frigidweirdo
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He said:
"There was no collusion at all. Everybody knows it."
"But the main thing — and we discussed this also — zero collusion."
"but just to say it one time again — and I say it all the time — there was no collusion."
Putin said: "Could you name a single fact that would definitely prove the collusion? This is utter nonsense, just like the president recently mentioned."
That's all true.
Trump said: "My people came to me, Dan Coates came to me and some others, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.
I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. "
He corrected this in 24 hours. Said he left out the "Not" in "it would NOT be".
He corrected it why?
Because he got criticized for it, and tried to find a way out of it.
The reality is, that everything he said pointed to him saying what he had wanted to say.
Then he changed because he was under fire. Then he changed again three days later because he was under fire.
Don't think you appreciate the situation. During the transition, all the intel he got on Russian collusion was phony ass shit from Brennan/Clapper/Comey. Clapper MARKETED the phony dossier and LEAKED to the press that the Prez had been briefed on it. He was totally surrounded by folks involved in SPYING and monkey-wrenching his campaign staff. There are STILL large festering sores about WHY his campaign was infiltrated by American Intel assets.
Given that GRUDGE -- I can understand his skepticism about the ORIGINS of all this. He DESERVES to be skeptical.
As for leaving out the "not" -- the sentence makes more sense in context with a "not" -- than without it.
Sure, there's truth and there's no truth. There's information which may or may not be accurate.
However Trump doesn't seem to be taking it seriously at all when it could be true.
As for it making more sense with the not, I don't agree.
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With that being said, all I can do is ask the question. My people came to me, Dan Coates came to me and some others, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.
I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. But I really do want to see the server.
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Dan Coates says it's Russia. Putin says it's not.
"I don't see any reason why it would be." = Nothing says it's Russia, I see no reason to blame Russia.
"I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be." = Nothing clears Russia of blame. It could very well be Russia.
If you look at what he said before, it suggests he doesn't believe Russia did anything.
"but it came out as a reason why the Democrats lost an election "
No, nothing happened, it's just an excuse for losing the election.
"here was no collusion. I didn’t know the president. There was nobody to collude with. There was no collusion with the campaign."
he says there was no collusion. Now, this part is difficult to read. Collusion is when two sides work together. So Trump isn't saying Russia didn't do anything. He's merely saying that both sides didn't work together. It also doesn't mean that Trump didn't know the Russians were doing something.
Trump has repeatedly cast doubt on Russian interference in US politics - until now
"President Donald Trump has repeatedly cast doubt on the US intelligence community's assessment that Moscow interfered in the 2016 presidential election in his favor, dismissing the investigation into whether or not his campaign colluded with Russia as "fake news," a "hoax" and a "witch hunt." "
He'll deny it, then he'll say he thinks it's true, and he'll deny again, and then say he thinks it's true.
It's hardly the first time he's come out and been massively contradictory, saying what he thinks he has to say to different audiences.
He's standing there with Putin and he doesn't want to say Russia had anything to do with it, and the whole time, he DIDN'T SAY THAT.
Then safely away from Putin he changes tact. Er.....
In all of this, I think we loose sight of what is important, and that is what the media wants us to do, which is this. . . .
It maybe Russia, it might not be.
Most of us know that it probably isn't.
None of that is really material though, b/c Russia has tried to interfere before, as have the British, the Saudi's, the Chinese, etc., this is nothing new. What they are SO INTENT, is for you to take your eyes and attention off of what was revealed, and that is the corruption that was revealed.
We must ask ourselves what is the more important issue, that the voters would know the truth about the candidates and process, or that the elites that were manipulating the process should feel they have the security to do so and have free reign to do so protected against foreign interference and influence, so that they may continue their corruption unimpeded?
I can only think that the peoples of other nations would want the help of our intelligence agencies in exposing the corruption of their governments and would be as grateful as our people were when the Wikileaks PROVED what many of us already knew about our corrupt politicians.
Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck who caused the leaks or hacks or what ever. The only important thing is that the public found out the truth.
If you are focused on Russia, or seriously think that corruption should be covered up because your guy/girl lost and believe they should be in power after everything we have seen . . . . you need your head examined.
See, here's the problem. "Most of us know that it probably isn't."
What do you "know"? You don't know anything much. Where could you possibly know all the stuff that's relevant.
No, what we have here is that you WANT TO BELIEVE something.
The thing here is that Russia interferes. If it interfered in the US, the US needs to know about it, needs to try and prevent it from happening again. The best interests of the US are that it does this.
Saying "ah, it's not true because it's inconvenient" is not doing what's in the best interests of the US.