Abolish the Grand Jury

[Contumacious]

Shocking Revelations from the Rosenberg Grand Jury Files
By Roger Roots

November 18, 2009


The grand jury is an ancient common law institution whose original purpose was to protect people from the prosecutorial power of the government. Under the Fifth Amendment, the Constitution's Framers intended that no criminal charges could ever be initiated by the government alone. A citizen panel of 23 people (more or less) was supposed to act as an obstacle to prosecutors and ensure that any prosecution be preapproved by common people. Yet today most commentators agree that the government can get any grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." Federal "indictment rates" greater than 99 percent have been reported in some years. In 2001, federal grand juries declined to indict in only 21 cases nationwide. "These numbers suggest that, whatever the reason, the federal grand jury now exercises very little power as a shield between the government and its citizens."

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So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



"Americans are stupid"

Jonathan Gruber

 

[Roadrunner]

Shocking Revelations from the Rosenberg Grand Jury Files
By Roger Roots

November 18, 2009


The grand jury is an ancient common law institution whose original purpose was to protect people from the prosecutorial power of the government. Under the Fifth Amendment, the Constitution's Framers intended that no criminal charges could ever be initiated by the government alone. A citizen panel of 23 people (more or less) was supposed to act as an obstacle to prosecutors and ensure that any prosecution be preapproved by common people. Yet today most commentators agree that the government can get any grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." Federal "indictment rates" greater than 99 percent have been reported in some years. In 2001, federal grand juries declined to indict in only 21 cases nationwide. "These numbers suggest that, whatever the reason, the federal grand jury now exercises very little power as a shield between the government and its citizens."

_______


So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



Americans are stupid

Jonathan Gruber

Gruber was talking about Dems in Congress you know.

Let's just get rid of courts, let CNN and MSNBC try all cases.

 

[blackhawk]

What would you replace it with?

 

[Contumacious]

Shocking Revelations from the Rosenberg Grand Jury Files
By Roger Roots

November 18, 2009


The grand jury is an ancient common law institution whose original purpose was to protect people from the prosecutorial power of the government. Under the Fifth Amendment, the Constitution's Framers intended that no criminal charges could ever be initiated by the government alone. A citizen panel of 23 people (more or less) was supposed to act as an obstacle to prosecutors and ensure that any prosecution be preapproved by common people. Yet today most commentators agree that the government can get any grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." Federal "indictment rates" greater than 99 percent have been reported in some years. In 2001, federal grand juries declined to indict in only 21 cases nationwide. "These numbers suggest that, whatever the reason, the federal grand jury now exercises very little power as a shield between the government and its citizens."

_______


So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



Americans are stupid

Jonathan Gruber

Gruber was talking about Dems in Congress you know.

Let's just get rid of courts, let CNN and MSNBC try all cases.

The purpose of a grand juror was to determine if freeman should stand trial because the facts AND the law were valid.

Grand Jurors nowadays are brainwashed zombies who believe that their duty is to please the prosecutor . 99.9 % of them never heard of the Constitution.


99.9%


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[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Shocking Revelations from the Rosenberg Grand Jury Files
By Roger Roots

November 18, 2009


The grand jury is an ancient common law institution whose original purpose was to protect people from the prosecutorial power of the government. Under the Fifth Amendment, the Constitution's Framers intended that no criminal charges could ever be initiated by the government alone. A citizen panel of 23 people (more or less) was supposed to act as an obstacle to prosecutors and ensure that any prosecution be preapproved by common people. Yet today most commentators agree that the government can get any grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." Federal "indictment rates" greater than 99 percent have been reported in some years. In 2001, federal grand juries declined to indict in only 21 cases nationwide. "These numbers suggest that, whatever the reason, the federal grand jury now exercises very little power as a shield between the government and its citizens."

_______


So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



Americans are stupid

Jonathan Gruber

Gruber was talking about Dems in Congress you know.

Let's just get rid of courts, let CNN and MSNBC try all cases.

The purpose of a grand juror was to determine if freeman should stand trial because the facts AND the law were valid.

Grand Jurors nowadays are brainwashed zombies who believe that their duty is to please the prosecutor . 99.9 % of them never heard of the Constitution.


99.9%


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And what would be your plan instead? Just let the DA decide? Cuz guess what fool, in the Wilson case, the DA wouldn't have brought charges either.

 

[Contumacious]

What would you replace it with?

That depends on what you want to accomplish.





"The Federal Rules strip grand jurors of their rightful control over the recordings of grand jury testimony, notes, and "any transcript prepared from those notes." Rule 6(e) places all grand jury transcripts in the hands of the U.S. Attorneys Office, giving an awesome power to the government never known under the common law."


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[Papageorgio]

Shocking Revelations from the Rosenberg Grand Jury Files
By Roger Roots

November 18, 2009


The grand jury is an ancient common law institution whose original purpose was to protect people from the prosecutorial power of the government. Under the Fifth Amendment, the Constitution's Framers intended that no criminal charges could ever be initiated by the government alone. A citizen panel of 23 people (more or less) was supposed to act as an obstacle to prosecutors and ensure that any prosecution be preapproved by common people. Yet today most commentators agree that the government can get any grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." Federal "indictment rates" greater than 99 percent have been reported in some years. In 2001, federal grand juries declined to indict in only 21 cases nationwide. "These numbers suggest that, whatever the reason, the federal grand jury now exercises very little power as a shield between the government and its citizens."

_______


So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



Americans are stupid

Jonathan Gruber

Gruber was talking about Dems in Congress you know.

Let's just get rid of courts, let CNN and MSNBC try all cases.

The purpose of a grand juror was to determine if freeman should stand trial because the facts AND the law were valid.

Grand Jurors nowadays are brainwashed zombies who believe that their duty is to please the prosecutor . 99.9 % of them never heard of the Constitution.


99.9%


.

Got that link?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

What would you replace it with?

That depends on what you want to accomplish.





"The Federal Rules strip grand jurors of their rightful control over the recordings of grand jury testimony, notes, and "any transcript prepared from those notes." Rule 6(e) places all grand jury transcripts in the hands of the U.S. Attorneys Office, giving an awesome power to the government never known under the common law."


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First, show where the GJ was ever given the "right" to control the release of any documents

Second, show how not being able to release such harms anyone.

 

[percysunshine]

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It is obvious that all Grand Juries should be replaced by polls on USMB. It is the only way by which justice will ever be served.

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[Contumacious]

Shocking Revelations from the Rosenberg Grand Jury Files
By Roger Roots

November 18, 2009


The grand jury is an ancient common law institution whose original purpose was to protect people from the prosecutorial power of the government. Under the Fifth Amendment, the Constitution's Framers intended that no criminal charges could ever be initiated by the government alone. A citizen panel of 23 people (more or less) was supposed to act as an obstacle to prosecutors and ensure that any prosecution be preapproved by common people. Yet today most commentators agree that the government can get any grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." Federal "indictment rates" greater than 99 percent have been reported in some years. In 2001, federal grand juries declined to indict in only 21 cases nationwide. "These numbers suggest that, whatever the reason, the federal grand jury now exercises very little power as a shield between the government and its citizens."

_______


So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



Americans are stupid

Jonathan Gruber

Gruber was talking about Dems in Congress you know.

Let's just get rid of courts, let CNN and MSNBC try all cases.

The purpose of a grand juror was to determine if freeman should stand trial because the facts AND the law were valid.

Grand Jurors nowadays are brainwashed zombies who believe that their duty is to please the prosecutor . 99.9 % of them never heard of the Constitution.


99.9%


.

And what would be your plan instead? Just let the DA decide? Cuz guess what fool, in the Wilson case, the DA wouldn't have brought charges either.

The Law in the US must be reformed. Laws must be OBJECTIVE.

There are now 2,400,000 Americans in prison. The "judicial" system is corrupt to its core.

.

 

[blackhawk]

What would you replace it with?

That depends on what you want to accomplish.





"The Federal Rules strip grand jurors of their rightful control over the recordings of grand jury testimony, notes, and "any transcript prepared from those notes." Rule 6(e) places all grand jury transcripts in the hands of the U.S. Attorneys Office, giving an awesome power to the government never known under the common law."


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I would want to make sure that there is sufficient evidence legally gathered to justify indicting someone and sending them on to a jury trial.

 

[BlackSand]

What would you replace it with?

That depends on what you want to accomplish.





"The Federal Rules strip grand jurors of their rightful control over the recordings of grand jury testimony, notes, and "any transcript prepared from those notes." Rule 6(e) places all grand jury transcripts in the hands of the U.S. Attorneys Office, giving an awesome power to the government never known under the common law."


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Eric Holder won't uphold the laws passed by Congress ... Why the hell would anyone give him any more power to circumvent the law and pander politics?

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[Contumacious]

What would you replace it with?

That depends on what you want to accomplish.





"The Federal Rules strip grand jurors of their rightful control over the recordings of grand jury testimony, notes, and "any transcript prepared from those notes." Rule 6(e) places all grand jury transcripts in the hands of the U.S. Attorneys Office, giving an awesome power to the government never known under the common law."


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First, show where the GJ was ever given the "right" to control the release of any documents

Second, show how not being able to release such harms anyone.

By the time of the Rosenberg case, the grand jury process had been transformed into a rubber stamp for the government. Federal prosecutors now dispense all evidence, witnesses and testimony to grand jurors, who then retire to a deliberation room to vote on whether to issue indictments. Because the grand jurors are only given the government's version of events and are generally unable to investigate matters on their own (like grand juries did from the Founding period through the end of the nineteenth century), they almost always vote according to the Justice Department's wishes. In rare instances when grand juries refuse to indict, federal prosecutors simply present their same claims to a second (or third, fourth or fifth) grand jury until an indictment is issued. In such cases, prosecutors have been known to lie to the later grand juries by falsely telling them that the first grand jury wanted to indict but ran out of time, etc. There is never any punishment meted out for such lies.

 

[Papageorgio]

What would you replace it with?

That depends on what you want to accomplish.

"The Federal Rules strip grand jurors of their rightful control over the recordings of grand jury testimony, notes, and "any transcript prepared from those notes." Rule 6(e) places all grand jury transcripts in the hands of the U.S. Attorneys Office, giving an awesome power to the government never known under the common law."


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Im not wanting to grant federal government any more power, I want local government, the federal plays politics.

 

[2aguy]

So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



"Americans are stupid"

Jonathan Gruber

People who are against the Grand Jury want to know who the witnesses are....a grand jury allows testimony where witnesses don't have to be afraid of attacks from the community...like in Ferguson where 7 black witnesses said Brown rushed the officer...can you imagine if they had to testify in open court....considering the looting and the damage done.....

True, if they had passed an indictment they would end up testifying....but at least they can look at the truth without immediate fear of the gang members in their neighborhoods....

 

[Contumacious]

What would you replace it with?

That depends on what you want to accomplish.





"The Federal Rules strip grand jurors of their rightful control over the recordings of grand jury testimony, notes, and "any transcript prepared from those notes." Rule 6(e) places all grand jury transcripts in the hands of the U.S. Attorneys Office, giving an awesome power to the government never known under the common law."


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I would want to make sure that there is sufficient evidence legally gathered to justify indicting someone and sending them on to a jury trial.

If true you are the exception.

Most Grand Jurors don't give a shit and want to rush home to watch TV.

Most Grand Jurors are government employees and or parasites dependent of government benefits. They are not going to question anything.


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[Contumacious]

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It is obvious that all Grand Juries should be replaced by polls on USMB. It is the only way by which justice will ever be served.

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What 's the fucking difference?


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[BlackSand]

If true you are the exemption.

Most Grand Jurors don't give a shit and want to rush home to watch TV.

Most Grand Jurors are government employees and or parasites dependent of government benefits. They are not going to question anything.


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Invalid assumption based in your bigotry!

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[The2ndAmendment]

No. Abolish the Scientific Jury Selection System, that lets the Government cherry pick jurors that will act in the interest of the government (indict innocents citizens and not-indict guilty government agents).

 

[Contumacious]

So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



"Americans are stupid"

Jonathan Gruber

People who are against the Grand Jury want to know who the witnesses are....a grand jury allows testimony where witnesses don't have to be afraid of attacks from the community...like in Ferguson where 7 black witnesses said Brown rushed the officer...can you imagine if they had to testify in open court....considering the looting and the damage done.....

True, if they had passed an indictment they would end up testifying....but at least they can look at the truth without immediate fear of the gang members in their neighborhoods....

"The gist of that secrecy was people would be afraid to appear and rat out others the government wanted to indict if they were not protected. That was the same reasoning behind the Venetian Mouth of Truth and the other side is that fake evidence enters because there is no check and balance against witnesses who can then say anything to sway the Grand Jury to whatever direction the government desires. Very, very bad decision. There is no accountability whatsoever."