lives!” is a frequent post on their message boards—think Tyler’s on the money.” Fight Club and the 21st Century



Now….be honest, Dems (if it doesn’t cost you your Liberal credentials) ….don’t you wish you could author an attack like this!!!!

 

[kyzr]

I believe you missed this line in the OP:

"Of course I can defeat all of it…..but that’s beside the point today."


The point is style, a well constructed attack from the Left.....something in short supply on the board.

I call bullshit on her claim. How can she defeat anything with nothing? She makes no points today.

 

[IM2]

This thread and the OP validate this comment.

“The foundational knowledge of the average American is now so low that it has crashed through the floor of “uninformed,” passed “misinformed” on the way down, and is now plummeting to “aggressively wrong.” People don’t just believe dumb things; they actively resist further learning rather than let go of those beliefs. I was not alive in the Middle Ages, so I cannot say it is unprecedented, but within my living memory I’ve never seen anything like it.”
― Thomas M. Nichols, The Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why it Matters

 

[Oddball]

A how-to for all of the Dems who wish to up their game.



1.I have yearned for a well-versed, well-read Liberal/Democrat to post a well thought-out, documented, supplemented, attack from their perspective. It would make this site so much more interesting. Sadly, I have yet to find that in these precincts.

So, when Lili Anolik wrote her essay for Vanity Fair….well, credit where credit is due. A great essay, one which all Leftists/Liberals/Democrats should love.....and see as their model.

Of course I can defeat all of it…..but that’s beside the point today.

2. “Fight Club and the 21st Century​

How Brad Pitt, Edward Norton, and David Fincher foretold 9/11 and Trump.​

Let’s break all the rules, or at least rules one and two. Let’s talk about Fight Club. The movie…. stars Brad Pitt and Edward Norton playing, respectively, the id, named Tyler Durden, and the superego, named Jack …a man in the midst of an identity crisis…



3. Fight Club is a masterpiece, but a repellent one— Its politics are reactionary; its attitudes toward women crude, Neanderthal even….The usually mild-mannered Roger Ebert declared it “macho porn.” Ebert’s right: It is. Though he’s wrong to see that as a flaw. No, the movie’s explicit misogyny is a source of its unsettling and unsavory greatness. Fight Club is something more than great too. It’s prophetic. To watch it in 2021 is to realize that you were gazing into a crystal ball when you saw it in 1999. The crystal ball checklist: 9/11
Fight Club ends where it begins: with the destruction of those monuments to late-stage American capitalism, i.e., skyscrapers, by a group of terrorists. Two years, almost to the day, after its premiere at the Venice Film Festival on September 10, 1999, the Twin Towers would be reduced to piles of smoldering rubble by a group of terrorists.

4. THE ALT-RIGHT​

Like most movements, the alt-right attracts its followers by overtly appealing to their self-righteousness, covertly appealing to their self-pity. The alt-right talks tough, comes on with a swagger and a sneer. Really, though, it’s a cult of victimhood, one big boo-hoo number about how hard it is to be white and male. Says Tyler to his followers: “I see…the strongest and smartest men who’ve ever lived. I see all this potential and I see squandering….an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables, slaves with white collars.… We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be movie gods and rock stars, but we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact, and we’re very, very pissed off.” And what are the Space Monkeys, Tyler’s band of proto-fascist foot soldiers, but the original Proud Boys?” Fight Club and the 21st Century


5. That may be my favorite part: insightful, pointed, and linked to an example all of us have seen.

This is the sort of literate attack that would make the message board a pleasure. Not just a time-filler….a thinking person’s debate forum, requiring more than “is not, isssssss noooooootttttt!!!”

Lowered my standards and read the whole piece.....So filled with strawman arguments, mischaracterizations, broad brushes, stereotypes, and straight-up leftist snobbery, that I'll just continue to scoff at any link to Vanity Fair as the default.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to take a shower.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. And Lili’s, not shy, touches on that third rale, abortion, and marriage and family.



“THE BREAKUP OF BRAD PITT AND JENNIFER ANISTON

Pitt and Aniston weren’t married, never mind divorced, in 1999. Fight Club, though, already knew the couple was doomed. “I want to have your abortion,” a lovestruck—or possibly cockstruck—Marla says to Tyler, this very nasty movie’s idea of a sweet nothing. Actually the line, which appears in Palahniuk’s book and Jim Uhls’s screenplay, was cut at the insistence of a horrified Laura Ziskind, one of Fight Club’s producers, who agreed to accept whatever Fincher came up with as an alternative. (The alternative, “I haven’t been f**ked like that since grade school,” horrified her even more but she’d given her word.)

When it was announced in the press that Pitt and Aniston were separating, actor Eva Longoria was photographed in a T-shirt that said, “I’ll have your baby, Brad.” It was her response to the rumor—unfounded and unfair, incidentally—that Aniston’s unwillingness to start a family was the reason for the split. It’s also a riff, even if unknowing, on Palahniuk’s original dialogue.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/08/fight-club-and-the-21st-century.

Just imagine how many thread this alone would cause!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. You know how we on the Right love to call your sort ‘pajama boys,’ and that you are cowards living in your folk’s basement. Lili goes for it: She attacks Tyler Durden because he is the very opposite, and he calls out the ne'er do well millenials.



“MILLENNIALS

Tyler is very specifically targeting members of Generation X when he gives what is perhaps his most famous speech: “We’re the middle children of history.… We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War is a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives.”

In 1999, we X’ers (I’m one too, born in 1978) were already getting crushed by the boomers, the largest generational group the U.S. ever produced, boring us to tears with their self-important hippie sh*t, their endless blather about how epic the ’60s were, man.

That X’ers would get crushed from the other side by millennials, an even larger generational group, and a sorrier collection of spoiled-rotten crybabies you’ve never seen in your life, It’s not fair, their anthem and cri de coeur, is something nobody could’ve anticipated back then—except somehow Tyler did.”
Fight Club and the 21st Century

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. Let me borrow from Edmond Rostand for Lili: “And now, as I end my refrain……thrust home!!!”

And guess who she is thrusting that verbal sword at.




“DONALD TRUMP

Donald Trump is Tyler Durden, minus, obviously, the face, the bod, the hair, the style. (By the way, “Donald Trump” isn’t quite an anagram of “Tyler Durden,” but it’s close.) Like Tyler, Trump uses snowflake as a put-down. In fact, Trump possibly boosted it from Tyler. Or so says Chuck Palahniuk. “You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake” is a line Tyler lays on the Space Monkeys.


Like Tyler, Trump is maniac and messiah, the self-help guru of our age—a self-destruct guru. But what he is above all else is a salesman, even when what he’s selling is not buying the other guy’s product (“fake news”; “no collusion”). He speaks in slogans (“Drain the swamp”) and never isn’t pitching (“Build the wall”; “Lock her up”).


Like Tyler, Trump is possessed of a power that is, by its very nature, annihilative. Tyler wants to eradicate credit card companies. Trump wants to eradicate the last 70 or so years. Both preach self-liberation while demanding absolute fealty. Both rule through ruin. (MAGA is just another name for Project Mayhem, Tyler’s plan to wipe out modern civilization.)


Like Tyler, Trump is a demon we cannot seem to exorcise. Jack, at the end of Fight Club, kills Tyler by shooting himself in the head. Biden, last November, defeated Trump in the most contentious and drawn-out presidential election in U.S. history. And yet Trump feels no more gone than Tyler does.” Fight Club and the 21st Century




OK, Ok.....it's wrong. It isn't a fair analysis.....but, heck, it is a well-done assassination attempt.

It is soooo much better than the drooling, vulgarity-laced posts about Trump that our less able Democrats offer daily.
It was fun to read, and worthy of a well-constructed rebuttal.





But wait!!!

There’s more!!!

One more post in this thread coming up......

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. Our Left-wing heroine zeroes in on Trump, your real target, Dems!

And far better than any of you ever do!



“Oh, and if Trump turns out to be—as Tyler turned out to be—the physical manifestation of some pencil-neck, paper-pushing sad sack’s psychotic breakdown, doesn’t he finally and at long last make sense?

Tyler’s main job is manufacturing soap out of rich women’s blubber. (He raids liposuction clinics at night.) His side job, though, is movie theater projectionist. And sometimes, while in the booth, he takes a frame from a porno movie and inserts it into a family movie. He is thus an obvious subversive—blowing up buildings, etc.—but also a subtle one, slipping his radical and alienated thoughts into the minds of audience members, into our minds, so susceptible in the dark, so easy to dominate.

Is that what’s being done to us with Fight Club? Did Tyler vacate Jack’s mind only to take over Fincher’s so that he could then infiltrate ours? Is that why this movie more than predicted our future, shaped our future?

Tyler Durden lives! In Fincher. In all of us.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/08/fight-club-and-the-21st-centuryNow….that’s writing!




I hope you learned a better way to prepare your barbs.
Oh….and I bet you learned some new words, too.