A Tea Party Wants Mandatory Christmas Carols In Public Schools

[Sarah G]

Kids in schoold sing Christmas carols. If anyone wants the Christian ones, send your kids to Christian schools.

It's always something..

 

[California Girl]

Kids in schoold sing Christmas carols. If anyone wants the Christian ones, send your kids to Christian schools.

It's always something..

You are confusing the 'freedom of religion' with 'freedom from religion'....again. And, Christmas is a Christian festival. Perhaps the public schools should ignore it altogether.

 

[California Girl]

Just to chime in here.. I think there are a few dynamics at play..

First, anytime something is mandantory and violation will result in a form of punishment, is by definition not freedom.. So?? To say that it is mandatory to offer an opportunity, is in itself dsingenuous and not enforcable.. All a school has to say is that it offered and the students refused.. Case closed..

What is implied here is the mandantory perfromring and singing of Christmas carols.. They use the word 'offer' to enable the freedom arguement.. If you want freedom? Then don't make a law about it at all.. Let the schools and students make the call.. They don't need you mandating the oportunity to do anything..

Just be honest here! You want a law demanding that kids sing christian christmas carols.. That is cool!! I can live with that.. As long as there is a law telling them that Christmas was a Pagan holiday and Christ wasn't really born on Christmas.. He was actually born in March by all accounts according to the bible and other documents.. So is that fair?? You mandate christmas carols, if I can tell them christmas is a pagen holiday?? I mean?? I think telling the truth should be mandantory!! Every school should be required to offer the truth about chrsitmas and christianity in general?? I think that is fair!!

You neotards are quibbling over a word.. But remember.. Freedom also means to have the freedom to have no religion on schools.. The freedom of no religion should not be broken!!

No one is demanding that kids sing christian christmas carols. Someone is requesting that children have the OPPORTUNITY to sing them. Huge difference.

Just don't let me catch those kids singing songs about Obama!

Indoctrination damn it!

We are well aware that some in the Obamanation believe that he is the Messiah but there is no need to teach children that he is. Because he really isn't. "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy"

 

[Foxfyre]

IF the tea partiers can cast off the theocractic jihadists, they stand a chance. If not, they will dwell in the house of minority forever, amen.

And that would be a tragedy imho. Fiscal conservatism (imho) should NOT be marginalized. IMHO the Blue Dog (paygo) Democrats are in a much better position to push the agenda without all the distractions of the far right nutters. It remains to be seen if the far left nutters of THEIR party will allow it.

There are no 'theocratic jihadists' who are true Americans out there. There are those who recognize that religion, especially Christianity, is ingrained in American history, culture, values, and laws and who are becoming increasingly adament that the Atheistic or anti-religious jihadists should not be allowed to dismiss, exorcize, deny, or restrict acknowledgement and celebration of that. The Founders were quite careful to ensure that no religion would have power to control the U.S. government, but they were quite aware that Americans were religious and wrote into the Constitution that the government would not have the power to silence, reward, or punish anyone for expressing his/her religious beliefs. They fully expected that Americans would vote their values, including those arising from religious teachings or beliefs, into the laws, customs, and principles that guided government.

Up until the last several decades, there was no question about that. People were allowed to be patriots AND religious at the same time. Evenso it was the people themselves, while no less religious, who saw the wisdom of eliminating the theocracies that existed within individual states. Since then, no new theocracies have developed.. That tells me the Founders got it right about all that. A truly free people generally do eventually arrive at the best social contract acceptable to all.

In my opinion, there is far more danger to American values in attempting to squelch religious values than there is in allowing them to be expressed.

He is talking about some of the people who show up with their anti-abortion signs and stuff like that.

Well of course he is. If he is pro abortion, then anybody who is pro life will probably be identified as a 'religious jihadist' while, in his opinion, somebody with a pro choice sign is a great citizen exercising his or her freedom of speech. Whatever the topic, the PC 'jihadists' sometimes can't seem to see the hypocrisy in what they think should or should not be allowed/

I dont think he realizes that the "tea parties" consist of ALL types of americans....more from the right but we go all the way from far right to almost far left in our membership. That being said you will ALWAYS find a few crazies out there with signs....knowing how our media works those are the ones who will get propped up as representative of the movement. The media doesn't like us because their fat-cat politician friends are scared of us.

They don't like us because they know we are right and they don't want to admit it. . . or . . .

They don't like us because they are so insecure or so lazy that they are willing to give up practically all their liberty, choices, and options in favor of a bigger and bigger nanny state who will take care of them cradle to grave. . . or . . .

They don't like us because they are so brainwashed that they are no longer capable of understanding the implications or truth of the things they support.

Thats what happens with movements like this....we get ignored, then marginalized....then if we dont go away they start to fight back but if they go that far guess what......yup its in my sig line

Well the mainstread media and the leftwing hate sites are doing their damndest to ignore and marginalize us, but I don't think it is working as well for them this time. You see some big gun Democrats bailing out of Congress because they see the handwriting on the wall and don't want to incur the embarrassment of losing to a relative unknown. Even by MSM criteria, Sarah Palin's approval rating is one point under Hillary's right now. And Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress approval ratings continue to plumment while the generic ballot is slowly but surely tilting in the GOP's favor. The ratings of Fox News and conservative talk radio continues to rise.

All this could change if the economy significantly recovers prior to the election later this year, but I'm hoping that at least a majority of American's are emerging from the fog and realizing what is really important and what they really need to be supporting and defending. And that wouldn't be what the leftist Congress and the Obama administration are advocating.

 

[uscitizen]

Let the nutz have their Christmas carols in public schools. Schedule them for july 15.

 

[California Girl]

Let the nutz have their Christmas carols in public schools. Schedule them for july 15.

Or.... in the spirit of equality and inclusiveness, perhaps the children who would like to participate should be allowed to do so and the non-Christian kids could not participate. Since Christmas is a Christian festival celebrated on Dec 25, I think that no non Christian should decide when we can celebrate and in what way.

 

[TheSuaveOne]

I'd rather see my kids get more schooling reading, writing, math and science than wasting their time in school singing Christmas, Kwanza, Chanukah, (insert your religious holiday here) carols.

-TSO

 

[California Girl]

I'd rather see my kids get more schooling reading, writing, math and science than wasting their time in school singing Christmas, Kwanza, Chanukah, (insert your religious holiday here) carols.

-TSO

I guess it depends on whether you see the benefit of making school fun for little ones - ya know, so they like it and maybe learn more. And it is not mandatory, just an opportunity. Why does everything have to be one or the other. Why cannot we make room for other people's views to be taken into account.

To me, it is what Americans have lost in more recent times.... the ability to allow others the freedom we want for ourselves.

 

[Coyote]

Here's an easy solution.

Christmas is officially December 25th.

Lets have mandatory Christmas Carols on December 25th.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Christmas Carols or Songs of praise to Chairman O? Go with Christmas Carols.

 

[uscitizen]

Let the nutz have their Christmas carols in public schools. Schedule them for july 15.

Or.... in the spirit of equality and inclusiveness, perhaps the children who would like to participate should be allowed to do so and the non-Christian kids could not participate. Since Christmas is a Christian festival celebrated on Dec 25, I think that no non Christian should decide when we can celebrate and in what way.

as long as no tax dollars are involded. And no non christian childrens rights are stomped on.
I fully agree.

btw Children are not Christians till the age of consent.
I was forced to attend church till I was 16, however I was not allowed to join the church (had I desired) till I was an adult.

 

[TheSuaveOne]

I'd rather see my kids get more schooling reading, writing, math and science than wasting their time in school singing Christmas, Kwanza, Chanukah, (insert your religious holiday here) carols.

-TSO

I guess it depends on whether you see the benefit of making school fun for little ones - ya know, so they like it and maybe learn more. And it is not mandatory, just an opportunity. Why does everything have to be one or the other. Why cannot we make room for other people's views to be taken into account.

To me, it is what Americans have lost in more recent times.... the ability to allow others the freedom we want for ourselves.

There is nothing wrong with doing it out of school and not as a school function. Thinking back to my school days, I do remember sing Christmas carols...and no, I didn't think that was fun. Not that I would have wanted to have more schooling in it's place, but with the direction our education system is headed, I don't think more teaching in the basic subjects would hurt our students...at all.

-TSO

 

[California Girl]

Let the nutz have their Christmas carols in public schools. Schedule them for july 15.

Or.... in the spirit of equality and inclusiveness, perhaps the children who would like to participate should be allowed to do so and the non-Christian kids could not participate. Since Christmas is a Christian festival celebrated on Dec 25, I think that no non Christian should decide when we can celebrate and in what way.

as long as no tax dollars are involded. And no non christian childrens rights are stomped on.
I fully agree.

btw Children are not Christians till the age of consent.
I was forced to attend church till I was 16, however I was not allowed to join the church (had I desired) till I was an adult.

I could not give a shit what 'issues' you did or did not face as a child. That is neither here nor there to anyone but you.

No one is asking for anything other than an OPPORTUNITY for kids to sing some carols. Personally, I think it is sad - as well as pathetic - that whining by people who are not Christian takes precedence over a what should be a fun thing for the kids.

What I do find interesting is the amount of people who are not Christians but still celebrate Christmas.

 

[uscitizen]

Or.... in the spirit of equality and inclusiveness, perhaps the children who would like to participate should be allowed to do so and the non-Christian kids could not participate. Since Christmas is a Christian festival celebrated on Dec 25, I think that no non Christian should decide when we can celebrate and in what way.

as long as no tax dollars are involded. And no non christian childrens rights are stomped on.
I fully agree.

btw Children are not Christians till the age of consent.
I was forced to attend church till I was 16, however I was not allowed to join the church (had I desired) till I was an adult.

I could not give a shit what 'issues' you did or did not face as a child. That is neither here nor there to anyone but you.

No one is asking for anything other than an OPPORTUNITY for kids to sing some carols. Personally, I think it is sad - as well as pathetic - that whining by people who are not Christian takes precedence over a what should be a fun thing for the kids.

What I do find interesting is the amount of people who are not Christians but still celebrate Christmas.

Yeah but we non christians sing better songs like "Walkin round in womens underwear".

 

[California Girl]

as long as no tax dollars are involded. And no non christian childrens rights are stomped on.
I fully agree.

btw Children are not Christians till the age of consent.
I was forced to attend church till I was 16, however I was not allowed to join the church (had I desired) till I was an adult.

I could not give a shit what 'issues' you did or did not face as a child. That is neither here nor there to anyone but you.

No one is asking for anything other than an OPPORTUNITY for kids to sing some carols. Personally, I think it is sad - as well as pathetic - that whining by people who are not Christian takes precedence over a what should be a fun thing for the kids.

What I do find interesting is the amount of people who are not Christians but still celebrate Christmas.

Yeah but we non christians sing better songs like "Walkin round in womens underwear".

You seem to have a very narrow view of things. You are aware that Christians sing non Christian songs too, right? Or is everything in your world an 'either or' scenario?

 

[Coyote]

I have no issue with children singing Christmas carols in school - nor do I have any issue with them singing Islamic songs or Jewish songs around appropriate holidays. I do have issues with special laws set up mandating that one religion gets special treatment over others and said caroling must be offered, even if it has a voluntary "out".

The laws as currently read already allow for carols within some pretty broad guidelines and the broad majority of our citizens follow a Christian tradition and will likely have children singing carols in school anyway without a special law mandating it because that is tradition All the law does is attempt to grant a legitimacy to false claims of "persecution" by the country's dominant religious group and open the door to further attempts to insert one particular religion into a special status.

 

[California Girl]

I'd rather see my kids get more schooling reading, writing, math and science than wasting their time in school singing Christmas, Kwanza, Chanukah, (insert your religious holiday here) carols.

-TSO

I guess it depends on whether you see the benefit of making school fun for little ones - ya know, so they like it and maybe learn more. And it is not mandatory, just an opportunity. Why does everything have to be one or the other. Why cannot we make room for other people's views to be taken into account.

To me, it is what Americans have lost in more recent times.... the ability to allow others the freedom we want for ourselves.

There is nothing wrong with doing it out of school and not as a school function. Thinking back to my school days, I do remember sing Christmas carols...and no, I didn't think that was fun. Not that I would have wanted to have more schooling in it's place, but with the direction our education system is headed, I don't think more teaching in the basic subjects would hurt our students...at all.

-TSO

I see no harm whatsoever in a bit of diversity, a bit of allowing children to learn about things that they might not otherwise be exposed to. I fail to understand why it's such a big deal for kids to have opportunities. Opportunities are what encourage children to learn and step outside their comfort zone. No one is advocating that it take the place of basic subjects, just that room is made for other types of learning. It's not like it is all year, just a festivity that children should be allowed the opportunity to participate in. Like sports or anything else.... not vital to their key skills, but a good thing for them to do. Children learn through a variety of methods - including play.

Personally, my parents taught me the basics before I even started school. When kids fail, the fault is often not the child, or the school, but the parent.

 

[rightwinger]

No one is demanding that kids sing christian christmas carols. Someone is requesting that children have the OPPORTUNITY to sing them. Huge difference.

Just don't let me catch those kids singing songs about Obama!

Indoctrination damn it!

We are well aware that some in the Obamanation believe that he is the Messiah but there is no need to teach children that he is. Because he really isn't. "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy"

Singing about Jesus.......GOOD Indoctrination of Children
Singing about Obama.....BAD Indoctrination of Children

 

[TheSuaveOne]

What I do find interesting is the amount of people who are not Christians but still celebrate Christmas.

I find it interesting how many so called Christians celebrate Christ's birth with a bunch of Pagan symbols.

-TSO

 

[California Girl]

Just don't let me catch those kids singing songs about Obama!

Indoctrination damn it!

We are well aware that some in the Obamanation believe that he is the Messiah but there is no need to teach children that he is. Because he really isn't. "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy"

Singing about Jesus.......GOOD Indoctrination of Children
Singing about Obama.....BAD Indoctrination of Children

Singing about ANY POTUS - political indocrination.

Had kids been singing happy clappy songs about Bush, you would be fine with that? I think not.