A Reasonable measure to cut the number killed in mass shootings that wouldn't take guns away from anyone.

[Dayton3]

Sorry, but that is really, really naive.
First of all, an AR is built for the bullets that exist, so will not function on weaker bullets.
Second is that the AR is already about the weakest rifle made, and is so weak that it can not legally be used for hunting deer in many states.
Making it even weaker would render it useless completely.
Third is that lots of people reload their own bullets to save money, so these weak would be pointless.

1) These things were already posted up thread
2) I conceded it was a foolish idea.
3) So get the hell off my damned back.

 

[Rigby5]

1) These things were already posted up thread
2) I conceded it was a foolish idea.
3) So get the hell off my damned back.

Sorry. I did not read very many of the posts.
I usually read the first one, reply, and then start reading the latest ones.
But if they wanted to reduce the killing, the first thing they could do is stop selling hollow point pistol bullets.
It would cut the death rate from pistols by about two thirds, and almost all firearm deaths are with pistols.

 

[Esdraelon]

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"It seems like a reasonable step to me"

That's nice. All we have to do is make the weapon less effective. I guess that'd be for the "greater good"? IMO, 2A was designed for the greater good. Over the past few years we've seen some on the Left who've slipped up and admitted their ultimate goal and it is just as we assumed. Remove ALL firearms from anyone who isn't a soldier or a cop. Hundreds of thousands of us would die before bending over for ya on 2A.

Consider 2A to be a red line that will cost you more to cross than it's worth...

 

[2aguy]

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The rifle, bullets and magazine make no difference at the ranges of mass public shootings. The thing that matters is how long it takes before someone starts shooting back at the attacker.

 

[Batcat]

The rifle, bullets and magazine make no difference at the ranges of mass public shootings. The thing that matters is how long it takes before someone starts shooting back at the attacker.

While I basically agree with you, I will point out a single shot .22 LR bolt action rifle would be a poor choice for most mass murders In public places.

 

[2aguy]

While I basically agree with you, I will point out a single shot .22 LR bolt action rifle would be a poor choice for most mass murders In public places.

Poor choice but effective........

In Britain....

Weapons	Sawn-off[2][3] George Fisher 12 gauge double-barreled shotgun[4] CZ 452-2E ZKM .22-calibrebolt-action rifle[5]
Deaths	13 (including the perpetrator)[6]

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Batcat]

Poor choice but effective........

In Britain....

Weapons	Sawn-off[2][3] George Fisher 12 gauge double-barreled shotgun[4] CZ 452-2E ZKM .22-calibrebolt-action rifle[5]
Deaths	13 (including the perpetrator)[6]

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I mentioned a single shot bolt action .22 LR rifle. The CZ 452-2e ZKM has a five round magazine.

On the rifle I mentioned you pull the bolt back to eject a round and then load the next round by hand. On the Cz 452 pulling the bolt back ejects a round and pushing it forward loads a new round from the magazine. Much faster.

A 12 gauge double-barreled shotgun will reload quickly and is an absolutely devastating weapon at close range.

 

[Dayton3]

IIRC with practice and good planning, a single-shot weapon can fire up to six rounds a minute.

 

[Blues Man]

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Another opinion that equates suicides with murder.

Suicide is not a crime
Suicide is a choice that every person has the absolute right to make.

 

[Dayton3]

Another opinion that equates suicides with murder.

Suicide is not a crime
Suicide is a choice that every person has the absolute right to make.

Suicide is illegal in the United States.

Thus it is a crime.

 

[Batcat]

IIRC with practice and good planning, a single-shot weapon can fire up to six rounds a minute.

In the 10 seconds it takes to reload the shooter can be rushed and disarmed (assuming he is at close range, for example in a class room).

 

[Dayton3]

In the 10 seconds it takes to reload the shooter can be rushed and disarmed (assuming he is at close range, for example in a class room).

Yes if people have the mentality to do that which is not a given in such a situation.

 

[Batcat]

Yes if people have the mentality to do that which is not a given in such a situation.

Perhaps we should start training people while they are in school how to survive If caught in an attack involving a shooter.

 

[Correll]

Seems to me a reasonable measure would be to lock up dangerously crazy people.

 

[Batcat]

Seems to me a reasonable measure would be to lock up dangerously crazy people.

Many elected democrat prosecutors do not seem to be in flavor of doing reasonable stuff like that.

These Radical Democrat Prosecutors Are Breaking Their Oaths to Prosecute Criminals - AMAC - The Association of Mature American Citizens

From San Francisco to Philadelphia, from Chicago to Portland, radical progressive prosecutors have been taking the law into their own hands,

www.amac.us

Oregon State Police pull out of Portland after prosecutors refuse to prosecute Antifa criminals

Portland and some of the surrounding suburbs are war zones. The "woke" Democrat-filled government of the city and state have

noqreport.com

This Democrat Criminal Prosecution System is Deeply Immoral

One certain sign that a country has gone off the rails is when the governing power systematically imposes a criminal prosecution that is prepared to change laws and conditions to favor the criminals over law-abiding citizens and create an atmosphere ...

www.americanthinker.com

 

[Blues Man]

Suicide is illegal in the United States.

Thus it is a crime.

No it isn't

Suicide

www.law.cornell.edu

Suicide is no longer considered a crime in the United States