A Tale of Two Revolutions

[PoliticalChic]

The American Revolution, and the French Revolution....those two.

While it might seem that this should be in History, the thematic difference between the two upheavals was religion....perhaps, the 'deus ex machina'....pun intended.




1. The French Revolution sought to replace one religion with another: hence its fanaticism and exterminatory zeal. But the new religion of the nation was demonic, fraught with contradiction and self-hatred....quickly gave way to the Napoleonic project of empire, through which violence was externalized and a rule of law re-established at home.

2. The nation itself was the condition of citizenship, with reason and science as the object of worship.

3. Both religion and monarchy were restored by the Bonaparte regime...but in altered form, with the Code Napoleon and the promise of equal citizenship. The design was to give France what American had achieved: citizenship within a sovereign state under secular law.

4. In fact, the view spread throughout Europe bestowing social membership based on language, custom, and geography rather than religion and monarchical obedience. Even where the sentiment remained with a monarchy, e.g., Britain, it was still identified with a language and legal system. Add to that, the idea of a common interest in defense.
The above based on Scruton, "The West and The Rest," chapter two.






5. “The French Revolution occurred almost simultaneously with the American Revolution. While sharing many similarities, there was one glaring difference. The French were not Christian and attempted to introduce a godless humanistic government. The result is amply recorded in history books. Instead of the liberty, justice, peace, happiness, and prosperity experienced in America, France suffered chaos and injustice as thousands of heads rolled under the sharp blade of the guillotine.” Religion and Government in America: Are they*complementary? ? The Mandate






6. And, although America is a secular nation, there remains a certain religiosity throughout, a kind of civil religion. Civil religion is the common ecumenical ground where we all can gather—not just all Christian denominations, but all religions, and even the great host of people who practice no formal religion at all but believe in god and prayer. This is civil religion.
The god of civil religion is the "higher power as you know it"—the god behind all religions and everything else.

7. Civil religion is not a state religion, but rather an expression that religionizes national values, national heroes, national history, and national ideals. It proposes a God behind all gods that especially favors America. The unifying thing is not the object of prayer (god) but the source of the prayer—we Americans.

8. Civil religion came easy for Americans. Since the beginning we frequently saw ourselves as a "New Israel" coming out of Europe to freedom and plenty in our own promised land. We believed we had a "manifest destiny" to stretch our enlightened way of life from sea to shining sea, and eventually to export the “American way of life” around the world. We saw ourselves as God’s chosen people. He had other sheep, but we were god’s favorites. He wanted to use America to spread freedom.

a. The inscription on the Liberty Bell at Independence Hall in Philadelphia was a direct quote from the Book of Leviticus: "Proclaim liberty throughout the land unto all the inhabitants thereof."

9. "…the influence of the Exodus story on the ethos of the American Revolution. So powerful was this influence in 1776 that Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams suggested that the Great Seal of the United States should include an image of Moses leading the Israelites through the Red Sea."
The Great Seal of the United States






10. While the French and American Revolutions differed markedly with respect to religion, both claimed to endorse freedom. Here, again, they went in different directions:

The American Revolution to the 'right'....classical liberalism, based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

The French Revolution to the 'left'.....based on the slaughter of all who disagreed with the 'general will.' To this day, slaughter and oppression can be found at the center of every leftist revolution.




The mechanism of freedom, the freedom to oppose powers that be, came with the invention of the printing press and the rise of the bourgeoisie, which allowed intellectuals to find support from a new patron, the mass audience rather than to be beholding to a patron, a rich and powerful lord.

Benjamin Franklin used the press, along with Thomas Paine ("“These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in the crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”) infused the spirit of revolution.

But, in the case of the French, the antipathy to religion occurred at the same time. Without a transcendent God to provide the connection with mankind, the agnostic intellectual found in progressive ideology, characterized by the utopia of a perfectly egalitarian society, a substitute god.
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah"

 

[Spoonman]

the American revolution produced a government that wrote laws to protect the people from government. they new the evil government could become. as time progressed our government has step by step been dismantling those protections and returning power to the central government. it's time for a new revolution to rebalance the scales

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Why is it that the majority of liberal arts universities neglect teaching the French Revolution? Harvard has one course, UCLA none, Cornell none,…how to explain this? Shouldn’t the French Revolution be the cautionary tale for any civilized society, as it is the template for every bloody totalitarian dictatorship in the modern world?
Coulter, 'Demonic'

a. Is the course important? One of the most advanced, sophisticated nations of the 18th century kills 600,000 citizens- many of it’s most valuable citizens, plus some 145,000 flee the country- and the study of same is considered insignificant???
Schom, “Napoleon Bonaparte,” p. 253.


b. Why does the liberal establishment, the segment that controls the colleges and universities, wish that American students ignore, remain ignorant about, this historically critical event???

Possibly because students might put two and two together and see this pattern: a) psychopaths like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, and Chavez use a mob of rabble to gain power, b) with the same justification, the same objectives, and the same bloody results. And, might then notice that c) all were praised in the pages of the New York Times, and d) all were supported by the Democratic Party.
Coulter, 'Demonic'

 

[Gadawg73]

The American revolution was all about opposing religious influence in governing through colonial rule. That religious influence was even worse in France with life long privileges of all Christian clergy, aristocracy and the King's court. Tie in massive agricultural problems in the years before the heads started to roll and hungry oppressed folks get angry.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The American revolution was all about opposing religious influence in governing through colonial rule. That religious influence was even worse in France with life long privileges of all Christian clergy, aristocracy and the King's court. Tie in massive agricultural problems in the years before the heads started to roll and hungry oppressed folks get angry.

"The American revolution was all about opposing religious influence in governing through colonial rule."

Is this your first visit to our planet?



Once again....totally wrong....indicative of the fact that you are clueless.


1. Contrary to the assertions of Liberals, who wish our founding fathers were more like the godless French peasants, skipping around with human heads on a pike, our founding fathers were God-fearing descendants of Puritans and other colonial Christians.
Coulter


2. At the time of ratification of the Constitution, ten of the thirteen colonies had some provision recognizing Christianity as either the official, or the recommended religion in their state constitutions.

a. From the 1790 Massachusetts Constitution, written by John Adams, includes: [the] good order and preservation of civil government essentially depend(s) upon piety, religion, and morality…by the institution of public worship of God and of the public instruction in piety, religion, and morality…
”Constitution of Massachusetts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. North Carolina Constitution, article 32, 1776: “That no person who shall deny the being of God, or the truth of the Protestant religion, or the divine authority of either the Old or New Testaments, or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall b e capable of holding any office, or place of trust or profit, in the civil department, within this State.”
Constitution of North Carolina, 1776


c. So, the Founders intention was to be sure that the federal government didn’t do the same, and mandate a national religion. And when Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, it was to reassure them the federal government could not interfere in their religious observations, i.e., there is “a wall of separation between church and state.” He wasn’t speaking of religion contaminating the government, but of the government contaminating religious observance.




3. The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundementalist hate group.”

 

[Vox]

I would not call American War for Independence to be a revolution.

is is even called a "revolutionary war" traditionally, not a revolution.

it does not meet classic criteria of the revolution as well - it was not changing the existing regime totally destroying it but rather changing the hierarchy ( which was a radical part) without radically destroying the economy and livelihood of the ordinary people.

 

[Vox]

American War for Independence was not a disaster for the people, unlike the French revolution.

that is the major difference as well.

 

[Agit8r]

Obviously you generalize the French revolution as a single movement, which is of course very simplistic. The Estates General based the original declaration of the rights of man on humanism, just as our Declaration of Independence was (and in fact Lafeyette--who was the primary draftsman of that document was good buddies with the primary author of the Declaration of Independence at the time)

Later, various counter-revolutionary factions gained power and were overthrown from the socialist Babeuf, to the State-Deism of Robespierre. The original ideals of the revolution were not realized until the late 1800's, and then only in part.

 

[Vox]

Obviously you generalize the French revolution as a single movement, which is of course very simplistic. The Estates General based the original declaration of the rights of man on humanism, just as our Declaration of Independence was (and in fact Lafeyette--who was the primary draftsman of that document was good buddies with the primary author of the Declaration of Independence at the time)

Later, various counter-revolutionary factions gained power and were overthrown from the socialist Babeuf, to the State-Deism of Robespierre. The original ideals of the revolution were not realized until the late 1800's, and then only in part.

French revolution WAS a single movement.

what happened LATER is a classic feature of EVERY revolution - it devours its children. It's inevitable.

 

[Agit8r]

1. Contrary to the assertions of Liberals, who wish our founding fathers were more like the godless French peasants, skipping around with human heads on a pike, our founding fathers were God-fearing descendants of Puritans and other colonial Christians.

A) This talk of "godless French peasants" is entirely baseless. Bourbon France was a Catholic country, with religion sewn into the fabric of government.

B) While it is true that most of the founders were of some Christian denomination, they also denounced the excesses of that religion, such as the Inquisitions, the "Glorious Revolution" and the Salem Witch Trials. They were careful to guard against such excesses by building a wall of separation:

"...better proof of reverence for that holy name wd be not to profane it by making it a topic of legisl. discussion, & particularly by making his religion the means of abridging the natural and equal rights of all men, in defiance of his own declaration that his Kingdom was not of this world"
-- James Madison; from 'Detached Memoranda'

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obviously you generalize the French revolution as a single movement, which is of course very simplistic. The Estates General based the original declaration of the rights of man on humanism, just as our Declaration of Independence was (and in fact Lafeyette--who was the primary draftsman of that document was good buddies with the primary author of the Declaration of Independence at the time)

Later, various counter-revolutionary factions gained power and were overthrown from the socialist Babeuf, to the State-Deism of Robespierre. The original ideals of the revolution were not realized until the late 1800's, and then only in part.

"...of the rights of man on humanism, just as our Declaration of Independence was...."


You couldn't be more wrong.
You could try to be...but you wouldn't be successful.



1. Although attributed to Rousseau, it was Diderot who gave the model for totalitarianism of reason: “We must reason about all things,” and anyone who ‘refuses to seek out the truth’ thereby renounces his human nature and “should be treated by the rest of his species as a wild beast.”

So, once ‘truth’ is determined, anyone who doesn’t accept it was “either insane or wicked and morally evil.” It is not the individual who has the “ right to decide about the nature of right and wrong,” but only “the human race,” expressed as the general will. Himmelfarb, “The Roads to Modernity,” p. 167-68


2. Robespierre used Rousseau’s call for a “reign of virtue,’ proclaiming the Republic of Virtue, his euphemism for The Terror. In ‘The Social Contract’ Rousseau advocated death for anyone who did not uphold the common values of the community: the totalitarian view of reshaping of humanity, echoed in communism, Nazism, progressivism. Robespierre: “the necessity of bringing about a complete regeneration and, if I may express myself so, of creating a new people.”
Himmefarb, Ibid.




This is why France became an abattoir.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Contrary to the assertions of Liberals, who wish our founding fathers were more like the godless French peasants, skipping around with human heads on a pike, our founding fathers were God-fearing descendants of Puritans and other colonial Christians.

A) This talk of "godless French peasants" is entirely baseless. Bourbon France was a Catholic country, with religion sewn into the fabric of government.

B) While it is true that most of the founders were of some Christian denomination, they also denounced the excesses of that religion, such as the Inquisitions, the "Glorious Revolution" and the Salem Witch Trials. They were careful to guard against such excesses by building a wall of separation:

"...better proof of reverence for that holy name wd be not to profane it by making it a topic of legisl. discussion, & particularly by making his religion the means of abridging the natural and equal rights of all men, in defiance of his own declaration that his Kingdom was not of this world"
-- James Madison; from 'Detached Memoranda'

"This talk of "godless French peasants" is entirely baseless. Bourbon France was a Catholic country, with religion sewn into the fabric of government."


Astounding how ignorant you are.

You must be a Liberal.


1. The rabble, led by the Jacobins proceeded to smash every trace of the past- religion, law, the social order, even the weights and measures system, and even the calendar.

2. On November 2, 1789, the Assembly declared everything owned by the Catholic Church to be property of the state. Shortly after, the Assembly severed the French Catholic Church’s with the pope, dismissed 50 bishops, dissolved all clerical vows, reorganized the church so that priests were to be elected by popular vote, and required all the clergy to swear an oath of loyalty to the state.


3. With the Jacobins in control, the “de-Christianization” campaign kicked into high gear. Inspired by Rousseau’s idea of the religion civile, the revolution sought to completely destroy Christianity and replace it with a religion of the state. To honor “reason” and fulfill the promise of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen that “no one may be questioned about his opinions, including his religious views,” Catholic priests were forced to stand before the revolutionary clubs and take oaths to France’s new humanocentric religion, the Cult of Reason (which is French for ‘People for the American Way’).

a. Revolutionaries smashed church art and statues.



4. In Lyon, the archbishop refused to swear allegiance to the republic, and was removed, replaced by the revolutionary bishop Antoine Lamourette. But the people of Lyon responded by clinging to their guns and religion. So, the Convention ordered that Lyon, the second-largest city in France, be destroyed and a monument erected on the ashes proclaiming: “Lyon waged war against liberty; Lyon is no more.”

a. "The Cult of Reason (French: Culte de la Raison)a was an atheistic belief system established in France and intended as a replacement for Christianity during the French Revolution."
Cult of Reason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. Joseph Fouché, head of the de-Christianization, arranged for the “bankers, scholars, aristocrats, priests, nuns, wealthy merchants, their wives, mistresses and children” to be dragged from their homes and killed by firing squads. He then wrote that Christianity in the provinces “had been struck down once and for all.”


c. Lamourette had, originally thought that he could fuse revolutionary principles with Catholicism, much like today’s pro-life Democrats, based on a “can’t we all just get along” philosophy. Such gave rise to the idiom “the kiss of Lamourette.”

On July 7th, 1792, the Abbé Lamourette induced the different factions of the Legislative Assembly of France to lay aside their differences; so the deputies of the Royalists, Constitutionalists, Girondists, Jacobins, and Orleanists rushed into each other's arms, and the king was sent for to see “how these Christians loved one another;”but the reconciliation was hollow and unsound. The term is now used for a reconciliation of policy without abatement of rancor.
Lamourette's Kiss | Infoplease.com



5. In lieu of religious holidays, which were banned, the revolutionaries put on “Fetes of Reason.” The first was in November 1793, in the Notre Dame Cathedral, which had been renamed “The Temple of Reason,” with “To Philosophy” carved on the façade and the altar named the “Altar of Reason.” It was an ACLU fantasy come true!



6. France’s new leaders – fishmongers, cobblers, butchers, and lots of lawyers and journalists- set out to invent a new, nonreligious calendar. It began with “Year 1,” witch was really 1789, and had 12 30-day months based on ‘reason’ and ‘nature.’ Each month was three 10-day weeks.
The above based on "Demonic," by Coulter



a. “Has any reform been more futile? The Government’s arrogant discard of Christianity means that weeks have been extended to ten days instead of seven. The revision’s intent is to supplant the papal calendar with a uniform alternative of twelve months of thirty days each, based on the system of ancient Egypt. Bibles themselves were torn up to make paper gun cartridges in the grim days of 1793, and now the biblical week has been guillotined, each month instead divided into three decades of ten days, with the year, with the year beginning at the autumn equinox and five to six holidays added to balance idealism with our solar orbit. Not content with regimenting the calendar, the government has introduced a new metric system for weight and measure. There are even proposals for a new clock of precisely 100,000 seconds each day.

Reason, reason!...The new calendar is the kind of logical idea imposed by clever people that completely ignores habit, emotion, and human nature and thus forecasts the Revolution’s doom.”
From the novel “Napoleon’s Pyramids,” by William Dietrich


b. Napoleon abolished the French Revolutionary Calendar on January 1, 1806.




So....you got your 'education' in government schools, huh?

 

[Agit8r]

1. Contrary to the assertions of Liberals, who wish our founding fathers were more like the godless French peasants, skipping around with human heads on a pike, our founding fathers were God-fearing descendants of Puritans and other colonial Christians.

A) This talk of "godless French peasants" is entirely baseless. Bourbon France was a Catholic country, with religion sewn into the fabric of government.

B) While it is true that most of the founders were of some Christian denomination, they also denounced the excesses of that religion, such as the Inquisitions, the "Glorious Revolution" and the Salem Witch Trials. They were careful to guard against such excesses by building a wall of separation:

"...better proof of reverence for that holy name wd be not to profane it by making it a topic of legisl. discussion, & particularly by making his religion the means of abridging the natural and equal rights of all men, in defiance of his own declaration that his Kingdom was not of this world"
-- James Madison; from 'Detached Memoranda'

"This talk of "godless French peasants" is entirely baseless. Bourbon France was a Catholic country, with religion sewn into the fabric of government."


Astounding how ignorant you are.

You must be a Liberal.


1. The rabble, led by the Jacobins proceeded to smash every trace of the past- religion, law, the social order, even the weights and measures system, and even the calendar.

2. On November 2, 1789, the Assembly declared everything owned by the Catholic Church to be property of the state. Shortly after, the Assembly severed the French Catholic Church’s with the pope, dismissed 50 bishops, dissolved all clerical vows, reorganized the church so that priests were to be elected by popular vote, and required all the clergy to swear an oath of loyalty to the state.


3. With the Jacobins in control, the “de-Christianization” campaign kicked into high gear. Inspired by Rousseau’s idea of the religion civile, the revolution sought to completely destroy Christianity and replace it with a religion of the state. To honor “reason” and fulfill the promise of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen that “no one may be questioned about his opinions, including his religious views,” Catholic priests were forced to stand before the revolutionary clubs and take oaths to France’s new humanocentric religion, the Cult of Reason (which is French for ‘People for the American Way’).

a. Revolutionaries smashed church art and statues.



4. In Lyon, the archbishop refused to swear allegiance to the republic, and was removed, replaced by the revolutionary bishop Antoine Lamourette. But the people of Lyon responded by clinging to their guns and religion. So, the Convention ordered that Lyon, the second-largest city in France, be destroyed and a monument erected on the ashes proclaiming: “Lyon waged war against liberty; Lyon is no more.”

a. "The Cult of Reason (French: Culte de la Raison)a was an atheistic belief system established in France and intended as a replacement for Christianity during the French Revolution."
Cult of Reason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. Joseph Fouché, head of the de-Christianization, arranged for the “bankers, scholars, aristocrats, priests, nuns, wealthy merchants, their wives, mistresses and children” to be dragged from their homes and killed by firing squads. He then wrote that Christianity in the provinces “had been struck down once and for all.”


c. Lamourette had, originally thought that he could fuse revolutionary principles with Catholicism, much like today’s pro-life Democrats, based on a “can’t we all just get along” philosophy. Such gave rise to the idiom “the kiss of Lamourette.”

On July 7th, 1792, the Abbé Lamourette induced the different factions of the Legislative Assembly of France to lay aside their differences; so the deputies of the Royalists, Constitutionalists, Girondists, Jacobins, and Orleanists rushed into each other's arms, and the king was sent for to see “how these Christians loved one another;”but the reconciliation was hollow and unsound. The term is now used for a reconciliation of policy without abatement of rancor.
Lamourette's Kiss | Infoplease.com



5. In lieu of religious holidays, which were banned, the revolutionaries put on “Fetes of Reason.” The first was in November 1793, in the Notre Dame Cathedral, which had been renamed “The Temple of Reason,” with “To Philosophy” carved on the façade and the altar named the “Altar of Reason.” It was an ACLU fantasy come true!



6. France’s new leaders – fishmongers, cobblers, butchers, and lots of lawyers and journalists- set out to invent a new, nonreligious calendar. It began with “Year 1,” witch was really 1789, and had 12 30-day months based on ‘reason’ and ‘nature.’ Each month was three 10-day weeks.
The above based on "Demonic," by Coulter



a. “Has any reform been more futile? The Government’s arrogant discard of Christianity means that weeks have been extended to ten days instead of seven. The revision’s intent is to supplant the papal calendar with a uniform alternative of twelve months of thirty days each, based on the system of ancient Egypt. Bibles themselves were torn up to make paper gun cartridges in the grim days of 1793, and now the biblical week has been guillotined, each month instead divided into three decades of ten days, with the year, with the year beginning at the autumn equinox and five to six holidays added to balance idealism with our solar orbit. Not content with regimenting the calendar, the government has introduced a new metric system for weight and measure. There are even proposals for a new clock of precisely 100,000 seconds each day.

Reason, reason!...The new calendar is the kind of logical idea imposed by clever people that completely ignores habit, emotion, and human nature and thus forecasts the Revolution’s doom.”
From the novel “Napoleon’s Pyramids,” by William Dietrich


b. Napoleon abolished the French Revolutionary Calendar on January 1, 1806.




So....you got your 'education' in government schools, huh?

Again, you are conflating things that happened in 1793-4 with things that happened in 1789. You are clearly ignoring the differences between the various factions that came to power subsequent to one-another.

You also seem to be erroneously implying that the founders of this country were universally opposed to the ideas of the French Revolution because of their own religious beliefs. This is most untrue:

"I have a strong attachment for the French Republic, more especially because they have founded their Constitution on principles similar to our own, and upon which alone, I think, free and lawful governments must be founded."
-- Samuel Adams; from letter to George Clinton December 24th (1793)

"The appeal to the rights of man, which had been made in the U S. was taken up by France, first of the European nations. From her the spirit has spread over those of the South. The tyrants of the North have allied indeed against it, but it is irresistible. Their opposition will only multiply it's millions of human victims; their own satellites will catch it, and the condition of man thro' the civilized world will be finally and greatly ameliorated."
-- Thomas Jefferson; from his Autobiography (1821)

 

[PoliticalChic]

A) This talk of "godless French peasants" is entirely baseless. Bourbon France was a Catholic country, with religion sewn into the fabric of government.

B) While it is true that most of the founders were of some Christian denomination, they also denounced the excesses of that religion, such as the Inquisitions, the "Glorious Revolution" and the Salem Witch Trials. They were careful to guard against such excesses by building a wall of separation:

"...better proof of reverence for that holy name wd be not to profane it by making it a topic of legisl. discussion, & particularly by making his religion the means of abridging the natural and equal rights of all men, in defiance of his own declaration that his Kingdom was not of this world"
-- James Madison; from 'Detached Memoranda'

"This talk of "godless French peasants" is entirely baseless. Bourbon France was a Catholic country, with religion sewn into the fabric of government."


Astounding how ignorant you are.

You must be a Liberal.


1. The rabble, led by the Jacobins proceeded to smash every trace of the past- religion, law, the social order, even the weights and measures system, and even the calendar.

2. On November 2, 1789, the Assembly declared everything owned by the Catholic Church to be property of the state. Shortly after, the Assembly severed the French Catholic Church’s with the pope, dismissed 50 bishops, dissolved all clerical vows, reorganized the church so that priests were to be elected by popular vote, and required all the clergy to swear an oath of loyalty to the state.


3. With the Jacobins in control, the “de-Christianization” campaign kicked into high gear. Inspired by Rousseau’s idea of the religion civile, the revolution sought to completely destroy Christianity and replace it with a religion of the state. To honor “reason” and fulfill the promise of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen that “no one may be questioned about his opinions, including his religious views,” Catholic priests were forced to stand before the revolutionary clubs and take oaths to France’s new humanocentric religion, the Cult of Reason (which is French for ‘People for the American Way’).

a. Revolutionaries smashed church art and statues.



4. In Lyon, the archbishop refused to swear allegiance to the republic, and was removed, replaced by the revolutionary bishop Antoine Lamourette. But the people of Lyon responded by clinging to their guns and religion. So, the Convention ordered that Lyon, the second-largest city in France, be destroyed and a monument erected on the ashes proclaiming: “Lyon waged war against liberty; Lyon is no more.”

a. "The Cult of Reason (French: Culte de la Raison)a was an atheistic belief system established in France and intended as a replacement for Christianity during the French Revolution."
Cult of Reason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. Joseph Fouché, head of the de-Christianization, arranged for the “bankers, scholars, aristocrats, priests, nuns, wealthy merchants, their wives, mistresses and children” to be dragged from their homes and killed by firing squads. He then wrote that Christianity in the provinces “had been struck down once and for all.”


c. Lamourette had, originally thought that he could fuse revolutionary principles with Catholicism, much like today’s pro-life Democrats, based on a “can’t we all just get along” philosophy. Such gave rise to the idiom “the kiss of Lamourette.”

On July 7th, 1792, the Abbé Lamourette induced the different factions of the Legislative Assembly of France to lay aside their differences; so the deputies of the Royalists, Constitutionalists, Girondists, Jacobins, and Orleanists rushed into each other's arms, and the king was sent for to see “how these Christians loved one another;”but the reconciliation was hollow and unsound. The term is now used for a reconciliation of policy without abatement of rancor.
Lamourette's Kiss | Infoplease.com



5. In lieu of religious holidays, which were banned, the revolutionaries put on “Fetes of Reason.” The first was in November 1793, in the Notre Dame Cathedral, which had been renamed “The Temple of Reason,” with “To Philosophy” carved on the façade and the altar named the “Altar of Reason.” It was an ACLU fantasy come true!



6. France’s new leaders – fishmongers, cobblers, butchers, and lots of lawyers and journalists- set out to invent a new, nonreligious calendar. It began with “Year 1,” witch was really 1789, and had 12 30-day months based on ‘reason’ and ‘nature.’ Each month was three 10-day weeks.
The above based on "Demonic," by Coulter



a. “Has any reform been more futile? The Government’s arrogant discard of Christianity means that weeks have been extended to ten days instead of seven. The revision’s intent is to supplant the papal calendar with a uniform alternative of twelve months of thirty days each, based on the system of ancient Egypt. Bibles themselves were torn up to make paper gun cartridges in the grim days of 1793, and now the biblical week has been guillotined, each month instead divided into three decades of ten days, with the year, with the year beginning at the autumn equinox and five to six holidays added to balance idealism with our solar orbit. Not content with regimenting the calendar, the government has introduced a new metric system for weight and measure. There are even proposals for a new clock of precisely 100,000 seconds each day.

Reason, reason!...The new calendar is the kind of logical idea imposed by clever people that completely ignores habit, emotion, and human nature and thus forecasts the Revolution’s doom.”
From the novel “Napoleon’s Pyramids,” by William Dietrich


b. Napoleon abolished the French Revolutionary Calendar on January 1, 1806.




So....you got your 'education' in government schools, huh?

Again, you are conflating things that happened in 1793-4 with things that happened in 1789. You are clearly ignoring the differences between the various factions that came to power subsequent to one-another.

You also seem to be erroneously implying that the founders of this country were universally opposed to the ideas of the French Revolution because of their own religious beliefs. This is most untrue:

"I have a strong attachment for the French Republic, more especially because they have founded their Constitution on principles similar to our own, and upon which alone, I think, free and lawful governments must be founded."
-- Samuel Adams; from letter to George Clinton December 24th (1793)

"The appeal to the rights of man, which had been made in the U S. was taken up by France, first of the European nations. From her the spirit has spread over those of the South. The tyrants of the North have allied indeed against it, but it is irresistible. Their opposition will only multiply it's millions of human victims; their own satellites will catch it, and the condition of man thro' the civilized world will be finally and greatly ameliorated."
-- Thomas Jefferson; from his Autobiography (1821)

Don't make up pretenses about what I "seem to be implying" when it is very clear exactly what I have done.

I have destroyed any possible view that you know what you are talking about.




This: "This talk of "godless French peasants" is entirely baseless."







Here are the two things you must remember:
never write a post as dumb as this again, and Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.

 

[Gadawg73]

God had nothing to do with Jacob C. Terhune and his men running the British off and assisting in establishing a secular government here free from the centuries old dominance of the church through divine right mandates by the monarchy.
Go ahead and look him up PC. My ancestors were the ones that led the charge against the British. After Jacob was a Captain he was a Judge in Bergen county. My cousins still have all of his writings and papers. My grandmother was a Terhune.
Nice try girlie but stick to what you know.
Lame attempts to tell us what our direct descendants believed in and did is laughable at best.

 

[PoliticalChic]

God had nothing to do with Jacob C. Terhune and his men running the British off and assisting in establishing a secular government here free from the centuries old dominance of the church through divine right mandates by the monarchy.
Go ahead and look him up PC. My ancestors were the ones that led the charge against the British. After Jacob was a Captain he was a Judge in Bergen county. My cousins still have all of his writings and papers. My grandmother was a Terhune.
Nice try girlie but stick to what you know.
Lame attempts to tell us what our direct descendants believed in and did is laughable at best.

Talking through your hat as usual.

 

[Agit8r]

You also seem to be erroneously implying that the founders of this country were universally opposed to the ideas of the French Revolution because of their own religious beliefs. This is most untrue:

"I have a strong attachment for the French Republic, more especially because they have founded their Constitution on principles similar to our own, and upon which alone, I think, free and lawful governments must be founded."
-- Samuel Adams; from letter to George Clinton December 24th (1793)

"The appeal to the rights of man, which had been made in the U S. was taken up by France, first of the European nations. From her the spirit has spread over those of the South. The tyrants of the North have allied indeed against it, but it is irresistible. Their opposition will only multiply it's millions of human victims; their own satellites will catch it, and the condition of man thro' the civilized world will be finally and greatly ameliorated."
-- Thomas Jefferson; from his Autobiography (1821)

Don't make up pretenses about what I "seem to be implying" when it is very clear exactly what I have done.

I have destroyed any possible view that you know what you are talking about.


This: "This talk of "godless French peasants" is entirely baseless."

I am still waiting for you to back up the "godless peasant" assertion. And while you are at it, feel free to explain why you think that Colonial Americans were particularly religious, because their choice of reading material suggests otherwise:


from Poor Richards Almanack (1738)

 

[Vox]

French peasants were never "godless".

The French revolution ideologues were.

 

[Gadawg73]

God had nothing to do with Jacob C. Terhune and his men running the British off and assisting in establishing a secular government here free from the centuries old dominance of the church through divine right mandates by the monarchy.
Go ahead and look him up PC. My ancestors were the ones that led the charge against the British. After Jacob was a Captain he was a Judge in Bergen county. My cousins still have all of his writings and papers. My grandmother was a Terhune.
Nice try girlie but stick to what you know.
Lame attempts to tell us what our direct descendants believed in and did is laughable at best.

Talking through your hat as usual.

Tell us about your family history here, how far back they go and what documents your family has from 17th and 18th century America to read today.
And we will all wait for hell to freeze over as all you are is hot air.
Give it up.

 

[Agit8r]

French peasants were never "godless".

The French revolution ideologues were.

Some of the revolutionaries were nonbelievers. Are we to believe that the Abbé Sieyès was? I suspect not. Lafayette was a Mason, which means that he confessed belief in a Deity. Like our own revolution, there were a variety of beliefs among the participants.