A question to the left, please explain this to me:

[thereisnospoon]

I see a lot broken marriages over Obama care. Because this is going to get in a lot of fights how do you afford it? When they never had health insurance before.

They :

Paid the rent

Paid the power bill

Paid the car insurance

Ect....ect... ....

And now Obama thinks they have a extra $50 to $400 bucks a month to pay? This is a joke right?

They :

Paid the rent

Paid the power bill

Paid the car insurance

Ect....ect... ....

And
WE:

pay their medical bills...

The Cost Shift from the Uninsured
American Family Health Care Premiums Cost $1,100 More Because Our System Doesn’t Provide Continuous Coverage for All

That's an opinion piece. Does not apply.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You guys complain about low wages, yet you think those same people have an extra $50~$300 bucks a month to pay for Obama care? If they didn't have health insurance before?
That don't make no sense to me... please explain where are they going to get the money from?

YOur mistake is in thinking that ACA or Obama is remotely leftest.

You'll have to ask loyal Democrats.

Spin. Nice try. It's a loser.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I am still curious where does Obama think where these folks going to get the money from?

They won't answer.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You guys complain about low wages, yet you think those same people have an extra $50~$300 bucks a month to pay for Obama care? If they didn't have health insurance before?
That don't make no sense to me... please explain where are they going to get the money from?

Your question exhibits your ignorance of the provisions of the Act, or is solely partisan and asked in bad faith.

Educate yourself as to the actual provisions of the Act, there are abundant resources online, focusing on the topics of expanded Medicaid and insurance subsidies.

Answer the question. From where does the money come?

Thank you. I want to know like you where does the money come from? And they don't get it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The poor who couldn't afford health insurance will receive Medicaid or a subsidy. Question answered, can we move on.

no....Because in order for the subsidies to be funded, Obamacare requires full participation. Especially from younger healthy people who will pay into the system via premiums but will require little care throughout a given year.
Remember, government has no money. The revenue to operate Obamacare has to come from premiums, taxes and reductions in reimbursements to medical professionals.
There is not enough now to cover the shortfall.

 

[Desperado]

I see a lot broken marriages over Obama care. Because this is going to get in a lot of fights how do you afford it?

In addition to the fact the there is a marriage penalty with Obamacare when it comes to the credits.

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[NYcarbineer]

Exactly!
That is the whole point.
Countries that have less regulations (Government Control) are doing very well.
Free Markets and Capitalism works. Government Controlled regulations stifle business growth.

In a free market, those who can afford to pay the market price can have the product or service. Those who can't go without.

Is that how you want healthcare to work?

Free markets have free clinics.

Really? Where? Where in the world does an economy exist where the government provides no medical assistance to the poor,

but free clinics manage to accommodate all the healthcare needs of those poor people?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Key word in Obabblecare is "subsidies". Key phrase in Obabblecare is "free medical check ups". Key strategy, in Obabbleworld is "redistribution of money" ...to buy votes and influence policies.

As opposed to building 2 400 billion dollar jet fighter systems, one of which were scrapped.

Bailing out the whole 1% when their scheme to fleece the middle class crashed the financial markets.

Subsidizing multiple wars to get the folks in the middle east to acknowledge that the oil under their sand belongs to Private US Corporations.

Funneling tax payer money to private corporations for no other reason then to fill the coffers of the one percent.

Yeah..and I never hear you folks even grouse about any of that.

That was one helluva pile of lib talking points.
What is it now? In oyur view the primary function of government is to provide medical insurance for the population and eschew all other constitutional requirements?

 

[Zoom-boing]

You guys complain about low wages, yet you think those same people have an extra $50~$300 bucks a month to pay for Obama care? If they didn't have health insurance before?
That don't make no sense to me... please explain where are they going to get the money from?

Your question exhibits your ignorance of the provisions of the Act, or is solely partisan and asked in bad faith.

Educate yourself as to the actual provisions of the Act, there are abundant resources online, focusing on the topics of expanded Medicaid and insurance subsidies.

Where does that money come from? Where does the government get the money to have 400% above the poverty line receive subsidies?

Tick, tock.

 

[thereisnospoon]

What costs more, paying someone's entire medical bill or paying for their insurance that will pay their medical bill?

Paying the bills is cheaper. MUCH cheaper.
Most public and many private hospitals have accounts for what are known as "Charity Accounts"....Here in NC, hospitals are required to treat indigent and under insured patients using funds from charity care accounts.
It is better to treat the occasional visit than fund health insurance premiums for those who may never or seldom require care.
Plus, poorer people are more expensive to insure because their risk is higher. Poor people tend to be less healthy due to poor diet habits, abuse of tobacco and alcohol. They live in less cleanly environments which is also a choice. Side note, to be poor does not translate to 'dirty'..
In my 30 years of customer service work I have seen poorer people's homes that are clean enough to eat off the floor. Then there are those who are poor and just lazy slobs.
This all ties into the equation.
I would mush rather subsidize the occasional hospital visit than fund a permanent outflow of money to pay for insurance premiums.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I am still curious where does Obama think where these folks going to get the money from?

They won't answer.

I read the other day that Obama said now folks don't have to choose between putting food on the table and a doctor. And I am thinking to my self are you serious dude ? If they have to take out of there budget $50 to $400 a month for health insurance....

I am kind of sure those kids would be eating food from the dollar store.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The poor who couldn't afford health insurance will receive Medicaid or a subsidy. Question answered, can we move on.

You don't even understand this do you?

You asked a question. I answered it. What am I not understanding? If you were expecting a different answer then you should ask a different question.

You chose to craft your answer based on your viewpoint.
Your view presupposes that the money will come from 'government'.
That's false. The money will be extracted from the producers. That's US!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Exactly!
That is the whole point.
Countries that have less regulations (Government Control) are doing very well.
Free Markets and Capitalism works. Government Controlled regulations stifle business growth.

And what countries are those?

New Zealand
Singapore
Hong Kong
All have the most Free Markets.

lol, New Zealand does not have a free market in healthcare:

District Health Boards (DHBs) in New Zealand are organisations established by the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000, responsible for ensuring the provision of health and disability services to populations within a defined geographical area. They have existed since 1 January 2001 when the Act came into force.[1] There are 20 DHBs (15 in the North Island and 5 in the South Island). From their creation until 1 May 2010, there were 21 DHBs. At that date, Otago DHB and Southland DHB amalgamated their boards to form the new Southern DHB.[2] DHBs receive public funding from the Ministry of Health on behalf of the Crown, based on a formula which takes into account the total number, age, socioeconomic status and ethnic mix of their population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_Health_Boards_(New_Zealand)

 

[thereisnospoon]

You guys complain about low wages, yet you think those same people have an extra $50~$300 bucks a month to pay for Obama care? If they didn't have health insurance before?
That don't make no sense to me... please explain where are they going to get the money from?

Who on minimum wage is going to have to pay $300/month for health insurance under Obamacare?

SO you agree to keep these people from having to pay anything, the min wage should stay where it is?

 

[peach174]

And what countries are those?

New Zealand
Singapore
Hong Kong
All have the most Free Markets.

And New Zealand and Singapore have universal health care paid through taxation. Don't forget to mention that with your brilliant post.
(snicker)

No they don't.
New Zealand has a mixture of public and private as well as Singapore
Health care in New Zealand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singapore
Healthcare in Singapore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singapore's system uses a combination of compulsory savings from payroll deductions to provide subsidies within a nationalized health insurance plan known as Medisave. Within Medisave, each citizen accumulates funds that are individually tracked, and such funds can be pooled within and across an entire extended family. The vast majority of Singapore citizens have substantial savings in this scheme. One of three levels of subsidy is chosen by the patient at the time of the healthcare episode.

A key principle of Singapore's national health scheme is that no medical service is provided free of charge, regardless of the level of subsidy, even within the public healthcare system. This mechanism is intended to reduce the overutilisation of healthcare services, a phenomenon often seen in fully subsidised universal health insurance systems

How about that - something fairly similar that the Republicans introduced.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I am still curious where does Obama think where these folks going to get the money from?

They won't answer.

I read the other day that Obama said now folks don't have to choose between putting food on the table and a doctor. And I am thinking to my self are you serious dude ? If they have to take out of there budget $50 to $400 a month for health insurance....

I am kind of sure those kids would be eating food from the dollar store.

Show us who on minimum wage is going to pay $400/month for healthcare.

 

[NYcarbineer]

New Zealand
Singapore
Hong Kong
All have the most Free Markets.

And New Zealand and Singapore have universal health care paid through taxation. Don't forget to mention that with your brilliant post.
(snicker)

No they don't.
New Zealand has a mixture of public and private as well as Singapore
Health care in New Zealand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singapore
Healthcare in Singapore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singapore's system uses a combination of compulsory savings from payroll deductions to provide subsidies within a nationalized health insurance plan known as Medisave. Within Medisave, each citizen accumulates funds that are individually tracked, and such funds can be pooled within and across an entire extended family. The vast majority of Singapore citizens have substantial savings in this scheme. One of three levels of subsidy is chosen by the patient at the time of the healthcare episode.

A key principle of Singapore's national health scheme is that no medical service is provided free of charge, regardless of the level of subsidy, even within the public healthcare system. This mechanism is intended to reduce the overutilisation of healthcare services, a phenomenon often seen in fully subsidised universal health insurance systems

How about that - something fairly similar that the Republicans introduced.

That is not a free market. That is a highly regulated market.

 

[peach174]

And what countries are those?

New Zealand
Singapore
Hong Kong
All have the most Free Markets.

lol, New Zealand does not have a free market in healthcare:

District Health Boards (DHBs) in New Zealand are organisations established by the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000, responsible for ensuring the provision of health and disability services to populations within a defined geographical area. They have existed since 1 January 2001 when the Act came into force.[1] There are 20 DHBs (15 in the North Island and 5 in the South Island). From their creation until 1 May 2010, there were 21 DHBs. At that date, Otago DHB and Southland DHB amalgamated their boards to form the new Southern DHB.[2] DHBs receive public funding from the Ministry of Health on behalf of the Crown, based on a formula which takes into account the total number, age, socioeconomic status and ethnic mix of their population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_Health_Boards_(New_Zealand)

I never said that New Zealand had a free market healthcare. They have a combination of Free Market and Government. It encourages competition between the two systems.
I was talking about their businesses.

 

[NYcarbineer]

New Zealand
Singapore
Hong Kong
All have the most Free Markets.

And New Zealand and Singapore have universal health care paid through taxation. Don't forget to mention that with your brilliant post.
(snicker)

No they don't.
New Zealand has a mixture of public and private as well as Singapore
Health care in New Zealand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singapore
Healthcare in Singapore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singapore's system uses a combination of compulsory savings from payroll deductions to provide subsidies within a nationalized health insurance plan known as Medisave. Within Medisave, each citizen accumulates funds that are individually tracked, and such funds can be pooled within and across an entire extended family. The vast majority of Singapore citizens have substantial savings in this scheme. One of three levels of subsidy is chosen by the patient at the time of the healthcare episode.

A key principle of Singapore's national health scheme is that no medical service is provided free of charge, regardless of the level of subsidy, even within the public healthcare system. This mechanism is intended to reduce the overutilisation of healthcare services, a phenomenon often seen in fully subsidised universal health insurance systems

How about that - something fairly similar that the Republicans introduced.

You should have just posted this sentence:

Singapore has a non-modified universal healthcare system where the government ensures affordability of healthcare within the public health system, largely through a system of compulsory savings, subsidies and price controls.

1. Compulsory savings

2. Subsidies

3. Price controls

...you call that a free market...

...fine, let's adopt the Singaporean model; we already have compulsory savings in effect for Medicare, we already subsidize much care cost;

I guess all we need add are more price controls.

I am truly amazed at how wrong posters can be around here, and more amazingly, how happily they do so.

 

[Bfgrn]

News flash !
The new ACA is not free market.
It's government controlled (aka- by regulations) Health Care.

Socialism is the system that is hostile toward the working poor and middle class.

Okay..which "market" doesn't have government control in this country?

Exactly!
That is the whole point.
Countries that have less regulations (Government Control) are doing very well.
Free Markets and Capitalism works. Government Controlled regulations stifle business growth.

Give us the list of countries with free market health care?