A question to the left, please explain this to me:

[thereisnospoon]

The people who cannot afford health insurance, even with a subsidy, will be the ones who receive Medicaid.

What about the guys in the middle class like me? Who make 50 grand plus a year?
And I would rather enjoy my life and go to strip clubs, daytona beach and hawaii then rather spend $400 bucks a month on Health insurance? For some old person on life support?

Yeah, that's just fucking great...until you wrap your car around a lightpole driving back from the strip club. Then you expect us, the insured, to pay for your irresponsibility.

Imagine that. A liberal making a case for personal responsibility.
Oh the irony.
Hey, sweetie pie, you missed the point of the OP's statement.
He made a point by using an absurdity. And it hit a nerve with you.
Now THAT is fucking great.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yeah, that's just fucking great...until you wrap your car around a lightpole driving back from the strip club. Then you expect us, the insured, to pay for your irresponsibility.

WHAT? I don't drink and drive I am 48 what do you think I am stupid and want a D.U.I? I would come home in a taxi.

Okay, some other asshole t bones you at an intersection. The insured still end up paying for your irresponsibility.

://www.lexisnexis.com/legalnewsroom/insurance/b/applemaninsurance/archive/2012/01/17/medical-payments-coverage-new-appleman-on-insurance-law-library-edition-chapter-64.aspxn
In this link, it is explained why medical payments auto coverage thresholds have been increased.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The only dangerous things I do anymore is at work. And that is covered by work mans comp. Don't climb trees or any of that stuff. I get a deep cut? I stich it up myself with fishing wire and super glue. No big deal.

Do you take a big swig of Mad Dog 2020 before you stitch yourself up? Or do you just bite into a rag and use a big fish hook out of your tackle box to sew yourself up?

Yeah, when I wrap my car around a telephone pole I just open the door, get out and walk home.

You people are real fans of this Obamacare thing, aren't you?

 

[thereisnospoon]

In a free market, those who can afford to pay the market price can have the product or service. Those who can't go without.

Is that how you want healthcare to work?

Free markets have free clinics.

Really? Where? Where in the world does an economy exist where the government provides no medical assistance to the poor,

but free clinics manage to accommodate all the healthcare needs of those poor people?

We have medicare and medicaid

 

[Clementine]

You guys complain about low wages, yet you think those same people have an extra $50~$300 bucks a month to pay for Obama care? If they didn't have health insurance before?
That don't make no sense to me... please explain where are they going to get the money from?

Your question would be good if this was really about healthcare and living wages.

They don't give a damn whether people are insured or not. The law is about a transfer of power and nothing more.

They know that most aren't buying insurance and that means they will pay fines. More $$ for government from even the poorest among us.

Increasing minimum wage will mean less jobs. Again, they don't care about people supporting their families. They care about the destruction of capitalism so they can introduce socialism. To do that, the middle class needs to go and that effort is well underway.

They will also need to attack the bigger companies, so this is just the start of that.

It's all under the guise of doing what is best for all, but it's not. Don't let the libs fool you.

Every single thing that is going on in our country today has been done in many countries in the past. It all ends in disaster, yet here we go again. The dumbing down of America ensured that a large portion of the people are completely unaware of history and, therefore, aren't worried as the same tyrannical methods are being used against us.

 

[thereisnospoon]

They won't answer.

I read the other day that Obama said now folks don't have to choose between putting food on the table and a doctor. And I am thinking to my self are you serious dude ? If they have to take out of there budget $50 to $400 a month for health insurance....

I am kind of sure those kids would be eating food from the dollar store.

Show us who on minimum wage is going to pay $400/month for healthcare.

The OP said UP TO $400 additional per month.
Of course low paid people will be subsidized.
This isn't about them.
This is about the middle class people that have incomes just over the 400% of poverty threshold.
Those people. me included, will see their premiums skyrocket.
But you don't give a shit about THAT.

 

[thereisnospoon]

And New Zealand and Singapore have universal health care paid through taxation. Don't forget to mention that with your brilliant post.
(snicker)

No they don't.
New Zealand has a mixture of public and private as well as Singapore
Health care in New Zealand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singapore
Healthcare in Singapore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singapore's system uses a combination of compulsory savings from payroll deductions to provide subsidies within a nationalized health insurance plan known as Medisave. Within Medisave, each citizen accumulates funds that are individually tracked, and such funds can be pooled within and across an entire extended family. The vast majority of Singapore citizens have substantial savings in this scheme. One of three levels of subsidy is chosen by the patient at the time of the healthcare episode.

A key principle of Singapore's national health scheme is that no medical service is provided free of charge, regardless of the level of subsidy, even within the public healthcare system. This mechanism is intended to reduce the overutilisation of healthcare services, a phenomenon often seen in fully subsidised universal health insurance systems

How about that - something fairly similar that the Republicans introduced.

You should have just posted this sentence:

Singapore has a non-modified universal healthcare system where the government ensures affordability of healthcare within the public health system, largely through a system of compulsory savings, subsidies and price controls.

1. Compulsory savings

2. Subsidies

3. Price controls

...you call that a free market...

...fine, let's adopt the Singaporean model; we already have compulsory savings in effect for Medicare, we already subsidize much care cost;

I guess all we need add are more price controls.

I am truly amazed at how wrong posters can be around here, and more amazingly, how happily they do so.

There are 5.3 million people living in Singapore. There are 60 TIMES more people in the US....Case closed.
But hey....If you want single payer, move to Singapore.
Why you people believe that what works in one nation will automatically and magically work here is a mystery.
You certainly cannot justify this belief. Nor can you explain what would have to be done to make it work.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Okay..which "market" doesn't have government control in this country?

Exactly!
That is the whole point.
Countries that have less regulations (Government Control) are doing very well.
Free Markets and Capitalism works. Government Controlled regulations stifle business growth.

Give us the list of countries with free market health care?

There is a big map someone posted in this thread. Go look at it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Who on minimum wage is going to have to pay $300/month for health insurance under Obamacare?

SO you agree to keep these people from having to pay anything, the min wage should stay where it is?

I support government funded basic healthcare for everyone regardless of their ability to pay.

Only the government funds nothing. The funding comes from additional taxation. And a bunch of politicians in Washington who think they have a blank check.
Unless you or someone else with any knowledge or authority can convince me this Obamacare law is not some open ended perpetually funded with a bottomless pit for a bank account entitlement, it will never be accepted and will not survive a turnover of party in Washington.
The people no longer trust the government. Obamacare and the President himself have caused that. Obama has not told us the truth even now that it is well known we were sold a bill of goods. We got suckered.

 

[Pheonixops]

You guys complain about low wages, yet you think those same people have an extra $50~$300 bucks a month to pay for Obama care? If they didn't have health insurance before?
That don't make no sense to me... please explain where are they going to get the money from?

I'm from the "left", I'm not complaining about low wages. I also don't think that "Obamacare" should be mandatory.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Who on minimum wage is going to have to pay $300/month for health insurance under Obamacare?

SO you agree to keep these people from having to pay anything, the min wage should stay where it is?

The minimum wage should be tied to inflation.

No way....Who's gonna pay?
Again, just answer the question: From where does the money come?

 

[thereisnospoon]

You guys complain about low wages, yet you think those same people have an extra $50~$300 bucks a month to pay for Obama care? If they didn't have health insurance before?
That don't make no sense to me... please explain where are they going to get the money from?

Kind of a stupid question.

Nobody thinks low wage workers have the money to buy healthcare, which is why the ACA helps to subsidize these people or put them into Medicaid, just like Romneycare did in Massachusetts.

Now everyone's got healthcare in Massachusetts and premiums have leveled off and people don't have to pay for direct healthcare expenses for the uninsured because they are all insured.

What the left wants is for ALL of us to NOT have to help Walmart and other mutli-billion dollar corporations to pay their employees. We waste billions of taxpayer dollars a year on Food Stamps and other social services for low wage workers who don't make enough to take care of their basic needs. So these employers actually funnel them into the government entitlement system so that we have to take care of their employees.

If that makes sense to you, than you really must be a pretty dumb Republican.

The left wants $15 an hour for workers, that way billions upon billions of taxpayer money would be saved, our deficits would shrink even further, tens of millions of workers would be able to afford their own insurance and food, AND, Walmart would still be making billions of dollars every year.

Problem solved.

You don't really believe that thing about the fifteen bucks an hour, do you?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Who on minimum wage is going to have to pay $300/month for health insurance under Obamacare?

SO you agree to keep these people from having to pay anything, the min wage should stay where it is?

A family of four with one income at $15/hour, fulltime, still qualifies for Medicaid.

And?

 

[Wyatt earp]

I swear all this is about is trickle up poverty/ trickle up misery and that's exactly what it is.

 

[GWV5903]

I see a lot broken marriages over Obama care. Because this is going to get in a lot of fights how do you afford it? When they never had health insurance before.

They :

Paid the rent

Paid the power bill

Paid the car insurance

Ect....ect... ....

And now Obama thinks they have a extra $50 to $400 bucks a month to pay? This is a joke right?

They :

Paid the rent

Paid the power bill

Paid the car insurance

Ect....ect... ....

And
WE:

pay their medical bills...
The Cost Shift from the Uninsured
American Family Health Care Premiums Cost $1,100 More Because Our System Doesn’t Provide Continuous Coverage for All

You missed the point completely, we now continue to pay for their medical expenses and we now pay even more for it, that is the only real change and you f'ing idiots believe this is some kind of improvement...

 

[ilia25]

A subsidy is just that. But they will have to pay something month.. so again where are theyy going to get the money from?

The people who cannot afford health insurance, even with a subsidy, will be the ones who receive Medicaid.

What about the guys in the middle class like me? Who make 50 grand plus a year?
And I would rather enjoy my life and go to strip clubs, daytona beach and hawaii then rather spend $400 bucks a month on Health insurance? For some old person on life support?

OMG, how can you be so ignorant? On second though, never mind, you are a typical conservative..

You are already paying for that old person -- Medicare is funded by payroll taxes. Just as you are already paying for Medicaid. Obamacare will make you subsidize those who can't qualify for medicaid and those with pre-existing conditions. Which is totally fair.

 

[Zoom-boing]

The people who cannot afford health insurance, even with a subsidy, will be the ones who receive Medicaid.

What about the guys in the middle class like me? Who make 50 grand plus a year?
And I would rather enjoy my life and go to strip clubs, daytona beach and hawaii then rather spend $400 bucks a month on Health insurance? For some old person on life support?

OMG, how can you be so ignorant? On second though, never mind, you are a typical conservative..

You are already paying for that old person -- Medicare is funded by payroll taxes. Just as you are already paying for Medicaid. Obamacare will make you subsidize those who can't qualify for medicaid and those with pre-existing conditions. Which is totally fair.

How is it fair that people with pre-existing conditions get to pay the same as those without p/e conditions? People with p/e's are a higher risk to insure, they should pay more (not exorbitantly more, just more); people without p/e's are less of a risk, they should pay less.

 

[peach174]

The people who cannot afford health insurance, even with a subsidy, will be the ones who receive Medicaid.

What about the guys in the middle class like me? Who make 50 grand plus a year?
And I would rather enjoy my life and go to strip clubs, daytona beach and hawaii then rather spend $400 bucks a month on Health insurance? For some old person on life support?

OMG, how can you be so ignorant? On second though, never mind, you are a typical conservative..

You are already paying for that old person -- Medicare is funded by payroll taxes. Just as you are already paying for Medicaid. Obamacare will make you subsidize those who can't qualify for medicaid and those with pre-existing conditions. Which is totally fair.

Triple taxes for Health Care, paying off Student Loans and paying off the huge 17 trillion dollar debt is fair?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Nice new sock.... but I know your wife is still working and you are not.
Get a job.

Name change is not a sock you incompetent retard. What's me being disabled got to do with this thread eh sir whiney dick?>

If you can bang out stupid stuff on a political website, you are not too disabled that you cannot find work at home customer service work.
Check out enterprise.com/careers.
On the site, you'll find customer care positions that only require a high education, a compatible computer with high speed internet and 8 hours of your time 5 days per week.
Don't give us this shit that you are 'disabled'...anyone with a computer can find a job.
Cry your river elsewhere.

What about the guys in the middle class like me? Who make 50 grand plus a year?
And I would rather enjoy my life and go to strip clubs, daytona beach and hawaii then rather spend $400 bucks a month on Health insurance? For some old person on life support?

OMG, how can you be so ignorant? On second though, never mind, you are a typical conservative..

You are already paying for that old person -- Medicare is funded by payroll taxes. Just as you are already paying for Medicaid. Obamacare will make you subsidize those who can't qualify for medicaid and those with pre-existing conditions. Which is totally fair.

Triple taxes for Health Care, paying off Student Loans and paying off the huge 17 trillion dollar debt is fair?

Damn that was a great come back.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The people who cannot afford health insurance, even with a subsidy, will be the ones who receive Medicaid.

What about the guys in the middle class like me? Who make 50 grand plus a year?
And I would rather enjoy my life and go to strip clubs, daytona beach and hawaii then rather spend $400 bucks a month on Health insurance? For some old person on life support?

OMG, how can you be so ignorant? On second though, never mind, you are a typical conservative..

You are already paying for that old person -- Medicare is funded by payroll taxes. Just as you are already paying for Medicaid. Obamacare will make you subsidize those who can't qualify for medicaid and those with pre-existing conditions. Which is totally fair.

Then why Is Obama trying to force me to buy Obama care if my payroll taxes already cover the old folks and disabled on medicare and medicad? So who is the igorant one again?