A week in the life of Donald Trump

[whitehall]

More like a "life in a week of Media Matters".

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It’s gotten to the point where every week is a disaster for Trump.

 

[MisterBeale]

So, Trump went to Helsinki. He stood standing beside Putin and he said a lot of stuff. This is July 16th.

Trump-Putin in Helsinki: Transcript and Video

He said:

"There was no collusion at all. Everybody knows it."

"But the main thing — and we discussed this also — zero collusion."

"but just to say it one time again — and I say it all the time — there was no collusion."

Putin said: "Could you name a single fact that would definitely prove the collusion? This is utter nonsense, just like the president recently mentioned."

Trump said: "My people came to me, Dan Coates came to me and some others, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.

I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. "

Also when asked the questions:

1) "What — who — my first question for you, sir, is who do you believe?"
2) "would you denounce what happened in 2016 and would you warn him to never do it again?"

Trump said:

"you have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server — haven’t they taken the server. Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee?"

"Where is the server? I want to know where is the server and what is the server saying?"

"What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They’re missing; where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton’s e-mails? 33,000 e-mails gone — just gone. I think in Russia they wouldn’t be gone so easily. I think it’s a disgrace that we can’t get Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 e-mails."

July 17th and Trump said:

A Besieged Trump Says He Misspoke on Russian Election Meddling

"On Tuesday, he said that he had misspoken. “The sentence should have been, ‘I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia,’ sort of a double negative,” Mr. Trump said. “So you can put that in, and I think that probably clarifies things pretty good.”"

Did he misspeak?

The problem here is that Trump said there was no collusion. Putin said there was no collusion.

Trump's people came to him and said they thought Putin did something. Putin said he didn't do something.

Trump's language throughout the whole thing is one of "Putin didn't do anything". He says that he won the election fairly. This means Putin wasn't involved.

He said:
"And it has had a negative impact upon the relationship of the two largest nuclear powers in the world. We have 90 percent of nuclear power between the two countries.

It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous what’s going on with the probe."

Again, there is no reason to have a probe, because nothing happened.

Then he said what he said. But he was criticized for saying something that was CONSISTENT with everything else he said.

He claimed he had a problem with a double negative. Bullshit did he.

Bring on 19th July

Yahoo is now part of Oath

"
Trump now claims he was 'very strong' with Putin on election meddling"

"Donald Trump now says he holds the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, personally responsible for his country’s meddling in the 2016 presidential election,"

Really? Why didn't he do this three days earlier? He gets attacked, he gets called treasonous and he says he misspoke, then he say it actually was Putin.

So which Trump do you believe?

The one who said Putin had nothing to do with it or the one who said Putin did this?

How can anyone follow such blatant saving face? We all know what Trump said, it's written down for the whole world to see, and he acts like everyone's stupid. Like he's always done.

I love the expression on Putin's face as Trump made a fool of himself. He had to be thinking, "You fucking idiot. Thank God, we got you elected."

Damn, I always thought you were smarter than that.

I can't think of a single person in this entire nation that was affected by Russia or had their vote changed by Russia, and there is no evidence that Russia hacked the vote, yet you would make a statement like that?

Now you have relegated yourself to the likes of rderp and nat? You really want to go there?


Do you seriously think Russia had anything to do with HIllary's loss?


This shit was all foreseen before the election even happened. . . .


October 11 2016, 9:14 a.m

In the Democratic Echo Chamber, Inconvenient Truths Are Recast as Putin Plots

". . .. . But come January, Democrats will continue to be the dominant political faction in the U.S. — more so than ever — and the tactics they are now embracing will endure past the election, making them worthy of scrutiny. Those tactics now most prominently include dismissing away any facts or documents that reflect negatively on their leaders as fake, and strongly insinuating that anyone who questions or opposes those leaders is a stooge or agent of the Kremlin, tasked with a subversive and dangerously un-American mission on behalf of hostile actors in Moscow.

To see how extreme and damaging this behavior has become, let’s just quickly examine two utterly false claims that Democrats over the past four days — led by party-loyal journalists. . . . "

Do I think Russia tampered with the election?
What I think doesn't really matter but what 13 different government security agencies think certainly does? And with the mid terms just around the corner, 34% of republicans an 95% of democrats believing Russia interfered in the elections also matters.

What they ACTUALLY think, and what they say they think are in fact two different things.

Maybe. That depends on exactly who they are and who they are talking to. Back in Jan 2017, the intelligence people met with Trump gave him the evidence of Russia hacking. At that time he seem to believe them. However, in his rather incoherent ramblings latter he seem indicated he did not. Now he does and he doesn't. As I said in the past, the public will not see any real proof, until the Mueller investigation is complete. The congressional investigations are just plain political B.S.

So why do you believe the congressional investigations are "just plain political B.S." and the Mueller investigation isn't?

 

[MisterBeale]

Damn, I always thought you were smarter than that.

I can't think of a single person in this entire nation that was affected by Russia or had their vote changed by Russia, and there is no evidence that Russia hacked the vote, yet you would make a statement like that?

Now you have relegated yourself to the likes of rderp and nat? You really want to go there?


Do you seriously think Russia had anything to do with HIllary's loss?


This shit was all foreseen before the election even happened. . . .


October 11 2016, 9:14 a.m

In the Democratic Echo Chamber, Inconvenient Truths Are Recast as Putin Plots

". . .. . But come January, Democrats will continue to be the dominant political faction in the U.S. — more so than ever — and the tactics they are now embracing will endure past the election, making them worthy of scrutiny. Those tactics now most prominently include dismissing away any facts or documents that reflect negatively on their leaders as fake, and strongly insinuating that anyone who questions or opposes those leaders is a stooge or agent of the Kremlin, tasked with a subversive and dangerously un-American mission on behalf of hostile actors in Moscow.

To see how extreme and damaging this behavior has become, let’s just quickly examine two utterly false claims that Democrats over the past four days — led by party-loyal journalists. . . . "

The problem is you're trying to make this simple, when it's anything but.

People are influenced by advertising.

Can you find one person who bought a Coca-Cola because they saw an advert on TV telling them to buy it?

No. But clearly advertising has worked wonders for Coca-Cola.

It really is pretty simple.

The corporate media, with embedded Intel agents is selling you a story, just like advertising.

. . . and you are buying it.

You are criticizing Trump for NOT buying it.

Oh, I understand what the media is doing.

I also understand what you're doing.

I'm criticizing Trump for not dealing with the situation.

You're defending Trump because he's told you "fake news" and you've said "yes, it's all fake news", when clearly it isn't all fake news.

I could provide various evidence of things Russia has done, and why I wouldn't trust them for shit.

No actually, you can't.

I've already shown you, there is a clear lack of evidence, and the folks you believe you are getting evidence from have a proven history of not being trust worthy.

But go on believing your fantasy world.

Yes, actually I can.

Take for example the downing of the Malaysian Airlines plane.

The plane was shot down.

At first they said it was shot down, and they had evidence of it. They actually posted the photo.

(Because I can't post due to "russian characters" which I can't find to eliminate, I'm posting a previous post where I have these sources. U.S. Response to Chemical Weapons Attack In Syria.)

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17: Russia Lied, Faked Photos To Blame Ukraine For Shootdown, Study Finds

This is something I know happened. I know this was reported in the Russian media. I can prove this 100%.

(Because I can't post due to "russian characters" which I can't find to eliminate, I'm posting a previous post where I have these sources. U.S. Response to Chemical Weapons Attack In Syria.)

Here's the Russian media saying it was hit by SAM. This is part of the Putin controlled media at that. Russia admitted it was a not shot down by a Ukrainian missile shot from a Ukrainian jet.

So why lie? So why photoshop this image to claim it was something it wasn't?

There are two possibilities here though. The first is the Russia photoshopped it.
The second is the US or an ally photoshopped it and the Russians were eager to have it.

Either way they put it in Putin controlled media. Putin would have known about this, would have accepted that this evidence, which would be a national secret if true and require the president's permission to print.

I can't prove that the Russians shot down flight MA17.
Ukraine has these missiles, Russia has these missiles. Russia could have given these missiles to the rebels.

But I can add more evidence. Russian troops in the Ukraine.

We know that Russia sends troops to Syria who aren't "Russian troops". They are, but they're not. It's done so Putin doesn't have to cope with high casualty figures.

More than 640 Russian mercenary soldiers killed in Syria | Daily Mail Online

Here's a story about the Mercenaries.

How Russian mercenaries use secret flights to travel to Syria

Here's a story about how Russian mercenaries fly to Syria secretly.

Not stuff you're going to find in the Russian media, but almost certainly true. Really the west doesn't gain much, or anything from reporting this. Russia doesn't care. They make it secret for internal use only. Many Russians won't know about this.

We also know that Russian "mercenaries", i.e. Russian paid troops, paid by Putin, went to the Ukraine.

We can look at Syria and see what Putin is doing with mercenaries. We can look to the Ukraine and see that he almost certainly did a similar thing there.

This stuff is evidence. It's not PROOF. Proof is very hard to find.

We could go have a look at the evidence of killings in the UK too. One person killed with polonium, one almost killed with novichok. Both of them former FSB, both of them given British citizenship.

We can look at how the Russians utilize the situation.

This Russian diplomat's suggesting the spy attack nerve agent came from a UK lab

"
Russian ambassador suggests BRITISH lab Porton Down could be source of spy attack nerve agent as diplomatic row escalates
"

Russian Diplomat Says Reaction at UK’s Porton Down Proves It Develops Toxic Chemicals

"
Russian Diplomat Says Reaction at UK’s Porton Down Proves It Develops Toxic Chemicals"

So, what did the Russians do?

First they put out information that maybe, possibly, potentially the UK might, may have, could have Novichok. If the UK has it, then it might not be the Russians who did it.

It's spreading information that makes people doubt. Makes people doubt the story that's coming out of the West. Makes people who mistrust the US and UK govts think it was something else. They'll be very vocal about it. The Russians don't need to do very much. The mechanisms are already in place, they just need to give them the information.

Then the Russians saw the British response. The British didn't deny they had this chemical agent. So the Russians thought "ah, perhaps they do have it. Let's push some more."

So they state that it proves the UK have it. They get minor functionaries to say this stuff, to "leak" this information.

Perhaps Putin was killing three birds with one stone. Kill a traitor, put fear into FSB agents not to be traitors and find out what the UK has and doesn't have.

All this information comes out. I know it's true, because the media exchange is part of the game.

So, I can see how Russia plays the game. Important information.

No matter whether the media lies or not, I can see what's happening. I can see who's saying what in the media. I can see what Putin's doing.

Yes, I don't have PROOF. Who has proof? Maybe the intelligence services are the only ones with enough evidence to be able to say there's proof. People like us will never have enough evidence of real substance.

So, did Russia interfere in the US election?

Well, there are things in the media that point towards this. I'm not saying I know what Russia did, wait and see.

Did Putin do anything? I'd say yes. Putin plays the game. Misinformation is a massive tool of his. Former KGB, he plays games with every large event concerning Russia. MA17, polonium killing, attempted Novichok killing. Georgia, Ukraine.

This is what he does. I can't imagine he wouldn't be doing stuff. In the modern era computers are how you get into people's heads.

Viruses, hacking, misinformation. It's where the future of warfare is headed.

From Russia With Malware

Here's a potential story, "
Russia's Greatest Weapon May Be Its Hackers"

Maybe it's true, maybe not. Surely someone has enough information to write such a story. Maybe not enough to know what's really happening.

The problem here is, you don't know, but you say what is convenient for you. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. I look for the truth.

I appreciate you diligence.

You're problem is you use too many round table group sources.

Some of the stories you have gotten correct, some, you have gotten woefully wrong.

 

[MisterBeale]

So, Trump went to Helsinki. He stood standing beside Putin and he said a lot of stuff. This is July 16th.

Trump-Putin in Helsinki: Transcript and Video

He said:

"There was no collusion at all. Everybody knows it."

"But the main thing — and we discussed this also — zero collusion."

"but just to say it one time again — and I say it all the time — there was no collusion."

Putin said: "Could you name a single fact that would definitely prove the collusion? This is utter nonsense, just like the president recently mentioned."

Trump said: "My people came to me, Dan Coates came to me and some others, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.

I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. "

Also when asked the questions:

1) "What — who — my first question for you, sir, is who do you believe?"
2) "would you denounce what happened in 2016 and would you warn him to never do it again?"

Trump said:

"you have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server — haven’t they taken the server. Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee?"

"Where is the server? I want to know where is the server and what is the server saying?"

"What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They’re missing; where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton’s e-mails? 33,000 e-mails gone — just gone. I think in Russia they wouldn’t be gone so easily. I think it’s a disgrace that we can’t get Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 e-mails."

July 17th and Trump said:

A Besieged Trump Says He Misspoke on Russian Election Meddling

"On Tuesday, he said that he had misspoken. “The sentence should have been, ‘I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia,’ sort of a double negative,” Mr. Trump said. “So you can put that in, and I think that probably clarifies things pretty good.”"

Did he misspeak?

The problem here is that Trump said there was no collusion. Putin said there was no collusion.

Trump's people came to him and said they thought Putin did something. Putin said he didn't do something.

Trump's language throughout the whole thing is one of "Putin didn't do anything". He says that he won the election fairly. This means Putin wasn't involved.

He said:
"And it has had a negative impact upon the relationship of the two largest nuclear powers in the world. We have 90 percent of nuclear power between the two countries.

It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous what’s going on with the probe."

Again, there is no reason to have a probe, because nothing happened.

Then he said what he said. But he was criticized for saying something that was CONSISTENT with everything else he said.

He claimed he had a problem with a double negative. Bullshit did he.

Bring on 19th July

Yahoo is now part of Oath

"
Trump now claims he was 'very strong' with Putin on election meddling"

"Donald Trump now says he holds the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, personally responsible for his country’s meddling in the 2016 presidential election,"

Really? Why didn't he do this three days earlier? He gets attacked, he gets called treasonous and he says he misspoke, then he say it actually was Putin.

So which Trump do you believe?

The one who said Putin had nothing to do with it or the one who said Putin did this?

How can anyone follow such blatant saving face? We all know what Trump said, it's written down for the whole world to see, and he acts like everyone's stupid. Like he's always done.

I love the expression on Putin's face as Trump made a fool of himself. He had to be thinking, "You fucking idiot. Thank God, we got you elected."

Damn, I always thought you were smarter than that.

I can't think of a single person in this entire nation that was affected by Russia or had their vote changed by Russia, and there is no evidence that Russia hacked the vote, yet you would make a statement like that?

Now you have relegated yourself to the likes of rderp and nat? You really want to go there?


Do you seriously think Russia had anything to do with HIllary's loss?


This shit was all foreseen before the election even happened. . . .


October 11 2016, 9:14 a.m

In the Democratic Echo Chamber, Inconvenient Truths Are Recast as Putin Plots

". . .. . But come January, Democrats will continue to be the dominant political faction in the U.S. — more so than ever — and the tactics they are now embracing will endure past the election, making them worthy of scrutiny. Those tactics now most prominently include dismissing away any facts or documents that reflect negatively on their leaders as fake, and strongly insinuating that anyone who questions or opposes those leaders is a stooge or agent of the Kremlin, tasked with a subversive and dangerously un-American mission on behalf of hostile actors in Moscow.

To see how extreme and damaging this behavior has become, let’s just quickly examine two utterly false claims that Democrats over the past four days — led by party-loyal journalists. . . . "

Do I think Russia tampered with the election?
What I think doesn't really matter but what 13 different government security agencies think certainly does? And with the mid terms just around the corner, 34% of republicans an 95% of democrats believing Russia interfered in the elections also matters.

What they ACTUALLY think, and what they say they think are in fact two different things.

And the same for you, too, right?

I haven't said I know stuff. But yet you say I'm a victim of the media, but somehow you're not, because.....

I don't believe any media that is in bed with the intelligence agencies.

Likewise, I try to crosscheck stories with motive and other sources not affiliated with the establishment paradigm.

On top of that, I am aware that any media that is supported by advertisers is going to lie to you.

MEDIA LIES, all corporate media and MSM lie to you.

When I watch your posting, I see you are suckered in by most of it.

How You Can Be Absolutely Certain That Mainstream Media Lies About Everything

 

[Flopper]

I love the expression on Putin's face as Trump made a fool of himself. He had to be thinking, "You fucking idiot. Thank God, we got you elected."

Damn, I always thought you were smarter than that.

I can't think of a single person in this entire nation that was affected by Russia or had their vote changed by Russia, and there is no evidence that Russia hacked the vote, yet you would make a statement like that?

Now you have relegated yourself to the likes of rderp and nat? You really want to go there?


Do you seriously think Russia had anything to do with HIllary's loss?


This shit was all foreseen before the election even happened. . . .


October 11 2016, 9:14 a.m

In the Democratic Echo Chamber, Inconvenient Truths Are Recast as Putin Plots

". . .. . But come January, Democrats will continue to be the dominant political faction in the U.S. — more so than ever — and the tactics they are now embracing will endure past the election, making them worthy of scrutiny. Those tactics now most prominently include dismissing away any facts or documents that reflect negatively on their leaders as fake, and strongly insinuating that anyone who questions or opposes those leaders is a stooge or agent of the Kremlin, tasked with a subversive and dangerously un-American mission on behalf of hostile actors in Moscow.

To see how extreme and damaging this behavior has become, let’s just quickly examine two utterly false claims that Democrats over the past four days — led by party-loyal journalists. . . . "

Do I think Russia tampered with the election?
What I think doesn't really matter but what 13 different government security agencies think certainly does? And with the mid terms just around the corner, 34% of republicans an 95% of democrats believing Russia interfered in the elections also matters.

What they ACTUALLY think, and what they say they think are in fact two different things.

Maybe. That depends on exactly who they are and who they are talking to. Back in Jan 2017, the intelligence people met with Trump gave him the evidence of Russia hacking. At that time he seem to believe them. However, in his rather incoherent ramblings latter he seem indicated he did not. Now he does and he doesn't. As I said in the past, the public will not see any real proof, until the Mueller investigation is complete. The congressional investigations are just plain political B.S.

So why do you believe the congressional investigations are "just plain political B.S." and the Mueller investigation isn't?

Put very simply, because they are a congressional investigation, they are political B.S. There's not a single house member or senator that is not working to keep their own seat or gaining seats for their party. For some that means supporting the president efforts to discredit and shutdown the Mueller investigation. For others it means discrediting the president and trying to tie Trump to collusion with the Russians. It just depends on the congressmen's constituents.

By contrast, Mueller and his staff unlike congressmen are not professional politicians, do not answer to voters, and conclusions from the investigation will have little impact on their future. Congressional investigations are not likely to lead to any indictments where the Mueller investigation has already had several dozen. You might accuse or speculate on biases of member of the Mueller investigation but there is no doubt that every member of a congressional investigation committee is biased. Lastly, the conclusions from the Mueller investigations are a matter of speculation. Congressional investigation general go in whatever direction is best for party in power since they control the committee.

 

[theliq]

He said:

"There was no collusion at all. Everybody knows it."

"But the main thing — and we discussed this also — zero collusion."

"but just to say it one time again — and I say it all the time — there was no collusion."

Putin said: "Could you name a single fact that would definitely prove the collusion? This is utter nonsense, just like the president recently mentioned."

That's all true.

Trump said: "My people came to me, Dan Coates came to me and some others, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.

I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. "

He corrected this in 24 hours. Said he left out the "Not" in "it would NOT be".

if you believe that Flacc,there is no hope for America...You know well,some people, tend to say one thing to one person and another to someone else,what do you call them Flacc?????????/I know what I call them...steve

 

[flacaltenn]

He said:

"There was no collusion at all. Everybody knows it."

"But the main thing — and we discussed this also — zero collusion."

"but just to say it one time again — and I say it all the time — there was no collusion."

Putin said: "Could you name a single fact that would definitely prove the collusion? This is utter nonsense, just like the president recently mentioned."

That's all true.

Trump said: "My people came to me, Dan Coates came to me and some others, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.

I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. "

He corrected this in 24 hours. Said he left out the "Not" in "it would NOT be".

if you believe that Flacc,there is no hope for America...You know well,some people, tend to say one thing to one person and another to someone else,what do you call them Flacc?????????/I know what I call them...steve

Good probability you're right. But we don't know. The statement didn't make sense in whole part without the "not". But we'll never know.

 

[easyt65]

A week in the life of Donald Trump:

WINNING!

A week in the life of snowflakes:

Lying, denying, justifying, accusing others of doing what they do and of being who they are, 'hate', intolerance, & 'butt-hurt'.

 

[theliq]

A week in the life of Donald Trump:

WINNING!

A week in the life of snowflakes:

Lying, denying, justifying, accusing others of doing what they do and of being who they are, 'hate', intolerance, & 'butt-hurt'.

Don't think so, Easy...It is very difficult to understand,let alone comprehend Trumps RHETORIC...…..just sayin...steve

 

[frigidweirdo]

A week in the life of Donald Trump:

WINNING!

A week in the life of snowflakes:

Lying, denying, justifying, accusing others of doing what they do and of being who they are, 'hate', intolerance, & 'butt-hurt'.

A week in the life of Trump supporters, the same old delusional nonsense.

 

[gipper]

A week in the life of Donald Trump:

WINNING!

A week in the life of snowflakes:

Lying, denying, justifying, accusing others of doing what they do and of being who they are, 'hate', intolerance, & 'butt-hurt'.

A week in the life of Trump supporters, the same old delusional nonsense.

The same was said of Obama supporters. Same shit. Different day.

 

[frigidweirdo]

A week in the life of Donald Trump:

WINNING!

A week in the life of snowflakes:

Lying, denying, justifying, accusing others of doing what they do and of being who they are, 'hate', intolerance, & 'butt-hurt'.

A week in the life of Trump supporters, the same old delusional nonsense.

The same was said of Obama supporters. Same shit. Different day.

Yes, it's partisan politics. Complete bullshit revolving around a corrupt bullshit system which is hardly democratic.

 

[gipper]

A week in the life of Donald Trump:

WINNING!

A week in the life of snowflakes:

Lying, denying, justifying, accusing others of doing what they do and of being who they are, 'hate', intolerance, & 'butt-hurt'.

A week in the life of Trump supporters, the same old delusional nonsense.

The same was said of Obama supporters. Same shit. Different day.

Yes, it's partisan politics. Complete bullshit revolving around a corrupt bullshit system which is hardly democratic.

IMHO Americans are divided as a result of purposeful efforts by the ruling class, MSM, and the two criminal gangs (Ds and Rs).

 

[frigidweirdo]

A week in the life of Donald Trump:

WINNING!

A week in the life of snowflakes:

Lying, denying, justifying, accusing others of doing what they do and of being who they are, 'hate', intolerance, & 'butt-hurt'.

A week in the life of Trump supporters, the same old delusional nonsense.

The same was said of Obama supporters. Same shit. Different day.

Yes, it's partisan politics. Complete bullshit revolving around a corrupt bullshit system which is hardly democratic.

IMHO Americans are divided as a result of purposeful efforts by the ruling class, MSM, and the two criminal gangs (Ds and Rs).

Yes, of course.

And the partisans laugh at the other side saying how stupid they are for being sheep, without realizing that this is exactly what they are.